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Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:29:29 2019 No.13833428 [Reply] [Original]

What do we think of this?

IMO it has some cool ideas and insights, but it's poorly written. Like just some vaguely related paragraphs thrown together.

Someone like Jack Donovan, while not quite as controversial/edgy in the content, can express similar ideas in a much more readable form.

I still finished the book, though. It wasn't some alt-lite MAGA cringefest, but it came close at times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:31:45 2019 No.13833437 >>13833428 The fact that lit likes this book just goes to show how low IQ this board is. Jejune balderdash.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:31:58 2019 No.13833438 I actually liked how it is written, that’s what made it stand out for me in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:35:39 2019 No.13833456 >>13833428 It’s for midwits who call people pseuds. I feel like people read these books to “trigger the sjws”, virtue signaling to your twitter pals that you get all the memes like that Chapo Trap House book

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:38:22 2019 No.13833468

>>13833437
It's a normie tier, perhaps just slightly above average 105-110 IQ book. Not great, but not terrible either.

>>13833456
Sure, there's that too, but it doesn't have to be ONLY that. You can look past twitter trolling and still appreciate it for what it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:38:55 2019 No.13833472 >>13833456 I think this post says more about you than any book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:40:44 2019 No.13833480 >>13833472 You know I am, but what are you?

>>	D-M-T Tue Sep 17 10:42:31 2019 No.13833483 >>13833428 objectively the best book of all time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:19:02 2019 No.13833676 File: 71 KB, 615x385, chosen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is the jewish perspective on BAP. They have high IQ's you know?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:44:17 2019 No.13833812 >>13833676 >My book triggers the libs ;) Go outside and wash your penis when you come back in

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:45:41 2019 No.13833816 >>13833676 >bad person esteems a thing bad therefore thing good

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:56:29 2019 No.13833871
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The entire point of BAP is a litmus test to expose closet liberals and low test conservatives.

Once you realize this the take away is Lift weights and be carefree but also orientate yourself to something higher than muh pleasure. That is the Bronze Age Mindset.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:05:42 2019 No.13833926

>>13833871
You can lift weights and like art without all the goofy posturing. The reason I compare it to CTH is it’s a bunch of nerds on the Internet making jokes to each other. They don’t have as much real world impact as the posturing on the Internet would have you believe.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:14:50 2019 No.13833972
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BrAP seems to be a part of the Twitter-based afroturfed right that has developed to keep people from going all the way. Never mentioning jews is of course the main giveaway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:26:43 2019 No.13834032 >>13833428 Glow in the dark goyop. Just read classical far right thinkers like Evola and Yockey. Wouldn’t hurt to read Dugin either

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:32:01 2019 No.13834060 >>13833428 I expected some shit tier self help book like gorilla mindset, and was astonished at how good it is

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:54:30 2019 No.13834150

>>13833926
>You can lift weights and like art without all the goofy posturing
ok and? No one is making this argument though.

>The reason I compare it to CTH
what is CTH

>it’s a bunch of nerds on the Internet making jokes to each other
you can say this about anything with a following on the internet

>They don’t have as much real world impact as the posturing on the Internet would have you believe.
no one is trying to

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:51:49 2019 No.13834445 https://youtu.be/ZTtpk7AYvus

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:54:12 2019 No.13834462 >>13833972 oh does he not talk about them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:56:20 2019 No.13834473 >>13833926 >without all the goofy posturing The goofy posturing is part of the appeal though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:59:34 2019 No.13834505 >>13833428 They're both unironic homos so who cares?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:05:14 2019 No.13834543 >>13834462 He mentions them only in a positive light.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:05:28 2019 No.13834546

>>13833972
>>13834462
As I recall from when I was following his content he has a Nietzschean take - seems to loathe rootless cosmopolitans like Nowrasteh but likes the Old Testament. He put out an article on The American Sun recently about Israel. In general they avoid naming the Jew because it's the fastest way to get banned, which means losing all of your followers (can take months to rebuild).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:06:30 2019 No.13834554 >>13834543 Not true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:06:44 2019 No.13834555 >>13833972 >muh jooz Retard. It's literally just marxism applied to race.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:07:28 2019 No.13834562 >>13834543 >>13834546 not very 'Bronze Age' of him lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:07:45 2019 No.13834564 >>13834554 There is nothing critical of jews in that book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:08:47 2019 No.13834568 >>13834555 Maybe it is. But the fact that it's the one thing you can't talk about, even beyond like racism towards blacks, makes me highly suspicious.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:12:21 2019 No.13834591

>>13834546
>In general they avoid naming the Jew because it's the fastest way to get banned

