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[Anonymous No.13500513]

>God isn't real because all loving God wouldn't let bad things happen
Is there a bigger sign of a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.13500523]

>>13500513
Yes, believing in a literal anthropomorphic god

[Anonymous No.13500525]

Well provide the answer if you believe you have it. It's usually some bullshit.

[Anonymous No.13500549]

1931 china floods. 4 million dead.
1970 Bhola Cyclone. 500k dead.
2010 Haiti Earthquake. 316k dead.
1920 Haiyuan earthquake. 273k dead.
2004 indian tsunami. 227k dead.
1935 Yangtze river flood. 145k dead.
1923 Great Kanto earthquake. 143k dead.
1991 Bangladesh cyclone. 138k dead.

No "free will" sophistry will justify this. Your god is a mass murderer.

[Anonymous No.13500556]

>>13500549
>b-but muh preservation of nature
They have no answers, especially when the Judeo-Christian god has intervened countless times in nature to save lives.

[Anonymous No.13500561]

>>13500549
Not to mention all the horrible diseases and famines. The free will argument is bullshit anyway. Thanks god for letting this backwards warlord cut off my hands and cut out my eyeballs and cut my mother's breasts off and rape my wife and kill my kids; at least the fucker has free will!

[Anonymous No.13500571]

>>13500549
>>13500556
>>13500561
>God has a plan for all of us, anon :)

[Anonymous No.13500575]

>>13500549
The Lord giveth, and he taketh away

[Anonymous No.13500576]

>>13500571
>mysterious ways anon :)

[Anonymous No.13500581]

>>13500549
>>13500556
>>13500561
>>13500571
>>13500576
Why are you responding to yourself

[Anonymous No.13500592]

>>13500581
I can only speak to myself, but im only one of those.

[Anonymous No.13500601]

>>13500581
Wrong

[Anonymous No.13500610]

>>13500513
>OP thinks he's more intelligent than Epicurus
>still believes in a benevolent God in the year two thousand fucking nineteen
Www lad

[Anonymous No.13500615]

>>13500549
murder is a human concept. God is not human. you're a brainlet.

>>13500513
no sir, there is not.

[Anonymous No.13500618]

>>13500549
I fail to see how an early death is a bad thing all the time.

It simply releases this soul from this life on earth, with all of the sinful desires endemic to this world. I hardly think anyone who ACTUALLY believes in God really fears death at all.

:3

[Anonymous No.13500626]

>>13500615
>NOOOO! MY DADDY CAN'T BE A MURDERER CAUSE I DEFINE MURDER IN A WAY THAT SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES HIM!!!

[Anonymous No.13500627]

>>13500513
he didnt even say this as far as we know

[Anonymous No.13500628]

>>13500523
>>13500525
>>13500549
>>13500610

[Anonymous No.13500644]

>>13500626
I already said you're a brainlet, you don't have to prove it to everyone.

[Anonymous No.13500646]

>>13500628
I'm a Gnostic, because it's the religion that makes most sense, but you keep posting your fedoras, you intellectually dishonest dunce

[Anonymous No.13500656]

>>13500549
Who hurt you as a child?

[Anonymous No.13500658]

>>13500615
Have you read the ten commandments, bud? Or are you making these claims as a non-christian?

[Anonymous No.13500659]

>>13500549
>if god real why bad thing happen

[Anonymous No.13500673]

>>13500659
You type that as if the argument isn't valid against the Christian God. No amount of wojaks will change that.

[Anonymous No.13500715]

Related question: I often hear it from theists that God not only created but constantly sustains everything in existence, including the laws of physics. In that case, how is there such a thing as God "letting something happen" as opposed to actively making it happen? If I fire a gun at someone, he is willfully sustaining the existence of the bullet and the physical laws that carefully guide it to its destination. If I stab someone, he's not merely standing by, it's as if he is holding my hand the entire time and moving it with me. Would this not make God at least an accomplice in all sins?

[Anonymous No.13500718]

>>13500656
Maybe an earthquake, cyclone, or flood.

[Anonymous No.13500722]

>>13500673
It’s not a valid argument of God in general. I would agree for the Christian god, with one exception.

