[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 91 KB, 432x649, v by pinecone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
13873944 No.13873944 [Reply] [Original]

Prove to me that you read V. and actually gained something from it. No memeing. No goofs (but gags are allowed)

>> No.13873948

It makes me weep that he was capable of writing it at 25

>> No.13873950

>>13873948
Because he was meant to be a writer.

>> No.13874117

Chapter 5: In which Stencil nearly goes West with an alligator is an excellent section. The story of Father Fairing and the rats is hilarious

>> No.13874195

I remember reading it for the first time when I was 19 and thinking it was pretty entertaining albeit disjointed and chaotic. I couldn’t get past the first entry in the Fausto Maijstral chapter so I skipped ahead to the next chapter. Years later, I was sitting in a beer garden across from an Englishman who told me he thought the ending reminded him a lot of the end of Moby Dick, his favourite novel, and that the Fausto chapter really unraveled the whole mystery of the book. I made some halfhearted attempt to defend the fallout, but returned to my room that night to start rereading. Things do clear up a lot with the confession chapter, but part of me missed the earlier innocence of not knowing exactly what V meant or what it stood for or who “she” was.

>> No.13874198

>>13873944
Always wear your modified chastity belt when performing vaginal theatrics. And don't fuck any cyborgs because only insecure women get plastic surgery, insecurities most likely caused by homolusting surgeons and the Holocaust.

>> No.13874209

>>13874195
what exactly does V mean?

>> No.13874217

>>13874117
This exactly the episode that sticks out in my mind as well, it’s absolutely brilliant.

Anyway, OP, I was 17 and I took my paperback copy to the beach on a family trip. I accidentally left my copy in the rain and, whenever I flip through it’s sticky, malformed pages now, a few grains of sand still fall from inside.

>> No.13874221

>>13873944
Is it pronounced /v/ or 5?

>> No.13874227

>>13874221
fiVee (5)

>> No.13874255

I learned how a nose job is performed.

>> No.13874348

>>13873944
The part with the nose job and the doctor saying “who knows” to make a joke made me smile

>> No.13874355

>>13874348
Nose knows.

>> No.13874384

>>13874117
not having read the pinch, this sounds like some randomly generated reddit bullshit. what do you guys like about this.

>> No.13874418

>>13874384
You just have to read it to get it, anon. A lot of the humor of this chapter in particular comes from the simultaneous humanity and outrageousness of the situation. Without giving too much away, a drifter gets a job hunting sewer gators in NYC and hears about a legend of sorts in which a priest attempts to bring the word of the lord to the local rat population. It stands alone as its own story and also works into the larger narrative (along with most of the many tangents in the novel). If you've never read Pynchon before it might be worth it to try Lot 49, but V is a good start too

>> No.13874420

>>13874255
Is it anything like a footjob?

>> No.13874429

>>13874384
>this sounds like some randomly generated reddit bullshit.
Try not to relate everything to websites

>> No.13874443

>>13874429
Ok well, try to explain what you like about the passage. This is the second time I've had to ask. Should be pretty easy if you really did like it.

>>13874418
Thank you anon, this is an honorable post.

>> No.13874444

I thin the best description of a Pynchon novel — particularly the first read of a Pynchon novel — is that it's like a drunken night out. Some crazy things happen and you only vaguely remember most of it, and even if you didn't "gain" something tangible you still want to do it again.

>> No.13874449

>>13874444
>thin
k

>> No.13874471

>>13874443
As the other anon said, Pynchon writes novels tangentially, essentially pointing to a larger general point or idea (V.) through a web of storylines that always seem to circle the point in mention. Essentially, he makes his tackles his ideas indirectly; in a novel about WWII, he will tell you about anything BUT the war itself, yet with the war always a looming presence in the background. This lends itself to some very creative and episodic writing, that specific passage a standout IMO. I don’t want to ruin it for you, and it’s better you read it yourself. I’m not backing out of the “challenge” in summarizing an episode, but because it really is such a bizarre, abrupt journey within the novel that it’s better you stumble upon it yourself

>> No.13874475

>>13874471
>he makes his tackles
He tackles

>> No.13874490

>>13874471
That is a very interesting answer, thank you anon. I will read the pinch.

>> No.13874513
File: 44 KB, 316x475, The-Sacred-and-Profane-Eliade-Mircea-9780156792011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
13874513

Benny What's-his-face

>> No.13874529
File: 20 KB, 332x499, 41CQf+0UcQL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
13874529

I own this version and I read that there were a few minor issues with it. What's a good version to look for?

>> No.13874535

>>13873950
You say that NOW. You would have scoffed if you were there

>> No.13874552
File: 31 KB, 604x388, yiup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
13874552

>>13874535
I WAS there

>> No.13874562

it was a beautiful piece of literature i didn't have to gain anything from it. thats not the point at all.