There are easy ways to signal you are aware of such things and avoid banishment. That's not what BAP and others in that scene do. They pretend it's not an issue. Some because they're afraid and don't want to destroy any potential mainstream crossover, others because they're jews themselves, and others because they're just not very smart and don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:13:37 2019 No.13834599 >>13834555 Jews are the main problem in the west, it's not controversial anymore. Marxism is judaism personified too, moron.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:22:26 2019 No.13834648

>>13834591
Most of them are j*ws. The big give away should why that the original redpill, /r/theredpill, was ran and it’s main posters still are j*ws. Yea, i’m the surface they are providing practical and good advice, but beneath it they still suck the shekels out of you through paying for their books and advice. They could easily rally their support around a central cause, but that’s disenfranchise them from their pay-pigs. These people want the bourgeoise life while telling others to reject it, and it’s sad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:23:11 2019 No.13834650 >>13834599 lol, sure thing nog-iq.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:32:49 2019 No.13834696 File: 2.68 MB, 1353x1074, 1530470974908.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13834599 >Jews are the main problem Meanwhile

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:35:47 2019 No.13834712 >>13834696 Jews are spearheading the civnat maga movement basedboys like that are immersed in.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:44:34 2019 No.13834740

>>13834712
Yeah, it's the Jews that are preventing people from exercising, looking decent and reading books.
Well, if the goyim are so stupid that they can't do anything other than what the Jews tell them, I'll say Jews are pretty based and cool dudes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:50:52 2019 No.13834764 >>13834740 your post is so completely unrelated to the post you're replying to it's almost impressive

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:52:49 2019 No.13834774 >>13834740 Jews are the ones running our institutions and poisoning our culture and in turn normalizing unhealthy and abnormal ideologies and lifestyles. They are the problem, and they need to be removed from power.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:52:54 2019 No.13834775 >>13834712 >>13834740 Woke up and had no frosted flakes. Must have been the Jews. And my dog's nose looks a little bigger WTF

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:54:42 2019 No.13834781 File: 880 KB, 1390x1975, Louis_XIV_of_France.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13834774 >if only we could go back to a time of authority where non-degenerate unjews kept peace and harmony and nonsodomy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:59:57 2019 No.13834803 >>13834774 And apparently the goyim are stupid fat worthless Netflix watching faggots. Why should I care about them? It takes two to tango. Jews would be powerless without their dumb cattle. Might as well remove the latter then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:03:50 2019 No.13834827 >>13834803 It's this type of talmudic thinking and chutzpah that is why your people will soon be kicked out of yet another host country.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:07:21 2019 No.13834849

>>13834781
Louis and monarchies in general were using a jewish religion to keep people down and justify their power. The enlightenment was an expression of upper class Europeans breaking free from jewish proxy-control through Christianity but was subverted later on by the replacement jewish religion of Marxism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:09:19 2019 No.13834855 >>13834827 Oh wow, I'm so scared. I think I'm going to produce some more capeshit and rap albums with my shlomos. This should keep you lot distracted for a few more decades, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:16:06 2019 No.13834898 >>13834855 No, white people aren't even into that shit anymore. What's going to happen is you and your tribe of swindling rats are going to get kicked the fucked out again. Get ready for it, rabbi, or make aliya now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:25:17 2019 No.13835262 >>13833428 Meme book written by a rich /fit/ fag who larps as le badass traditional warrior.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:30:32 2019 No.13835289 >>13834599 Marx was a raving antisemite though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:32:39 2019 No.13835302 >>13833428 Bad grammar and poorly written, 90% of people buy it to brag to their twitter followers and get a retweet from BAP himself possibly/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:35:55 2019 No.13835319 >>13834849 Damn, how are they so strong?

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:39:10 2019 No.13835339

>>13835289
LOL Marx was a kike. His statements pretending to be critical of other jews was theater for the goyim.

Remember, Marx's main issue early on was that his fellow kikes couldn't gain entry into German institutions.

He was a staunch advocate for his tribe's interests.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:42:33 2019 No.13835366 >>13835339 Whatever you say man

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:45:13 2019 No.13835386

>>13835319
Jews are not strong; they are a weak, parasitic people. What they do is attach themselves to a host, mimic the host's behavior to blend in and acquire power, and then promote things that weaken the host and thus strengthen the parasite.