But I think that the God they believe in is the same as anyone else believes in. There is only one God and people believe in him in different ways. :3

[Anonymous No.13500723]

>>13500715
As I said. Murder is a human concept, a human crime based on human norms that enforce human laws. God can't commit murder. It's impossible. Not only because he is not human, but also because he is not beholden to human laws or norms. So when brainlets say "your God is a murderer!!!!" it only shows they have no idea what they're talking about.

>>13500715
Romans 11:32
>For God has consigned all people to disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all.

[Anonymous No.13500724]

meant for >>13500658

[Anonymous No.13500727]

>>13500715
Anyone who argues that he sustains it is stupid.

The correct argument is this: he has created this Earth, LIKE the laws of physics, and people use it how they will.

God is aware of everything everyone does and thinks, but he does not stop someone from killing others ALL the time. Perhaps sometimes he does.

He is God. He has his reasons. Regardless, if the person who died was virtuous, his letting them die, meant his time for a reward on this Earth has come :3

[Anonymous No.13500734]

>>13500727
What about stopping disasters in areas not populated by Christians? Wouldn’t that be pretty merciful?

[Anonymous No.13500748]

>>13500734
If they don’t believe in God, you might argue that is why a disaster would befall them.

You see the wildfires and drought in California, for instance, a state populated by homosexuals, an abomination and a disease on mankind. Maybe the big one is coming for them, an easy purge

:3

[Anonymous No.13500758]

>>13500628
Kek this is probably my favorite one yet

[Anonymous No.13500760]

>>13500748
So beleive in god or else? thats some real motivation to side with god right there

[Anonymous No.13500766]

>>13500748
Fucking based
I love it when people die painful deaths
Fuck all this pussy peace and love God shit

[Anonymous No.13500769]

>>13500760
Cool.

Yeah, God has killed people for infidelity before. Read the Bible or the Koran.

You believing in ‘subjective morality’ is obviously acceptable to the extent it doesn’t infringe upon the commandments. This is important for a well-functioning society

[Anonymous No.13500777]

>>13500723
>So when brainlets say "your God is a murderer!!!!" it only shows they have no idea what they're talking about.
No, you idiot. It means we don't agree with your retarded definition of murder. This is literally what you are telling us:
>God cannot murder because he is just so much more superior than us and therefore he has the right to just arbitrarily destroy our lives and kill us. Oh how do I know that he's so much more superior? Well of course he told me in his book ghostwritten by his self-professed slaves thousands of years ago.
>For God has consigned all people to disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all.
And you see no problem in this? Creating real creatures with real emotions and attachments and ambitions solely for the purpose of living out your narcissistic fantasy where you "show mercy" to them by "saving" them from the sins you forced them to commit. Your god is an abject tyrant, my friend. I would rather burn in hell than commit myself to him.

[Anonymous No.13500778]

>>13500760
Yes.
Fags make me fucking sick.
I'd fucking love it if they all got flayed and chucked in big vats of salt.
They are an abomination as the other anon said.

:)

[Anonymous No.13500779]

>>13500766
I can’t even tell if you’re being sarcastic, that’s how fucking retarded you are.

But if you’re serious, congratulations, you have transcended something important, that many others have yet to transcend.

[Anonymous No.13500786]

>>13500777
>applying the diagnosis of "narcissism" to a being you don't and can't possibly understand
Like I said. Brainless Maximus.

[Anonymous No.13500795]

>>13500786
dude mysterious ways!
honestly fuck christ fags, insufferable assholes. every interaction I have with them pushes me closer to hell

[Anonymous No.13500797]

This shit again

[Anonymous No.13500814]

>>13500797
>le smug cartoon
Wow!

[Anonymous No.13500826]

>>13500786
And this you know from a book written thousands of years ago by god's slaves who told you that he was so great that he just gets to slaughter people when he feels like it. I guess you also believe people in North Korea when they tell you how great their glorious leader is?

[Anonymous No.13500829]

>>13500795
My experience with atheist fags has been way worse

[Anonymous No.13500830]

>>13500786
>Trying to apply anything to a being you don't and can't possibly understand
Yet its fine when religeon tries to apply the concept of mercy in order to gain favor?

[Anonymous No.13500866]

>>13500830
my favorite is
>"god is actually 3 different things but still one"
>"But wait that makes no sense"
>"I know, right? that's why He's so great!"

