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[Anonymous No.13798311]

Why is reality so inferior to fiction ?

[Anonymous No.13798341]

>>13798311
Because fiction is reality with all the shit that doesn't matter removed and the interesting life events of 100 real people crammed inside 1 fictional person.

[Anonymous No.13798357]

>>13798341
I mena that you could live the most exciting life anyone has ever lived (Xtreme sport , become a double agent , president, fight in WW3) but it would still pale to millions of fictional adventures , you will never live in middle earth , you will never get superpowers and save the world So what's the point ?

[Anonymous No.13798362]

>>13798357
There is none.

Every man worth his salt knows death is the best you can hope for.

[Anonymous No.13798374]

>>13798362
So all we can do is imagine happiness while never attaining it , until eternal darkness kicks in ?

[Anonymous No.13798376]

YOU NEED TO BE 18 TO POST HERE

[Anonymous No.13798379]

>>13798374
Yep.

>Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will also regret that; hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both. This, gentlemen, is the sum and substance of all philosophy.

[Anonymous No.13798386]

>>13798374
No. growing up in this era, watching movies and playing games and consuming all kinds of entertainment before actually living warped your idea of what real life is. Stop consuming media and live your life as the protagonist.. You may not be a world savior but at least you'll stop posting such threads.

[Anonymous No.13798397]

>>13798311

Because life imitates art

[Anonymous No.13798400]

>>13798397
you are so stupid

[Anonymous No.13798410]

>>13798311
it's not. the reality we're living in is the most information dense one that we can experience.
fiction, of all types, is nowhere near as dense as reality is when it comes to the sheer amount of information it takes to form it.

[Anonymous No.13798412]

>>13798400

Have you read Wilde's "The soul of man under socialism"?

fiction isn't art

reality isn't life

[Anonymous No.13798417]

>>13798412
have you read my book "youre so godamn dense"?

[Anonymous No.13798441]

>>13798417

I'd rather be dense tham damned but since you're the author, do you claim omnipotence to insinuate a presupposition of having been read?

[Anonymous No.13798445]

>>13798386
Even if i grew up and ancient Greek i would still look at awe at the gods, wonder what it would be like to live on mount Olympic and i would still think that none of my achievements will ever compare to those of Hercules

[Anonymous No.13798464]

>>13798441
consult my book "ill beat you faggot 2" for the answer

[Anonymous No.13798466]

Is it really?
I don't recall any fiction writers writing about a world war between countries that became cults for slavic workers and germanic people.
I also don't recall any fiction writer writing about a priest that started a cult moved to guinea and made everyone drink poisoned koolaid.
I could go on...
I think the 20th century will go down in history as the strangest time period.

[Anonymous No.13798469]

>>13798311
ordinary people are stupid animals

[Anonymous No.13798487]

Fiction creates a world where everything plays to what the author wants. Even the most soul crushing nihilistic fiction is superior to reality, as there is at least a reason (the author's sadism) as to why things are so terrible.

[Anonymous No.13798495]

>>13798487
>as there is at least a reason (the author's sadism) as to why things are so terrible.
The same could be said about God.

[Anonymous No.13798511]

>>13798495
But for most of us life isn't a sadistic struggle ,it's just one boring day after the other

[Anonymous No.13798530]

>>13798445
Interesting take, well I guess there's a natural tendency for humans to look pursue as meaningful a life as possible, but then again its mostly a constructed lie we tell ourselves.. as we're mortals after all. Read the denial of death by becker for a deep take on the human condition (my opinion), in which he tells that basically we make up a ruse/story about our self importance and interesting things to do to cope with our mortal condition.

[Anonymous No.13798544]

>Read about Europe of the 1850s-1950s with its charming locality and distinct culture
>visit said places today among hordes of instagramming tourists, anglo-Western culture everywhere
Truly a devastating feel

[Anonymous No.13798555]

>>13798511
It adds up.

[Anonymous No.13798585]

>tfw you realize escapism is the ultimate pursuit in life

[Anonymous No.13798588]

>>13798585
>just imagine this Pepe
That's actually great advice.

