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[Anonymous No.13873830]

>The ultimate conclusion of spending your life studying philosophy is...that the best life is the philosophic life
>The ideal city is...actually impossible and even if it were it wouldn't be appealing to non-philosophers so whatever go start a liberal democracy--sorry, I meant "polity"
Anyone else feel let down by this? It felt like his thought was building to something more. Also the conclusion that studying philosophy shows that the philosophic life is the best life feels a bit masturbatory.

>Enter Nietzsche
>"fuck you, I'll build a philosophy that actually goes somewhere to fix the mess you created
>goes mad before he can fully develop his ideas
>we're left with obscure self-contradictory ramblings
>interesting as hell to study but definitely feels like it's missing it's missing something, a "true ending"
Where do we go from here?

[Anonymous No.13873850]

bump

[Anonymous No.13873862]

Hegel, but first you need to do some un-learning.

[Anonymous No.13873865]

>>13873830
Go back to Plato

[Anonymous No.13873872]

>>13873830
>Enter Nietzsche

noooooo

[Anonymous No.13873901]

>>13873862
What's Hegel's response?

[Anonymous No.13873954]

>>13873901
Form connections with other people

[Anonymous No.13874000]

>>13873830
>Where do we go from here?

See Marx, talking about how money and the profit motive fucks with everything. See Castoriadis showing how libertarianism is compatible with utopianism. See Hocking's world community. See also Kant, showing how even if everything is permanently fucked we can still progress in a good direction.

[Anonymous No.13874033]

>>13873830
fuck these niggas; figure it out for yourself
they are only men

[Anonymous No.13874049]

>>13873830
>Where do we go from here?
Well first you finish Nietzsche because it sounds like you read a Wikipedia summary and called it a day. After that, 20th century archaeologists and anthropologists.

[Anonymous No.13874056]

Whitehead

“Philosophy begins in wonder. And at the end when philosophic thought has done its best the wonder remains.”

"Also we must recollect the basis of our procedure. I hold that philosophy is the critic of abstractions. Its function is the double one, first of harmonising them by assigning to them their right relative status as abstractions, and secondly of completing them by direct comparison with more concrete intuitions of the universe, and thereby promoting the formation of more complete schemes of thought. It is in respect to this comparison that the testimony of great poets is of such importance. Their survival is evidence that
they express deep intuitions of mankind penetrating into what is universal in concrete fact. Philosophy is not one among the sciences with its own little scheme of abstractions which it works away at perfecting and improving. It is the survey of sciences, with the special objects of their harmony, and of their completion. It brings to this task, not only the evidence of the separate sciences, but also its own appeal to concrete experience. It confronts the sciences with concrete fact."

"In this way God is completed by the individual, fluent satisfactions of finite fact, and the temporal occasions are completed by their everlasting union with their transformed selves, purged into conformation with the eternal order which is the final absolute 'wisdom.' The final summary can only be expressed in terms of a group of antitheses, whose apparent self-contradictions depend on neglect of the diverse categories of existence. In each antithesis there is a shift of meaning which converts the opposition into a contrast.

"It is as true to say that God is permanent and the World fluent, as that the World is permanent and God is fluent.

"It is as true to say that God is one and the World many, as that the World is one and God many.

"It is as true to say that, in comparison with the World, God is actual eminently, as that, in comparison with God, the World is actual eminently.

"It is as true to say that the World is immanent in God, as that God is immanent in the World.

"It is as true to say that God transcends the World, as that the World transcends God.

"It is as true to say that God creates the World, as that the World creates God...

"What is done in the world is transformed into a reality in heaven, and the reality in heaven passes back into the world... In this sense, God is the great companion – the fellow-sufferer who understands."

[Anonymous No.13875492]

>>13873830
I get why people like Nietzsche, but thinking he is in any way comparable to Plato is retarded,

[Anonymous No.13875537]

>>13873830
>The ultimate conclusion of spending your life studying philosophy is...that the best life is the philosophic life
Yeah, it sounds stupid if you choose to ignore everything he said about what a philosophical life is and entails.
>The ideal city is...actually impossible
Plato never said that though, in fact both Laws and his 7th letter clearly state the opposite of what you've just said.
>even if it were it wouldn't be appealing to non-philosophers so whatever go start a liberal democracy--sorry, I meant "polity"
Again, this is patently false, what is described in the Republic is not meant to be unappealing to non-philosophers, in fact it is supposed to represent the best case scenario for them.
Have you even read Republic and Laws?
Also that description of Nietzscheian philosophy... just stop being a pretentious cunt, drop the /lit/ posts and wiki articles (which are clearly the backbone of your understanding of these philosophers) and just fucking read a book.

[Anonymous No.13875651]

>>13874000
>see marx