[Anonymous No.13500874]

>>13500814

[Anonymous No.13500883]

>>13500866
my favourite is
>Alright boys imma take one for the team and let one of the three me's get killed only to undo it and redo it later

[Anonymous No.13500887]

>>13500513
>Is there a bigger sign of a brainlet?
What exactly makes a sign "big"

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13500906]

>>13500866
>unironically being too dumb to understand the Godhead abs passing your ignorance off as legitimate critique
>>13500883
>not understanding “fully human”

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13500912]

>>13500826
Slaves how exactly?

[Anonymous No.13500919]

>>13500906
>Ability to undo death
>Fully human
Yeah somehow im not having any issues since its clearly a pick one scenario

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13500928]

>>13500919
>death somehow becomes non-painful if you’re God
>cannot be fully human and fully God at the same time
Wow

[Anonymous No.13500936]

>>13500928
>he’s a Chalcedonfag
Oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.13500945]

>>13500513

no, it's at least tied for first

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13500955]

>>13500936
Cringe

[Anonymous No.13500983]

>>13500575
This

[Anonymous !!/QsAFMQcgjT No.13500993]

>>13500646
No, it's the religion that caters most to your pride.
You're no different from "muh IQ is higher than yours" crowd. Gnosticism is a form of narcissism.

>>13500626
Stop projecting your anthropomorphism.
Even if you're trying to make fun of someone, saying the word "daddy" just makes you the cringey one.

>>13500549
You live in complete safety, and are always close to a plethora of food and water.
You watch endless hours of entertainment online and you receive constant stimulation from anonymous image boards.

Yet are you happy? Has this paradise alternative to suffering made you more virtuous? Or has it made you content to the state and to your own vices.
What have you done to alleviate the suffering of those around you? The homeless, the ill?

It is we who are responsible for each other. It will do us no credit to blame an ethereal being for the conditions of a mortal realm, when we have not even begun to act in His image.

The Father did not create the universe as a painting, to be perfect yet static and dead.
We live, we must give thanks, and must pursue all that is right. These three things are intrinsically related, and in a perfect world, we could do none of them.

[Anonymous No.13501011]

Without tragedy there's no purpose.
Without limitation there's no freedom.

[Anonymous No.13501019]

>>13500906
>unironically being too dumb to understand the Godhead abs passing your ignorance off as legitimate critique
It's not atheists who proclaimed that a tripartite god was a Mystery with a capital M.
>not understanding “fully human”
Oh wait you don't even know your own theology. Guess I shouldn't bother

[Anonymous No.13501062]

>>13500928
So why try and be human in the 1st place?
And why would trying to be human do anything to absolve anyone of sin?

[Anonymous No.13501089]

>>13500525
>In response to the question of how evil could exist in a good universe, Chrysippus replied "evil cannot be removed, nor is it well that it should be removed."[77] Firstly, he argued, following Plato, that it was impossible for good to exist without evil, for justice could not be known without injustice, courage without cowardice, temperance without intemperance or wisdom without foolishness.[78] Secondly, apparent evils exist as a consequent of nature's goodness, thus it was necessary for the human skull to be made from small and thin bones for reasons of utility, but this superior utility meant that the skull is vulnerable to blows.[78] Thirdly, evils are distributed according to the rational will of Zeus, either to punish the wicked or because they are important to the world-order as a whole.[79] Thus evil is good under disguise, and is ultimately conducive to the best. Chrysippus compared evil to the coarse jest in the comedy; for, just as the jest, though offensive in itself, improves the piece as a whole, "so too you may criticize evil regarded by itself, yet allow that, taken with all else, it has its use."[80]

[Anonymous No.13501091]

>>13500748
>>13500769
Lord please save me from your idiot followers

[Anonymous No.13501093]

>>13500513
I don't think that's what the argument means, sweatie.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13501115]

>>13501019
A mystery that was solved 1500 years ago, it’s just complicated to explain or understand. No one seriously argues against the current understanding today within the Christian faith.

Fully human and fully God. What is wrong with that?
>>13501062
Setting an example in the most easy to understand way, by being a sinless human

Not trying, being. And what a better sacrifice than God? No animal can top that, it would be blasphemy.

