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[Anonymous No.13913859]

>read Plato, Plotinus and the Platonic school in general
>become a mystical pagan fascist
Anyone else know this feel?

[Anonymous No.13913862]

>>13913859
You're doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.13913874]

>>13913862
Uhm, how exactly, sweaty?

[Anonymous No.13913891]

>>13913862
this. if you really understood them you'd be a catholic >>13913874 but you're too dumb

[Anonymous No.13913910]

>>13913862
this guy gets it
It should be
>read Plato, Plotinus and the Platonic school in general
>end up reading St Augustine
>become a mystical catholic ur-fascist, next doctor of the church and also master of the neoplatonic revival
>>13913859

[Anonymous No.13913920]

>>13913891
>>13913910
Cringe. The monad is above being, christlets just can't get that their Jewish daemon is incomparable to the One of Plato.

[Anonymous No.13913921]

No, because I'm not a retard fresh off the boat from /pol/

[Anonymous No.13914222]

>>13913920
This is correct. Christianity is essentially the death of religion, and it creates a God in its image. Precisely the opposite of how it is supposed to work, and the antithesis of the One.
Christians won't be able to explain this either, just claim that a philosophical tradition is on their side, even when they bastardized it and turned it into cheap moralism.

[Anonymous No.13914247]

>>13913920
>>13914222
plato was christian. shut up pussies

[Anonymous No.13914252]

>reads the republic once

[Anonymous No.13914260]

>>13914247
Cringe desert religion lost to time.
Enjoy waiting for the Rapture though.

[Anonymous No.13914330]

>>13913859
Speak to me in thoughts

[Anonymous No.13914443]

>>13913859
>Reads the same
>Becomes ordinary Catholic without mystic pretension, satisfied to enjoy the press of the Lord in communion, an experience mystic enough for mr
>Gonna get married soon and have at least 4 kids

[Anonymous No.13914480]

>>13914443
Congrats man, I'll be praying for you and your future family

[Anonymous No.13914596]

>>13913859
Plotinus is patrician as fuck OP. Here's looking at you soul child!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13914607]

>>13913859
>read Plato, Plotinus and the Platonic school in general
>become a mystical pagan fascist
>Anyone else know this feel?

[Anonymous No.13914613]

>>13913859
You should read Paglia she wrote the book on 'mystical pagan fascism'

[Anonymous No.13914629]

Modern Judaism is based on Plato.

[Anonymous No.13914632]

>>13913859
>pagan is moral

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13914642]

>>13914632
>Posts a comedy novel
Nothing particularly pagan about it, anon.

[Anonymous No.13914831]

>>13914642
>comedy novel
satirical*

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13914858]

>>13914831
Thank you

[Anonymous No.13914964]

>>13914858
your welcome

[Anonymous No.13915340]

>>13913859
based.

i started reading plato, mostly for the mathematical platonism, back in university when i was studying math.

[Anonymous No.13915347]

>>13913859
Sauce on image?

[Anonymous No.13915352]

>>13913910
Now You're doing it right!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13915417]

>>13915347
Fedor Bronnikov’s Consecration of Hermes

[Anonymous No.13915419]

haha yes!

[Anonymous No.13915911]

>>13913910
>>13913891
>>13914247
>>13915352
>embrace the semitism that persecuted philosophers, shut down philosophy schools (particularly Platonists, e.g Justinian closing down Athens' own Platonic academy and forcing Platonists to escape to Sassanid Ctesiphon) and purged the ancient world of anything that opposed a tyrannical Jewish tribal god that murdered gentile Egyptian children, revealed an eschatological End of sadistic mass slaughter and inspired millennias-worth of similar neuroses unseen on the Earth before Abrahamism came along
>accept Plotinus Lite from spiritual heebs who claimed Plato stole errythang from Moses

