God please give me cope

[Anonymous No.13512553]

God please give me cope. Please give a cope strong enough for me to keep living. Please give a cope strong enough for me not to question life. Please give me cope strong enough to delude myself into loving life. Please make me believe in you. I don't want to fail like kierkegaard, wittgenstein, and kafka.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13512561]

Why do you like to do, anon?

[Anonymous No.13512588]

>>13512561
Do you consider yourself intelligent for shilling a book that even a high school kid can understand? Your brain on atheism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13512590]

What do you like to do, anon?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13512595]

>>13512588
Why don’t you understand it though?

[Anonymous No.13512610]

>>13512553
why are anons like you so obsessed with the cope meme? Maybe you could get out more?

[Anonymous No.13512653]

>>13512553
You only need Jesus, go and pray like He taught us.

[Anonymous No.13512763]

>>13512590
Hi butterfly. I like to think a lot. Not rumination but more like an artistic type with (non-spiritual) type of revelations. I'm very proud of the fact I can do this while still doing well at a top school. Other than that I like to play sports, read, and hang out with friends, but I just cannot take existence like this any longer. I really do not want to kill myself but it feels like an inevitability no matter what I do. Yesterday I smoked weed with a girl I thought was cute and while talking to her I somehow convinced myself for a few seconds that this is hell because it would be impossible for god to make normal life this awful while still being a just god. This is the second time this has happened this week and I fear that I really need a cope to keep me cognitively dissonant to continue living life. And I do not want to reach out to friends or family because I do not want to burden or worry them.

[Anonymous No.13512773]

>>13512610
I play sports regularly. I go out regularly. Somehow I am not a NEET.

>>13512653
If I was going to be religious why would I choose christianity over islam or one of the spiritual traditions?

[Anonymous No.13512814]

>>13512595
Butterfly I'm in love with you, I want to lick your body clean, I want to drown in the depths of your love, I want to suffocate in the sweet taste of your lips, of your soul... Of your being

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>>13512763
So weed knocked some chemical balance out and you weirded yourself out with some existentialist dread. Don’t freak out, try to control it, firstly by not smoking out I guess. The world is in a terrible situation but it is not the mythical Hell. It is death that is meaningless and life that has all the meanings before you. Since the former is inevitable, why egg it on, why rush off to it? For curiosity’s alone I’d live 200 more years.
Maybe eating differently can help too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBWDIzHldPg

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>>13512814
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>>13512773
All Abrahamic religion sucks

[Anonymous No.13513143]

>>13512773
>>13512553
You have to find out yourself if Jesus is the Truth, keep questioning.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

[Anonymous No.13513304]

>>13512829
I agree
>>13512819
Thanks for your help butterfly.
I meant for the weed example to show how pervasive the despair is; that even when smoking and talking with someone very attractive existential despair can also set in.
I have seen the video you sent which was great. Nietzche I love but probably not as much as some other people and I did not feel as if he helped me go through shit. Stirner is very interesting although I am more of a marxist myself.
You are trans yourself so I'm assuming you went through tough shit and maybe you have something unique to say.

[Anonymous No.13513309]

>>13513143
Thank you christian anon. Although it does feel disingenuous to suddenly turn religious just because it would make my life easier

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>>13513304
I am not trans. I am simply a homosexual. Messed up upbringing but quite happy now.

As a Marxist you have a mission in your life, don’t you? You’re having doubts about it’s chances? I do, but that is still no excuse. You have to start preparing yourself for this coming crisis.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzdmDTiSFN4

[Anonymous No.13513700]

>>13513367
Butterfly are you that one fucker on discord who wouldnt shut the fuck up about spirituality?

[Anonymous No.13513752]

Apology for Raymond Sebond and Of Experience did. Really puts things into perspective. Montaigne is the antithesis of people like Kierkegaard, Wittgenstein, and Kafka, whose excessive intellectuality made turned into neurotic anxiety and sickness. Dostoevsky diagnoses the type perfectly, and you know well enough that the those guys are not role models.
You don't use reason or learnedness to make your your way to the other side - you would have to be superhuman to do that (Plato, Aristotle, and Spinoza got there, but imperfectly and they have attractive dogmatic tendencies which nearly throw their divine accomplishments into discredit). Montaigne teaches you that learnedness and reasoning simply are the highest amusements, but that you are a human and no amount of philosophy will put you above shitting, cumming, and dying. His extreme learnedness - casual memorization of lines from it seems like ancient writer you haven't read - combined with his dismissness towards learning overwhelm you with the sense that you can be an intellectual without being the diseased intellectual who can never make a decision because he must be perfect.
You will never be perfect - that's what Wittgenstein in particular twisted himself into awful knots never accepting. You can still be good nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.13513755]

>>13513752
*did it for me

[Anonymous No.13513759]

>>13513752
you reminded me to read some Montaigne again. thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.13513804]

>>13513752
Thanks for the reply anon. I read on montaigne and Essais last year, and he seemed to me similar to the writers I mentioned, in fact reading montaigne and spinoza in particular I felt striken by how similar they were to me before I got plunged into this hole which I am desperately trying to get out of. However, maybe with this current context and your comment montaigne will be different.
I will definitely read essais again.
Plato I have immense respect for, but very little annoys more in this world than people who worship plato and the greeks, maybe it is because many pseuds do that but that should not diminish him. I have not read aristotle.