[Anonymous No.13501177]

>>13501115
yeah but he only demonstrated that sinless humans are killed and still did it knowingly.
Also if he lived as a sinless human to set an example he wouldn't have performed miracles because sinless humans aren't capable of miracles, instead showing us how to use his creation to solve our own problems as we eventually did would have been a better way to acheive that goal, not by showing what a sinless being looks like but what they can actually do.
The self sacrifice is also pointless because theres no loss, he is still god and can still be human.

[Anonymous No.13501197]

>>13500513
Yeah the full quote by Epictetus ends in “then why call him god” which is dumb because who said you had to like him

[Anonymous No.13501210]

If God is real then why does bad thing happen? I’m being100% serious, all the christcucks ITT mock people for saying it, but they can’t argue against it. If God is capable of literally ANYTHING then why would he create a universe where pain and badness exists? Don’t give me the “well without badness we couldn’t know goodness” bullshit, because we have already established he can do ANYTHING even things that don’t make any rational sense to us like walk on water, or be born without impregnation. Badness dosent have to exist in a universe with God.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13501221]

>>13501177
>yeah but he only demonstrated that sinless humans are killed and still did it knowingly.
Sinless humans outside of Jesus do not exist, at least not past the age.
>Also if he lived as a sinless human to set an example he wouldn't have performed miracles because sinless humans aren't capable of miracles, instead showing us how to use his creation to solve our own problems as we eventually did would have been a better way to acheive that goal, not by showing what a sinless being looks like but what they can actually do.
How else would He show his divinity? This was also a metaphor for the power of faith, as he received His power from God (in a sense, considering He was God).
>The self sacrifice is also pointless because theres no loss, he is still god and can still be human.
Why hasn’t He then, outside of the short period post-resurrection? Why hasn’t He struck anyone dead for disobeying Him? Because of the sacrifice, He is holding Himself back from taking the easy way out for sinners, as that would break the sinless sacrifice of Jesus.

[Anonymous No.13501298]

>>13501221
>Sinless humans outside of Jesus do not exist
>God proceeded to lead by example for things that cannot be sinless anyway
ok moving on to the divinity metaphor, it was 2000+19 years ago, god very easily could have done a better job with something we could understand back then because the average person was way too dumb for anything like metaphors for the power of faith and clearly this hasn't been as effective as a deities plan should be.
So to sum up his sacrifice didn't really end up being all that effective, his example has been left mostly unfollowed, people still a shit but at least you got a nice book to read and he didn't come back to be some kind of tsundere at us some more.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13501398]

>>13501298
>God proceeded to lead by example for things that cannot be sinless anyway
To sin as little as is capable for a human to do, to provide a standard to live up to. This makes sense. Why do humans have to be sinless in this scenario for you to understand it?
>clearly this hasn't been as effective as a deities plan should be.
How do you know?
>ok moving on to the divinity metaphor, it was 2000+19 years ago, god very easily could have done a better job with something we could understand back then because the average person was way too dumb for anything like metaphors for the power of faith
They’re not now, and I seriously think you are underestimating them or the ability and neccessity of priests. Why do you think they exist?
>So to sum up his sacrifice didn't really end up being all that effective, his example has been left mostly unfollowed, people still a shit but at least you got a nice book to read and he didn't come back to be some kind of tsundere at us some more.
Effective by what standard?
Also complete non-sequitur here, but are you a Meiko/Marifag?

[Anonymous No.13501424]

>>13500549
they deserved it

[Anonymous No.13501439]

>>13500549

Matthew 5:44-45

[Anonymous No.13501468]

>Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

[Anonymous No.13501504]

>>13500513
You're conflating two arguments of whether or not god is real to whether or not god is just which fundamentally is mishandled. The question of existence and moral culpability is two fundamentally separate questions UNLESS you define god as omnibenevolent, and such a being must be omnibenevolent to exist. If such a reason suits you, then you are fundamentally wrong to conclude that the God as Western cultures conceptualize it would exist

[Anonymous No.13501566]

>>13501398
>Posting a high score that cannot be bested is the best way to show others to strive for an ideal
It doesn't make sense though, you don't show people how to be better by the act of being better, you show them the how and the responsibilities that come from it.
>How do I know gods plan didnt work as well as it could have
I don't know if you noticed but we are starting to teeter on the edge of a dystopia in some places and even the church itself struggled to remain pure, men of faith failing tests of faith and temptation are never a reassuring sign for the effectiveness of his example, even if they are few, few is too many.
>Implying im not just an obvious crossboarder that thinks if god was omniscient and omnipotent they would have done a better job handling the big interaction with mankind
If gods plan was better there would be no need for priests because everyone would be devout and the world would be Eden 2:Electric boogaloo by now.

