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*solves the problem of evil*
>God bestows the initial subjective aim for an actual entity as a lure for its concresence and the experiential intensity it evokes.
>It is God’s purpose to enjoy the experiential intensities it provokes
>God is not omnipotent as actual entities and their societies have their own teleology.
>God is not omniscient because the future does not yet exist because novelty emerges from actualities via their subjective aim and the infinity of eternal objects.
>God is not omnibenevolent because morality is subordinate to aesthetic appreciation which is God’sdesire.

>> No.13858736

>>13858733
Humans create literature with characters who suffer to create meaning and beautiful stories. Why wouldn't God do the same? Suffering is temporary, but the meaning derived from it is eternal.

>> No.13858741

>>13858733
Define evil.

>> No.13858781

>>13858736
Did you even read the post

>> No.13858797

>>13858781
it's sophistry. What does he even mean by God?

>> No.13858801

So God is a Nieztschfag?

>> No.13858806

>>13858741
That which I subjectively identify as such.

>> No.13858810

>>13858733
>God bestows the initial subjective aim for an actual entity
>God is not omnipotent as actual entities and their societies have their own teleology.
I ron't get it, Shaggy

>> No.13858814

>>13858806
then the problem of evil is subjective

>> No.13858832

>>13858814
Not if I subjectively identify evil as objective.

>> No.13858833

Do other religions have these intense grapples with the Problem of Evil? I understand that I, as a Westerner, am only really exposed to Western debates on this for obvious reasons, but I feel like this is only something Christianity really has to deal with.

>> No.13858835

>>13858797
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_North_Whitehead#God
Also just so you know this God is not his Absolute. His Absolute is Creativity. He saw this concept of God as putting order within his system.

>> No.13858852

>>13858835
How is this God not omnipotent then, if he bestows all aims of all entities

>> No.13858856

>>13858835
>>13858835
>The primordial nature he described as "the unlimited conceptual realization of the absolute wealth of potentiality,"[118] i.e., the unlimited possibility of the universe. This primordial nature is eternal and unchanging, providing entities in the universe with possibilities for realization. Whitehead also calls this primordial aspect "the lure for feeling, the eternal urge of desire,"[121] pulling the entities in the universe toward as-yet unrealized possibilities.
Sounds like Schopenhauer

>> No.13858868

>>13858736
Underrated post

>> No.13858880

>>13858736
Overrated post

>> No.13858907

>>13858736
Fairly rated post

>> No.13858910

>>13858852
God conditions Creativity but it is beyond his control. The smallest fundamental building blocks of Whutehead's system, actual entities (drops of experience), have their own teleology and actualize the possibilities. Without them nothing is actualized and God is merely unrealized possibilities.

>> No.13858921

>>13858852
Also actual entities have their own individuality.

>> No.13858968

>>13858801
Unrated post

>> No.13858999

>>13858801
Yea

>> No.13859008
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13859008

>>13858733
So god was just trying to create 3d glasses and got the three stooges instead?
Imagine falling for a religion that is literally just a long series of pseudo-empirical jury rigging.

>> No.13859026

>>13858810
The process of an actual entity is called a concrescence that involves an initial subjective aim to create that actual entity, a prehension of other actual entities, a subjective aim that conduces a decision, and a satisfaction that completes the process. God bestows the possibilities which actual entities fulfill, God can't actualize them on its own. Also actual entities make the decision of which possibility to fulfill.

>> No.13859030

>>13858910
Ok, that makes sense. I'm struggling a bit with this. So which are actual entities in this list
>me and you
>the musical note F#
>a dog
>an electron
>my sleep paralysis demon

>> No.13859034

>>13859008
me on the right

>> No.13859043

>>13859030
actual entities are spatiotemporally extended events or processes.

>> No.13859062

>>13859043
Thanks, that clears up a lot actually.

>> No.13859064

>>13859030
actual entities are the fundamental buildimg block of reality in Whitehead's system so all those have underlying processes going on within them

>> No.13859124

Is Whitehead a crypto Hegelian?

>> No.13859145

>>13859124
No. He just took Nietzsche's thought to its furthest conclusions.

>> No.13859169

>>13858733
Meanwhile Christianity.
>It's our fault because we disobeyed God and he won't just transform us all into servile meat puppets that can only do what he says because he has some pride in His job.
The end.
"The problem of evil" was never a problem except from the enlightement """thinkers""" on.

>> No.13859190

>>13858733

Truly awful arguments. Whitehead, the most ostensibly non-Anglo of the Anglos, actually reveals himself to be even more Anglo than is required of him. Sad.

>> No.13859195

>>13859190
Literally none of that is anglo

>> No.13859205

>>13858736
All around good post.

>> No.13859221

>>13858736
Awful post

>> No.13859234

>>13859008
I never noticed the kid before. Neat

>> No.13859375

>>13859169
Based and oldtestamentpilled

>> No.13859606

Bump

>> No.13859607

>>13859064
So a the life of an atom generated in the sun that somehow made its way to earth the disintegrated would be such a process, right?

>> No.13860345

Bump

>> No.13860413

>>13858733
The problem of evil emerges from the nature of lack; darkness doesn't exist as such, it is the lack of light. The understanding and sensing of darkness is real, however.
Such is also the nature of evil, of lies.
The problem of evil arises from the lack of God.

>> No.13860546

>>13858733
Retroactively.

>> No.13860880

Bump

>> No.13861179
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13861179

>>13858733
>wh*tehead

>> No.13861481

>>13858736
Fair but unremarkable post

>> No.13861507

>>13861179
KEK

>> No.13861521

>>13861179
بأثر رجعي

>> No.13861674

>>13858733
>God is not omnipotent
>God is not omniscient
>God is not omnibenevolent
God is not God. Well, neither am I evidently, though I trust God's proxy here >>13859169 shares all of the original's omniscience, and so deserves our awe.

>> No.13861697

>>13861674
His God is a concept within his system that he saw necessary to hold its order. God may be a misnomer as it is not his Absolute. His Absolute is Creativity.

>> No.13861729

>>13858733
Finally, a meaningful whitehead thread. Thank you, OP, for this.

As I gather, Whithead thinks that ethics is subordinate to aesthetics. How can he argue this when aesthetics are individualizing (there is no universal aesthetics) and thus cannot aim at transcendence?

It would seem that aesthetics is only meaningful as a spur for ethics, the genuinely spiritual activity.

T. Hardcore Platonizing Kantian

>> No.13862116

>>13858733
How does Whitehead conceive of universal, teleological Sophia, if at all?

>> No.13862246

>>13858833
Yes, other religions deal with theodicy.

>> No.13862293

>>13858736
Cringe and bluepilled

>> No.13862299

>>13858736
Based and redpilled

>> No.13862330

>>13858736
I give it a 7/10

>> No.13862518

>>13858736
Now that the dust has settled, what did we think of this post?

>> No.13863112

>>13859169
>free will
>human action not being determined by our biological nature and environment

>> No.13863321

>>13858736
Greek godspilled