[Anonymous No.13513826]

>>13512553
Gotta give God a voice. Let Him speak when you pray.
Roleplay if you must. Most people these days are too cynical to believe that prayer works or that they'll hear something back (either consciously or subconsciously). So imagine someone who knows you the best, yourself if you have to, and imagine that person older, wiser, and an ideal version. He knows you better than anyone and knows all your experiences so can empathize. There's no reason to lie to this person since what is to be gained by being untruthful and lying to oneself? Imagine how this ideal self would respond. What would be the wisest thing they would tell you. What would be the moral advice? How would they comfort you?
Overtime, you'll build a stronger and stronger relationship with this persona.
Overtime, you'll realize that Christ was with you the whole time; you just didn't notice.

God is omnipresent, even in minds.

[Anonymous No.13513863]

anthony?

[Anonymous No.13513872]

>>13513367
Sorry, I assumed you were trans for the longest time because of the hateful replies and the feteshized comments you sometimes get.

Yes, as a marxist I do indeed have a mission of emancipating the working class. And under that falls organizing, educating, and all the other forms of praxis. And yes I do believe communism and socialism will never be achievable under the dialectic and that we are all doomed to extinction under capitalism, but I feel like this does not solve existential distress, simply solve life's purpose completely but only adds a small piece of the puzzle to life's entirety.
I mentioned wittgenstein before and I feel like I can use him as a way to better explain this. He tore himself over the limits of human potential using his logic, and then later language games, as a sort of cope that ultimately never completely helped him cope and he kept on destroying his mental well being over this. Similarly (although I am sure my struggles are nowhere near as bad as his since I have lived much less of life) I tear my well being over the limits of human potential and the impossibility of perfection, and the displaced rumination over this perfection, and the impossibility of perfection even under human limits precisely because of the impossibility of perfection. The only saviour seems to be death and I desperately seek something to keep me cognitively dissonant to either make life bearable so I do not kill myself, or to make me reject this completley. Kierkegaard offers a solution, but it seems clear it won't work unless you are already deeply religious, and that he himself did not achieve it. Marxism offers a antidote in praxis and theory being praxis. Another anon talks about montaigne. You talk about epicurus and nietzsche. Some people never fall into it in the first place by never thinking about it too much. Some people meditate. I wish I just had something to grab me and "delude" me.

[Anonymous No.13513904]

>>13513872
>Kierkegaard offers a solution, but it seems clear it won't work unless you are already deeply religious, and that he himself did not achieve it.
You don't need to be a paragon to be a knight of faith. You just need to make the move toward the initial belief in a seaming act of absurdity. It's like the obverse of:
>Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.
in that
>Beware that, when chasing God, you yourself might become godlike... for when you gaze long into God. God gazes also into you.
When faced with the crisis of existence, the only optimal choice is to seek the infinite and eternal Truth. All other "truths" are resigned and fundamentally nihilistic in comparison: whether that be knighting for Marxism and the nebulous "working class" idealism, or the genetically pure nation state, or the accumulation of arbitrary amounts of material wealth. Not of these are transcendent modes of the human condition. Seek things beyond this existence, and those things will seek you.

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>>13513872
Look, if we can avoid extinction, we have a real chance of achieving self-evolutionary techniques that will lead us to near immortal neo-humans or something. A whole wide adventure awaits these potential people.
That’s enough for me I suppose. A mother’s instinct? I want to see my children grow up and have a wonderful life?
The notions of a wrathful creator and an eternal afterlife with the guy, who, if he were actually intelligent, knew people would make like on earth a living hell for having believed in all that crap... worst absentee father award.
I don’t see it as delusional either. When I see parents playing with their children by a fountain, the joy I feel makes life worth living

[Anonymous No.13515078]

>>13515030
I don't think transhumanism will be a satisfying solution to the existential crisis. It'll feel more like being a slave than material godhood. As if you got all the cheat codes to WoW, but were stuck playing it for all eternity; it would dawn on you well before year 1 trillion that you were in hell.

Not to pop your optimistic bubble, just that I don't think people play through transhumanism to its teleological conclusion.

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>>13515078
>freedom will feel like slavery
Codyseps infection
Notice I said near immortality.

[Anonymous No.13515133]

>>13512553
Why the fuck do you want to delude yourself into thinking life is a good thing? Just blow your brains out and get it over with.