[Anonymous No.13501589]

>>13500525
If objective evil exists, then oblective moral laws exist, which imply a moral law-giver.

[Anonymous No.13501606]

>>13500777
Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. Since the government can declare war, have its soldiers kill civilians and combatants, and not be considered a murderous entity (as they themselves are in control of the law and what constitutes murder), the same applies to God. He is the law and He is justice. We have all forfeit our lives through sin. Being redeemed through Christ is a mercy, and so is being allowed to live.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13501637]

>>13500523
Fpbp

>>13500993
>No, it's the religion that caters most to your pride.
The Hebrew god by itself made sense, as did the Greek’s. We ought to fear the wrathful god. Bow before its whims as interpreted by his priests. Sometimes good happens, sometimes bad. Then Jesus comes along. He’s a nice guy. A carpenter who wanted to be a rabbi, but the elites rejected him. Well people liked him so much they built a cult around him. A death cult of love! God is great and loving (conditionally) but this doesn’t make sense in the real world. The original architects of Christianity really wanted to fuse the OT with the NT and managed by making the demiurge to blame for the evil of the world. All was well till the pea brains found out and started writing bs about heresy. And now we have a three headed god masquerading as one god and a million offshoot churches
It makes more sense to the world we find ourselves in. If you were to take a faith, babyhead-Christianity is the dumbest

[Anonymous No.13501715]

>>13500549
Nigga have you read the Bible? God commits mass murder just for shits and giggles

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13501898]

>>13501566
>them the how and the responsibilities that come from it
Like the rest of the Bible?

[Anonymous No.13502182]

>>13501637
Please post your tiddies butterfly

[Anonymous No.13502186]

>>13500549
mmm where are the 6 gorillion sweetie?

[Anonymous No.13502191]

>>13500549
Not a single non-sinner in the lot. Besides this life isn't the main concern. Checkmate atheists

[Anonymous No.13502209]

>>13500513
Yeah this is a major brainlet take, the book of Job answers this pretty clearly. If you have humanitarian-materialist prejudices you will just never be able to understand it I guess

[Anonymous No.13502287]

>>13500525
Good cannot exist without evil because they exist on a continuous scale. Should there be a lower limit on how evil things can be? If God prevents what is considered absolute evil, the lower limit of the scale moves up, and now that point is absolute evil. It seems that God would have to keep doing this infinitely to truly eliminate evil, eventually reaching a point where the greatest good is seen as the absolute evil. Good and evil depend upon each other. The existence of good implies evil, and the existence of evil implies good.

[Anonymous No.13502292]

>>13501637
>we should worship neopagan gnosticism
>not Christianity that I understand with insectoid brain to be neopagan gnosticism
How retarded can you get?

[Anonymous No.13502294]

>>13500513
Everyone always complains about all the evil God allows, but they never consider that he also created everything good

[Anonymous No.13502297]

>>13502287
Evil exists in the shadow of good. Evil is beneath good.
What you're preaching as good is some benign form of pussified hedonism where you have no need for work to have prosperity.
Fucking dualist teenagers. Make me sick.

[Anonymous No.13502313]

>>13502297
How is that what I'm saying? Of course evil is worse than good, good precedes evil. I didn't mean a scale going from negative infinity, evil, to infinity, good, it's more of a scale going from 0, absolute evil, the complete absence of good, to infinity, the absolute good, God.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13502317]

>>13502292
>neopagan
Hahah. That’s what you’re doing now. The idea to weld to two testaments together doesn’t work in its unfinished form. Only in its original form. There’s no Zeus, Poseidon and Hades. Just because it was a mysteries cult doesn’t make it “pagan”

>retarded
Enjoy your senseless death cult of misery and confusion. Hey, fo stair into the sun.

[Anonymous No.13502332]

God is not all loving. Only the most braindead of people (aka abrahamists) believe this to be the case. God values strength and greatness, not meeknes and blind faith.