>> No.13874567

>>13874562
which kind of beautiful?

>> No.13874572

>>13874221
V

>> No.13874591

>>13874529
That one's fine with a caveat. Pynchon revised V. after publication. afaik the changes were not major. The only edition in print that follows the revised text is the Where's Waldo one.

Keep in mind: the text in the edition you posted is the same that was published in hardcover in 1963. It is the text that won the William Faulkner award, and the text that most of Pynchon's early fans (and current fans) read. I wouldn't worry too much, or more accurately I didn't worry too much when I read that same edition.

>> No.13874594

>>13874572
*V.

>> No.13874610

>>13874591
thanks mane. i read it already and didn't notice anything until after looking it up

>> No.13875122

>>13874529
I remember flipping randomly through this particular edition and stopping on some pretty egregious misprints. Nothing to flip out over, but it you pay attention you may spot them. The thing with Pynchon is that his sentences always flow, so if you happen upon one that seems to end abruptly or that doesn’t scan smoothly you may want to take the time to parse our wether it’s him making a statement or a printing error.

>> No.13875138

>>13873944
fausto paula shlemihil stencil orthopsychiatry rhinoplasty

> and actually gained something from it
lol

>> No.13875531

>>13873944
When the kids find V in a bombed out Church.


POIGNANT SHIT....

THE WHOLE BOOK IS AWESOME. FUCK OFF OP

>> No.13875541

>>13873944
I want this to be a movie for the nose job ASMR

>> No.13875667

Incident know there was a herero genocide until I read V

>> No.13875718

I'm still looking for V.

>> No.13876186

>>13874529
>>13874591
There were some minor errors in the 1963 printing that Pinecone wanted to fix (an Arabic word being translated wrong, Esther wearing a raincoat that P. believed wouldn't fit her), but they didn't make it into every later edition of the book.
https://orbit.openlibhums.org/article/id/403/

>> No.13876370

>>13876186
did he fix the awful prose?

>> No.13877870
File: 203 KB, 1293x700, pynch...easy on the songs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
13877870

>>13876370
Take it back!

>> No.13878351

>>13873944


.

>> No.13878401

I can admit I barely gained anything from it except that it's a book I'll need to read twice. Like many people, I got about 100 pages in and threw my hands in the air and went "what is this book even about and where's it going and why should I even care?" instead of taking each chapter as a standalone and enjoying each part as it came.
To round out this 92 IQ post, I gained the knowledge that people going "wha" is really funny to me.

>> No.13878417

>>13873944
This guy wrote that book Gravity's Rainbow, heard about that being one messed up book.

>> No.13879803

>>13874117
>The story of Father Fairing and the rats is hilarious
this and profane down in the sewers were definitely the highlights of the book

>> No.13880302

Diana was a lizard person

>> No.13880656

>>13873944
Many things. I read this before GR, so it taught me a decent amount about the Herero genocide. Pynchon writes historical fiction.

>> No.13880776

>>13874209
Where we are in the present is the bottom of V. Flattens out in GR but still there for perhaps perfection (Slothrop achieves it somehow). V is a name of a mystery woman, V is pronounced different in Latin, Spanish, English and german. Could mean V as his fifth attempt at such a work.

>>13873944
Pynchon splits himself up into several characters like every author but the highest divide is between the whole sick crew and Stencil’s story. This is a great coming of age story especially for someone who is in love. You have one side of the story of people growing up, Profane going through girls and Winsom (Winthrop?) getting sadder treatment. A dozen types of man-woman relationships are looked at. The happiest (like in Underworld) is the couple we see that makes fun of each other and calls each other out with teased (somewhere in the section where we see 7 different stories). So on one hand we have the early twenty something, and on the other hand we have the early Pynchon: stencil. Pynchon, the fucker, named his character STENCIL. STENCIL. He is in training, he is on the search, he is writer, he is poet, researcher, genius, worker.

>> No.13880779

>>13880776
Should have clarified: the left end of the V is the past (the upper left point), and the upper right point is the future. We are in the present. Makes it a little hard.

>> No.13880799

>>13880776
You forgot the fun one: V. Is an emoticon of an alligator's head

>> No.13880803

>>13874217
>Beach reading with family

I see we have the same survival technique.

>> No.13880814

>>13877870
If I wasn't coming off edibles and my eyes weren't dry they'd be wet.

>> No.13880819

>>13878401
This legit makes me want to check it out.

>> No.13880826

I think it's funny when that guy goes walking around town holding an octopus looking for a frying pan and some oil

also Benny goes "wha" a lot

>> No.13880876
File: 381 KB, 349x575, the goofy gag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
13880876

Pynch is my favorite writer for sure, and I liked when the Gaucho and Godolphin were memeing around

>> No.13881028

I didnt like it

>> No.13882581

>>13881028
get out