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[Anonymous No.13896202]

What are the origins of le cultural Marxism conspiracy?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13896210]

>>13896202
Liberals layering on bad press, as usual

[Anonymous No.13896211]

>>13896202
The Frankfurt School.

[Anonymous No.13896219]

>>13896202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fsbQP4lYUE

[Anonymous No.13896238]

Lenin tried to destroy the nuclear family too, it wasn't until Stalin came along that conservatism was re-established.

[Anonymous No.13896255]

>>13896202
Nazis, "Judeo-Bolshevism."

[Anonymous No.13896259]

>>13896210
You're basically girlyposting at this point :3

[Anonymous No.13896260]

>>13896238
so does that mean the Steve Jobs is a communist?

[Anonymous No.13896271]

>>13896260
I don't know, was Steve Jobs against the nuclear family?

[Anonymous No.13896286]

>>13896271
well, yea, effectively...

[Anonymous No.13896290]

>>13896202
Like many other "theories" of the right-wing, it comes directly from American Intelligence Agencies and American government propaganda/indoctrination.
They carefully manipulated the public perception about Marxism and associated analyses by paying some goofs to pretend to be retards.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13896301]

>>13896259
I got girly fingers.
You want me to use them to shove your keyboard up your ass, don’t you?

[Anonymous No.13896312]

>>13896301
You HAVE got girly fingers. You have girly fingers.

Never thought I'd give a grammatical lecture to someone who wants to shove things up my ass :3

[Anonymous No.13896320]

>>13896238
I don´t think Russia had many nuclear families back then. If anything socialism was creating them as it drove peasants to industry.

[Anonymous No.13896327]

>>13896301
your fingers are only slightly feminine because you've never done anything in your life but shitpost you tranny freak

[Anonymous No.13896329]

>>13896290
lol marxshits really are this retarded.

[Anonymous No.13896337]

>>13896329
try making an argument next time you post

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13896348]

>>13896327
I have a damn job, you furfag neet. Not jar of farts for you, freak.

[Anonymous No.13896349]

>>13896327
These posts aren't even making sense anymore :3

[Anonymous No.13896354]

>>13896337
>try making an argument next time you post

[Anonymous No.13896355]

>>13896349
>>13896348
aww

[Anonymous No.13896357]

>>13896337
calling something a CIA conspiracy is hardly an argument in the first place

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13896363]

>>13896329
>Believes in “cultural Marxism”
>Actually trusts the CIA
Dumb liberal

[Anonymous No.13896366]

>>13896348
Lmao, the tranny freak acting as if having a job is remarkable. Everyone works.

[Anonymous No.13896368]

>>13896337
As opposed to your """argument?""" lol
>HERE'S MY RETARDED THEORY TO COUNTER YOUR RETARDED THEORY

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13896375]

>>13896348
>Not
*no, is what I wrote

>>13896366
Just meant I do more than type to you furfags and pedophiles

[Anonymous No.13896376]

>>13896368
You should have sex and take a bubble bath. Right wing incels need to calm down.

[Anonymous No.13896392]

>>13896375
What do you do for a living, my love?

[Anonymous No.13896394]

>>13896375
>Just meant I do more than type to you furfags and pedophiles
I find that hard to believe, every day I have off you're shitposting on /lit/ or /tv/, I wonder if you even talk to anyone in real life, tranny freak.

[Anonymous No.13896413]

>>13896202
Marxist behaviour. After getting blown the fuck out by reality several time they attempted the slow march through the institutions.

[Anonymous No.13896423]

>>13896202
The turn of certain post Marxist thinker from the structure to the super structure as a result of certain on the ground failure vis-a-vis fascism and national socialism as well as Marx's class based prediction.

Quote and clip related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpn_WvkR-0E

[Anonymous No.13896465]

>>13896413
There is no leftist conspiracy to infiltrate institutions.
Its just a reality that 1% of the country own a grossly disproportionate amount of the countries wealth.
Atleast in the US that is.
There is no easy solution but this leads some people to say, fuck it, we're too far gone lets just get rid of it all. Which is kind of cope.
But yeah reality has a leftist bias.

[Anonymous No.13896747]

>>13896413
fact: Marxists merely represent bourgeois values at their most decadent. It is time for a working class revolution... against the marxists

[Anonymous No.13896776]

>>13896202
It's a shitty term for critical theory, which was inspired by Marxism in the sense that it switched the oppressor vs oppressed dialectic from bourgeoisie vs proletariat to majority vs minority group indentities (race, gender, etc).