[Anonymous No.13502343]

>>13500549
>muh lives muh deaths
Behold the ultimate idol of the post-Holohoax secular religion: mere quantity of lives.

[Anonymous No.13502348]

>>13502332
>strength and greatness
i.e. faith despite the world
What you call blind faith is either not faith at all but ostentatiousness and cowardice, or belies a far greater strength that is invisible to the outside spectator, but crystal clear to God.

[Anonymous No.13502441]

>>13501089
>evil cannot be removed, nor is it well that it should be removed
Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.13502488]

>>13501637
>>13502317
You're not butterfly..

[Anonymous No.13502687]

>>13500513

>God isn't real because all loving God wouldn't let bad things happen

Are atheists literally too overfed and stupid to realize that claiming god to be malevolent is not the same thing as him not existing?

[Anonymous No.13502936]

>>13502687
>le smug anime girl face
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.13502989]

>>13500513
God is/was an alien. Came in, saw some primitives, decided to help them out, stuck around, gave some advice, departed. Humans, in our imperfection, fucked everything up, atleast not as badly, but nonetheless fucked up. God had to do the whole artificial insemination Messiah thing to try and fix things. Again, did not work out as planned because we are imperfect.
>God
>Greek gods
>Persian//Zoroastrian gods
>Aztec gods
>Nordic gods
Aliens, all of them.

[Anonymous No.13503000]

God is life. Her consciousness was split into many, in the form of all living creatures.

We are God experiencing the universe.

[Anonymous No.13503037]

Belief in an evil god is perfectly rational

worshipping that god is not

[Anonymous No.13503045]

>>13502332
The talmud was built on this understanding, it's jewish reform that neutered the belief and turned them away from this understanding. The god of the old testament is very clearly a fire god, and all fire gods respect the will.

[Anonymous No.13503066]

I mean when you think about it but just normally in a normal way not unnecessarily hard it really seems pretty far fetched
That there's some thing out there somewhere who knows where just controlling everything that ever happens
It's actually so much easier to believe that a civilization of hyper advanced aliens is controlling things but for some reason the idea of god is just more palatable to people

[Anonymous No.13503083]

>problem of evil
Plantinga already buried this "problem." Move on.

[Anonymous No.13503169]

>>13501898
So why didn't he DO any of that instead of focusing on being a magic dude who's example is straight up impossible to follow?
Why was that left to the rest of the church and why let the church fuck around with the bible, rewrite and edit it?

[Anonymous No.13503333]

>>13501210
>n-noo w-whyy it d-doesnt have to exist
And? Should god give a fuck about what some smelly 20 year old dicklet redditor thinks?

[Anonymous No.13503355]

>>13500513
You understand neither love nor god.

[Anonymous No.13503371]

>>13502441
You are such a fucking brainlet it hurts.

[Anonymous No.13503394]

*blocks your path, refutes you and leaves you in tears*

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13504328]

>>13503169
He did
To keep the fake books away

[Anonymous No.13504468]

>God prioritizes human well being
>God knows everything
>God can do anything
>God lets this shit >>13500549 happen
I don't see how these can be reconciled. One has to go.

[Anonymous No.13504751]

>>13500513
My experience with theism, is that you every individual creates their own doctrine - the theology exists nowhere but our minds, but unfortunately our minds are all that exist (in my view), such that one can very easily believe in a doctrine they made themselves, which has no correspondence to reality in any sense. Mere linguistic symbols and literary characters can become the centerpiece of one's entire worldview, simply because the person does not realize they are worshipping at the alter of their own mind. Anyway, back when I was a theist, I subconsciously loved the concept of God, feeling it improved my life in some way, and hoped for it to be real. This then led me to creating my own mental doctrine, involving an incoherent and cringeworthy syncretism of various religions, like Hinduism and Christianity, using the concepts of "the Father", "the Holy Spirit", "the Son", "the One", "avatars", and more, to craft a personal conception of reality which I desired to be true based on it satisfying something in me in some manner. I wrote extensive paragraphs on /x/ describing my conception of reality, which I then considered to be the truth. Observing the Christians on here will show you exactly the same behavior: individuals, each presenting their own personal interpretations of a stock of conceptual archetypes, all while believing their perception corresponds to that of the believers beside them, or of the institution as a whole.

