/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13542413]

>cumbrain
But why is erotica considered lowbrow? Watching porn, casual hookups, fucked up fetishes, etc. are an integral experience of 21st century life. How can an author be the "voice of a generation" if they aren't portraying the way people actually act? Which living author has the capacity to be the next Marquis de Saade?

[Anonymous No.13542417]

This isn't "intellectual /b/." Fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.13542448]

Erotica probably shouldn't be conflated with pornography. Now take into account the vast swathes of pornographic content readily available to just about anyone with an internet connection. Since finding material is trivial and you can just as easily get off to a still image or a video hosted on some site as you can to, say, some 20 hour H-game with 30+ scenes (which would theoretically require at least some level of patience), it's very easy to satisfy one's needs. To portray the way people actually act, you'd have to stop yourself from constantly enjoying pornography since it convinces your brain that low effort is the way to go about sating yourself. While possible, it is difficult to escape the porn vortex once you get stuck in it.

[Anonymous No.13542455]

I'm a virgin scared of sex, if I can't have it, that means not getting it is a virtue! This way I can focus on my NEET lifestyle and be a great philosopher/writer.

[Anonymous No.13542454]

>They don't Permafap

[Anonymous No.13542457]

>>13542413
there is plenty of literature that deals with that subject matter thats considered real sustantive lit.
try crash by ballard or atomised by houllebecq

[Anonymous No.13542462]

>>13542455
I'm a degenerate scared of virtue, so I'm going to make fun of virtuous people! This way I can focus on my DREGLING lifestyle and be a great sinner.

[Anonymous No.13542468]

>>13542455
you can only become a great writer by living life you retard incel

[Anonymous No.13542478]

>>13542462
It's not a virtue to be an incel, in fact, quite the opposite. If nobody is even interested in you, that means you are fundamentally repulsive in some way.
Be in an awful personality, hatred of women, or just plain ugliness - it is your own fault, a sin.

[Anonymous No.13542480]

>>13542468
Nice meme

[Anonymous No.13542496]

>>13542480
You think you can hide being an incel? People, even the dumbest, are really good at one thing: spotting somebody's place in the pecking order. Same thing that makes you an incel in real life, will mark your work, making it fundamentally unappealing.

[Anonymous No.13542529]

Why have sex?

[Anonymous No.13542531]

>>13542413
>the way people actually act

Which ones?

[Anonymous No.13542536]

>>13542413
>How can an author be the "voice of a generation"
They should not be, authors should turn their eyes towards the universal
>>13542478
One's virtue is not defined by his popularity among others
>>13542496
Your work is not you, and it should never be

[Anonymous No.13542540]

the trick is to dive straight down into the bottom of the porn barrel, break through it and then stop.

[Anonymous No.13542585]

>>13542536
>One's virtue is not defined by his popularity among others
The pride of an incel: other people can't possibly be good, or see good in others; popularity is therefore irrelevant, and that has nothing to do with the fact that you're not popular. We're not even talking about strictly popularity here, just the ability to attract a wife - you probably think women are only attracted to bad boys, but you've been nice to them, open doors and stuff, and they still don't give you any pussy! oh humanity

>Your work is not you, and it should never be
What fucking planet do you live on? Do you seriously believe everything you create is actually God working through you, some divine revelation? There is no way in hell that the garbage you make doesn't stink just like you do.

[Anonymous No.13542608]

>>13542540
wow man...thats heavy

[Anonymous No.13542638]

>>13542585
>other people can't possibly be good, or see good in others; popularity is therefore irrelevant
Other people can be good, and do see good in others, but all this has no bearing on the value of popularity
>Do you seriously believe everything you create is actually God working through you, some divine revelation?
Yes, the factors that influence one's writing are different to those that influence his personality (if one writes well)
>There is no way in hell that the garbage you make doesn't stink just like you do.
Good writers have been odious persons

[Anonymous No.13542674]

>>13542638
>>Do you seriously believe everything you create is actually God working through you, some divine revelation?
>Yes,

Topkek, what delusions of grandeur. You truly are a saint with that humility. Why not take it further; not just your work, but your every action is a divine act.

All praise Anonymous poster #13542638! The second coming of our Lord! Disclaimer: he could also possibly be the antichrist, but we're not sure yet.

