/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13520429]

Is this the closest a game has come to having the depth of a book?

[Anonymous No.13520433]

No

[Anonymous No.13520478]

that would be Gone Home

[Anonymous No.13520503]

I cried when I completed the game. It has such a good story.

[Anonymous No.13520515]

>>13520478
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.13520532]

Especially considering it's based on a fucking series of novels, you vegetable. If you're looking for original depth I'd suggest you study the lore of Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Games don't tell much on surface but the Fallout bible explains a shit ton and TES' mythology is more complex than most religions.

[Anonymous No.13520536]

>>13520429
Farcry 3 in my opinion

[Anonymous No.13520541]

>>13520503
>It has such a good story

Not really

[Anonymous No.13520543]

>>13520536
God, /lit/ has trash normalfag taste in games

[Anonymous No.13520546]

>>13520536
The writing is shit. The only fun thing about that game is cracking your fist and pulling bullets out of your arm to heal.

[Anonymous No.13520560]

I would nominate Silent Hill 2 for that

[Anonymous No.13520564]

nahhh deus ex

[Anonymous No.13520568]

Legacy of Kain series

[Anonymous No.13520569]

>>13520429
deus ex

[Anonymous No.13520572]

>>13520569
>>13520564
/v/ isn't here, you can stop with the Deus Ex/Planescape: Torment/System Shock 2 pseud virtue signalling.

[Anonymous No.13520582]

>>13520572
but are you denying that deus ex has depth

[Anonymous No.13520592]

P sure Witcher would be a mediocre fantasy book since it's fucking hard to write those well.

I think out of all RPGs few would make for good books, maybe Suikoden II, Nier: Automata would possibly make for a great book.

[Anonymous No.13520598]

>>13520582
It's like saying your favourite book is Ulysses

[Anonymous No.13520609]

>>13520429
Dark Souls is an epic poem.

Morrowind is a big tome.

GTA IV, RDR and RDR 2 are novelistic.

Silent Hill games are novelistic.

[Anonymous No.13520612]

>>13520429
planescape is

[Anonymous No.13520631]

>>13520598
people like ulysses, deus ex and whatever else you call pseud without "virtue signalling", they're just good shit.

[Anonymous No.13520644]

>>13520572
This desu. We all know that the original Deus Ex plays like shit.

[Anonymous No.13520645]

>>13520631
t. pseud

[Anonymous No.13520780]

>>13520543
>>13520546
From the psychological perspective it's something great. How the environment and his actions, being the consequences of it, slowly but surely drive Jason mad. What looks like your typicall packed-with-violence-shooter game is in fact a story, or rather a reflection of how such scenario plays out, in regard to a human being. It glorifies violence on one hand and it condemns it on the other. A contradiction. The synthesis here would be a man, as in a member of human species, with all his thoughts and emotions, that is a soul.
In this way, the game outlines the dual foundations of man, who loves, and yet because of his love also greatly hates. But this same man, then normalizes violence to a point where he does not partake in it for the sake of the protection of what is loved, but for sheer sport of it, so to say. The cycle can then be broken or deepened, the former redeeming him and the latter "confirming" his descend into darkness and eventually destroying him. This is what attracts me; it shows just what violence realy does to an individual in an almost platonic way. This is where most other games fail.

[Anonymous No.13520788]

KILLER7
The Beginner's Guide
normies itt

[Anonymous No.13520789]

>what is Spec Ops: The line?
Don't bother watching it if you haven't played the game, but if you're never going to then you may as well.
https://youtu.be/cJZIhcCA2lk

[Anonymous No.13520802]

>>13520429
Kara no Shoujo

[Anonymous No.13520810]

>>13520789
It's an adoption of Conrad's Heart of Darkness, you moron.

[Anonymous No.13520815]

>>13520592
The Witcher was literally a book series which was adapted to a videogame, the books I read were pretty decent and due to its episodical nature made a great fit for a non-linear videogame.