Religion functions the way any other dimension of culture does - it frames a set of elements to a subject, in such a way as to purportedly explain the reality around them. The mind is desperate to understand the world, and in encountering anything in the world, seeks to integrate it within it's worldview. "God" is merely a conceptual symbol, which various cultures use in different manners, but in all cases the mind observing them will determine what the "meaning" of it is, the same way it does the meaning of any other word in our language. In other words, it's impossible not to form a definition for God while reading The Bible, since the mind absolutely needs to make sense of the text before itself, and cannot allow the symbol to simply remain a symbol, able to shapeshift into many meanings - it turns it into a construct, which has the feeling of reality to itself, after which point it's capable of believing in it as being real. It's solely within the mind, however, yet nothing else is necessary for the sake of a person's worldview - because all worldviews are by nature mental. (1/2)

[Anonymous No.13504809]

>>13500928
>cannot be fully human and fully God at the same time
Yep it's impossible to be "fully" God if you are to any degree human. God is Eternal. Humans are born and they die.

[Anonymous No.13504812]

>>13500513
I have since stepped away from such an approach, and spend my time in the most austere, philosophical reflections, divorced of as many specific, cultural elements as possible (i.e Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, the Father, avatars, etc). I instead reflect on simple, universal realities like consciousness, concepts, time, essences (like Good, Beauty, Justice, etc). Doing this has brought me much farther on my spiritual path than any arbitrary absorption of a historicultural presentation of elements. I've introspected, and realized many of the general trappings which spiritual individuals tend to fall for. The need for the highest Truth, for example, without being able to settle for anything less, is the reason that no religion ever displays uncertainty as to an aspect of reality, everything is presented straightforwardly and declaratively. This is not born of external knowledge, but internal weakness, whereby ignorance is something no seeker can admit themselves to possess, and thereby must create falsehoods in place of acknowledging. Our minds are weak creatures, which often prefer the feeling of Truth to the reality of it, and thereby more easily accept a falsehood masquerading as truth (and which could be realized for such if a person evaluated the concept honestly) instead of the complete absence of it altogether. Hence why every spiritual person already feels like they "understand it all", while really knowing very little. The doctrine, as mentioned before, is in their minds - they reduce the whole of reality into a crude tiny picture which their little minds can adopt, and thereafter walk around feeling the whole of reality is comprehended - when it's really only been discarded, for the sake of the person's ego.

These posts are a bit obtuse in phrasing, I know. It's hard to explain what I'm trying to. Basically I used to be theistic and religious before, but after a period of introspection came to understand the mechanisms by which the mind functions, including those which religious and spiritual doctrines are made successful by. I don't have space enough to elaborate better, but I do feel better for myself for recognizing what I consider to be "the pitfalls of those pursuing knowledge", be it spiritual knowledge or any other variety, and actually feel I've gained wisdom by greater acknowledgement of my ignorance. I still have a spiritual worldview however, which involves an eternal consciousness, a system of reincarnation, a plane known as Heaven which our pre-birth consciousnesses dwelt in, the existence of higher dimensions with higher lifeforms, and other things, but I at least believe in these only after I reflected on certain information before me, and I'm also not so desperate to understand reality that I make an idol of it within my head, which subsequently becomes realer than the original, and something which nobody else can pull me away from to acknowledge the actual world I live under. (2/2)

[Anonymous No.13504836]

>>13501089
Okay but that's heretical pagan philosophy, and what Jews/Christians/Muslims have done is piggyback off this line of reasoning to claim the truth in its wisdom as proof of their own god's veracity.

[Anonymous No.13504852]

>>13501468
So God creates evil? And Free Will is practically thrown out the window too, since He has personally given individuals their evil nature, which is extremely difficult for them not to follow?

[Anonymous No.13504887]

>>13500549

"Nature" is likewise conscious, to a lesser degree, and affected by Man.

[Anonymous No.13504891]

>>13500513
Theists are not usually self-aware enough to realize their doctrines exist only within their minds, or basic realities such as the fact that, shockingly, ancient Israelites did not actually meet the Creator of the Universe (which had a Hebrew name, coincidentally) just a few thousand years ago, and record of the interactions in their cultural scriptures. Don't waste time with them - you will never awaken such a person, only introspection on their part can do so. Your antagonism towards their doctrine is actually only bolstering their belief in it, rather than convincing them of flaws within their worldview. It's barely their fault - the mind is one heck of a creature, and can find coherence in virtually anything which has been presented to it enough. I myself am only just barely realizing the mechanisms by which this process of learning works, but doing so has helped me grasp the sensibility behind our beliefs.