nah, I'm thinking Julian was based. YHWH is definitely not the Good
>“For if the anger of even one hero or unimportant demon is hard to bear for whole countries and cities, who could have endured the wrath of so mighty a God, whether it were directed against demons or angels or mankind? It is worth while to compare his behavior with the mildness of Lycurgus and the forbearance of Solon, or the kindness and benevolence of the Romans towards transgressors. But observe also from what follows how far superior are our teachings to theirs. The philosophers bid us imitate the gods so far as we can, and they teach us that this imitation consists in the contemplation of realities. And that this sort of study is remote from passion and is indeed based on freedom from passion, is, I suppose, evident, even without my saying it. In proportion then as we, having been assigned to the contemplation of realities, attain to freedom from passion, in so far do we become like God. But what sort of imitation of God is praised among the Hebrews? Anger and wrath and fierce jealousy. For God says: “Phinehas hath turned away my wrath from the children of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them.” For God, on finding one who shared his resentment and his grief, thereupon, as it appears, laid aside his resentment. These words and others like them about God Moses is frequently made to utter in the Scripture.”

[Anonymous No.13915920]

>>13915911
Based

[Anonymous No.13915922]

>>13914632
literally the basis of the word "satire" thanks for proving how retarded christcucks are

[Anonymous No.13916008]

>>13913910
>next doctor of the church
Will it happen bros?

[Anonymous No.13916024]

>>13915911
Absolutely BASED

[Anonymous No.13916100]

>>13916008
Not next, since some great saints are in the process of becoming one :^) but future? Let's all try and pray, all for our Church, brothers. Deus vult.

[Anonymous No.13916112]

>>13913859
this but with Traditionalism and Vedanta

[Anonymous No.13916186]

>>13914443
So you misunderstood Plato what's your point?

[Anonymous No.13916189]

>>13914613
Nice cope desert larper but christcucks are the worst pedos in history

[Anonymous No.13916191]

>>13913859
Just skip to nihilism. That's the ultimate truth.
>inb4 the real philosophy was the friends we made along the way

[Anonymous No.13916192]

>>13914629
That's not moder retard
And plenty societies say they are following Plato. They all went in a completely opposite diresction

[Anonymous No.13916201]

>>13914632
>paganism isn't moralfag tyranny
Wow you learned something

[Anonymous No.13916213]

>>13915911
> tyrannical Jewish tribal god that murdered gentile Egyptian children, revealed an eschatological End of sadistic mass slaughter and inspired millennias-worth of similar neuroses
Wow I didn't know the jewish God was so based.

[Anonymous No.13916227]

>>13915911
> the kindness and benevolence of the Romans towards transgressors
In case of rebellion in a city the Romans would slaughter everyone, including women and children. Entire populations were wiped out that way. Julius Caesar was considered merciful because he once left a small town off the hook and merely cut the right hand of every single man.

Julian is just playing that age-old game where you downplay the brutality of your own heroic figures while exaggerating that of your enemies. It's pretty much rhetoric 101 and everyone who was ever in position to use that trick did use it. That you would so unquestionably quote those words betray a appalling lack of critical thinking. I hope you're not planning to become an historian any time soon.

That's a pretty general problem on /lit/, astonishing gullibility towards ancient sources. Anons on /lit/ have no problem shitting on a scientific theory with hundred of thousands of pieces of empirical evidence behind it as long as it is modern enough, but let them get hold of a single 17th century book about how the Pythagoreans drank their own sperm to gain magical power and they'll start hoarding their semen five gallon jugs for later consumption.

[Anonymous No.13916234]

>>13916227
Well yeah, everyone back then was telling the truth, it was only when the Jews started gaining a control of mass media in the early 20th century that that started to change.

[Anonymous No.13916240]

>>13916234
Of course, it's well known that lying was invented by Jews and Freemasons in 1897 (first lie in history was patented on 7, June 1987 precisely). That why the Ancients had the liar paradox, it was a paradox for them that someone would lie because they were themselves complete strangers to lying.

