Post-societal collapse book compendium

[Anonymous No.13519087]

Ok so I think we can all agree that civilization as we know it will collapse in the next 20-50 years.

One of the most useful things to have in order to be prepared is a hard drive full of e-books about topics essential for survival in such scenario. Topics such as:
>Small scale agriculture
>Medicine
>Water purification
>House construction
>Cooking, etc

Off the top of my head. E-books aren't expensive on the disk memory so I'm looking for some kind of large compendium, hopefully well categorized and tagged. Is there any? I can't be the only person that's looking for this.

[Anonymous No.13519096]

>>13519087
>>Water purification
>Northern Europe/russia.
Assuming the world doesn't become toxic or a desert.
Then we up here don't need "purification", or rivers are more pure than Americans bottled water.

[Anonymous No.13519102]

The Bushcraft Boxed Set

[Anonymous No.13519109]

>>13519096
Just me considering the worst scenarios. Hard drives are cheap.

[Anonymous No.13519201]

Just start your garden right now, go camping and hunting buy guns if you really believe collapse is coming.
Practice will be much better than any book you can hoard. And as you work on you will find which books are good and bad.

[Anonymous No.13519210]

>>13519087
there will be no collapse. life has never been as good as it is now. i own two smart phones and drink almond milk that costs 5 euros per litre. fuck your fear mongering, your fake news and your conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous No.13519211]

>>13519087
Don’t forget about power. You can convert plastic to fuel, I’ve started conscientiously littering my plastic for the use of future society.

[Anonymous No.13519213]

>>13519210
>there will be no collapse, I drink cheap milk made from an incredibly wasteful plant

[Anonymous No.13519219]

>>13519213
kys poltard, i have the eu to protect me.

[Anonymous No.13519221]

>>13519211
I'm currently studying electrical engineering for that but you're right. It should have that.

[Anonymous No.13519233]

>>13519219
Why kill my self when I can wait for you to kill both of us

[Anonymous No.13519266]

>>13519210
And Romans had fests where they vomited so they could keep eating. Abundance and excess is found in every civilization. This doesn't mean they won't collapse.

It's not fear mongering not conspiracy theories. It's science. It's physics. Dynamic and complex system just are like this. They go back and forward. Collapse sounds like a strong word but in fact is just a natural process that every dynamical system goes through, that of entropy increasing.

[Anonymous No.13519288]

>>13519266
That's not how physics works

[Anonymous No.13519298]

>>13519288
How so?

[Anonymous No.13519308]

>>13519213
>5 euros a litre
>cheap milk

[Anonymous No.13519324]

>>13519308
Who is charging you 5 euros a liter? Barely 1 euro for a gallon

[\˚ㄥ˚\ !8zLiETfTxw No.13519371]

>>13519087
try Lean Logic by David Fleming! it's not so much a craft guide as a manual for realistic mid/post-collapse community structures and lifeways that don't veer too far from the past to be viable, but are more flexible, holistic, and small-scale. it's pretty easy to find survival books, but I'd also recommend looking into anarchist literature (whether it grabs you or not) for some means of handling situations without resorting to authority derived from our current social situation.

[Anonymous No.13519539]

>things wont colla--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8

[Anonymous No.13519585]

>collapse happens
>wised-up anon manages to create a small, self-sufficient farm with the help of all those e-books he hoarded for this exact time
>some leather-strapped, armed to the teeth cannibals invade his farm, rape him and take over his piece of paradise

Yeah that worked great

[Anonymous No.13519614]

If a collapse does occur, it won’t be on an apocalyptic scale. That’s just power fantasy bullshit. Capital deters conflicts on a scale that would be out of control by some actors (be they states or private actors). Nations are also becoming more economically dependent on one another, so it’s in their best interests to support one another. In 20-50 years, foresee the collapse of certain institutions, but the core ideas of these institutions will always reinvent themselves in some form.

