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Homer. Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:46:11 2019 No.13516771 [Reply] [Original]

What am I in for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:46:40 2019 No.13516774 >>13516771 basicaly the first manga

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:47:21 2019 No.13516778 Lots of names and lots of violence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:48:32 2019 No.13516785 >>13516771 Lists of things

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:48:53 2019 No.13516788 >>13516771 I read the simplified version back in my childhood (without knowing it was a simplified version), it was rad. I wanted to read the Odyssey, but we didn't have a copy, and I wasn't in the habit of asking for things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:49:49 2019 No.13516793 >>13516771 The greatest book in history, full stop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:52:36 2019 No.13516804 >>13516774 >this nigger forgot about the wacky hijinks of Gilgamesh and Enkidu

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:55:15 2019 No.13516824

>>13516778
Yeah, the names are really fucking me up. This edition uses the latin denominators for the Olympians (Juno instead of Zeus), and not knowing who the fuck Atreus or the Atriders are, why Achilles is referred to as Pelides for no fucking reason every few minutes, is mind numbing.

Still having a blast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:00:21 2019 No.13516852 Best girl Athena bullying Trojans

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:02:13 2019 No.13516864 Who's Homer? I only knows Omeros.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:15:04 2019 No.13516947 It’s shit because no trojan horse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:25:08 2019 No.13516993 >>13516947 shut up, Virgil

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:25:23 2019 No.13516997 >>13516771 a trash translation and destruction of one of the greatest works of literature ever, go learn greek

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:33:05 2019 No.13517030

A very poignant and epic story with some touching moments. Mostly, it's just battle scenes though, and lists--lots and lots of lists. When you get used to all the names though it does feel pretty great. By about half way you get a real sense of the war and how it's progressing. I didn't expect so much intervention from the gods, but this made it read almost like a fantasy, what with Diomedes raging with the help of Pallas Athene and Poseidon helping Hektor and so forth. It's genuinely epic. Also, pure brotherly love and honour.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:44:49 2019 No.13517103 A satanic book. Stop reading Greek books and grab the Bible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:48:48 2019 No.13517127 >>13516771 Based Pope Translation

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:31:28 2019 No.13517329

>>13516771
Depending on how much you know your classics your enjoyment will vary.
If you read it with little to no knowledge (besides zeus shit thunder and poseidon dances on the sea) you will have a lesser enjoyment.

There really should be a companion for illiad for plebs with no greek-latin and phd in classics. I have yet to find it.
But Homer assumes a lot of knowledge, and there is a lot of scholarship that explains some weird stuff (like why homer says swift footed Achilles when his speed-feet has nothing to do with whats going on)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:35:22 2019 No.13517339 >>13517329 So everything is a pleb... if they don't a a phd in classics? That's great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:41:01 2019 No.13517356 >>13516824 What's your IQ?..........................

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:43:44 2019 No.13517369 >>13516993 Different anon, but the horse being only in the fanfiction made me question everything I knew about history.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:43:51 2019 No.13517370

>>13516824
That fucking annoys me desu. Do some research. When I read it I actively googled several of the names and found out more. You clearly don't give a shit. Also, use your brain? Pelides is because he's the son of Peleus. Aiakides is because he's the grandson of Aeucus. Atraides = sons of Atreus.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:46:47 2019 No.13517387

>>13517339
No not everything is pleb( but you are a pleb if you don't know your latin-greek and have a phd in humanities, and just have some wagecuck degree to make your patrician boss rich so that his patrician son can learn classics)

My point is, a lot more enjoyment can be taken from Homer if you don't go blindly, there is a lot of scholarship who talks about both subtle nuances and important big things that can contribute to your enjoyment greatly. I really hope they will make a good companion for Homer book. Not for Grad students but for the average reader.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:49:14 2019 No.13517401 >>13517369 There are lost parts of the epic cycle, it could have been in one of those and thats how Virgil knew of it

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:49:51 2019 No.13517405

>>13517387
Honestly, I think just reading a comprehensive volume on Greek mythology covering all the royal families, the major deities and whatnot is enough. Then as you're going along, reading through the Iliad slowly, just take the time to read up about various people and events you don't understand. Lattimore's introduction is what you're talking about to be honest. He gives an long essay all about the history and context, the style and form, etc. etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:51:01 2019 No.13517413 >>13517329 I strongly recommend "The Mortal Hero" by Schein.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:03:50 2019 No.13517677 >>13516824 This is why I recommend Fagles, whether you think his translations are good or not the notes and glossary are extremely helpful

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:07:49 2019 No.13517694 A rough time if you decided to ignore all advice and not read copious amounts of relevant material before diving in >>13516824 Is there no name list at the back? If not just print one out

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:10:18 2019 No.13517700 File: 57 KB, 360x450, P-O-P-E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] P O P E O P E

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:15:43 2019 No.13517721 Should have got the Lattimore senpai. You goofed up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:18:46 2019 No.13517738 >>13516824 >Juno instead of Zeus Big YIKES

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:29:08 2019 No.13517789 >read the odyssey >not a single d'oh 2/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:40:50 2019 No.13517827 File: 69 KB, 672x1087, e69.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13516771 >homer turn on the tv :D >homer is dead :D

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 20:48:49 2019 No.13517858 >>13517738 kek, I think he meant Jove.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 21:12:42 2019 No.13517931 File: 132 KB, 993x583, 1541957403979.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 23:21:29 2019 No.13518393 >>13517931 Is this image designed to trigger people?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 23:22:17 2019 No.13518397 >>13516771 cute hands, post feet

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 04:45:10 2019 No.13519327 >>13516771 SNEED

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:19:12 2019 No.13519898

>>13516824
You should probably read some form of compendium on ancient greek mythology and history to get a better grasp.
I can't really recommend a good one, since the one I have is in danish, but there should be plenty in english or whatever other languages you're able to read.

Using the latin names in a greek text sounds really dumb and confusing desu. But dw at some point all of the names are just gonna stick, especially if you keep on and read Ovid or Virgil aswell.

The reason for the names is because they're using based patronymic names. (Achilles is Pelides bcause he's the son of Peleus and so on)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:20:20 2019 No.13519900 >>13516824 also Zeus is Jupiter in the roman pantheon, Juno is Hera, (Zeus' consort)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:45:56 2019 No.13519986 X killed Y. Y killed Z. A killed B. C killed D. Achilles cries.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:47:30 2019 No.13519998 >>13517677 Fagles is the equivalent of John Green. Go with either Lattimore, Verity, or Fitzgerald.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 08:45:02 2019 No.13520154 >not reading the original greek. as a native greek, i pity the barbarians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 09:02:52 2019 No.13520214 Homer yuour late for work :D Homer is dead :D

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 12:11:09 2019 No.13520951 Chapman is the only translation of Iliad I've read, but its probably the best

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 12:14:34 2019 No.13520969 Lion similes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 12:24:02 2019 No.13521008 >>13520154 Pay denbts

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 12:24:28 2019 No.13521010 >>13520969 An absolute fuck ton of lion similes. They get boring fast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 12:54:44 2019 No.13521139 Possibly a bad translation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 13:04:23 2019 No.13521181 >>13517369 it's mentioned in the odyssey

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 13:05:27 2019 No.13521183 >>13517700 nope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 13:09:59 2019 No.13521202 File: 51 KB, 446x397, hector.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13519986

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 13:11:01 2019 No.13521207 >>13520951 the hell it is

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