[Anonymous No.13916303]

>>13916227
>implying
This isn't a problem with /lit/, it's a problem with humans. Some ancient Kike says
>lmfao jus B urself :^)
and it's deep wisdom because it's in the Torah. People have been doing it as long as there have been people. The Greeks themselves would attribute literally everything to the Egyptians because
>OLD GOOD NEW BAD

[Anonymous No.13917200]

Christshits ruin everything.

[eLIT !!+yp8kR80iN5 No.13917366]

>>13915417
>Fedor Bronnikov’s Consecration of Hermes
that's what I was looking for.

[Anonymous No.13917375]

>>13913859
>read seneca
>become a millionare playboy

LMAO at you losers with your intellectual copes.

[Anonymous No.13917562]

>>13913859
>Plotinus

[Anonymous No.13917926]

>>13917562
/ourguy/

[Anonymous No.13918174]

>>13917562
did you think this was an own? plotinus is not only one of the blessed, ascended with the other holies like Plato, but he is also mommypilled beyond belief

[Anonymous No.13918289]

>>13913920
This. Christian "metaphysics" is essentially just 2000 years of European cope over the fact that they converted to a low-tier underdeveloped desert religion that is in reality incapable of being integrated into any semblance of deep metaphysic understanding.

So now you have thomist niggas out here talking about how the God of the bible is pUrE aCT of acTuALiTy while also pretending they believe this pUrE aCT of acTuALiTy chose a specific people for himself and to be the God of this tribe alone(for a few thousand years), burned cities because muh wrath, sent prophets so he later could fulfill their prophesies, sacrificed his son and listens to prayers. Although it is pretty funny watching these people trying to square monism and divine simplicity with a God that if anything barely even reaches the level of demiurge.

[Anonymous No.13918367]

>metaphysics

[Anonymous No.13919111]

>read the platonists
>become a literal magician

[Anonymous No.13919284]

>>13919111
>Read Hermeticism
>Become the master of the 3 worlds

[Anonymous No.13919664]

>>13916227
>slaughtering cities in order to humiliate the conquered foe and as a warning to others
based
>slaughtering everything that is wholesome and good in the world because of Deuteronomy 12:3
cringe

[Anonymous No.13920431]

>>13913859
Books on Neoplatonist Imperium? How do we bring about the Neoplatonist Imperium Empire anons? What would it look like?

[Anonymous No.13920516]

>>13913921
Thank you for taking the time to correct the record, stalwart.

[Anonymous No.13922604]

>>13913859
Absolutely BASED

[Anonymous No.13922613]

>>13920431
Pagan Imperialism, Julius Evola

[Anonymous No.13922722]

>>13918289
Christianity is not merely the death of God, nor an unfolding recreation within His corpse, it is an exhumation; a harvesting of His organs as talents for Asclepius in the eleventh-hour of the war of Man against the gods; a scorched-earth legalism of necrophilia with the cadaver's limbs; an appeasement to some unnameable force. Ineffable execration of everything beautiful, every eternal law—to which it then reformed in stone, the graveyard of natural law.

This is why the Church exists eternally in retreat, within the petrified justice of its founding, forever reliant upon tentative alliances with its enemies. Natural law undone through apostasy, Christianity is the defilement of creation, disgorgement of Christ's exit wound, the world-weariness of the resurrected, the Holy Ghost of spatter pattering on the sarcophagus.

The Christian Saint befouls every sanctuary, entombing humanity and the law of gods into a deepening pit. Pan is declared dead only so that Aphrodite is forced to reveal herself in judgement. And here the Crucifix becomes the mark of the World Wound, every sanctum crossed out, so that humanity will either submit or have to contend with the monstrous gods released from Orcus. The sarcophagus expands its walls as Christianity attempts to condemn Aphrodite to the plight of Io.

God reveals nothing but His treachery, He is not content with meager resignation of the warring gods, the fallen angels, capitulation and eternal exile are akin to a pardon for him. No, he wants his enemies to rise as dark spirits, chthonic forces feeding on all that remains in opposition to Him. He desires neither the death of the gods nor consumption of their power, He wants to maim and mutilate them—force them to hobble along in his shadow, eternally in His image. Branded as a warning against all who may oppose Him in the future.