[Anonymous No.13504912]

>>13502488
no, that one is the with the tripcode beginning with a C isn't (i believe)

[Anonymous No.13504914]

>>13500513
Everything God made, including man, is very good, because God is good. Nothing He made is therefore evil in itself. So then, human nature is good in itself. But sin is a free choice of man's will, and it is contrary both to God's nature and human nature.

[Anonymous No.13504938]

>>13500718
Utterly wonderful response.

[Anonymous No.13504952]

>>13500993
No, Christianity is the most prideful and least compassionate religion, arguing not only to possess Truth exclusively, not only having scriptures calling people with other beliefs "fools", but even condemning them to eternal damnation. Please don't ever pretend your faith is a humble one - it is not, and neither is anyone who follows these aspects of it.

[Anonymous No.13504956]

>>13504836
just fuck off

[Anonymous No.13504968]

>>13501210
>dosent have to exist

This is the proclivity of the Demiurge, not the Good of God. Having to exist or not is an absurd premise, and necessity-based Ontogeny is a nightmare. Your face doesn't HAVE to exist either, God forbid you ever receive the tally you think you want.

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>>13500549
>Death is intrinsically and irredeemably bad.

Huh?

[Anonymous No.13505026]

>>13500727
Many actual theists would argue that God has to be acting right now otherwise reality could not function. How can a "law" exist without a force that sustains it.

[Anonymous No.13505060]

>>13500575
When random patterns of giving and taking can be better explained by a complete absence of sentient driving forces or a God than with one, it doesn't seem like faith means much besides willful ignorance of the reality you live in.

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>>13505060
Randomness does not explain anything tho it's exactly the opposite, complete black of understanding.

[Anonymous No.13505120]

>>13502441
read the second period idiot

[Anonymous No.13505131]

>>13505097
Wrong. Knowing something's random explains a fuckton about the kind of results you expect.

There's a good reason churches don't send their priests to casinos, and there's a reason that casinos don't ban priests.

[Anonymous No.13505136]

>>13501062
>why would trying to be human do anything to absolve anyone of sin?
Because you're God and you've decided so, duh

[Anonymous No.13505155]

>>13505131
Casinos are only random on the small scale on the large scale they are completely predictable and that is why they make money.

[Anonymous No.13505183]

>>13500628
neckbeard meme funny haha i use it so i can get out of arguing my position

[Anonymous No.13505201]

>>13504836
Well that's what Abrahamic religions are all about, they came from the desert, and desert consumes everything in it's path.

[Anonymous No.13505245]

>>13500673
>when athiests argue against christianity and ignore all other concepts

[Anonymous No.13505256]

>>13500513
Despite your shitty attempt at mockery, Christians have been completely unable to give a sound response to the evidential argument from evil. All attempted solutions, theodicies, skeptical theism, and so on, have failed spectacularly. Christianity is dead in the intellectual world for a reason, and no amount of cope will change that.

[Anonymous No.13505266]

>>13500549
God kills more people than the Devil in the scriptures, often for petty and egotistical reasons. Why Christards still talk about what a merciful, all-loving God they have is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.13505267]

>>13505256
They invented the Devil to deal with it and turned from monotheism to a crude dualism.

[The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM No.13505468]

>>13504809
But He came back

[Anonymous No.13505638]

>>13505267
Essentially a hobo's Gnosticism, desu.

[Anonymous No.13505675]

>>13505266
Even worse is when they haven't the self-awareness to at least abandon their adherence to the Old Testament mythological tales when regarding the God they believe in and promote the concept of - instead of being proponents for a general theism, arguing for an abstract, singular entity who fashioned creation and did so out of personal benevolence, and which people who want to feel belonging can feel made by - they are solely arguing for YHWH of Semitic culture, a fearful, unpredictable humanoid deity that was initially worshipped as such and only later expanded into a philosophical abstraction which might contend with other metaphysical explanations for reality's nature.