[Anonymous No.13515145]

>>13512553
>cope
Why don't you even want health? Why do you want a false health?

[Anonymous No.13515162]

>>13515124
Maybe early stage transhumanism.
But what makes you think that you'll have a choice?
I don't think slave masters were too keen on their slaves running away or self-terminating. There's no expression of power so distilled than having eternal ownership over someone else's freedom.

[Anonymous No.13515520]

>>13515078
>>13515162
The techies of course will argue that even if the human body and brain as we know them become obsolete, immortality in the form (ii) can still be achieved: Man-machine hybrids will permanently retain their usefulness, because by linking themselves with ever-more-powerful machines human beings (or what is left of them) will be able to remain competitive with pure machines.

But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

[Anonymous No.13515522]

>>13515520
The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

[Anonymous No.13515525]

>>13515522
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

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>>13515162
The social maturity I aim for coincides with the technological. We wont need rabid consumerism, statist concepts like war and class. We’ll have boatloads of challenges, just as much to do with preserving what’s left of the ecosystem as ironing out new social norms, so if paradise scares you, don’t worry about it. There won’t be any slave masters. You imagine the THX dystopia and that can happen still if we preserve capitalism and authoritarianism, (and hand that authority to an emotionless borg like AI).

>>13515520
I don’t see dropping baby brains in vats at the top of mechas. I do see an organic adaptation, or organic like synthetic, that will mimic the regular human being in all the important ways. As a first stage anyway. Something to cure backaches to cancer... so the biological and the artificial will have to mesh, blur the lines.

[Anonymous No.13516606]

>>13516588
fuck off

[Anonymous No.13516625]

>>13515525
>templeOS is missing

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>>13513700
>>13516606
No.

[Anonymous No.13516922]

>>13516588
>There won’t be any slave masters. You imagine the THX dystopia and that can happen still if we preserve capitalism and authoritarianism, (and hand that authority to an emotionless borg like AI).
It looks like things are heading toward that direction. Nothing looks like it can change the inertia; we are constructing the instrumentality of our digital enslavement.
I'd like to see more neoreaction to this, but it seems most sentiment there is to cheer it on (both left and right) in some sort of nihilistic acceleration hoping that it'll collapse on itself or that this independent techno-emergence is miraculously benevolent. Giving that it's capital corporations e.g. Google, Amazon Facebook, etc. and the military-industrial complex behind this push (and not say theologians, artists, philosophers and the like), my pessimism is inclined that we are building a digital Moloch.

[Anonymous No.13516927]

You guys do realise you have the ability to chill inside of you

The night is the darkest just a moment before the sunrise, i am sending all of you some warm hugs and kisses :*:*:*

[Anonymous No.13517123]

>>13516588
Butterfly, are you a lesbian? I would happily fall in love with you and engage in philosophical antics with you, provided you come to London. Let’s start a revolution, butterfly, not of materialistic intent but with the goal of providing utmost spirituality and the highest just. We’ll do it in Moldova and the Earth and citizens will be our children.

[Anonymous No.13517583]

>>13515030
OP here
We do indeed have a chance of these self-evolutionary techniques, maybe even move beyond the human. But no natter what this has its limits. Transhumanism is stupid precisely because it comes from a lack of perfection to move into perfection rather than a perfection describing its perfection. Artificial intelligence could achieve that if it is indeed exponential/limitless. But even then these ideas are all seized under capitalism. Of course this shouldn't affect praxis and the building of revolution too much, but it offers new cynicism. The only way for us to properly make use of these possibilities is after the big win of post-capitalism, and even then it is not complete perfection.
And to the sceond point I am glad you do have this mother's instinct and love for the children. But to me, I cannot properly see myself ever having kids. Not because I dislike kids, but the opposite, because I like them too much. I cannot justify to myself bringing a child into this world with the possibility of them being plunged into this despair, or to force them to make their way through life simply because I wanted to birth them so that I myself am happier. I am not one those edgy boi antinatalists and do believe individuals should make this decision on their own, but I cannot justify it to myself.
I think the evolutionary purpose of consciousness is the extinction of its subject. The post human possibilites give us a chance to solve this, but can never give us pure perfection. Except extinction through anti-natalism I guess as it offers both an ethical way of ending the "human" and a solution to any angst.

[Anonymous No.13517605]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1egijJcVle3

:3

For Butterfly and Marxists.

[Anonymous No.13517676]

>>13516927
Thanks

>>13516922
Why stop at that though?
The nature of the singularity itself should give so much more shit than a simple declaration of a singulairty and what it will be generally. The solving of time, or at least the issues temporality poses. Solving space and intensity. The nihilism both pose. Why consider capital as a form linked to the noumena rather than a future sort of the will of the proletatiat using this capital from the heights of the noumena. The interesting solution singularity posits to post-humanism and to gaia. Is it better to see this singularity as always here and ever present, rather than something materializing itself through our understanding/experience of time?
Too often I hear people read some of the accelerationists, declare we are going to a singulairty, and then stop there. Land at least says this and then after that declares we should only strap-on for the ride. Most people say the first half and then neglect the second half because they are so proud of themselves for arriving at the first half.

