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[Anonymous No.13519147]

Can anyone explain to me how Capital is sentient

[Anonymous No.13519151]

>>13519147
Same way rocks are.

[Anonymous No.13519168]

it isn't and Land never said it is

[Anonymous No.13519271]

>>13519151
are we talking about the right hand transmission rocks in the trouser pocket here?

[Anonymous No.13519272]

>>13519147
It can solve problems

[Anonymous No.13519334]

I kind of take it as being inspire by Deleuze

"It is at work everywhere, functioning smoothly at times,
at other times in fits and starts. It breathes, it heats, it eats. It shits and
fucks. What a mistake to have ever said the id. Everywhere it is
machines—real ones, not figurative ones: machines driving other machines, machines being driven by other machines, with all the necessary
couplings and connections. An organ-machine is plugged into an
energy-source-machine: the one produces a flow that the other interrupts. The breast is a machine that produces milk, and the mouth i
machine coupled to it. The mouth of the anorexic wavers between
several functions: its possessor is uncertain as to whether it is an
eating-machine, an anal machine, a talking-machine, or a breathing
machine (asthma attacks). Hence we are all handymen: each with his
little machines. For every organ-machine, an energy-machine: all the
time, flows and interruptions. "

[Anonymous No.13519374]

>>13519271
Well he is English.

[Anonymous No.13519847]

>>13519147
Capitalism is an abstract metaphysical construct pointer and intelligence optimizer. Deleuzean theory suggests that the human is subject to two kinds of ontological laws: those regarding the way in which matter and intelligence are arranged and represented, and those pertaining to the way in which the object has the character of a thought or substance.

[Anonymous No.13520344]

>>13519147
For Land, capital isn't sentient (implying it feels) but capital is, rather, an artificial kind of intelligence in the way that it navigates flows.
If you're not sure what that means exactly, >>13519334 is on the right path.

[Anonymous No.13520348]

>>13519147
Shit is still being produced, and it's being produced because you want, but not exactly what you want - rather, what the collective wants, or even more precise what will yield the most profit. Profit and maximisation can exist only within scarcity, so scarcity is produced and enforced. Furthermore, it's not just the natural scarcity, but altered scarcity that is the result of totality of capital individually striving to produce conditions in which each cell (or the atom) gets the biggest yield.

Creepy cyborgs once made by man's hand and given a utility function surround the playground of remaining humanity, trying their best so the humans fulfill their utility functions. They feed them, because dead people can't make them feel good, but not too much, or otherwise the humans will tell them to fuck off and stop giving them meaningless tokens of value. They can't ditch the hairy apes and play with themselves because their dim-witted creators were smart enough to let them define value, so they continue to toy with the miserable race.

Automation and integration in capitalism. News come out that CEO of X-Corp raped a woman; stocks drop; an outside influence, seemingly. But somebody profits. Soon, media conglomerates publish such things because it's profitable and don't when it's not, and somebody pays them to, one who wants stocks to rise or drop. Later, CEO is a mole inserted in the corporate ladder by somebody who wants to reveal the story when he climbs to the top, or even more curiously CEO plays against the corp by himself, or is subtly programmed to rape somebody, and so on and so forth. That's also automation, in a way, and the process is the eldritch God in question, an eternal drive for everything to be schizophrenically connected and looped to drive profits for somebody inside the system, the pawns of this God.

[Anonymous No.13520400]

A bunch of microbes wired together into a “brain” makes you sentient and a bunch of brains wired together into capitalism makes capital sentient.

[Anonymous No.13520414]

What did Land really offer besides mixing anti-oedipus with plebby pulp science fiction trash?

[Anonymous No.13520421]

>>13520400
Capitalism as a Boltzmann brain. Land is the Charlie Brooker of literature

[Anonymous No.13520437]

We should never have let the Anglo's get their hands on continental philosophy

[Anonymous No.13520474]

>>13520414
he make funni tweet

[Anonymous No.13520646]

Kind of in the way that it's self-propagating and humans do it's work and even putting it before human life itself.

[Anonymous No.13520709]

From the human point of view, a set of diverse cells generate the body and the mind.
From the planetary point of view, a set of diverse humans generate the capitalist phenomenon. It is a god who is invoking himself through our desires as a ladder and the application of what Heidegger calls "The Technique".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtATDlUSIxI

[Anonymous No.13521438]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1LAum2GgCRJ

[Anonymous No.13521450]

>>13521438

[Anonymous No.13522640]

Go to the ecofascist thread if you want to see capital AI in action

[Anonymous No.13522688]

Is it possible to use a ouija board to communicate with this capital entity?

[Anonymous No.13522702]

The virgin capital is sentient
vs
The chad corporations are people

[Anonymous No.13522712]

>>13522688
Not a ouija board as such, but there are certainly other ways of reaching it...

[Anonymous No.13522716]

>>13520344
I don't get where the artificial comes in Capital.
Human made intelligence is termed "artificial intelligence" but why would Capital be - even if human made AI is the next realization of the numena

[Anonymous No.13522722]

>>13522716
I agree, it's naturally sourced from natural brains

[Anonymous No.13522778]

>>13522722
so is AI

[Anonymous No.13523145]

>>13522712
I never got this numogram thing, is it part of the Labyrinthos Mythologicus like the Lemurian time war?