[Anonymous No.13798589]

>>13798311
Don't worry, Dimensional Merge is upon us, brother.

[Anonymous No.13798598]

Your mind is poisoned. The brain did not evolve for ficticious stimulation, it evolved to guide you through the world and succeed. Loving fiction this much is similar to being a fat fuck who eats only sugar.
Embrace the real.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13798608]

>>13798311
Because of this very attitude. You and your kind cheapen the actual world in favor of a sweet little lie.
Congrats, fucker.

[Anonymous No.13798609]

>>13798585
>>13798588
the new joker movie will unironically reinforce this principle guys, I highly recommend you guys watch it when it comes out

[Anonymous No.13798617]

>>13798311
(Good) fiction actually speaks of a reality of a higher order than the reality which immediately surrounds you. Latter "reality" is inferior to the former in the same way the water at the bottom of the stream is inferior to the water at the source.

[Anonymous No.13798650]

>>13798585
I used to think this.. But I realized its not. Having success in the real world gives a sense of fulfilment greater than any escapistic activity. Of course its much more costly in terms of effort.

[Anonymous No.13798660]

>>13798598
Your pathetic pursuit of arbitrary goals like money and power is just as idiotic as fiction.

[Anonymous No.13798682]

>>13798386
I guess it's natural for some people to live like they're the protagonists. However, when your abilities constantly disappoint you, never seem to improve, and you end up relegated to a life of utterly meaningless and miserable wage slavery, it is impossible to view yourself as an admirable protagonist. Personally, I've grown to think of myself as the comic relief idiot, at first it hurt, but now I've learned to laugh at myself.

[Anonymous No.13798695]

>>13798660
Why? What is a better pursuit than money and power, and why is it better for me specifically?

[Anonymous No.13798706]

>>13798617
Man, this reality sucks.

[Anonymous No.13798713]

>>13798544
>visit luzerne, where my grandmother waited out world war 2
>chink boomers everywhere with dslrs
>gook runes etched on centuries old architecture

[Anonymous No.13798733]

>>13798650

"Success" for itself is hollow and base. It speaks to no higher ideal. It's the hedonic treadmill. Now if you're working to embody or glorify an ideal, then you're onto something satisfying; but that's a form of escapism in my book -- using your imagination to embroider the world around you, laying over it a layer of sunlight. Religion, spirituality: tremendous escapist copes to enliven the world of forms and make it habitable. Have you ever seen those Augmented Reality goggles, like Microsoft is developing with their Hololens? That's the updated version.

If you aren't escaping from reality 24/7, are you really living, friend?

[Anonymous No.13798750]

>>13798733
No higher ideal holds up to scrutiny. Where were the higher ideals when the cartel sicced their dogs to bite man's dick off and tear into the formed cavity? Nowhere. They were destroyed by a witless dog, the neurons that formed them fried by pain and death terror. The only truths in this life are our biological imperatives, and the best life would be get the most reward from them on average, be it from success in whatever form - money, sex, entertainment, intellectual exercise, or just plain old drugs, doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.13798755]

>>13798733

*to enliven the PHYSICAL world, not world of forms; my bad

[Anonymous No.13798765]

>>13798311

Reality is FAR worse than fiction, so at least in horror it is unparalled.

Think of the thousands of kids annually raped and tortured and eaten in hollywood and switserland etc. By jews, royalty, and industry/media globo elites

[Anonymous No.13798769]

>>13798695
>Why?
Because it's immensely idiotic to think the greatest use of your time on earth is collecting the most mammoth pelts and becoming second under-chief of the tribe.
>What is a better pursuit than money and power
Pursuits in and of themselves are idiotic. If you want to read, then read. If you want to run, then run. If you want to fuck, then fuck. That's all power and money is, the ability to make other people do what you want, it's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.13798777]

>>13798750

The ideal has nothing to do with reality, that's why it's an ideal and that's why it's an escapist cope. It speaks to the soul, not flesh. If it represented how things actually are, it wouldn't be an ideal; it'd be reality.