[Anonymous No.13542676]

>>13542413
meanwhile i love that all men dream to have the same power over roasties as the power of roasties over men. YOU JUST KNOW that men want to have the easy life of sluts and make roasties compete for them, then just pick the slut of the week, like women do. YOU JUST KNOW that men want to be loved just for existing...

[Anonymous No.13542683]

>>13542413
Erotica is lowbrow because it relies on sympathy, which is a lower emotion because it bolsters our ego and therefore drives us away from the truth

[Anonymous No.13542861]

>>13542683
why the assumption thtat truth is a good thing? baka

[Anonymous No.13542877]

>>13542413
Porn isn't erotic

[Anonymous No.13542885]

>>13542413
>But why is erotica considered lowbrow?
Because it is about satisfying your instincts.

>How can an author be the "voice of a generation" if they aren't portraying the way people actually act?
You are right, he can't.
You have to be a degenerate cumbrain to be the voice of this generation, so much is true.

>Which living author has the capacity to be the next Marquis de Saade?
The books is dead, cumbrain.
Porno actors are the voice of this generation.

[Anonymous No.13542888]

>>13542413
Smut = identification with sexuality, which is the animal instinct.
Any introduction to sexuality in the higher mind is regressive. The will of nature should be harnessed, not indulged in.

[Anonymous No.13542924]

>>13542413
>Why is obesity considered lowbrow? Overeating, fast food, fetishizing gluttony, etc. are an integral experience of 21st century life.

[Anonymous No.13542934]

You don't know what erotica means

[Anonymous No.13543203]

>>13542861
truth is power, and power is everything

[Anonymous No.13543225]

>all the constant high stimulants to every sense you have
>"pol told me it's that five minutes of porn haha guys i speak science see: cns hypofrontality brain malfunction over stimuli serotonin prolactin dopamine receptor insensitivity psychology nerves hormones"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115160/
tl;dr masturbation doesn't cause hypofrontality
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799
tl;dr sex releases more prolactin and prolactin isn't the evil hormone that is preventing you from getting a qt3,14 redhead gf
excessive constant noise, bright colors and general constant and excessive stimuli can be far more damaging than wanking to gangbangs (which is also damaging but less).

[Anonymous No.13543245]

>>13542885
read the pleasure of the text. get over your repression, pal.

[Anonymous No.13543274]

>>13543225
>tl;dr
>tl;dr
Fuck off back to r*ddit, you are seriously cancer and nobody wants you here.

[Anonymous No.13543480]

>>13542417
fpbp

[Anonymous No.13543655]

>>13543225
the first link is just academic nitpickery

>We are open to the notion that frontal impairment might make people vulnerable to a variety of over-indulgences, which can subsequently lead to substance dependence, maladaptive coping patterns, poor judgment, impulsivity or emotional disturbance, which people may seek to escape by turning to problematic behaviors, such as the case with many pathological gamblers. However, given the lack of studies designed to infer causality, we find it difficult to readily assume the converse — that these diverse dysfunctional behaviors lead to common frontal dysregulation or any cortical atrophy worthy of mention.
>d-d-dude there's so many things that can cause this impairment so u cant no nuffin! keep wanking to black tranny bukkakke gangbangs kids!

[Anonymous No.13543669]

>>13542455
Chances are your inexperience/lack of knowledge w/r/t sex will bleed over into your writing and people will think that you're either a repressed homosexual or a pedophile. When you're intent on avoiding a subject in your writing, readers will often find themselves drawn to the space where the topic SHOULD be.

[Anonymous No.13543674]

>>13543655
Seems a reasonable point to me. I'd take a healthy dose of skepticism over a retarded 4chan infographic that isn't as self-scrutinising

[Anonymous No.13543682]

>>13543225

[Anonymous No.13543702]

>Argument 1
Everyone who engages in sex is depraved.
>Argument 2
Lmao fucking looser, get laid.

The truth is that there are only two correct ways regarding sexuality: either as an expression of mutual love and a means of procreation in an heterosexual marriage or, in those that have the strength and calling, abstention and monastic life. Every deviation from this is an abomination.