[Anonymous No.13517806]

>>13512553

>Whatever is of the nature to arise is of the nature to cease

>Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox.

>Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow.

>Hunger is the worst disease, conditioned things the worst suffering. Knowing this as it really is, the wise realize Nibbana, the highest bliss.

>Good is virtue until life's end, good is faith that is steadfast, good is the acquisition of wisdom, and good is the avoidance of evil.

>Beset by craving, people run about like an entrapped hare. Held fast by mental fetters, they come to suffering again and again for a long time.

[Anonymous No.13517816]

>>13517605
While I don't necessarily hate this voice recording specifically. To even think we are approaching something "similar" to the 20th century and class conflict and all that shit can definitely be scary especially for someone like you.

But I feel like I have finally grasped how or why you are so stupid. I feel like maybe you are a 90-100 iq idiot. But the problem comes once we can recognize that you seem like a 90 iq idiot desperately trying to sound like a midwit. Not necessarily an idiot trying to sound smart, because there is nothing particularly wrong with that if you have a good point, but an idiot trying desperately to be a midwit thus in you we can observe the worst of both worlds.
This is why your unique strand of stupid is sometimes more stupid than even some of the /pol idiots

[Anonymous No.13517837]

>>13516625
It's the second to last one retard

[Anonymous No.13517884]

>>13517676
Was listening to Land earlier, now that you mention it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDMVYNX9xPw
But was frustrated that while he seemingly has a telos, I don't quite get his teleology. It's that "second half" you mention that I find nebulous.
If the collapse/singularity is the accellerationist's first half, then what proceeds from it? Is some sort of transcendence? Some sort of transhumanistic-cybernetic ubermensch fulfillment? Actual Truth?

I'm not trying to be dismissive, I'm quite sincere in wanting to know. While I agree with the neoreactionaries on their analysis of the state of our current condition (and how we slid here), I'm just not seeing the solutions with clarity. Right now, they seem very conditional and based on non-linear/secular events to occur and even then I'm not sure how those outcomes our managed after that.

At least with the other groups, their telos is clear (though flawed):
>Racial Nationalists: Take power during the calamity of the collapse and institute their policies
>Marxists: Take power during the calamity of the collapse and institute their policies
It's all a gambit that's conditional in the acceleration producing a collapse (or singularity), and another gamble on coming out on-top in the aftermath. For all we know, both sides lose and the status quo capital just reinstalls itself; making the whole acceleration a moot endeavor.

[Anonymous No.13518803]

>>13513826
Has that worked for you?
I find this roleplay hard to believe

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13518877]

>>13517583
>it comes from a lack of perfection to move into perfection rather than a perfection describing its perfection
Pardon?
Don’t be so obsessed with perfection. All we need is breathing room, for the world’s population to think. And AI is an interesting concept, but we make AI 1.0, Actual Intelligence, all the time. Do we really need our slave machines to feel their entrapped poverty?
>I think the evolutionary purpose of consciousness is the extinction of its subject.
Oh stop. It’s a lovely quirk. Perhaps brought on by an accidental diet of mushrooms.
As for kids, I’ve none either, but here I take a line of Stirner to perhaps an absurd level. You are all my children.

[Anonymous No.13519159]

>>13518877
mommy butterfly, pls grant us your milkies

[Anonymous No.13519602]

>>13517806
Why choose one spiritual tradition over the other?

[Anonymous No.13520617]

>>13518803
Yes it has.
Of course it'll be hard to believe initially, hence why you roleplay. You're essentially suspending the disbelief of disbelief.
Think of it as method acting within an internal dialogue. However, it's is a transformative & self-actualizing performance where the act eventually morphs into sincerity the more you develop it.
This dialectic changes from a roleplay to a type of metaphysical communion (prayer) as you develop a space for God within your mind.

Hence why I call the exercise: "Giving God a voice". It's very easy to not hear God's wisdom in your prayers if He has no means to communicate back to you or is not represented in good faith. Else you end up with prayer being a futile task of speaking to the wind or arguing against a straw-man-God.

[Anonymous No.13520647]

>>13518877
Do not post in my thread

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13520664]

>>13520647
Get off OPs thread

[Anonymous No.13521057]

>>13520664
i am OP and i will tell your dumbass once more

Do not post in my thread, faggot

[Anonymous No.13521347]

>>13519602
pick which one works the best for you I suppose
Buddhism is fairly simple and practice-oriented above all else
well known for its "come and see" approach