This is why fiction is so powerful. Your imagination can create worlds -- and moments -- worth living in that beat the pants off simple reality. Viewing life through a strictly materialist, nihilist lens is perhaps the most unfiltered way to see it, but good luck finding contentment or joy. Cioran was right -- and it didn't make him any less miserable.

Now let's pray, because the alternative is too terrible to entertain.

[Anonymous No.13798787]

>>13798769
You seem underaged

[Anonymous No.13798812]

>>13798660
>pursuit of arbitrary goals like money and power is just as idiotic as fiction
Narrator: "It was not."

[Anonymous No.13798818]

>>13798769
>Because it's immensely idiotic to think the greatest use of your time on earth is collecting the most mammoth pelts and becoming second under-chief of the tribe.
What is a better use of my time, and why?

>That's all power and money is, the ability to make other people do what you want, it's pathetic.
Pathetic? So it's all about your ego then, same as any other want.

[Anonymous No.13798823]

>>13798787
I know for a fact you're around 21 years old, probably younger. You wouldn't spout such simplistic, childish opinions with such conviction otherwise.

[Anonymous No.13798826]

>>13798818
>What is a better use of my time, and why?
Whatever you honestly feel like doing, because anything else is a waste of your life.

No one honestly feels like they want money and power, they just trade those for what they really want. What do you really want?

[Anonymous No.13798827]

>>13798777
You can't follow an ideal in irony, and if you truly believe it then it's a feeling of belief rather than a consideration of it as truth because it's obviously untrue. How is it possible then to believe what you know is false? The only true believers in religion I see are those who grew up and lived nothing but it. The moment they foster doubt all belief is gone and replaced by agonizing and meandering philosophizing.

[Anonymous No.13798830]

>>13798826
If no one honestly wanted power then mankind would not exist.

[Anonymous No.13798847]

>>13798823
Let me put it clearly then. Whatever philosophy you found to suit your happy little life just happened to be pursuit of ideals. Incidentally, I had the same philosophy when I myself was a sheltered adolescent. Live a life where you're constantly abused for your powerlessness and you will develop a philosophy that prioritizes a pursuit of power rather than ideals. It wasn't age or knowledge that changed my philosophy, but the circumstances of my life.

[Anonymous No.13798867]

>>13798830
Explain yourself.

>>13798847
So you're just a child lashing out because you were picked on?

[Anonymous No.13798883]

>>13798867
Yeah that's pretty much what I am. I can't really pursue an ideal while I'm being picked on, so I need to focus on getting power first.

[Anonymous No.13798886]

fiction is literally real and I figuratively believe this

[Anonymous No.13798890]

>>13798311
We currently live in hypereality. Which is like reality but worse.

[Anonymous No.13798909]

>>13798812

From Reddit's lips to God's ears.

[Anonymous No.13798993]

>>13798827

"Feeling of belief" is exactly right -- it hasn't a thing to do with empirical truth, and once you realize that, you're free to indulge without any dissonance, the same way you might revel in your "irrational" love of a sweetheart. Organized religion isn't my bag personally, because it relies on you believing foundational empirical truths (resurrections, miracles, etc.) that are impossible to prove, and that spoils their packaged ideals. In this way, "spiritual but not religious" is as much a valid path for happiness as it is a cliche.

If you can separate physical truth and spiritual ideal in your mind, there are no more barriers to surmount. I *feel* much better when I open my heart to whatever unknown, mysterious, beautiful energies there are in the universe and will my love towards them; I *feel* happier when I contemplate being connected to everything lovely. I don't need to rationally apprehend the material substance of this Great Other, whatever you want to call it -- in fact to do so would undermine it, as its power comes from its very unreality, the same way a story would not be a story were you to live it. The highest beauty is that which you cannot grasp. There is something profound about reaching your heart towards some higher intelligence, higher order -- I don't think it's a coincidence that spirituality is ubiquitous through the history of humanity. It's the ultimate cope, and at its best can make even the most humble, troublesome life worth living.

[Ivrivs !!GgBWHLRiayD No.13799044]

>>13798311
Fantasy reveals potential reality; Reality reveals actualized potentiality; thus, (ideal) fantasy impels reality. Reality becomes inferior, in excellence, to fantasy, when it is conflated with, and/or limited to, fatalism, and/or materialism.

