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13657022 No.13657022 [Reply] [Original]

If we have free will then why are we obliged to eat, breath and work?

>> No.13657041

because you have constraints in the material universe that are required to sustain yourself, like aliment. but people starve themselves every day, and quit their jobs. you have the free will to do the same lol

>> No.13657084

>>13657041
but I want to do whatever I want without dying

>> No.13657108

>>13657084

you're going to die anyway, don't be so attached to your body

>> No.13657121

>>13657108
>Implying there is anything about me that will continue to exist without my body being alive

>> No.13657128

>>13657108
but where is my free will to not die?

>> No.13657151

>>13657121

well thats wrong. even from a materialistic perspective the worms are going to eat you, the birds are going to eat the worms, and shit that out to fertilize the trees, and the trees will produce fruit...ad infinitum. everything that is here has already been here and will continue to be here forever

>>13657128

i don't make the rules man, i just understand them

>> No.13657152
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13657152

>>13657022
>2019
>Retards still deluding themselves over free will

>> No.13657159

>>13657022
>why are we obliged to eat, breath and work?
we aren't

>> No.13657172

damn

>> No.13657193

>>13657159
That was a poor argument from anon to suggest that free will doesn't exist but do not think free will does exist because is withstands retardation.

>> No.13657194

>>13657022
To maintain the vessel with which you carry out your free will; even then, there are still constraints (you can will to fly, but you are not able to without the aid of a device).

>>13657084
Cool

>>13657121
Yes, implying.

>>13657128
You can will not to die. You are doing it this moment, or else you would not bathe, eat, drink, etc. However, freedom of will does not imply omnipotence.

>>13657159
This anon is also correct and has summarized the daily life of at least 75% of this board

>> No.13657222

>>13657194
so you are saying only god is free?

>> No.13657231

>>13657222
>Implying a supreme being exists.

>> No.13657289

>>13657159
Such brainism. You were created to maintain the metabolism of the body in a superior way than other beings. You are human's property, it's not the other way around. You're not a human but a person.
>>13657152
it's just illness, a malfuction. Should amputate those malfunctioning heads.

>> No.13657318

>>13657222
God is omnipotent and has free will, it seems. We are not omnipotent but we have free will. If God wanted to erase all humanity (we won't delve into reasons), he could. He could also will to do this (meaning that he wouldn't be doing this against his will). Of course, I'm not using the Christian God in this example, just a fictional God fabricated for the purposes of this post.

We, on the other hand, have free will but not omnipotence. You can want to erase all humanity but more often than not can't (or at least not entirely).

>>13657231
>have sex
>implying
>cope
>seethe
rinse and repeat ad infinitum

>> No.13657855

>>13657151
It's not wrong. Whatever I am is contingent on me being alive. If I'm no longer living then whatever I am ceases to be. If I clip my nail, that nail is no longer me, but something else. If my hand is amputated, that hand is no longer mine. They both originated from me, but once disconnected to whatever I am, they are no longer what I am. Where an object originated from is not what that thing is.

As for something being 'about' me, what you said still incorrect as I am not what I was a moment ago when I clipped my nail. My being is in a continuous flux of becoming, I don't simultaneously exist as I am now and as I was 5 minutes ago. Who I was in the past is distinct from who I am now. If I were to upload my consciousness to a computer(if it was even possible), the moment that is done something has changed about my mental state, and in order for that copy of my consciousness on the computer to be 'me,' it would need a continuous stream of snapshots uploaded to it. Once my history has diverged from something, it is no longer a part of me or about me.