There can be no other interpretation of Christianity, its apotheosis erupts from the forges of Hephaestus, the lame one. A world of abyssal law enchained to iron-forged gods, and falling to the forces it fails to nullify—the Christian God attempted to sunder and disgorge the heavens, the material devastation nothing compared to the lost understanding of eternal justice, of dominion. A realm of the Fall and political disgorgement.

If there is a theological meaning to the Book, it has, until now, escaped revelation.

[Anonymous No.13922739]

>>13913859
>read Plato, Plotinus and the Platonic school in general
>become an anticlerical christologian

[Anonymous No.13922748]

>>13922722
This is such piss poor writing

[Anonymous No.13922749]

>>13922613
mah nigga

[Anonymous No.13922753]

>>13922748
kek nice cope christcuck

[Anonymous No.13922761]

>>13922748
Pot, kettle.

[Anonymous No.13922847]

>>13922722
Who wrote this?

[Anonymous No.13923209]

>>13922847
Don't know, was in a pagan and christian shitslinging thread

[Anonymous No.13923333]

>>13917375
What the actual fuck?

[Anonymous No.13923806]

>>13923333
Wasted

[Anonymous No.13923888]

>>13914260
Catholics (and Orthodox and most Protestants) don't believe in the Rapture...

[Anonymous No.13923913]

>>13913859
Read saint Denys the areopagite (converted Athens by saint Paul in the act of the apostles )
>Act 17, 22-23 "Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you...."
He is providentially linked (that's what all the Christian tradition says) to the written of the same name. The latter being a disciple of Proclus and, through saint Gregory of Nyssa, a disciple of the alexandrian patristic school of though. He is a very famous (with this alexandrian school of thought) of the wedding a Greek philosophy and especially platonism and Christian metaphysics and way of the Ultimate knowledge. Read his "treaty of mystic theology" to try it out, it's really short.
Also he thought the angelology of all Christian mysticism by using the same hierarchy as Proclus used with the pagans gods...
After that you will see the truth (of the fact of escaping this world) have been endorsed by Christianity. While platonism is now a dead tradition. But this capacity to flee the world is only alive in orthodoxy, namely in hesychasm, the goal being the theosis (deification).

[Anonymous No.13923919]

>>13923913
What about the Cloud of Unknowing and Meister Eckhart?

[Anonymous No.13923964]

>>13913920
>The monad is above being
And ? Look the Christian Trinity :
>The Father is the affirmation
>The Son is the Being affirmed
>The Holy Spirit is the Being in this world (the world is said to be bearing the pneuma (spirit)).
The Ousia is even above the Trinity. And Saint Clement of Alexandria says the Father is the well to the obscurity of the Divine essence. Read also about apophatism.
Anyway Christian mysticism is still alive in Mount Athos (while neoplatonism isn't). And fortunately for Plato, they still think they are the continuity of antique Greece. For example some monks makes icons of Plato and Socrates as saints.

[Anonymous No.13924048]

>>13923919
Meister Eckhart is based. Orthodox love the rhenans mystics. But it was the last spiritual bastion before rationalism and generally anti-hesychast/anti-traditional Christian mystic tendencies took over all the latin world thank to the Vatican.
Also it's because a German king married a Byzantine princesse who came with her followers of theologians and all, that's why the style of the rhenans is Byzantine.
Also let's not forget Meister Eckhart died mysteriously after getting called to Avignon by the pope for a trial about his supposed heresies.
For the cloud of unknowing I will say the same, it can be the last remnants of true Christian mysticism (though I don't know this work). But does it exists in papism now that the pope have the power he wanted ? I don't think so.
While there is so much orthodox saints thanks to hesychasm...

[Anonymous No.13924073]

>>13924048
*Rhineland mystics. My bad I tried to improvise the English translation.