The point is that no one is going to be a post-apocalyptic road warrior in the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.13519661]

>>13519087
A collapse will never happen retard do you think the people in power would ever allow that to happen? They do not want to lose their position.

[Anonymous No.13519671]

>how can there be a collapse when we have iPhones?

[Anonymous No.13519673]

>>13519661
You’re retarded.

[Anonymous No.13519680]

dartnell - the knowledge
not much about direct survival skills, more about how to reboot metallurgy and chemical industrial processes with things one would commonly find in post-apocalyptic environment. so mostly recycling and pillaging. even if you have a STEM background, you might still learn something from this overview. also contains a bibliography about the topics you listed.

[Anonymous No.13519694]

>>13519671
This, all humans are finally getting better and with technology on our side we're at the best position a human can have ever been before

[Anonymous No.13519699]

Le ebin collapse is one of the biggest fucking copes around, and it almost always comes hand in hand with total historical illiteracy as well

The last time there was an actual significant drop in living standards across civilisation that happened in a short period of time was the bronze age collapse.

You can rage and seethe about it all you want, but Fukuyama was right and life is going to be boring forever now. It's a lot easier to feel content with being a total fucking loser when "society is on the brink of collapse" I get it, but it's just self delusion

[Anonymous No.13519711]

>>13519699
I think a lot of the “societal collapse” fantasies come from a desire of some to prove themselves as some great figure and write themselves into the history books without much effort.

I don’t think society will be boring forever, but it’s highly unlikely that we’re going to see another Bonaparte or Hannibal.

[Anonymous No.13519712]

>>13519699
>muh fukuyama

[Anonymous No.13519738]

>>13519711
and what desires do fantasies about societal robustness come from?

[Anonymous No.13519760]

>>13519738
A difficult question since everyone’s idea of the ideal society is different. Everyone wants social stability in their idea of utopia, but progress towards one utopia may undermine progress towards another’s utopia.

[Anonymous No.13519794]

so now i get rich with fearmongering as this narrative is easily accepted, muh apocalypse in the next 20 years.
Selling canned foods etc., easy business?

[Anonymous No.13519827]

Starting farms is nice and all, but is anyone else just gonna go down with the ship? As soon as the blue ocean event or something of it's scale hits I'm just gonna starve myself.
lit for this feel?

[Anonymous No.13519832]

>>13519673
We will see who is right in 20 years. Here's a hint: it's not you.

[Anonymous No.13519848]

I really want an apocalypse to happen. Would be fun to start civilisation over.

[Anonymous No.13519851]

>>13519661
>what are scorched earth tactics?

[Anonymous No.13519878]

Based thread, global starvation soon

[Anonymous No.13519880]

>>13519832
Okay then, what steps have the "people in power" taken to solve
>Global warming
>The crop failures and drought that follow
>Peak oil / energy
>Top soil loss

And the social unrest that comes from these?

[Anonymous No.13519887]

>>13519880
peak oil and global warming are literal conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous No.13519902]

>>13519880
They actually want them to come because they believe it will simply be a population cull that will return things to more stabler times to be rich and they won’t be affected because they’ll be able to afford all or most of the luxuries they enjoy still.

[Anonymous No.13519939]

>>13519585
lmao
they will eat ALL his chickens

[Anonymous No.13519993]

>>13519210
>there will be no collapse. life has never been as good as it is now.
Thats why there's going to be a collapse retard

[Anonymous No.13520008]

>>13519939
>>13519585
>the chicken tastes so well, he gets promoted within the clan for his organizational talent

[Anonymous No.13520032]

>>13519585
>>13519939
>all the cannibals die because they couldn't tell which were my poisoned decoy storage
Heh nice try kiddo

[Anonymous No.13520052]

>>13519324
>gallon
nice false flag ameritard

[Anonymous No.13520053]

>>13519087
>One of the most useful things to have in order to be prepared is a hard drive full of e-books
Unless you know...there's a massive solar flare that causes the collapse. Or your laptop battery runs out when the collapse happens because no more electricity.