You see this type of host-parasite relationship in nature all the time. But ultimately the parasite cannot control what it can't build, and thus the host develops defenses and forces the parasite to move on to a different host.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:48:59 2019 No.13835409 >>13833428 /pol/ level literature. Written by someone who roleplays a really badly understood nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:59:05 2019 No.13835450 >>13835386 So why are you so weak?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:01:46 2019 No.13835466 >>13835450 Pardon? I am strong and proposing strong policies in the form of jew-removal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:08:14 2019 No.13835505 It's a funny book that does not take itself seriously. All the fags itt trashing it are the humorless type of people the book spends some time making fun of.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:11:35 2019 No.13835527

>>13833468
>It's a normie tier

This is a weird criticism. BAP is an OG internet troll from the Phora (see posts like this: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83281)), and his whole character is incomprehensible unless you're intimately familiar with fringe far-right internet culture, in addition to Nietzsche, Homer, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:17:25 2019 No.13835560 >>13833428 i pirated it and quit after 10 pages. it's just bad and nobody would care if it wasn't for a bunch of retards on twitter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:21:01 2019 No.13835585 Made me laugh. Great book. Not made to be taken seriously (but still suprisingly profound)

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:30:10 2019 No.13835653

>>13835527
>incomprehensible unless you're intimately familiar with fringe far-right internet culture

Hate to be the one to tell you this, but the joke is on you, bud. What you refer to as "far-right internet culture" is precisely what characters like BAP are subverting/distorting and trying to keep whites away from. It's like a trollish, ironic version of the astroturfed "intellectual dark web."

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:40:23 2019 No.13835711 >>13835653 Lol. What are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:42:12 2019 No.13835721 >>13835366 lol no counter argument

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:04:01 2019 No.13835828 >>13835585 >just turn your brain off man it’s fun

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:15:22 2019 No.13836427 >>13833926 it's an edit, the original has a landwhale looking at a sculpture with rubinesque bodies

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:18:48 2019 No.13836447 >>13834150 >you can say this about anything with a following on the internet Not really, neocons are a thing on the internet but they also exert (or exerted) legit significant influence on American foreign policy.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:22:27 2019 No.13836465

>>13834568
>But the fact that it's the one thing you can't talk about
Yet one thread out of three here is about the jooz. Fun thing, very recently some popular French hack known for sucking up to the jewish community was revealed to have written extremely antisemitic texts in his twenties (I've read excerpt, it makes the worse /pol/tard look like Maimonides). Most of the proeminent Jewish figures in media actually supported him and argued he should be forgiven.
Point is, you can be antisemitic, you just have to be smart about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:23:06 2019 No.13836472 >all the midwit butthurt ITT that this book has caused It's great, very funny and with positive message. Approve.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:25:18 2019 No.13836487

>>13834849
>The enlightenment was an expression of upper class Europeans breaking free from jewish proxy-control
Nope, the Enlightenment was the forerunner of jewish globalism and and explicitly supportive of capitalism. There was even a philosophical movement called the jewish Enlightenment which was part of the more general Enlightenment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:26:33 2019 No.13836499 The fact that Survive the Jive is a big fan of the book makes me want to read it, but it looks so fucking stupid at least from the outset

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:27:30 2019 No.13836505 gobshite written for lost manchildren

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:30:29 2019 No.13836523 >>13836505 t. low T longhouse dweller

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:30:49 2019 No.13836526

>>13836465
"Anti-semitism" is a natural and healthy response to jewish behavior. This damage control just isn't working anymore, and it especially won't work on 4chan where people can usually talk about the jewish question.

It's not everyone else, it's you, and we're nearing the point of critical mass when you'll get the boot again then have to spin up another victim narrative about how how it was others' "anti-semitism" that led to you having to relocate yet again to another people's country.

When will the jewish community get some self-awareness, yeesh!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:32:33 2019 No.13836533 >>13836499 bap paid stj for a positive review. this is common practice among ecelebs. roosh did the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:33:29 2019 No.13836537 >>13836533 proof? not about roosh, don't give a shit about that

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:34:52 2019 No.13836541 >>13836537 can't give you "proof", just ask yourself why stj would make an hour long video about some twitterfags ebook.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:35:44 2019 No.13836544 >>13836541 seething

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:37:56 2019 No.13836556

>>13836487
False. Jews were quite content with the Euro-chattel Christian system, and no one could envision anything different anyway. The universalism the Enlightenment adopted was also an extension of Christian/Jewish universalism that was already embedded in our society and consciousness. There's also nothing wrong with capitalism qua capitalism; what matters is who is in charge of institutions.

Common mistake, though. Most people on the "right" have been fed this false interpretation claiming the Enlightenment is the origin of our present woes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:38:05 2019 No.13836558 >>13836544 about what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:39:04 2019 No.13836562 >>13836541 Because it's popular and trending and he knew his audience were basically the same sort of people that follow BAP. STJ and BAP probably have a ton of crossover in terms of who follows them

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:40:10 2019 No.13836571
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>>13836541
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T WRITE A GOOD BOOK AS AN ANONYMOUS AUTHOR
>NOOOO THE INTERNET CAN'T BE USED TO SPREAD NEW IDEAS
>NOOOO IT CANT BE GOOD MY PUBLIC UNIVERSITY PHILOSOPHY DEPARTMENT DIDN'T COVER IT

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:41:33 2019 No.13836579 >>13836562 >>13836571 >n-no i didn't fall for an e-celeb scam, fuck you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:42:04 2019 No.13836582 >>13836579 post body