[Anonymous No.13520816]

Step aside amateurs

[Anonymous No.13520826]

AHEM, the reinforcements have arrived.

[Anonymous No.13520846]

LA Noire is the only game that's on par with some noir novels, and you wouldn't generally consider noir to be of the best quality. You have to consider games from a visual/audio perspective as well, I think Firewatch, apart from it's cartoonish look, juggles all these things pretty well.

[Anonymous No.13520852]

>>13520846
>>13520478
>Gone Home
>Firewatch
You don't like video games, kill yourselves.

[Anonymous No.13520887]

Get
This
Shit
Of
This
Fucking
Board
Now

[Anonymous No.13520898]

>>13520429
>Is this the closest a game has come to having the depth of a book?
Sure thing, kiddo, but do't get to worked up about it.

[Anonymous No.13520904]

>>13520810
I know -_-

[Anonymous No.13520907]

>>13520846
the dialogue in la noire was awful, do you just mean its structure or something? there are tons of adventure games out there and probably with better writing

[Anonymous No.13520922]

>>13520852
I see you don't criticize LA Noire because you get to do shooty-shooty

[Anonymous No.13520928]

>>13520532
>more complex than most religions
it's entry level esotericism. It's good but lets not exaggerate.

[Anonymous No.13520943]

>>13520922
LA Noire is at least a video game with failure states and actual gameplay. Gone Home and Firewatch are not games, you just walk around and read shit. The developers are also the most insufferable fucking faggots on the face of the earth.

[Anonymous No.13520958]

The only correct answer here is that no game has the depth of a book except Bioshock Infinite

[Anonymous No.13520977]

>>13520958
>except Bioshock Infinite
You have the worst fucking taste in the world, please stop sharing your pleb opinions.

[Anonymous No.13520980]

>>13520907
>the dialogue in la noire was awful
pretty close to what you find in noir fiction
> there are tons of adventure games out there and probably with better writing
rec me some
>>13520943
>avengers infinity war is at least a movie with actual entertainment. Sunset Limited and The Man from Earth are not movies, you just watch people sit around and talk.

[Anonymous No.13521001]

>>13520958
The premise was good, but the final product was half baked. Good game nevertheless, but shallow.

[Anonymous No.13521007]

>>13520980
i dont like adventure games so i dont know, but if theyre all worse than la noire surely the genre wouldnt exist

[Anonymous No.13521036]

>>13520980
Games are not movies and you can't compare them to movies, people like you don't like games, you like walking simulators and interactive movies.

[Anonymous No.13521077]

>>13520429
Hardly, the game is full of side quests which if it was a book would be just bloat, the actual story and important dialogue wasnt that much. You could say dialogue and voice acting in game is like prose in a book and frankly witcher was fucking shit, boring, uninteresting, not engaging. Story wise I could say it was a brief summary of the book which hardly qualifies as "close to depth of a book".
I cannot think of a single game that comes close to book. Last I played was original sin 2 and that was quite long but ultimately full of irrelevant trash dialogue and relevant stuff was also uninteresting and monotonic (though I admit it had good moments).
I think what really left an impression was legacy of kain games (specifically elder god and kain) and also I remember ffx dialogue/monologue was pretty good and above average (even the laughing scene while was cringe did fit into he game setting and story).

[Anonymous No.13521079]

Bit different mediums innit?
I would say that not many games gave come close to the potential depth of the medium of games, so it's a bit early to be comparing them to something as well established as literature.