[Anonymous No.13543732]

>>13543655
correlation doesn't equal causation retard.
also read the rest of their criticisms against the brain damage claims.
most things in excess can be damaging but Hilton and Watts claim that excessive pornographic use has the same physical damage as fucking cocaine addiction while not providing any sufficient evidence.
the study acknowledges the potential damage of excessive pornographic usage on relationships, sexual and social life but it rejects the claim that pornography causes significant brain atrophy.
drawing such conclusions while being accurate is very hard because people who use porn in excess tend to share a lot of other similar features like being unable to have sex due to physical appearance, lacking in social and communication skills, having lesser friends, having a less healthy lifestyle, not leaving their home as much as others do, etc. all that needs to be accounted for and you need to have a control sample for a study to be sufficient

[Anonymous No.13543735]

>>13543225
>>13543655
Has nobody noticed that the first link has a commentary directly below the initial text responding to the claims of those authors (who all seem to be psychiatrists and psychologists vs the neuroscientists they are critiquing)?

[Anonymous No.13543789]

>>13543702
the puritans called, they want you to come back

[Anonymous No.13543808]

>>13543735
yeah and it btfos them too, this dingus posted the link without reading it, probably got it from some reddit porn board

>Our premise is that selective atrophy of cortical areas associated with reward pathways may be viewed in a neuromodulatory light, given current research confirming neuroplasticity in overindulgence in natural rewards, specifically sexuality. The inability of those challenging our conclusions to understand even the most basic of these concepts is illustrated by their comments about specific processes. For instance, their dismissal of the importance of ΔFosB is illustrated by their manifest lack of insight into the research concerning this protein. While mentioning that stress can induce ΔFosB, they fail to understand that the pattern of expression with stress extends broadly across both dynorphin+ and enkephalin+ medium spiny neurons and is not confined to dynorphin+ medium spiny neurons as it is in the overexpression associated with overconsumption of natural rewards and with drug addiction.[24] The following comment is illustrative of their lack of understanding the importance of ΔFosB as a molecular switch in addiction: “That's great news for the sexually inexperienced rats! Put your name on the list for more ΔFosB and your sexual performance will be on par with more experienced rats.” They correctly point out that atrophy is associated with aging, and may be affected by comorbidities, neurotoxicity, and the like, but fail to appreciate selective atrophy in cortical areas associated with reward centers. The concept of upstream neuronal atresia as illustrated in figure 2 in the Nestler paper, focusing on a common pathway for drug and natural addiction,[23] may be an important mediator in this process. This atresia is associated with decreased dopaminergic input into the NA from the VTA, and with decreased glutaminergic input from the cortex, both being associated with an increase in ΔFosB in the medium spiny neuron. The cortex can atrophy in response to decreased downstream stimuli.[21] That there is a functional frontal deficit in addiction is the hallmark, whether drug induced or naturally induced, and the hypofrontal syndrome displayed is similar to that seen in traumatic brain injury.[16] Another recently reported example of selective cortical atrophy in reward-associated regions in adolescents manifesting Internet “addiction” is of interest in this context.[34]

>While a role for inherency is obvious, to deny any role for causation is to envision a world of selectively preatrophied individuals destined to act out in addiction. We find this premise much less plausible than at least a partial role for causation given what we consider confirmatory data with regard to the role of ΔFosB in the induction and then perpetuation of addictive states.

tl;dr stop watching porn

and use 4chan less

[Anonymous No.13544072]

>>13542536
>Your work is not you, and it should never be
holy shit, what a pathetic loser

[Anonymous No.13544083]

>>13543808
if you read the entire response you would see that the author abandons the idea that porn addiction is like cocaine addiction and instead he calls it a natural addiction just like food and gambling.
he also abandons the idea that ΔFosB causes brain atrophy and he blurs the difference between pornography induced orgasm and intercourse induced orgasms (by saying the intercourse leads to accumulation of ΔFosB)
so just like i said in >>13543225 there other stuff in your life that are far more damaging than excessive pornography usage.
if we put that in the context of 4chan users, that study is not relevant and you will see that people here think pornography addiction is the reason for all of their shortcomings when in reality their entire lifestyle is a breeding ground for shortcomings. to put it simply staying at home makes you bored and your brain constantly needs stimulation so you feed it with porn, games, food, etc. but in real life sexual stimulation, the sense of adventure, the feeling of discovery, "emotional roller-coasters", etc are scarce and need effort (sometimes a lot of effort) for you to get the reward.
in conclusion:
have sex

[Anonymous No.13544384]

>>13542676
You know what, that's fair, and obvious in hindsight. People want the things they don't have, and if they can't be with and influence people, they will want that power more than anything else.