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:43:01 2019 No.13836589 >>13836579 I haven't even read the book, I'm the one who said the book looks stupid but that I'm considering to read it just because how much I keep hearing about it, such as STJ doing a video on it

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:44:44 2019 No.13836602

>>13836447
>Not really, neocons are a thing on the internet but they also exert (or exerted) legit significant influence on American foreign policy.
ok and? this does not negate the fact that there is probably some neo con nerds making jokes with each other on the internet.
If you're trying to imply the difference is that one exerts power over American foreign policy thats irrelevant, BAP isn't trying to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:44:49 2019 No.13836603 >>13836582 cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:46:15 2019 No.13836607 >>13836603 disgusting estrogen-filled skinnyfat confirmed

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:47:10 2019 No.13836615 >>13836607 ok

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:50:55 2019 No.13836638

>>13836556
> Jews were quite content with the Euro-chattel Christian system
Not in contradiction with my post, and I'd argue they were even more content with the economically liberal system that followed the French revolution.

>The universalism the Enlightenment adopted was also an extension of Christian/Jewish universalism that was already embedded in our society and consciousness.
Yes, and if you consider Christianity as a form of Jewish control there's no reason to believe modern universalism is any better.
>There's also nothing wrong with capitalism qua capitalism
Capitalism as it was promoted by Enlightenment ideals did massively favor the proeminence of Jewish bankers. A Rothschild is unconceivable under feudalism, he's almost necessary under capitalism.

>Most people on the "right" have been fed this false interpretation claiming the Enlightenment is the origin of our present woes.
I'm not claiming that, I'm claiming that if you want to blame the Jews, the Enlightenment cannot be reasonably analysed as a liberating moment.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:52:40 2019 No.13836654

>>13836526
>and it especially won't work on 4chan where people can usually talk about the jewish question
So is it something you can talk about or something you can't talk about? Make up your mind.

>"Anti-semitism" is a natural and healthy response to jewish behavior.
Is that supposed to be a refutation of my post? I never commented on whether antisemitism was natural or not.

>When will the jewish community get some self-awareness
When you develop the ability to actually adress the point of the posts you're quoting perhaps. I'm not holding my breath.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:56:52 2019 No.13836681

>>13836602
>ok and? this does not negate the fact that there is probably some neo con nerds making jokes with each other on the internet.
Yes, but in this case they're the irrelevant part of a community of opinion that wield actual power as a whole. Which is not the case for BAP's admirers.

>If you're trying to imply the difference is that one exerts power over American foreign policy thats irrelevant
That's relevant to my point, which was that you can't level the "it's just nerd making jokes" criticism against any community. This mostly only applies to community that live and die within the confines of social media.

>BAP isn't trying to
That was not related to my original point but your answer (and others itt) are making me curious. What is he trying to do? Clearly it's not making a contribution to philosophy. If it's also not some form of political call to action, what is it? Unconventional self-help? Cash grab? Something else?

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:02:48 2019 No.13836717

>>13836638
>they were even more content with the economically liberal system that followed the French revolution.
They certainly are, but that doesn't mean they caused it.

>if you consider Christianity as a form of Jewish control there's no reason to believe modern universalism is any better.
All forms of universalism are bad for white people and good for jews.

>Capitalism as it was promoted by Enlightenment ideals did massively favor the proeminence of Jewish bankers.
And that's why the problem is a jewish problem and not a capitalism problem: a people problem.

>I'm claiming that if you want to blame the Jews, the Enlightenment cannot be reasonably analysed as a liberating moment.
But it was! The Enlightenment signified Europeans breaking free from an imposed alien religion that allowed the church and the monarchy to lie to the people and make them them believe knowledge and power was given to them by a jewish God. It was Europeans breaking free and saying fuck that.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:05:13 2019 No.13836725

>>13836681
>Yes, but in this case they're the irrelevant part of a community of opinion that wield actual power as a whole
What makes you think that this has anything to do with what BAP or frog twitter is doing?

>That's relevant to my point, which was that you can't level the "it's just nerd making jokes" criticism against any community
All you said was that its nerds on twitter making jokes and I said this "criticism" could apply to anyone on the internet including neocons.

>That was not related to my original point but your answer (and others itt) are making me curious. What is he trying to do?
Clearly it's not making a contribution to philosophy.
so confirmed for not reading the book. gg 2/10

>If it's also not some form of political call to action, what is it?
if you bothered to read it you'd see its the exactly opposite of political action.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:09:37 2019 No.13836747 >>13833428 It's pretty good.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:30:15 2019 No.13836862

>>13836725
>What makes you think that this has anything to do with what BAP or frog twitter is doing?
Nothing, as I said I was intially commenting on the idea that no communities on the internet share opinions with people with actual power.