It comes from the Frankfurt school (mostly jewish) which is why a lot of /pol/-types criticize it. It really is a shitty philosophy but the whole "jewish conspiracy" is absolutely retarded. "Cultural Marxism" generates more emotions than "critical theory" which is why the term caught on.

[Anonymous No.13896932]

>>13896465
Yes there is. The Slow March was named BY MARXISTS. The intellectual vanguard is a stupid plan, but so is Marxism in general.

[Anonymous No.13897064]

>>13896423
Adorno&co.'s focus on culture was a critical analysis of culture as it exist(ed) in capitalist society. It's a far cry from the notion that they went all "we need a strategy of entryism in universities" conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.13897107]

>>13896776
That's not what critical theory in the original sense (Frankfurt) means. They never switched any dialectic, didn't abandon the materialist analysis, didn't posit that society should be understood along the lines of "race, gender, etc". None of this holds for the people in question - Adorno, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Marcuse, etc. even people like Fanon, who focused on race, didn't have this sort of crass analysis. You're confusing them with the later wave of "leftist" academics who started regurgitating recuperated zeitgeist talking points at the rise of neoliberalism, a period in history where marxism was almost annihilated in terms of influence.

[Anonymous No.13897118]

o9a swapping bolshevism with marxism and selling it to retards on 4chan

[Anonymous No.13897136]

>>13896776
>the whole "jewish conspiracy" is absolutely retarded

[Anonymous No.13897156]

>jews invented banking and subterfuge

[Anonymous No.13897160]

>>13897064
I don't think that cultural marxism is merely defined as being an entryist strategy for institutional takeover. To me merely identifying the existence of proeminent Marxist influenced intellectual signaling their turn toward an anlysis of culture and society, toward the "superstructure" as opposed to the "structure", is sufficient to demonstrate the existence of something that could be called "Cultural Marxism".

There's nothing objectionable about the term.

[Anonymous No.13897162]

Remember that Adorno literally DIED by titty flash when his buddy Marcuse unleashed his free-love hippie friends against his best friend

[Anonymous No.13897174]

>>13897160
Only if you are willfully disavowing what the actual usage of the term is. Everywhere it's seriously used, from Nazis ("cultural bolshevism") to Peterson, it means more or less the same thing: "we" the good society are being infiltrated by subversives who with their subterfuge are attempting (and succeeding) our values.

[Anonymous No.13897175]

>>13897162
Cumbrains ruin everything.

[Anonymous No.13897183]

>>13897174
*to destroy our values

[Anonymous No.13897245]

>>13897174
I'm not gonna contest that those who use the term usually use it pejoratively, and that more over usually do so by alluding to a shadowy group of people allegedly using cultural marxism in order to destroy our precious in-group, Turning Point USA values. But it would be incorrect to reduce the meaning of "Cultural Marxism" to the designation of a group of people.

For one thing, is not the group of people designated by "Cultural Marxism" precisely so designated because they either practice of believe in something called Cultural Marxism, which would then designate not a group but a doctrine, a method or an approach? There are "Cultural Marxists" and then there is "Cultural Marxism", i.e. the study of culture and society from a Marxist or Post Marxist point of view. Perhaps it is the sociology of knowledge, perhaps it is Zijeck anlysing pop culture artifact such as big block busters, or perhaps it is an analysis of the ideological super structure perventing the revolutionary agent from attaining class consciousness. All of these things, to my mind, would fall under the rubric of something which we can reasonably call Cultural Marxism, and which those who use that term would also recognize as being Cultural Marxism.

If there's a criticism to be made against the people who usually use that term, it's that they apply it too broadly, not that they wrongly use it against Adorno.

[Anonymous No.13897263]

>>13897245
>is not the group of people designated by "Cultural Marxism" precisely so designated because they either practice of believe in something called Cultural Marxism
No. That was what I was trying to point out. Criticising culture from the standpoint of marxism has nothing to do with what people usually imply by cultural marxism, which is precisely shifting the standpoint of marxism to one about the supremacy of culture (be it in the form of "alienating language", "performances", "rituals" or any of the sort).

You keep just taking the term as if it existed on its own, and trying to come up with an explanation for it. But that's backwards: the term is nothing more than the expression of an ideological injunction, and as such cannot be evaluated at face value.

[Anonymous No.13897330]

>>13897263
If we're simply gonna use the expression "Cultural Marxism" to designate "what a particular group of people mean when using the term", then to be sure they may mean something that is ridiculous and easy to dismiss, and in this sense you are correct.

If we mean to use "Cultural Marxism" as designating an approach of method to the analysis of culture and society that claims to be primarily informed by some form of Marxism, then it seems that Cultural Marxism does exist and moreover isn't objectionable as a term.