I don't think you've thought this through.

[Anonymous No.13520439]

OP here. I think done Anons have misunderstood. Collapse ≠ Apocalypse. Collapse isn't that of a strong word. It just means that the global economy won't be feasible for some decades and people will move to a local scale production.

>>13520053
I'm studying electrical engineering. Don't worry I'll figure it out.

[Anonymous No.13520737]

>>13520439
If by that you have a scenario in mind that most of the state institutions will also survive, granting you enough security to own some land and work şt, then you wouldn't have to be absolutely self-sufficient anyway

[Anonymous No.13520758]

>>13520737
Institutions are currently based on large flows of energy. They won't survive. Collapse means we'll need new institutions, more localized, that can account for the huge decrease in complexity and energy flow. In Deleuze's terms: deterritoralization because of collapse, and then reterritoralization into localized forms of living.

[Anonymous No.13520774]

imagine taking a half dozen linear graphs and thinking it's proof of a global collapse on the horizon. "What goes up must come down" is not good statistical analysis.

[Anonymous No.13520781]

>>13519087
Read: how to survive the economical collapse

[Anonymous No.13520782]

>>13520774
Imagine being so delusional you think you know better than 99.99% of the scientific community.

[Anonymous No.13520823]

>>13520774
Yeah imagine making judgements based on scientific data haha. Civilization is FOREVER YIPPEE BING BING WAHOO (1UP) good feelings and dopamine!

[Anonymous No.13520839]

>>13519827
In a way I am Legend is about a guy who realizes he should have done that.

[Anonymous No.13520870]

>>13520781
By whom

[Anonymous No.13520946]

>>13520870
Piero San Giergo, a Varg-pilled based anti-boomer boomer

[Anonymous No.13520962]

>>13520032
Holy based

[Anonymous No.13520978]

How much will the fall of empire really affect some random provincial? Luxury goods become scarce, tax collectors become honest bandits, but not very much changes. At worst lights will be more candle and less incandescent. Sure everyone in the cities dies or flees, but you don't live there anyway, right anon?

[Anonymous No.13521003]

>when you haven't accepted your life is sympoietic

[Anonymous No.13521045]

I'm impressed you think a hard drive full of e-books will be of any help once the electrical grids start collapsing. Buy physical books, OP.

[Anonymous No.13521063]

>>13519827

I'm not planning to actively kill myself, but I'm resigned to the fact that I'm probably going to die in a water war some time in the 2030s. Unless someone empties the nukes before then, in which case I'm going onto the roof with a stiff drink and a folding chair.

[Anonymous No.13521072]

>>13519699

Even Fukuyama admitted he was wrong about the end of history. Get your Steven Pinker bloomer shit outta here.

[Anonymous No.13521094]

>>13519887

I hate that I have to share oxygen and bandwidth with people like you

[Anonymous No.13521108]

Doomer mentality is fucked up wish fullfillment fantasy. Civilization will not collapse. The world will not reset to being more agricultural, monoethnic, religious, or conservative. Your guns and farming knowledge will never make you more valuable than big city liberals. Civilization will continue to become more secular-humanist liberal-progressive democratic-socialist as society and technology advances. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.13521148]

>>13521108

>Doomer mentality is fucked up wish fulfillment fantasy
>my techno-utopianism, however, is perfectly valid and realistic

>please don't ask me about the sweatshops and child mines needed to make all the shit I throw away after six months
>i'm not interested in talking about resource mismanagement or climate change-induced famine
>no, I haven't looked into how flooding in the Great Plains states this spring completely fucked over crop yields for at least two years
>governments all over the planet are lurching toward fascism, but my twee fantasy narrative wants to dismiss this as a momentary blip in political evolution
>trust me guys, iPhones and Elon Musk will save us all

[Anonymous No.13521168]

>>13519827
based for posting demons souls and not dark souls

[Anonymous No.13521343]

what does the beginning of a collapse look like? would it be sudden or predictable? what is the most likely factor to kick it off, an economic crash, mass natural disaster?