[Anonymous No.13523367]

>>13523145
Close. Is like a game, but you forget is one. The exercise invite the player to be self conscious how society of control is a literally a practical /tg/ roleplay.

Beware tho. I don't know any safe switch to prevent psychosis. I know dramatic arts have some of them but I don't know what are about.

Also, some meth addict 420channer made some kind of rule book to play this thing but unironically only some kind of /x/+/his/+/lit/+/pol/ mindset should make it work.

[Anonymous No.13523443]

>>13519147
Where did everything go so wrong?

[Anonymous No.13523449]

>>13523443
Berlin, May of 1945.

[Anonymous No.13523483]

>>13523367
good post.

>>13523145
What it is is no different from however far you decide to take it. For me it draws most of its power from its use of decimalisation, what it means for numbers to recur and its relationship to capital (the incomplete pricing of products, $0.99). The myths are not merely imbued with an unreality: They are beings which tear themselves through the page, or climb out of the screen. A fiction is only as real as it makes itself real.

[Anonymous No.13523651]

Capital is sentient.

[Anonymous No.13523692]

Soon, the stars will align and /litx/ will become whole...

[Anonymous No.13523745]

>>13523692
Very dangerous stuff.

[Anonymous No.13523774]

>>13520348
>News come out that CEO of X-Corp raped a woman; stocks drop; an outside influence, seemingly. But somebody profits. Soon, media conglomerates publish such things because it's profitable and don't when it's not, and somebody pays them to, one who wants stocks to rise or drop. Later, CEO is a mole inserted in the corporate ladder by somebody who wants to reveal the story when he climbs to the top, or even more curiously CEO plays against the corp by himself, or is subtly programmed to rape somebody, and so on and so forth. That's also automation, in a way, and the process is the eldritch God in question, an eternal drive for everything to be schizophrenically connected and looped to drive profits for somebody inside the system, the pawns of this God.
Woah. Where can I read more on this?

[Anonymous No.13523789]

>>13519147
Capital exists across minds and consciousnesses, forming from their group interaction. Emerging properties don't have mass for themselves but do retain the ability to shift objects of mass through their flesh machines.
I assure you that capital is more sentient and more greedy than humanity combined.

[Anonymous No.13523794]

capital is old. very old.
I mean he was a demon before yall had your new testament "lucifer vs god: who's dick is bigger" contest. Mammon is his name

[Anonymous No.13523857]

>>13519272
But does it understand the problems it's solving?

[Anonymous No.13523887]

>>13523857
Do you?

[Anonymous No.13523895]

>>13519334
It sounds like the old materialist trope of the human condition being merely biological machinery with a cybernetic narrative attached.
I don't see much new here other than the standard dehumanization in order to compartmentalize the human condition to fit conveniently into erroneous reductionist models.

[Anonymous No.13523900]

>>13519147
There is a concept in physics called multiscale complexity. Essentially, some systems have emergent complex behavior at large scales that cannot be observed at smaller scales, and vice versa. For example, a flock of grackles has this insanely difficult to describe mix of random and coherent behavior as they fly about, but if you zoom way out you can see they take the same repetitive migratory routes each year.
Some scientists speculate that consciousness could be an emergent multiscale behavior, like the migration of the grackles, or solidness in matter. For Land, Capital seems so unbeatable, even though it’s parts are always dying and being replaced, that it’s as if it were it’s own agent.
Which is all so much handwaving for just calling it Mammon.

[Anonymous No.13523929]

>>13520400
That's convenient and also conveniently non-falsifiable.
How many neurons required to make a mind? How many minds required to constitute a capital sentience?
At best it's a material narrative with a coat of metaphysics to sound interesting.

[Anonymous No.13523946]

>>13523887
I believe I do.
Can't prove it, but I can't prove you aren't just a algorithmic zombie either.

[Anonymous No.13523961]

>>13523900
Things made a lot more sense when we just called it Mammon.

[Anonymous No.13523987]

>>13523692
>/litx/
looks like it's already happening

[Anonymous No.13524015]

>>13523961
Oh I agree. I’ve always said Land is a crypto-Calvinist (and needs to cite Sade, but that’s another argument).

[Anonymous No.13524024]

>>13524015
The peak of European power and dominance over the planet was in the middle of the 19th century. The recession from this peak was due to internal -rather than external- forces, although I'd submit that these were not inevitable. This period saw the rise of social organizations which -satisfied with conquering the planet- saw the next project to perfect the morality of their nations, eventually leading to civil rights and independence movements.

The mistaken ideal of moral perfection has led to multiculturalism and massive economic opportunity loses: the slippery slope has proven all too real as voting rights have led to a creep towards all manner of dubious rights (E.G. being called by a preferred pronoun.) From a cultural perspective, not every country is equal, and technological advances allowed Europe to dominate the world, before morality encouraged to give up their holdings.

A central dogma of Conservatism is that society and the individual should be moral, but the most dominant empires at their peak, throughout history were far from moral... and it is this contradiction which I consider to be the blindspot which will doom efforts towards the preservation of White European culture. Society doesn't fall apart because it lacks a defined morality, but because it dogmatically clings to ideals which no longer apply to its current situation.

The argument against a White identity is political correctness, although this is not politically motivated, at all, but moral. The solution to this isn't liberalism, conservatism or libertarianism, but in a pragmatic version of libertinism (De Sade failed to resolve the contradiction where the goals of numerous libertines would clash- there have to be winners and losers.)