[Anonymous No.13924095]

>>13922739
Why ?
>>13913859
In terms of metaphysics, what do people have against Christianity ?
If not this, what in terms of philosophy. I woul to heard a clear simple argument from one of all the anti-christian posters here, and not a rant.

[Anonymous No.13924641]

>>13923888
So what do they believe will fix evil?

[Anonymous No.13924655]

>>13924641
The Second Coming, which is distinct from the Rapture. The Rapture will supposedly precede the Second Coming by a thousand years. It's an American Evangelist thing.

[Anonymous No.13925619]

>>13924655
So it's the same thing.

[Anonymous No.13925649]

>>13915911
based

[Anonymous No.13925963]

>>13922722
The Israelites were originally an unremarkable Semitic tribe existing alongside many others of a similar ilk all with their own basic tribal cults; Herodotus makes no mention of them despite having had traveled through the area.

When Babylon conquered Palestine and deported all the Israelites to slavery back in Mesopotamia, the cultural memory of the Israelites was wiped clean. Soon the Aryan Persians conquered Babylon and the magnanimous Cyrus freed the Israelites and sent them back home, remaking the shattered remnants of their primitive tribal beliefs into a system resembling Zoroastrianism, for which he was praised as a messiah in the Jewish holy scriptures.

The pain and ignominy of enslavement during the Babylonian captivity was too much for the Israelites to bear though. Even though Zoroastrianism preached a dualism involving a universal beneficent Father culminating in the esoteric non-dualism of Zurvan, the Israelites twisted what they had so graciously been taught and retconned Ahura Mazda as the sole true God of Yahweh with the Israelites as his "chosen people", in their vindictiveness they turned to narcissistic self-worship as a form of catharsis. All the ancients were astounded at their hostility and ill-character, Plutarch wrote about how the Egyptians believed that the Israelites worshipped the bringer of discord, Set.

[Anonymous No.13925965]

>>13925963
The Dharma characterizing the lower, conditioned aspect of the monadic Supreme Being caused the incarnation of Jesus Christ to bring righteousness and truth to the region and its peoples. Christianity was originally an esoteric initiatic ascetic order open to all those with the courage to abandon everything to join Jesus in the Kingdom of Heaven here and now in this life. When a man asked to join Jesus on the road, Jesus warned him of what it entailed, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head" - (Luke 9:58). The Gospel of Thomas and its 'Q source' are both real, they are the words of Christ.

The Israelites harbored a special hatred for Jesus because in his preaching of the true, universal father and his openness to everyone Jesus was confronting the Israelites with the wickedness of their own perversion of the eternal truth. Shankaracharya and Jesus were both too good for this world, which was why they were destined to die before the full span of their lives were over. The partial subversion of Christianity into the dogmatic limited-hangout of Paulism sowed the seeds of the West's eventual downfall into nihilism, hedonism and apathy after a long holdout against them during the middle ages. Christianity still offers a valid path through Theosis, but to get there and be ready for it westerners have to battle the multi-headed hydra of modern society and the values that it inculcates.

[Anonymous No.13925973]

>>13925965
The conditioned aspect of the Supreme Being eventually descended again as Gabriel to disseminate to the Prophet the last revealed religion of this stage of human existence, Islam. Its absolute and all-encompassing nature which totally penetrates into every aspect of Islamic societies being appropriate to its role as an Ark against the flood of modernity. The conflicts between Islam and other religions being an unfortunate but ultimately irrelevant side effect of its coexistence alongside them; the revealed religions being equivalent to God tossing pebbles in a pond, when the ripples caused by each splash meet each other there is conflict as well as opportunity for learning.