[Anonymous No.13521355]

>>13521343
Collapse has certainly already begun. Look around you.

[Anonymous No.13521356]

>>13521108
>Still believes history is a linear process from ancient to modern
Optimism is cowardice

[Anonymous No.13521388]

>>13521343
If you see retarded people whenever you look in the mirror, then my friend, it's happening

[Anonymous No.13521439]

>>13521343

"Collapse" is misleading in that it implies a single catalyst that sets everything else in motion. In reality, what's happening is that large-scale institutions and social/cultural/political structures are starting to break down along parallel tracks, but these breakdowns are having impacts across the whole of our species and planet.

Rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere are causing glaciers and permafrost to melt, which in turn puts undue strain on food distribution channels.

The breakdown of social and political institutions through corruption and ineptitude are causing people to lose faith in those institutions, which is a significant stepping stone for the re-emergence of fascism.

And so on. I get the heebie-jeebies if I write about this stuff for too long, but

>tl;dr: there won't be one defining event that triggers a collapse. "Collapse" is the failure of large-scale social, agricultural, economic, and political structures

[Anonymous No.13521456]

>ebooks
Why? Unless you print them of course

[Anonymous No.13521522]

>>13521439
Aside from climate issues, will the system collapse hard enough to trigger world wide anarchy? The present rise of fascism is mostly just internet doxxing and terrorist attacks. There aren’t any serious fascist contenders for government as of yet.

[\˚ㄥ˚\ !8zLiETfTxw No.13521664]

>>13521003
based kinposter

[Anonymous No.13521702]

>>13519087
>Ok so I think we can all agree that civilization as we know it will collapse in the next 20-50 years.
No? Club of Rome could have been right in 1968, but today it's retarded.
We have, solar, wind, battery storage power station, pretty advanced nuclear, shale oil and gaz, and still plenty of coal.

I don't deny there could be a collapse, but it probably won't be because of resources rarefaction.

[Anonymous No.13521742]

>>13519614
Exactly. Civil war in the U.S. is probable, but the planet suddenly turning into Mars is far from likely. Assuming worst comes to worst in the U.S., there's still the rest of the planet to inhabit, with everyone else who lives in those places. When Rome fell, other powerful countries weren't exactly crying about it. I, for one, am happy western civilization is going to collapse. We're likely to see proper art, literature, and music again.

[Anonymous No.13521752]

>>13521702
You're too naive. Renewables won't save us.

Everyone in this thread should watch this before posting:

https://youtu.be/5WPB2u8EzL8

Brilliant lecture.

[Anonymous No.13521771]

>>13521522

Anarchy, no. And fascism is absolutely taking root in plenty of governments right now. The Philippines have been under martial law for years now, with literal death squads gunning down anyone even accused of drug running. Brazil is being run by a boot-licking homophobe who has said he's willing to use the state to silence dissidents. Then of course the anti-immigration rhetoric and camps in the US.

Collapse doesn't have to be absolute to be catastrophic. It doesn't exist on a binary. And Fascism will definitely precede anarchy as the state attempts to regulate borders and resources.

[Anonymous No.13521798]

>>13521702
And all of these need oil to be extracted/built efficiently. Also, there are not enough of it in the world to sustain (or even go beyond 5% of) the world's energy production

Rates of EROEI ("Energy Returned On Energy Invested") for all that you have mentioned are already below 12:1 (for oil it was in the US at 100:1 in the beginning of the 20th century, 35:1 in 1990 and now around 10:1) - and will be even less as oil deplete. And it is, right now. I should link studies and everything to back this up, but it's 4chan and I'm lazy. Look it up, senpai

[Anonymous No.13521830]

>>13521798
Those numbers are in the video I posted Anon:

>>13521752

[Anonymous No.13521834]

>>13521771
>states protecting their sovereignty from corporate lobbyists trying to dissolve all national and ethnic distinctness to create rootless labor forces = fascism

what if it's just mild nationalism

[Anonymous No.13521871]

>>13521830
My internet connection is too slow even for youtube. And if it's a video of more than 4 min, nobody will watch it :^)

[Anonymous No.13521899]

>>13521834
As a brazilian, Bolsonaro isns't doing anything of the sort. In fact, true nationalists lost the eletion. Bolsonaro is intimately tied to the USA and Israel.