[Anonymous No.13521092]

>>13520429
A lot depends on what you mean by "depth" and regardless of what you do mean by it it's still hard to agree whether games have as much depth of a book because they're two separate mediums, and how they go about achieving their depth is different, they're completely different experiences (though they certainly have some similarities)
But that's also acting as if all books are full of depth, there certainly are plenty that do! But you have countless YA garbage that is shallow as shit, your Hunger Games, Harry Potters, etc. And I would say most games are on a similar level to that in terms of depth unfortunately.
If we're talking purely about breadth of thought and philosophical underpinnings or general moral dilemmas then my answer would probably be Pathologic (I'm sure there are other good contenders but I either am not remembering them currently or haven't played them)

[Anonymous No.13521109]

why yes I only played witcher 3 for the the in depth card game how could you tell

[Anonymous No.13521118]

>>13521079
On that note I'd say that games as a medium cannot be confined to one specific genre or platform. People consider gamey games such as Nintendo stuff to be peak Vidya in terms of mechanics but at the same time they lack a strong narrative. Interactive visual experiences aka single player narrative driven games such as Life is strange, The last of us, the beginner's guide etc aren't too gamey in terms of mechanics but can have cohesive storylines. And then there are simulators and strategy, even stuff like Rocksmith and Europa Universalis which are closer to gamification side of things so I don't think one particular title can check all the boxes on what this medium has to offer. I think an interesting question would be figuring out what games cannot exist as a compelling product if they were anything but a game.
Mechanics heavy titles (again) such as Nintendo stuff would be an easy answer but they don't have any depth in terms of the narrative itself.

[Anonymous No.13521122]

>>13521036
Gameplay is pure entertainment, it adds nothing to 'depth'.
>you like walking simulators and interactive movies.
Watching films you don't get to walk around the set and examine the objects in it at your own pace, especially if the set is the size of an island. Maybe they're not games but they fill a niche that other mediums can't.

[Anonymous No.13521203]

>>13520541
>>13520503
The expansions were great. The side quests we're good too.
The main story of The Wild Hunt was boring and a fucking slog though

[Anonymous No.13521222]

>>13520532
>lorefags
OHNONONONONONONONONON

[Anonymous No.13521334]

>>13521122
>Gameplay is pure entertainment, it adds nothing to 'depth'.
Way to out yourself as someone who doesn't know a fucking thing about video games.

Don't run your mouth on topics you have surface level knowledge of.

[Anonymous No.13521340]

>>13521109
Based, I spent more time on the card game than the main quest

[Anonymous No.13521379]

>>13521334
go to /v/ child

[Anonymous No.13521399]

World At War

[Anonymous No.13521414]

>>13520429
Hearts of stone was faustian kino

[Anonymous No.13521432]

>>13520958
Bioshock 1 was better in every way

[Anonymous No.13521457]

Virtually all games are genre-fiction power fantasy pieces of trash. Even the games that make some effort at having depth are sophomoric garbage and are considered 'good' only because they are thought of in relationship to other games (and not compared to art in general).

[Anonymous No.13521503]

>>13520928
How well do you know it?

[Anonymous No.13521513]

>>13521379
Stop going to /v/, pseud

[Anonymous No.13521533]

When someone who doesn't game makes judgements on games depth.

[Anonymous No.13521560]

Pillars of Eternity

[Anonymous No.13521578]

>>13520582
Yes. None of them are particularly deep and the writing in both Deus Ex and Planescape is trash. They're comparable to the shitty romance novels that old women buy at the grocery store but not much else. There are no video games with great writing and video games are best when they're almost entirely devoted to gameplay and have no/minimal story.

[Anonymous No.13521590]

>>13521513
t. manchild

Seriously video games are for children. There are no respectable adults playing video games regularly.

[Anonymous No.13521594]

Minecraft

[Anonymous No.13521600]

>>13521560
I'm starting to agree with >>13521457

[Anonymous No.13521605]

>>13520429
> he doesn't know about an entire medium that has long eclipsed books

[Anonymous No.13521673]

Story in a videogame is like a story in porn. It's expected to be there, but it's unimportant. Games cannot be literary, but that's not the point of them.

[Anonymous No.13521761]

>>13520816
Never liked the gameplay but the story is engaging enough in spite of the budget cuts, I'll give you that.

[Anonymous No.13522366]

>>13521457
>>13521600
>implying the mythical and fantastic isn't the root of fiction.