But of course I disagree with you that the people who use the term MERELY use it as an ideological injunction without any substance behind it. For one thing, there's a clear ideological marker in the expression. It's not called "Cultural Lockeanism".

[Anonymous No.13897370]

>>13896286
Just because we spend too much time looking at our phones doesn’t mean Steve Jobs specifically intended to destroy the institution of the family. If he ever, at any point, was quoted in saying something that indicates that he did then please enlighten us by posting that sweet sweet sauce.

Thank you and good night

[Anonymous No.13897455]

>>13896202
The origins are Marxism itself pitting man against man based on master-slave dialectics involving class. It's not a stretch to apply this to race, to gender, to sexuality, to religion, to whatever. It's the same project Marx borrowed from Hegel misapplied on the material plane.

[Anonymous No.13897474]

I believe that as soon the old fuckers die(boomer cancer) the republican party will become a left wing conservative party.
But who knows when that will be.

[Anonymous No.13897523]

>>13897474
The republican party is already leftwing in many cases, they love sodomites and gay marriage, mass migration, diversity quotes, and they are super weak on abortion, very weak on family values, and they are softening up to legalizing soma to stupefy the peasantry.

[Anonymous No.13897535]

>>13897523
Fool. These were the true conservative values all along!

t. Jonah Goldberg

[Anonymous No.13897561]

>>13897474
I think the world economy is going to collapse before the boomers die off.
Keynesian economics does not work and they're going to find that out the hard way.
Luckily that means millions of boomers will be out on the street begging for food which should be entertaining to everyone who hates boomers as much as I do.

[Anonymous No.13897564]

>>13897561
>implying the eternal boomers don't have underground bunkers with chests of gold and silver bullions

[Anonymous No.13897601]

>>13897564
I know this is hard to believe but most boomers hate gold and silver.

[Anonymous No.13897638]

>>13896413

Academics have an inherent bias towards marxism because of how little value their work usually has in the capistalist system compared to people who they'd consider as less intelligent but earn much more (people in finance for instance). It's a psychological tendency built on resentment rather than a conspiracy. On top of it in a planned economy who do you think will chime in to "solve" society's problems? The "workers"?

[Anonymous No.13897654]

>>13896202
Because Marx advocated for infiltrating Western civilization with his ideas to destroy it.

[Anonymous No.13897664]

>>13897535
>degeneracy and chaos were true conservative values all along
kek

[Anonymous No.13898331]

>>13896747
based

[Anonymous No.13898667]

>>13897370
What a fucking retard you are. Your post is so stupid there's a possibility that it's very hidden sarcasm.

[Anonymous No.13898677]

>>13897654
Civilization... What a cuck you are anon. You talk like it's a great thing, you fucking alienated cuck.

[Anonymous No.13898780]

>>13896202

[Anonymous No.13899502]

>>13896202
the frankfurt school, it's real

[Anonymous No.13899523]

>>13896202
Gramsci and his "cultural capitalism"

[Anonymous No.13899546]

>>13896202
Just read this before they ban it.

[Anonymous No.13899554]

>>13896210
Butt Hurt Fly
lol

[Anonymous No.13899562]

>>13896301
Somebody is on the rag today...
This is why you do NOT want female presidents. Too unstable approx. 5 days a month. Any man here who has lived with a woman knows what I mean...

[Anonymous No.13899570]

>>13896348
Butt hurt fly indeed!

[Anonymous No.13899586]

>>13896202
The Controversy of Zion

[Anonymous No.13899596]

>>13896301
Yeah, the intrinîc mental instability of the trannie comes through every time...

[Anonymous No.13899606]

>>13899546
>kevin macdonald

[Anonymous No.13899660]

I don't think the birth of this term was somebody going through the works of the Frankfurt school. I guess it stems from the intuition that radical left groups and postmodern groups are both in essence anti-civilisatory. Meaning that both forms of opposition are dismantling current structures. This is self evident for leftist causes but also Postmodern approaches.

That of course doesn't mean that both sides strive for the same thing but confronted with a classical meta-narrativ like Marxist Communist struggle the postmodern movement of uncovering the sanctity of social phenomena as nothing else than what it is - social, the Communist Utopia has a certain historicity which gives the cause a more approachable meaning.

The perceived postmodern thoughts become nothing more than destruction with a big blank space as it's goal. The Marxists are perceived as destruction with a goal. So the people just assume the movement (in both senses of the word in this context) are effectively the same.

I guess this is the first affect which then gets retroactively legitimated through weird half-knowledge of certain figures.

