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13871617 No.13871617 [Reply] [Original]

Gimme some please. I need some for a religion class debate.

>> No.13871620

There isn't one. Which is why you ask instead of already know.

>> No.13871633

>>13871620
I have to play devil's advocate. I know sola fide is retarded.

>> No.13871645

>>13871617
Jesus and the sinner on the cross

>> No.13871647

>>13871633
Play devils advocate by intentionally using fallacious arguments.

>> No.13871658

>>13871647
That's the idea

>> No.13871659

>>13871645
Contingent on repentance. That's why the other sinner on his other side was not saved. He believed in a sense. He saw and knew truth right in front of him. Yet he chose to deny it and refuse to turn from his wickedness.

>> No.13871679

>>13871617
To break one commandment is to break all of them. Were we justified by the law, then we would be condemned by the law. Only through faith can we attain perfect righteousness through Christ, not ourselves.

>21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

>27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

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13871696

Ephesians 2
>8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

>9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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>> No.13872796

There is no good argument for it. The best you're probably going to find is Romans 3:28 but it will get picked apart by anyone worth their salt. When Luther read this verse he gave it a meaning that was unknown for the first fifteen hundred years of Christianity.The expression "works of law" refers to the Mosaic law, and the rite of circumcision. Luther assumed that works of law included everything a human does, even good works like keeping the commandments.Therefore, he inserted the word “alone” after the word “faith” in his German translation.This radically changed the meaning of the passage: “For we hold that a man is justified by faith ALONE apart from works of law”.

Another common prooftext is Ephesians 2:8-9 but there's similar problems. It says “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not our doing.It is the gift of God - not because of works, lest any man should boast."

The passage is interpreted to mean that St. Paul is teaching that faith alone is necessary for salvation.Therefore, it is claimed that the only thing needed to gain heaven is to “accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. However, the Protestant interpretation of this passage crumbles as soon as the next verse is considered: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them” (Eph 2:10). The Greek word gar (“for”) introduces a purpose clause. It means “for the purpose of.” Obviously, St. Paul is not teaching faith alone nor is he rejecting the necessity of good works.