[Anonymous No.13522727]

>>13520429
Not really comparable mediums in my view. What works in one will almost certainly fail in the other. I think the most interesting aspect of games is the relationship the player has to the agent he plays as and the world around him. When literary fiction dwells on the subject of "you, the reader", it never works so well. Ditto with games games that try to deal with any thematic trends that need more measured contemplation, like the nature of God.

[Anonymous No.13522762]

I can't even think of a game with a good story
maybe this guy is right tho >>13520560
what about visual novels? not videogames but how do they compare story-wise?

[Anonymous No.13522784]

video game narratives will never develop past the level of YA fiction

[Anonymous No.13522822]

Legitimately one of the most cringe threads ive ever seen on this site, did not think that would happen on /lit/. Actually fucking embarrassing

[Anonymous No.13522895]

>>13520609
The only novelistic one you listed was RD2

[Anonymous No.13522944]

>>13521503
Enough to know that reaching heaven by violence requires prior knowledge of Crowley. Don't get me wrong, I adore the Elder Scrolls universe. But your claim is pure hyperbole.

[Anonymous No.13523106]

>>13520887
This.

[Anonymous No.13523162]

Papers please

[Anonymous No.13523172]

>>13523162
>Indietrash

[Anonymous No.13523174]

Planescape Torment
The Witcher has always been a bad plagia of Elric

[Anonymous No.13523208]

>>13520429
"Planescape: Torment" is the only correct answer.

[Anonymous No.13523215]

>>13520429
That would be Undertale :)

[Anonymous No.13523591]

The fanged noumena of videogames

[Anonymous No.13523610]

>>13523162
this

[Anonymous No.13523638]

>>13521600
>>13521560
Pillars of Eternity, in my opinion, actually has pretty good prose. There are obviously several writers working on it, since different scenes vary widely in terms of quality, but some paragraphs and dialogues are really fantastic. It encountered two main hurdles, the first being the world itself is interesting but presented in the most terrible way possible, and the second being that the theme is not fully explored until the second game.
I actually think the world in PoE2 is amazing and I fucking love the scenes with the council of gods occasionally bothering you. I love the idea of artificial gods and the implications they have on faith, religion, society, etc. Too bad the writing in PoE2 also SHITS THE BED so fucking frequently with FAGGOT PIRATES TRYING TO HAVE GAY SEX WITH YOU EVERY OTHER FUCKING SCENE
>>13520429
The real answer is Fallout: New Vegas.

[Anonymous No.13523647]

>>13520429
Not even close. Kingdom Come is a much better medieval simulation and better story. No elves or godlings or magic or retarded shit.

One of the most novel-like games would be Morrowind. Or Fallout New Vegas.

[Anonymous No.13523964]

MGS series and Horizon Zero Dawn

[Anonymous No.13523974]

>>13520532
Doing the exact same thing as a fantasy novel author would then making a game out of it isn't really original depth.

[Anonymous No.13523978]

>>13523647
Kingdom Come was fun for muh realism but the story was laughably bad. Similar things can be said about the other two games you mentioned

[Anonymous No.13523981]

>>13520816
/thread

[Anonymous No.13523996]

>>13520429
Dark Souls is a better use of the medium imho, and comes closest of any video game I’ve seen to expressing artistic truth, even though it fails in the end imho. I don’t think it’s impossible that a game might be able to transcend mere entertainment value, but the medium is still so young.

[Anonymous No.13524012]

>>13520429
No that's grim Fandango

[Anonymous No.13524053]

>>13521109
>>13521340
How? The card game can be quite frustrating with the AI fucking you over.

[Anonymous No.13524064]

>>13520429
No, Metal Gear Solid 2 is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYBod0ge3Y

[Anonymous No.13524999]

>>13520532
The game has more depth than the "novels"

[Anonymous No.13525107]

Leisure suite larry

[Anonymous No.13525360]

>>13524053
you want it to be easy?

