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After Atma-Jnana, is it possible to fall out of moksha and end up in samsara again? Can Maya arise again after Moksha?

>> No.13860945

>>13860898
>Can Maya arise again after Moksha?
No, Moksha is held in Advaita to be synonymous with the permanent destruction of ignorance, the very root of it is pulled out. The first part of your question equates moksha with atma-jnana which is correct but which calls for further clarification. One can gain partial glimpses of the truth, and attain temporary states where one intuitively and directly experiences Vedantic teachings as true. This is not always the same thing as moksha or complete atma-jnana though, if you come back from it down to your normal baseline state than it was only temporary and not real moksha. Shankara writes in his works that attaining moksha can take years of devoted study and effort, he aludes to the temporary flashes of insight that can occur from studying Vedanta but makes it clear that real moksha is not a flash of insight but an unending state that one never leaves once its attained.

>> No.13861047

>>13860945
If Maya arose in the first place, can it arise again? Also, what happens to someone who has achieved moksha after death? Are they reincarnated but still liberated? Do they disappear forever? Is it something else? How about after the end of the universe: can 'the game' of Maya arise again with the appearance of a new universe in the same way it did in the previous one? Can the ignorance return for the same 'mindstream' or whatever you want to call it, that attained moksha?

>> No.13861256

>>13860898
bump

>> No.13861403

>>13861047
>If Maya arose in the first place, can it arise again?
Advaita holds that like Brahman, maya is beginingless and that it is essentially the self-nature of Brahman to exercise His power of maya to project the illusion of samsara like it is the self-nature of the sun to perpetually radiate light. Maya always will "exist" as it is the very nature of Brahman to express it, however once individual jivas are liberated it is held by Advaita that they forever remain that way, or rather they forever end as illusory separate entities, whereas Brahman alone (who was their inner Self all along) remains.
>Also, what happens to someone who has achieved moksha after death? Are they reincarnated but still liberated?
Advaita teaches of the existence of (very long-lasting but still temporary) heavenly realms that one can transmigrate to after death; where one remains until the next cycle of universal manifestation at which point one becomes embodied again and a part of normal existence like everyone else. These realms are reached through spiritual attainment or doing the right combination of mediations and rituals prescribed for that purpose in the Vedas, this is called the 'northern path'. Im not aware of Advaita talking about attaining moksha "between lives", so the only opportunities really are either during normal existence or in one of these divine realms; if someone were to attain moksha in a heavenly realm it would presumably be little different from doing it while as an embodied human on earth. In each case when that body or realm reached the limit of its duration there would be no further transmigration for that jiva.
>How about after the end of the universe: can 'the game' of Maya arise again with the appearance of a new universe in the same way it did in the previous one? Can the ignorance return for the same 'mindstream' or whatever?
Vedanta holds that there is a beginningless cosmic cycle of (not ultimately real) universes being created, maintained and destroyed within the infinity of Brahman, and that all this stems from His maya. These universes appear due to maya and cannot really be separated from it. It has, is and will always be the nature of Brahman to weild maya as His power; however Advaita still holds that moksha is eternal and that once its reached one is never affected by maya or ignorance again. It's like waking up from a dream that once you've left you'll never return to.

>> No.13862507

>>13860945
>>13861403
I think you are the same guy who is always clarifying things about Advaita Vedanta with serious and thorough posts. Just want to say that I appreciate a lot your posts and that it’d be nice to talk more about it with you.

>> No.13862648

>>13862507
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>> No.13862700

>>13862507
Thank you, there are a few of us but it does seem like I am one of the more active ones. If you wanted to talk about vedanta etc more you can reach me at lit84748@gmail.com

>> No.13862702

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>> No.13862713

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