Non of that is part of the postmodern theory. But postmodern thoughts that aren't cloaked in some kind of pseud-meta-narrative are weak. I would agree with Jameson in his analysis of the postmodern condition as something negative. But postmodern theory itself is attackable on the same grounds as postmodernity.

I guess it's just a gut instinct of the weakness of postmodern narrative

[Anonymous No.13900133]

>>13896301
I thought you only did those sort of things to underage people, you pedo faggot.

[Anonymous No.13900175]

>>13899606
>nigger

[Anonymous No.13900194]

>>13896202
It's not really a conspiracy, but Cultural Marxism is a dumb term because the people we'd identify as "Cultural Marxists" nowadays don't even accept the basic premises of Marxism. Though they can definitively be identified as socialists (in that they advocate the abolition of private property, the family etc.) they aren't classical Marxists. For the "Cultural Marxist" capitalism is a form of racism/sexism/bigotry/restriction of autonomy, a classical Marxist would view these as epiphenomena of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13900208]

Conservatives stole it from the LaRouchites through conspiracy theorists like John Coleman

http://r.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13900315]

>>13899562
As opposed to men who are unstable 24/7

[Anonymous No.13900447]

>>13896290
>some goofs to pretend to be retards
Name one

[Anonymous No.13900485]

>>13899554
Lol
>>13896301
>>13900315
OMG I get it now!

BUTT L
HURT O
FLY L

[Anonymous No.13901442]

>>13896238
>>13896320

People often confuse the term nuclear family with that type which incorporates multiple occupants to a household, including grandparents and possibly other extended family members. Nuclear families were traditionally an English and American phenomenon, for the most part.

[Anonymous No.13901974]

>>13900194
>Cultural Marxists" nowadays don't even accept the basic premises of Marxism. Though they can definitively be identified as socialists (in that they advocate the abolition of private property, the family etc.)
Not really. I've rarely heard them advocate directly for abolition of private property of the means of production.

[Anonymous No.13902015]

>>13901442
Engels was not at all for the abolition of nuclear family, but traditional monogamy in the sense of arranged marriages. He was in favor of free marriage and free divorce. Which is not the same thing as "destroying" family. He glorified free marriage which was the norm in the low working class, because poor people marriages weren't arranged, indeed no money arrangement possible in poor family, thus love marriage were a thing in the working class.
Engels had great respect for the gens, the primitive and barbarian family, which was an extended family.
People misunderstood (as usual) the criticism of monogamous arranged marriage nuclear family done by Marx and Engels as wanting to abolish all familial relationship. That's not what they said.

[Anonymous No.13902023]

>>13896202
Marxists, deciding that revolution isn't an option, and seeking to effect revolutionary change without taking over a government.
Then revolutionary Marxists see them and mock, "You're not doing it right! You're merely cultural Marxists!"
The same phrase is used with the same meaning in Islam to denote someone who wants to tolerate secularism or not exterminate Jews.

[Anonymous No.13902026]

>>13896202
Cultural Marxism is a bogus conspiracy theory made up by Jews to help discredit all of the accurate conspiracy theories about Jews.

[Anonymous No.13902036]

Right wing think tanks
>>13902023
unintelligible gibberish

[Anonymous No.13902158]

>>13896202
The butthurt fly
The butthurt fly
She always get's hurt
'cuz she can't fly

[Anonymous No.13902174]

>>13900315
>b-but y'all unstable! L-like me!
Calm down, defend your case.

[Anonymous No.13902425]

>>13896354
dumb wojak poster

[Anonymous No.13903175]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

Reagan wanted to break up teachers unions so he found someone that didn't like teachers and paid for his story to be spread as propaganda. Its just Cultural Bolshevism stolen from the Nazis with a new paint job to make it look modern. It happens all the time.

The basic gestalt is that liberal teachers are actually Kremlin sleeper agents.

[Anonymous No.13903183]

>>13896290
>>13900447
>>13903175

[Anonymous No.13903187]

>>13902036
>unintelligible
you must be extremely stupid

[Anonymous No.13903195]

>>13896357
>>13900447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Q5g4J48Jk

Central Intelligence Agency in 1951 and
8:23it was a program where they started the
8:26u.s. CIA started funding Marxism and
8:30Marxist things that they thought were
8:32anti Soviet they started trying to
8:35construct a left among scientists among
8:38artists among intellectuals and college
8:40professors they trust started trying to
8:42construct a left a left that was in
8:46essence in essence it was a left that
8:52was anti Soviet
8:54and that was basically what they were
8:55trying to do and the man that they hired
8:57to do it was Sidney hook and Sidney hook
9:00was a former Trotskyite and he started
9:03argue he was really anti-communist and
9:05they hired him CIA hired him this is all
9:07on their website I mean if you don't
9:09believe me go to Google right now type
9:11in Congress for cultural freedom among
9:12the things that come up will be CIA gov

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/95unclass/Warner.html

[Anonymous No.13903199]

>>13896202
Jewish behavior. But there's no "conspiracy."