>All you said was that its nerds on twitter making jokes
It's always hard to deduce on 4chan but that was another anon.

>I said this "criticism" could apply to anyone on the internet including neocons
And I argue this doesn't apply to all neocons.

>so confirmed for not reading the book. gg 2/10
I didn't read it (never claimed otherwise) but I've seen various /lit/ threads on it, read a couple rather long reviews by people of differing opinions, and read a few excerpts.
There is nothing that suggests either ability or attempt to make a serious philosophical contribution. Even Nietzsche's most pithy aphorisms are clearly fashioned in the French moralist tradition.

So if I'm wrong here (which is very possible) care to post some extract that disproves me?

>if you bothered to read it you'd see its the exactly opposite of political action.
Opposite in what sense? I ask this precisely because I'm curious enough about it to engage in a 4chan thread, but not enough yet to read the entire book (unless your asnwer convinces it's worth it).

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:35:35 2019 No.13836880

>>13836717
>They certainly are, but that doesn't mean they caused it.
Fair enough.

>And that's why the problem is a jewish problem and not a capitalism problem: a people problem.
That doesn't necessarily follow, capitalism promotes the banker anyway, and the banker will be no different from the Jewish banker as long as he has the same economic and legal incentives. John Paulson isn't any better for society at large than Rothschild.

>The Enlightenment signified Europeans breaking free from an imposed alien religion
Meh, they reinstalled a impersonal mechanistic God (really just a slight abstraction from the previous one) soon enough. And that impersonal version was essentially a Spinozian God, amusingly (Spinoza was Jewish, remember?).
By 1792 priest were already "blessing Liberty trees". And French society stay overwhelmingly Catholic long after that.
Also it's debatable whether Catholicism is alien for French people since the French nation was formed as a Catholic nation. Really the conceptual separation doesn't work out too well.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:38:25 2019 No.13836885

>>13836862
>Nothing, as I said I was intially commenting on the idea that no communities on the internet share opinions with people with actual power.
And i was that was irrelevant to BAP and frog twitter.

>And I argue this doesn't apply to all neocons.
False. You can find this all over normie Republican facebook groups,

>I didn't read it (never claimed otherwise) but I've seen various /lit/ threads on it
>trying to criticize something you never read
ok brainlet.

>I've seen various /lit/ threads on it read a couple rather long reviews by people of differing opinions, and read a few excerpts
ok so you know nothing about it.

>There is nothing that suggests either ability or attempt to make a serious philosophical contribution. Even Nietzsche's most pithy aphorisms are clearly fashioned in the French moralist tradition.
read the book and get back to us.

>So if I'm wrong here (which is very possible) care to post some extract that disproves me?
Yes the book itself

>Opposite in what sense?
Read the book
find that there is no call to political action anywhere in it
???
You find your answer.

>I ask this precisely because I'm curious enough about it to engage in a 4chan thread
ok well you're asking a question that's answer is found within reading the book no other people's opinion on said book

You'd think someone on /lit/ in a thread about a specific book would have the vaguest idea of what they're talking about.
Guess not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:54:32 2019 No.13836939 >>13834849 cringe&yikes desu senpai

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:07:54 2019 No.13837005

>>13836880
>capitalism promotes the banker
Capitalism doesn't promote anything. It is not a sentient or uniform entity. The results of capitalistic practices will vary from place to place based on the nature of the *people* who are in charge of the society and its institutions. Since people are different, they will run and oversee institutions that determine the results of capitalistic practices differently.

>John Paulson isn't any better for society at large than Rothschild
Indeed, because both are jewish.

>they reinstalled a impersonal mechanistic God (really just a slight abstraction from the previous one)
Not really. The period following the Enlightenment was prosperous intellectually, economically, and artistically, and led to new interpretations of how society should be run, naturally with attendant concerns about some of the changes that were occurring related to capitalistic practices.

But the actual source of the problem was that the new universalist, post-Enlightenment paradigm over time gave jews the increased freedom they needed to play both sides and ultimately diminish the power of the European aristocracy who was still largely in control of the means of production by advocating *against* capitalism, which they of course no longer do since taking full control and implementing the current global capitalist system that is a reflection of their internationalist nature and produces results that benefit them instead of white people.

>it's debatable whether Catholicism is alien for French people since the French nation was formed as a Catholic nation
Christianity is a semitic religion, period. And the French nation wasn't formed until the French Revolution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:21:04 2019 No.13837058 >>13833456 >t. actual chapofaggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:22:06 2019 No.13837065 >>13833812 Go back.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:24:15 2019 No.13837077 >>13834696 Upboated, comrade! XD you got him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:25:32 2019 No.13837084 >>13835828 Au contraire Anon, I think this book activates the almonds rather well, it just manages to have a sense of humor about it, humor being completely alien of course to midwit autismos such as yourself

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:28:21 2019 No.13837096

>>13833428
Some guy consumed everything The Greeks had to offer, half-digested them, and then vomited it all back up. This book materialized from the filth. You're better off reading the Greeks and completely digesting them yourself.