[Anonymous No.13525411]

>>13523172
Icy?

[Anonymous No.13525439]

The closer a game gets to being a book the further it gets from being a game.

[Anonymous No.13525760]

>>13520429
No game could come close to the depth of a "book"

The mediums strength is in its interactivity

[Anonymous No.13526216]

>>13521414
literally this
Main story of the game was more generic/episodic fantasy tier, but Hearts of stone was /lit/ as fuck

[Anonymous No.13526273]

>>13520568
This is the only good post

[Anonymous No.13526430]

>>13520429
>>13520433
>>13520478
>>13520532
>>13520536
>>13520560
>>13520564
>>13520568
>>13520569
>>13520572
>>13520582
>>13520592
>>13520609
>>13520612
>>13520780
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>>13520789
>>13520802
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>>13520826
>>13520846
>>13520898
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>>13521077
>>13521399
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>>13521457
>>13521673
>>13522784
>>13523162
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>>13523638
>>13523647
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>>13523978
>>13523996
>>13524012
>>13524064
>>13524999
>>13525760
pic heavily related. I cant believe ive actually thought of this place as anything but /r/goodreads.2

All games are art, all books are art, all films are art etc etc. One of the most braindead and retarded things ive ever witnessed is this "well THIS game proves that da games are art!!1" shit. Games are in their infancy. "Books" arent some harbinger of depth, certain books have been recognized over time for their value and quality, and this "quality" isn't some fucking universal measure of how "deep" or how much knowledge each tome holds. Ulysses is considered one of the best books of all time and there is literally nothing "deep" about Ulysses in the same sense that there is in something like Crime and Punishment, its a fucking experiment and a piece of art that people well versed in literature, its history and its construction hail as an achievement of wankery. Since literally nobody here is (or should) be retarded enough to attempt to even quantify what this supposed "depth" means in the first place, saying that "X game is as deep as books" should probably be a sign that X particular autist frothing at the mouth should be castrated so nobody equally retarded will continue that bloodline in the age of information and enlightenment

Literally nobody is stupid enough to ask this exact same question about films in comparison to books or the other way around. Anyone with a brain realized over 50 years ago that a film has its strengths and a book has its own. The reason why this isnt fully realized for games yet is because manchildren are still trying to convince their luddite fathers and mothers who have never touched a videogame that they arent wasting their time with nothing "but" pure entertainment as if that was bad in the first place since again even something like Ulysses is literally nothing but entertainment and isnt some deep tome of wisdom and knowledge that will change your perception. The entire discussion is worthless as long as technologically and particularly game-illiterate ancient people exist

[Anonymous No.13526513]

MGS 2, Spec Ops The Line, Bastion, Myst... theres more. Note that while they come close to literature, they are not on the same level.

[Anonymous No.13526619]

>>13526513
>Note that while they come close to literature, they are not on the same level
Pleb

[Anonymous No.13526664]

>>13520429
RDR is the vidya equivalent of AtD, so no.

[Anonymous No.13526669]

>>13522895
SH2 is Crime and Punishment tier

[Anonymous No.13526683]

>>13526430
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.13526788]

Dark Souls, Shin Megami Tensei, and MGS are about it.

SMT especially.

[Anonymous No.13527190]

>>13526683
Based

[Anonymous No.13527213]

planescape torment really does have book level writing, not classic literature level writing but the writing i would expect if i picked up some scifi fantasy book that was a decent read.

[Anonymous No.13527227]

>>13520543
hurr hue durr I liek pnumbra! wooowwweee it so depth wow word mean a transparent shadow so crazy

[Anonymous No.13527437]

>>13527227
Fuck indietrash twitch games too queer.

Play a real game like Ico, Dragon's Dogma or Fallout New Vegas.

[Anonymous No.13527530]

[Anonymous No.13527570]

>>13520429
https://youtu.be/bOYoBkZV9RU
Games have already surpassed books in some aspects. Take Tetris as an example. No book will ever measure up.