[Anonymous No.13799070]

>>13798311
Fiction displays truth through imaginary events - we don't crave the events, but the truth

[Anonymous No.13799912]

>>13798357
I assure you that daily life in the middle earth would be frustrating and even once you save the world boredom would ensue.
The pleasure is in the action and the delusion that your goal once accomplished will satisfy you.
Unironically read Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.13800074]

>>13798311
because you've been brainwashed into thinking that reality is something you observe, something you take as it is, rather than something you participate in and mold. we've become mere spectators. why does fiction seem so appealing? because most good fiction was written in a time when people could actually participate in life, history, reality, so the story reflects this. times when you could actually walk around a city or go on a *real* journey and not just a "drive" or a "flight." the towns were centralized like in pokemon for example. you know how they would always go from town to town on foot and they had to travel through a forest or something for a couple days to get there and they would have adventures and comfy campfires with brock cooking shit in a big pot? that shit actually existed (minus the pokemon obviously). now everything is highways and cars and the towns are just arbitrary lines that divide jurisdiction. and thats just the physical difference, not even the fact that you had ethnically pure countries where people were highly trusting and could actually talk to strangers and shit. its like its not even real life anymore. fiction is closer to how reality should be, how its always been, than the reality we're living in right now. we're living in the fiction, not the reality. we're living in a dystopian nightmare world that would disturb anyone born before 1900 to their bones if they knew how things were for us.

[Anonymous No.13800113]

>>13798311
Because I'm in it.

[Anonymous No.13800174]

>>13798311
It isn't. I don't think a lot of people get what a fucking miracle being alive is (ready for someone to interject saying b-b-but there's so much suffering in life!)

[Anonymous No.13800244]

>>13800174
!

[Anonymous No.13800324]

>>13800174
>the blessing of taking a shit

[Anonymous No.13800329]

>>13800324
that's what your mom felt after giving birth to you

[Anonymous No.13800348]

>>13800329
Don't project what your mommy felt on others

[Anonymous No.13800523]

>>13799912
In the real world there is no happy ever after end screen , perhaps after aragorn saved middle earth he got bored and drank himself to depression

[Anonymous No.13800536]

>>13800348
Think about what you posted. Someone made a throwaway joke that wasn't even really insulting you personally and you felt obliged to reply "no thats true of u not me." What's the point? Makes me feel sick to see a post like this. Waste of life.

[Anonymous No.13800565]

>>13800523
How would that affect his tax policy?

[Anonymous No.13800583]

>>13798311

Because reality doesn't include your precious fucking anime girls uguu~~~

[Anonymous No.13800590]

>>13798311
Reality is more horrifying than the worst thing you can imagine.

[Anonymous No.13800712]

>>13800536
Kys

[Anonymous No.13800752]

>>13800565
Yeah after i wrote that , i realised that i sounded like George. But after i thought more about it i realised that it's outside of character for him.
Even if aargorn had nothing to do he will always be a good optimistic person and he will still find purpose in helping people even in the most trivial of things

[Anonymous No.13800759]

>>13800590
That's definitely not true

[Anonymous No.13800765]

>>13798311
Because the Universe is infitely more creative than a single person, and brings things forth without effort and without thinking.

[Anonymous No.13800789]

>>13798311
The Universe is infinitely more creative than a single person, and brings things forth without effort and without thinking.

[Anonymous No.13800857]

This has the answer to your question

[Anonymous No.13800893]

>>13800857
Can you summarize interesting points that he brings up.
It's a drag having to "look" for it

[Anonymous No.13800906]

>>13798362
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.13800979]

>>13800893
Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.

[Anonymous No.13800981]

>>13798609
t. designated shooter
YOLO, OP. Live like you're doing. Carpe diem. Just do it
Also underaged

[Anonymous No.13801021]

>>13800979
Based

[Anonymous No.13801678]

>>13798311
Because fiction has to have sense or you don't buy it, because karma exist on it and because it has wish fulfilment.

[Anonymous No.13801818]

You just have no imagination. Saged