Also, stop shilling your stupid book retard. Go back on your anarcho-primitivist LARPy ego trip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:28:55 2019 No.13837099 >>13835289 I've only ever seen Marx refer to Jews once and it was in Capital when he said that everything we accuse the jews of would be better said about the capitalist class.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:34:07 2019 No.13837122 >>13834591 Who are you claiming is Jewish?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:36:24 2019 No.13837137 >>13837099 Stop offering input into these threads pls https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:42:14 2019 No.13837176

>>13837099
Marx, ahem, levied many critiques at jews, but he was jewish himself and was mostly doing for show to not look suspect among the aristocratic class he was trying to agitate the overthrow of by the lower proletariat.

>>13837137
Are you aware of the context of that? On the Jewish Question is Marx appealing for the Germans to let jews have institutional power in response to an essay called The Jewish Question by Bruno Bauer. It's pure jewing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:46:15 2019 No.13837201 >>13837096 >anarcho-primitivist If you read the book you would know that he's not that at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:46:29 2019 No.13837203 Twitter was a mistake

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:48:01 2019 No.13837213 No one seems to be able to make a serious criticism of this book. Everyone who dislikes exposes himself as a mental midget.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:54:55 2019 No.13837251 >>13837213 I've seen several. However, the author appeals to some odd primal idol worship in weak men, which is made even odder since it's done by way of Twitter, and thus for some no criticism will suffice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:56:42 2019 No.13837265 >>13833428 Midwit Nassim Taleb

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:57:32 2019 No.13837270 >>13834032 >classical far right thinkers like Evola and Yockey lmao

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:58:18 2019 No.13837271

>>13837251
The only sensible critique I've seen so far is when some guy on twitter said his characterization of Socrates was wrong (I don't know enough to comment). Otherwise most people who dislike it are more along the lines of this fellow >>13833676 who can't even comprehend the ideas in the book, because they're small-minded bugmen.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:01:04 2019 No.13837288

lol when poltards reply to “Jews” in this thread and tell them white people arent fallifn for your crap anymore you’re getting kicked out schlomo is like when Schizos reply to trolls as if they’re genuinely members of the Jesuit order or whatever the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:02:26 2019 No.13837295 >>13837271 It reminds me of how academics completely misunderstand Nietzsche and act like he was really just like a modern liberal, as if he didn't mean what he said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:04:03 2019 No.13837300 >>13836465 Which French hack

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:04:12 2019 No.13837302 >>13837288 haven't jews been kicked out of 109 countries before tho?

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:08:25 2019 No.13837318

>>13837302
desu actually I think more often than not they were merely escorted out by nobles who wanted to keep them safe from those evil bigoted peasants who got angry about being driven into debt slavery and having their children sacrificed. Then they set up shop in a nearby country to do it again, with elite and church support. Our elites have been traitors for centuries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:10:04 2019 No.13837327 >>13837318 >desu fucking word filters

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:14:10 2019 No.13837336 >>13833456 >Says midwit >calls others pseuds. I dont disagree with your general thought, but I have serious qualms with how you state it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:16:31 2019 No.13837348 >>13837318 look up Sicut Judaeis. The church's (and Christianity's) main purpose has always been to defend them from actually being expelled from Europe, to keep them in power.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:36:30 2019 No.13837408

>>13837348
>Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the Jews") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jews. The first bull by that name was issued in about 1120 by Calixtus II and served as a papal charter of protection to Jews. It was prompted by attacks on Jews by the First Crusade, during which over five thousand Jews were slaughtered in Europe. The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

Whites have to rise up and end this relationship once and for all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:44:42 2019 No.13837454 >>13837318 T B H YOURE A REDDIT TOURIST FAGGOT GO BACK AND DILATE MORON

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:45:15 2019 No.13837456

>>13837408
>forbids people from taking Jewish property
i.e. taking back our property and wealth that they stole from us with state protection. Fuck the Church.
>disturbing the celebration of their festivals
The ones where they celebrate all the goyim Yahweh has slain for them over the centuries?