[Anonymous No.13521917]

>>13521871
wrong, i'm watching it and have made it past the 4 minute mark

[Anonymous No.13521923]

>>13521752
It's certainly an interesting video (watched about 40 minutes), but I don't think this guy even mentions the human element once. He only talks scientifically and inorganically, he relegates humans to cogs in a machine. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Anonymous No.13521949]

>>13519210
>The stock market can't crash, it's never been as high as it is today

[Anonymous No.13521960]

>>13521834
>states protecting their sovereignty from corporate lobbyists
their interests are the fucking same

[Anonymous No.13521972]

>>13521949
>society is a single quantifiable number that can be tracked as rising and falling

[Anonymous No.13521981]

>>13521923
>I don't think this guy even mentions the human element once
Not true. He talks about how most humans have essentially lost the stomach for slave power, which is what led us down the path of petroleum products.

[Anonymous No.13521987]

>>13521899
>>13521960
i am talking about the true nationalists though, not the sell-out "neo-conservative" faggots who hide behind formulas of "small government" to turn government into a tool for corporate fucks

i'm not praising bolsonaro, i'm saying the forces he's cynically coopting are at least legitimate

[Anonymous No.13522034]

As long as we shoot brown people trying to get in white nations should be somewhat okay, at least where agriculture is concerned. The issue is if we start the shooting early enough. There will still a massive dive in living standards in any case though.

[Anonymous No.13522036]

>>13521987
>the forces he's cynically coopting are at least legitimate
Idk if you are brazilian, but not so much in here, The only people that feel like that, are the ones from the north provinces, because we received a considerable amount of venezuelans and yeah, immigratition is never comfortable.
Most of the "Bolsonarists" actually hold him as a symbol of morality, since the worker's party got associated with corruption. The portion that is a bit more enlighted actively desires the neoliberal policies, thinking that we'll achive some sort of american consumption standart.
It's a sad spectacle.

[Anonymous No.13522047]

>>13522034
We need an African genocide RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.13522069]

>>13522047
lmao, imagine thinking africans are the problem when you can LITERALLY live off European/American trash.
GOOD FOOD, still edible, covered in multiple layers of plastic, in the barbage, everyday.
And I'm talking about food mate, not even technology, clothes, cars, traveling... You are a CLOWN

[Anonymous No.13522083]

>>13522069
So you’re saying we should send all of our trash to Africa so they can eat it?

[Anonymous No.13522091]

>>13521834

Nationalism unchecked will necessarily lead to fascism.

[Anonymous No.13522103]

>>13521148
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.13522109]

>>13522069
People don't really care about the Africans though. They care about their living standards. From this predicament it derives that Africans are indeed a problem.

[Anonymous No.13522175]

>>13519699
>The last time there was an actual significant drop in living standards across civilisation that happened in a short period of time was the bronze age collapse.

Yeah, if the only place you are looking at is Europe and the Near east. Other places with civilization had their own collapses.

The Classical Maya collapse, for instance, though to be far this is often hyperbolized.

[Anonymous No.13522326]

>>13521981

>lost the stomach for slave power

I mean that's a good thing, though

[Anonymous No.13522374]

>>13522326
It brought us where to we are today. You can interpret that positively or negatively, but keep in mind this is a thread about ecological collapse.

[Anonymous No.13522389]

>>13519087
how about power/electricity production and storage?