However, no game will ever measure up storywise to a good book. Both mediums have strengths the other does not have.

You wouldn't compare Nazis and sextoys and ask if one has surpasses the other, would you?

[Anonymous No.13527586]

>>13520592
>Nier
One of those books you open and the page unfolds into a 3d scene, maybe.

[Anonymous No.13527737]

>>13520429
>everybody talks about how good this games are
>download the first one
>you have to carry 2 swords, one to kill monsters and the other one to kill regular people
stopped playing right there

[Anonymous No.13527751]

>>13527570
Sex toys bring pleasure to the world, Nazis bring suffering. Clearly sex toys are superior to nazis.

[Anonymous No.13527788]

>>13527751
Sex toys have never run over a fat American woman, though.

[Anonymous No.13527811]

>>13527788
huh?

[Anonymous No.13527821]

>>13527737
>>everybody talks about how good this games are
No, they talk about how Witcher 2 was pretty decent 3 was great and the first one was "okayish".

>>you have to carry 2 swords, one to kill monsters and the other one to kill regular people
Yes, and?
I mean weapons which work against specific enemies is a pretty common fantasy trope.

[Anonymous No.13527824]

>>13527751
>Sex toys bring pleasure to the world, Nazis bring suffering.
Source?
Spiritual fulfillment in the struggle for your people seems to bring far more pleasure then jacking off.

[Anonymous No.13527836]

soma

[Anonymous No.13527841]

>>13527811
Charlottesville, that Alt-Right demo. I'm implying that running over fat americans is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.13527865]

Always felt the point of video-games was more in the atmosphere than in the narrative. It is one thing to read about a warrior exploring some crypt or wizard's tower, another thing to do it "yourself", specially if the game manages to raise the stakes.

This is what should be more valued, instead of literary and thematic complexity which is something way more harder to achieve in the medium.

[Anonymous No.13527880]

>>13527824
Nazis literally ruined Europe and German nationalism. The German people now have to apologize for even existing thanks to that angry Austrian manlet

[Anonymous No.13527924]

>>13527437
What are twitch games? You mean like FPS games?

[Anonymous No.13527930]

>>13527880
Not nazis, communists and capitalists did. Both sides had a vested interest after the war to built up their forner enemy as horrible monsters. They needed the propaganda for the public efforts against each other.

[Anonymous No.13527984]

>>13527924
I mean horror games twitch streamers play with facecams for children

[Anonymous No.13528014]

>>13521457
It took to much for this post.

[Anonymous No.13528016]

Don't know, I only care about gameplay in games

[Anonymous No.13528036]

>>13528016
uh oh... he doesn't know. icy, calm down!

[Anonymous No.13528083]

>>13520429
Hearts of Stone was kino

[Anonymous No.13528639]

>>13521578
truth

[Anonymous No.13528972]

I get the aesthetic emotion from truly perfect gameplay and design, like Super Metroid and SotN. Then again difficult and/or Metroidvania platformers are basically the only games I play that aren't le art games.

[Anonymous No.13529158]

>>13528083
Was going to post this, the fact that they went ahead and included a bunch of really wierd stuff into the main quest was nice.

[Anonymous No.13530385]

>Is this the closest a game has come to having the depth of a book?
which book?
different books have different depths

[Anonymous No.13530395]

I only play mindless video games for something to do while I listen to audiobooks i.e. minecraft, madden, BOTW...

[Sage No.13531166]

Ace Combat, Metal Gear Solid, and Drakengard 1

[Anonymous No.13531179]

For me it's KOTOR2

[Anonymous No.13531195]

>>13520532
>TES' mythology is more complex than most religions

The state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.13531197]

>>13520429
Fortnite

[Anonymous No.13531425]

>>13531179
based response. the game being released unfinished was a tragedy.

[Anonymous No.13531451]

>>13531197
Apex is better

[Anonymous No.13531473]

>>13526430
kys