Anyone who can't see that the church has always been our enemy is lying to himself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:04:48 2019 No.13837541 >>13835409 >badly understood anyone who believes in correct interpretations is retarded

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:12:10 2019 No.13837576

>>13837541
That sounds like an idea that would be put forward by the types of people who want to trick everyone by lying about certain authors and books (like is so common with Nietzsche). There are certainly incorrect interpretations, especially of important and well known works of literature. That's how you can trick the most people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:21:54 2019 No.13837626 >>13835653 >>13835711 I'm not sure but I think he's saying that BAP's prescription for right wing rebellion is meant to misslead readers from making actual societal progress?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:32:53 2019 No.13837669 I've only listened to the first episode of this guy's Caribbean podcast and I really like his way of talking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:47:42 2019 No.13837737 >>13837626 To keep them from white identity and the JQ.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:52:48 2019 No.13837764
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>>13833676
>Hey goy, if you want an (((editor))) I'm right here! Your book is unreadable otherwise!
Also
>The Jew literally insulting "blood and soil" because he has no soil and, presumably, no blood either

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:02:09 2019 No.13837800 >>13837764 >because he has no soil and, presumably, no blood either Except for Israel, but they're allowed to have that and we're not allowed to have a country. It's only fair after all the persecution they brought on themselves.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:16:00 2019 No.13837852

>>13833428
The ultimate idea or rather aesthetic is pure fantasy, or better put, a personal fantasy. There is also the constant hatred and snide uncovering of social pretension, the deconstruction of it all to base and more pure ways of interaction, mostly against the state, or rather what the state has produced in the west. Put simply its the man-with-big-stick beating up his employer. The whole thing is inherently egoistic, Donovan as well. But BAP's book has much more of an aesthetic appeal as to form a novel culture around itself. A lot of the insights are demonstrably false, but they ''sound true'', and some of them are, but in like very specific contexts, most of which are not even native to the west.

I enjoyed the style.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:26:26 2019 No.13837885

>>13837852
>The whole thing is inherently egoistic
It seemed to me that he has higher goals and seeks the betterment of humanity and a return to true religion, which is certainly not egoist. Maybe BAP has pretensions about his own superiority that make him sound like an egoist, but I think his vision is for something much greater.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:34:15 2019 No.13837910

>>13837885
Much of that seems to be a facade to me.

>and seeks the betterment of humanity and a return to true religion
The picture that he paints necessitates collapse of the current order of things, i.e. the detriment of most of humanity. The ethics which are a facade for the aesthetics are inherently hyper-exclusive, servicing a single individual ultimately. There is nothing wrong with that of course. Think of it what is is in practical terms, read between the lines.

>true religion
Take that and apply the content of my initial post to it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:34:25 2019 No.13837912

>>13837885
Peep how weak this dude sounds. Some Twitter anon is his hero and he clearly has an emotional connection to him similar to the types who go around telling everyone how Tony Robins or self help guru x changed their life. Fucking pathetic. Ring me when your western male chauvinist yogi talks about white interests.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:47:04 2019 No.13837950

>>13837910
>necessitates collapse of the current order of things
Clearly this system is trying to suppress healthy instincts and needs to collapse if things are to be corrected.
>the detriment of most of humanity
Well yeah, most people aren't worth saving if you care about the quality of life and aren't just interested in increasing sheer quantity of biomass.
>The ethics which are a facade for the aesthetics are inherently hyper-exclusive, servicing a single individual ultimately
That doesn't make sense. He is exhorting people to join in these goals. I really don't see it as individualistic, maybe I'm projecting my thoughts into the book or you are. I see the book as a call to create a higher type of man, in contradiction of the values of the current system that tries to crush higher life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:55:16 2019 No.13837968 >>13837912 >Ring me when your western male chauvinist yogi talks about white interests he does do this, just not usually explicitly. Presumably this helps avoid censorship. Whether that's a good way of doing it is a different question.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:03:44 2019 No.13837993

>>13837950

>Well yeah, most people aren't worth saving if you care about the quality of life and aren't just interested in increasing sheer quantity of biomass.
Biomass is a byproduct, not an aim in itself though it can be sometimes.
I like to simplify it to thermodynamics really. Whether they are worth saving is irrelevant and again points to the exclusivity of anything similar to BAP. Its anarchistic to the core, the emancipated mannerbund raping and murdering as they wish. It would be foolish to think history would not repeat itself again. Judging by the formation of early agricultural city-states. The dialectic of the human machinery in bondage to the men with the big sticks.

>Clearly this system is trying to suppress healthy instincts and needs to collapse if things are to be corrected.
Sure, the system is selecting, the issue of these instincts and functions becoming unnecessary or counter productive to such a system do cause some issues. It is irrelevant whether it needs to collapse, all sings do seem to point to an inevitable scramble of states trying to get a grip and fracturing under the neo-Malthusian hellscape they will engender.

>That doesn't make sense. He is exhorting people to join in these goals. I really don't see it as individualistic, maybe I'm projecting my thoughts into the book or you are. I see the book as a call to create a higher type of man, in contradiction of the values of the current system that tries to crush higher life.
Sure, projection is a constant, no way around that. But the guy is a human, and humans read his works, humans have predictable emotional responses and interests. Its not hard to read between the lines and see that in the writings. I did not say it was individualistic though, not as a covert ideological stance, but rather a psychological constant which seeps into the book itself. It is a man spilling out his desires, his ideas into others minds, his hopes onto the world. Surely if you agree you'd lend him your energy?