[Anonymous No.13522426]

>>13522389
Look at where lithium ion batteries are relative to the origin. It’s a complete fucking meme. Freight will never be shipped via lithium ion battery vehicles.

[Anonymous No.13522474]

>>13522374

I don't think reviving slave labor would be a great way to offset carbon emissions.

[Anonymous No.13522523]

>>13521798
EROEI of wind and nuclear aren't below 12:1. I wonder which figures you got.
And no, it don't need oil to be extracted. Electric excavator are already a reality. Heavier machines will follow. Fuel cells will be used if high density energy is really needed (although advanced solid state li-ion will probably be enough in like 10 years).

[Anonymous No.13522527]

>>13522474
I agree, but you have to realize that our deviation from slave labor put us on this trajectory. We adopted technology to fill this gap. The vast majority of the population believes in the vague notion of “scientific progress” that will ultimately save us from ourselves, when in reality the situation is much less idealistic. There seems to be this incredible lack of understanding that science isn’t this benevolent force that always has our best interests in mind.

[Anonymous No.13522541]

>>13522523
>although advanced solid state li-ion will probably be enough in like 10 years
lmao are you fucking retarded?
See >>13522426

[Anonymous No.13522561]

>>13522541
What are your figures, 2010?
https://www.electronicdesign.com/automotive/imec-doubles-energy-density-its-solid-state-batteries

[Anonymous No.13522587]

>>13522561
Doubling something that is essentially zero is still essentially zero.

[Anonymous No.13522619]

>>13522587
Sure. A Tesla S 100D has an range of 0.
500 kilometers in real conditions is tiny. Batteries don't work for high power. :s
In 5 years, it's 1000 kilometers for you anon.

[Anonymous No.13522675]

>>13522619
The weight of a vehicle’s battery is a function of the weight of the entire vehicle times the distance it has to travel before recharging. This is inescapable. It’s physics. Do you really think it’s feasible to replace every semi truck in the world with lithium ion electric vehicles? What about every cargo ship? What about every airplane? Do you honestly think there’s enough lithium on the planet to do this?

[Anonymous No.13522679]

>>13522527

No, I would argue the Industrial Revolution and mass migration to urban centers played a much larger role in our current climate crisis than slavery abolition did. The two even existed concurrently, so you can't really claim a causation between the two.

I definitely agree wrt science as some sort of guiding light toward utopianism though.

[Anonymous No.13522718]

>>13522679
Societies that promoted slavery were predominantly agrarian and were, for all intents and purposes, sustainable.

[Anonymous No.13522720]

>>13522675
Tesla is developping a semi.
There are already li-ion cargo ship. Albeit for river transport.
Electric airplanes will be feasible with 500 WH/kg of energy density. So in 5 years.
About the lithium ressource, i don't know, probably. If not, once we will run out of lithium, we will use graphene supercapacitors. And there is still fuel cell, in case it's needed.

[Anonymous No.13522745]

>>13522720
Also, for Cargo ship, if it's absolutely necessary, small nuclear reactor.

[Anonymous No.13522753]

>>13522720
>>13522745
Science isn’t going to save you. Stop believing in things you don’t understand.

[Anonymous No.13522832]

>>13522718

Green tech exists that renders forced human servitude unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.13522881]

>>13522832
Like what?

[Anonymous No.13523049]

>>13522753
Are you in a millenarian sect anon?

[Anonymous No.13523112]

>>13522881

I'm sorry, are we at the point where you are now going to argue we need to reinstate slave labor? Because that's one hell of a deviation from my original point and not an argument I'm particularly interested in having.

[Anonymous No.13523180]

>>13523112
We’ve had slave labor for the majority of human history. The abolition of slavery was just a recent anomaly in the grand scheme of things. What makes you think we won’t return to slavery at some point?

[Anonymous No.13523242]

>>13523180

People who advocate for the return of slavery should be the first ones put back in chains.

[Anonymous No.13523252]

>>13519087
>Trend Predicted by 1972 Study
Well, source?