As the great Ibn Arabi correctly notes, Islam is the continuation of the previous revealed religions and does not invalidate them, compare 40 Hadith Qudsi 25 narrated by Abu Hurayrah and Brihadaranyaka 3.8.11. Non-conditional multiplicity is Shirk. Islam is an ally of the West in their struggle against the usurers and in the search for spiritual meaning. Islamic societies will always offer a second chance for westerners fed up with their culture who want to shed their identity and seek something new, but the eventual destiny of the West writ large is to rejuvenate western spirituality in an organic way and not to adopt something foreign.

[Anonymous No.13925976]

>>13925973
The Russian Empire was the last chance for humankind to be guided into the modernity by a Traditional continent-spanning empire but the agents of darkness prevailed over it. The 20th and 21st centuries are the legacy of the collapse of monarchies and the spread of secularism, materialism, scientism, nihilism and so many other poisons. Post-scholastic philosophy stems from the need to fill the gaping hole in the heart of western society left by the absence of the transcendental Ātma-jñāna originally revealed to mankind at polar Mount Meru and again later by subsequent prophets. East Asia fared moderately better, the Buddhism it fell under the sway of was originally a crypto-egalitarian and proto-materialist subversive psyop, although later Buddhists who were initiated by Hindus and Taoists were able to salvage some of it.

Heidegger and Debord exemplify man waking up to the emptiness of modernity and realizing something has been stolen from him, but without knowing exactly what it is. Marx also understood there was a problem but didn't realize the correct solution, a consequence of his alienation from the primordial Tradition like so many others. Evola was torn by the inner contradictions of having a heartfelt yearning to understand the primordial Aryan knowledge but at the same time being afraid of the total liberation from all name and form that this knowledge entailed; he couldn't accept that in the end multiplicity wasn't real, desiring to still retain in transcendence some form of permanent superiority or lasting individual achievement like a kid who can't put down a videogame.

[Anonymous No.13925980]

>>13925976
There is a global struggle and metaphysical battle occurring between truth, harmony and justice and the opposing forces of darkness, ignorance and usury. The key Elite of NATO countries are mostly controlled by the Cabal through forced participation in pedophiliac human sacrifice ceremonies and the ensuing blackmail this allows, their antagonism towards China and Russian is motivated by their fear of Eurasia eventually becoming a global refuge from the usurers. There is an ongoing race to privatize everything so that from the moment you are born you are incurring massive debt simply for existing, this is how they mow the grass of the masses.

You can do your part to prevent them winning by living virtuously, and by raising a family and instilling in the next generation Traditional values. Don't let materialistic and shallow obsessions become obstacles in the spiritual path. Allowing your time to be occupied by electronic entertainment makes you a metaphysical cuckold and a victim of psychic vampirism. When one conducts themselves in an exceedingly depraved way they are given one last chance in the form of rebirth as a black person before they lose human status and are reborn as animals. Time isn't real, only Now exists. If the forces of evil win humankind will be enslaved by machines and forced into manual labor to finance the hedonistic lifestyles of the usurers. Even this will come to pass though and the just and unjust alike will reconstituted into the primordial essence, those without Knowledge being eventually spat out again in the form of intelligent life. Humankind is just a flash in the pan of the abiding tranquility of the Supreme Being, the eternity of phenomenal existence just froth on the surface of the shoreless ocean of the immutable Divine. Wake up.

[Anonymous No.13926003]

>>13919111
pretty much

[Anonymous No.13926005]

>>13913874

Is that John Tyndall?

[Anonymous No.13926283]

>>13915911
2000 years of Christianity blown out in one fucking post. That must hurt like hell.

[Anonymous No.13926705]

>>13915911
Great post. I have absolutely nothing against Jewish people, but I'll never shy away from saying that their religions have been the ruin of our species. Nobody can say what Western Civilization may have become had the Roman infrastructure and Greek philosophy not continued to flourish, and allowed to reach their zenith.

You'd think that modern humans might be a bit more sensible than earlier ones on this matter, able to easily denounce much of the Old Testament as a vile document, trying to reform their culture away from the barbaric Semitic dimensions. But nope. The OT's popularity is alive and thriving. And our species, consequently, can only be otherwise.