>call to create a higher type of man
What sort of man is that, who is that man, to what attributes does he correlate, by the virtue of what are they higher?

>He is exhorting people to join in these goals
He.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:12:21 2019 No.13838019

>>13837993
>It would be foolish to think history would not repeat itself again
That actually is a criticism of the book that I've thought of. We got into this shitty position because Aryans who conquered lower races allowed them to proliferate and become an existential danger and ultimately take over. It sounds like he is just calling for a continuation of this process, which happened to the Greeks, Romans, Indians, Hittites, Spanish, and so many more. A break from the pattern is needed.

>What sort of man is that, who is that man, to what attributes does he correlate, by the virtue of what are they higher?
I don't know but it's certainly something we should be thinking about and trying to figure out and work toward (strength, intelligence, beauty are a good start). Right now we are degenerating, improvement is certainly possible even if difficult.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:27:10 2019 No.13838066 Bronze Reactionary Age American Pervert

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:38:00 2019 No.13838096

>>13838019

>I don't know but it's certainly something we should be thinking about and trying to figure out and work toward (strength, intelligence, beauty are a good start). Right now we are degenerating, improvement is certainly possible even if difficult.

>strength, intelligence, beauty
Lets not pretend these are not inherited traits. There is no improving here save for eugenics and some future possible genetic engineering. But these as ideals in the context of culture though, they seem to be an issue of scale, which is really to say of enforcement be it subtle or overt, it will always be that, for how is anything conserved otherwise? Which leads onto:

>Right now we are degenerating, improvement is certainly possible even if difficult.
On what scale? One thing I agree with is the notion of small-scale networks, but this is more of a necessity rather than an option considering the nature of the current epoch. Which goes back to what I either said or implied, that the logical conclusion for this strain of thought is just that. But at that point you are waiting for the kingdom of god to open itself and give you a means of escape. I doubt there is any possibility of remedy for this ''degeneration'', the culture wont change no matter who is in office (in the case of America but generally for all developed nations and even most of the developing ones), I use this as shorthand for political influence of course. The culture has been thoroughly separated from the state, with the latter acting as mere curator and protector. There is no path to power, there is only the waiting game, the fantasy which spills out to reify itself in violence against ideological opponents in a show-street war or some shit lol.

>We got into this shitty position because Aryans who conquered lower races allowed them to proliferate and become an existential danger
This is not really true. The shitty position is here because of things so detached from these things that it is irrelevant. Technology, capitalism, democratization, the separation of state and culture, and agriculture, really. But then again, why is this a shitty position, I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:40:13 2019 No.13838105 >>13833428 Has some great moments when he talks about the coming matriarchy in the Islamic world, cultures who pursue beauty, and the traits of tech workers A lot of gay retarded pagan LARP though

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:22:49 2019 No.13838666 Bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:53:24 2019 No.13838729 >>13838105 >A lot of gay retarded pagan LARP though there is no pagan larping at all what are you talking about

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:56:57 2019 No.13838738 its good, you will submit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 07:03:52 2019 No.13838762 >>13834696 that wall is beautiful

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 07:26:34 2019 No.13838829

>>13833428
>but it's poorly written.
you gay retard, your post is poorly written, lazy and reddit spacing. BAP is funny, high energy and good prose style, just admit that you don't like his politics and stop pretending its about technical aspects of writing. the intro to BAM alone is >>>>>>> anything you and all the other losers affecting superiority will ever write in your life

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:01:54 2019 No.13839860 interesting

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:53:53 2019 No.13840410 >>13837077 >because trumptards aren't rdt

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:04:40 2019 No.13840930 >>13838829 Bronze Age Pervert seems to be running a cult given the sound of some of these responses. Don't disparage our leader! Does BAP even talk about jews btw?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:07:44 2019 No.13840960 >>13840930 The NuRight are just retarded. They don't know they are individualist cultists just like the left.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:51:30 2019 No.13842250 >>13833428 The guy who wrote is was literally a FBI glow in the dark pet for his handlers and a literal monkey/ Foreskin eater

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:05:52 2019 No.13842313 >>13835828 leftoids were the first in introducing irony to make political points. you don't like now faggot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:19:22 2019 No.13842374 >>13842250 go on...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:53:59 2019 No.13842563 >>13840930 its literally BAP shilling himself

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:49:05 2019 No.13842829

The broken Slavic grammar is a put on, right? The writing improved noticably towards the end. It's like the author had enough of trying to dumb down his voice. Personally, I felt it detracted from my enjoyment of the book. Communicate plainly if you don't have a firm commitment to an aethstetic.

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