[Anonymous No.13523283]

>>13523180
>>13523242
Thinking slavery was ever abolished is highly bluepilled. Complex economies cannot survive without slavery. Industrial technological society is no exception, in fact it needs slavery the most to keep the system going. Slavery today might not be called slavery, but it's just a matter of wording.

[Anonymous No.13523421]

>>13523283
Correct. Foxxcon employees (among others) are exploited like slaves. They just aren't black with a chain around their neck.

In any case, slavery was abolished in the west in the 19th century, not because we became happy and nice people, but because it wasn't economically viable anymore.

People ITT fantasizing about slavery are not aware of the fact that slavery is only viable in low productivity environments, were human work is not enhanced by machines. When human work is enhanced by machines, wage labor is more economically viable, because it is more flexible. Indeed, wage workers can be employed and fired at will, in opposition to slaves, which cost resources even if they are not productive.

[Anonymous No.13523455]

>>13519087
>civilization as we know it will collapse in the next 20-50 years
it will collapse within the next 300 years, if spengler is correct (he is)

[Anonymous No.13523568]

>>13519087
Practice and most importantly make sure you have a local community to live in. You won't incel it out in the woods alone.

[Anonymous No.13523598]

>>13523421
Low productivity environments are the only viable environments in a future without petroleum products. Machines can only accomplish so much.

[Anonymous No.13523684]

Nuclear energy can provide power for millenia and fusion energy until heat death. Genetic engineering will develop new crops suited for changing climatic conditions. Geoengineering will prevent a runaway greenhouse effect. AI will increase productivity significantly.

Try to learn both useful and marketable skills to acquire wealth and passive income generating assets.

[Anonymous No.13523705]

>>13519087
>ebooks
>for a collapse

If you aren't already preparing for it ahead of time while materials are still available, you are wrong.

[Anonymous No.13523716]

>>13523598
I don't think we will return to such low productivity were slave (meant as property upon human beings). are economically viable. After the correct use of the steam engine, they weren't economically viable. So we have to go back to levels of productivity comparable to the middle of the 19th century for slaves to be economically viable. I don't see that happening, even with a shortage of resources.

[Anonymous No.13523798]

>>13523716
See >>13522675

[Anonymous No.13523832]

Spengler was right.

[Anonymous No.13523847]

THE WORLD IS NOT HEATING UP, AS IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED. IT IS *COOLING DOWN*, THEN, FREEZING UP.

THE INTENSE HEATS ARE BUT THE CREST OF THE WAVE BEFORE CLIMATE RECESSION INTO THE OCEAN OF GLOBAL CHILL. PEOPLE WISH IT'D STAY AN ETERNAL SUMMER...

THE SUN IS TURNING AWAY FROM THE EARTH FOR A TIME.

[Anonymous No.13524035]

>>13522109
Not the one you are replying to, but, I don't understand

[Anonymous No.13524054]

>>13522374
>It brought us where to we are today
I respect your point of view, but in my opinion, that does not mean it is the only way humanity can develop itself. Sorry if I misunderstood you

[Anonymous No.13524081]

>>13524035
People want to keep the thried world as is, so they can maintanin their priviliged way of life. If everyone was to consume like like the US and Europe, they planet would collapse much much faster.

[Anonymous No.13524125]

>>13524054
Can the other ways build and maintain infrastructure? Can they fight in wars? Can they be made an example of? Can they reproduce exponentially?

[Anonymous No.13524139]

>>13519087
how are you going to access the copntents of a hard drive if civilization collapses?? You're going to need a hard copy of anything you want to access after the apocalypse.

[Anonymous No.13524156]

>>13519210
>things have never been better therefore things won't get worse in the future

Reminder that you're all sharing this board with absolute fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.13524535]

>>13519210
Lmao holy fuck I was gunna post the same skeptical bullshit to OP but fuck ive changed my mind.
>I have nice things what could go wrong?
Has to be the most short sighted bullshit.