[Anonymous No.13903212]

>>13897107
>>13897064
>>13896776
None of this has to do with where the conspiracy theory comes from, only what it deals with. The term is modern and very recent. Critical Theory wasn't Cultural Marxism in Frankfurt because it was made up decades after the fact to explain why academia was more left than some people wanted and to justify their insecurities.

[Anonymous No.13903214]

>>13896202
Your wiki page proves the conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.13903220]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrpSpwxgWw

[Anonymous No.13903233]

>>13897064
How is it a conspiracy theory if Gramsci explicitly stated that was his goal

[Anonymous No.13903241]

>>13896290
>by paying some goofs to pretend to be retards.

most people must be on their payroll.

[Anonymous No.13903243]

>>13896202
Historical fact.

[Anonymous No.13903250]

>>13897330
>But of course I disagree with you that the people who use the term MERELY use it as an ideological injunction
That is precisely what they are doing and he really spelled it out for you in the post you replied to.

Cultural is an adjective of Marxism describing the Marxism they are doing as "cultural" ie "relating to the ideas, customs, and social behavior of a society" that is to say that they are claiming people are performing "cultural marxism" that they are "virtue signalling" because they think it is a performative socially learned ritual and not a materialist philosophical perspective.

[Anonymous No.13903251]

>>13896238
read the book retard. most rightards assume the book is about destroying family and replacing it with homo individualist nihilist moral free faggotry when in reality the book is really an analysis about how family got stripped of its humanity in favor of power and some history of different family structures. also marx was in favor of extended families

[Anonymous No.13903252]

It says so right there on the wiki article op.
The ones that came up with cultural marxism were white women.
But nazis think muh white wimmins can do no wrong.

[Anonymous No.13903255]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98uzqpQ3JM

[Anonymous No.13903267]

>>13902015
>People misunderstood (as usual) the criticism of monogamous arranged marriage nuclear family done by Marx and Engels as wanting to abolish all familial relationship. That's not what they said.
Furthermore their main points were descriptive not normative, and were expounded on significantly by later authors, about how Capital necessarily will destroy the nuclear family.

Capital requires workers, capital brings women into the workforce, capital eats the family. The sexual revolution, just like the LGBT one now, is fully supported by 'progressive' liberal capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13903276]

>>13903251
>>13896238
>>13903255
>posts Engels
>Lenin
well at least its the right book

[Anonymous No.13903288]

>>13896202

It was made up by this guy in the 90s who was pissed off at Clinton for not building his train.

>William S. Lind

>Lind was the Director of the Center for Cultural Conservatism at the Free Congress Foundation. He advocates a Declaration of Cultural Independence by cultural conservatives in the United States, in the belief that the federal government ceased to represent their interests and began to coerce them into negative behavior and affect their culture in a negative fashion.

>Lind has authored and co-authored (with Paul Weyrich) a number of monographs on behalf of the Free Congress Foundation. The pair also write about Cultural Marxism as being an organized conspiracy against the traditional Christian values of America.

>As a paleoconservative, Lind has often criticized neoconservatives in his commentaries. While not a libertarian, he has also written for LewRockwell.com. He is a self-proclaimed conservative and monarchist. He is a supporter of a non-interventionist foreign policy.

>In his column of December 15, 2009, Lind announced that he was leaving the staff of the Center unexpectedly and that his series of articles was on hiatus.

>Lind has advocated for police to have rocket-propelled grenades as standard issue and for a return to death by hanging as a common sentence for crime in "urban areas."

>Lind is a key proponent of the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory and asserts that Marxists control much of modern popular media and that political correctness can be directly attributed to Karl Marx.

>Lind also wrote Victoria: A Novel of 4th Generation War, in which a group of "Christian Marines" leads an armed resistance against cultural Marxism as the American federal government collapses.

[Anonymous No.13903289]

>>13903267
>Capital requires workers, capital brings women into the workforce, capital eats the family.
The easiest way to spot a retard is when they try to tell you "capital" is some sentient entity with its own interests acting on its own.

[eLIT !!+yp8kR80iN5 No.13903292]

>>13896348
what do you do?