/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13445900]

>skips the greeks
>goes straight to Nietzsche and Foucault

[Anonymous No.13445909]

>>13445900
>wastes time reading philosophy instead of reading summaries of main points made by authors
>doesn't read books that improve his skills for productive tasks that bring real world benefits
This is how spirituality coping is born

[Anonymous No.13445913]

>Start with the greeks meme will soon reach its 10th anniversary

[Anonymous No.13445914]

>>13445900
>mfw dropped nietzsche after half of Zarathustra and decided to not read Foucault after I learned the faggot got aids

[Anonymous No.13445919]

>>13445900
Which books should I get,I don't want to get a 100 plus dollar collection of Plato and a another 100 dollar for Socrates.is there any more Greek philosophers that I should read?

[Anonymous No.13445922]

>2000 years of philosophical writings
>still can barely answer a single question about the world
why should i take any of it seriously at all? fuck the gayreeks i'll just read whatever interests me.

[Anonymous No.13445950]

>>13445922
Socrates is the end all of philosophy. He started the whole "you cant answer anything about the world, no one knows anything for sure" and the rest of philosophy has built upon that with discussing this and that part of life while still keeping socrates' view in mind. Its more about catharsis than finding answers

[Anonymous No.13445958]

>>13445950
this but Hume

[Anonymous No.13445964]

>>13445914
Unironically based

[Anonymous No.13445966]

>>13445919
Hackett's complete Plato costs like 50-60 dollars.

[Anonymous No.13445969]

>>13445919
you can get a 0$ digital copy of any book

[Anonymous No.13445986]

>>13445950
You're right except that Socrates was (if Plato is to be trusted) a retard who thought his elenchus could actually objectively irrefutably prove facts. So if a Socratic discussion actually resulted in a strong conclusion everyone had to accept it as fact.

[Anonymous No.13445988]

>>13445950
Socrates BTFOd all philosophers preemptively and it's been a massive COPE ever since.
Absolutely B-A-S-E-D.

[Anonymous No.13446002]

>>13445988
I get a stomach ache whenever I read posts like this

[Anonymous No.13446004]

>>13445986
It is the one undisputable idea in the world, that no one knows anything for sure.

[Anonymous No.13446010]

>>13446002
Take a sip you boomer fuck.

[Anonymous No.13446019]

>>13445909
Tai Lopez is a bullshit artist and you've fucked up taking his advice. Sorry bro. Brorry.

[Anonymous No.13446033]

>>13445922
"Start with the greeks" entails
>Homer's Iliad and Odyssey
>Aristophanes, Sophocles and Euripides and their plays
>Plato's dialogues
They are all entertaining and thought provoking works of fiction. Aristotle is for fags though yes

[Anonymous No.13446037]

>>13445909
>doesn't read books that improve his skills for productive tasks that bring real world benefits

This is /lit/. People who seek self improvement and practical knowledge steer clear of this soulless blackhole

[Anonymous No.13446078]

>>13445909
The point of productive tasks is to make time for things you enjoy, such as reading philosophy. Your whole post reeks of insecurity and failure.

[Anonymous No.13446103]

Is it weird if I actually enjoy the Greeks ( and the Romans as well to a degree ) more than I do most post-enlightenment writers?

[Anonymous No.13446111]

I started with the existentialists in highschool, Camus, Sartre, dipped my toes in Nietzsche, backpeddalled to Plato, studied the Greeks more broadly in University, started reading Baudrillard/Debord/Barthes on my own time, studied Schopenhauer and a little Hegel, finally got to Nietzsche who impacted me more than any other philosopher and have since been reading back through philosophers which I now see in a different light as well as reading the so called "New Nietzscheans" like Foucault and Deleuze.

[Anonymous No.13446163]

>>13446103
Same here.

And generally I don't know why would anyone read philosophy without reading the Greeks, or reading them as just interfaces to understand later stuff. They are the most interesting.

[Anonymous No.13446181]

>>13446103
>Is it weird that i enjoy works of art whose quality have endured three milenia

[Anonymous No.13446240]

>>13445900
>reading chronologically rather than rhizomatically

That's gonna be a yikes from me, dawg.

[Anonymous No.13446263]

>>13445986
You haven't really got the point, have you?

[Anonymous No.13446308]

>he didnt start with the cave paintings

[Anonymous No.13446401]

>>13445900
I skipped to bad hair day man. Fixing that with the greeks.

[Anonymous No.13446448]

>>13445913
I am pretty sure every significant philosopher since the renaissance began with the greeks

[Anonymous No.13446588]

>>13446004
We most certainly do know things for sure. Absolute truths exist.

[Anonymous No.13446623]

>>13446588
Name one.

[Anonymous No.13446713]

>>13446623
Not that guy but humans do need food to survive

[Anonymous No.13446995]

>starts with Deleuze

[Anonymous No.13447004]

>>13445909
>Imagine thinking that reading philosophy it's waste of time

Go read Plato and Aristotle, read'em entirely,with attention and if possible commentated by some researcher, then try to find your own truth in these writing. You will see it become 10 times more worth than "How to make money xdd pls buy my book i don't want to work"

[Anonymous No.13447106]

>>13446713
how do you know that humans havent just died by coincidence every time when they didnt eat food? can you be sure it is the food keeping us alive?

[Anonymous No.13447421]

>>13446713
What if we arent prone to die so easily but the government puts poison in the air to make us crave food as a means to control animals? Or that a God did it?

[Anonymous No.13447453]

>>13445909
Why would I read on how to do a productive task? It's faster to just watch a video and just do it. Reading is literally the worst way to acquire practical skills.

[Anonymous No.13447474]

>>13447106
This is basic biology, fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.13447477]

>>13447474
>fuck off
LOL triggered cause you know you cant prove it bitch

[Anonymous No.13447481]

>>13446623
If there are no absolute truths then it's an absolute truth that no absolute truths exist.

[Anonymous No.13447483]

I hate reading Greeks source material because they talk like fags and their shit's retarded

[Anonymous No.13447486]

>>13445909
And this, my friends, is a cretin who hates reading. How sad

[Anonymous No.13447493]

>>13447477
>>fuck off
>LOL triggered cause you know you cant prove it bitch

[Anonymous No.13447505]

>>13447481
The thing is, we cant even be sure if thats true. Its a paradox

[Anonymous No.13447517]

>>13447505
If we don't know whether an absolute truth can exist, isn't it an absolute truth that we don't know that absolute truths exist?

[Anonymous No.13447523]

>>13447493
Meme face response, you have nothing to come back with and you just lost the argument. Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.13447527]

>>13447523
Are you still trying to cope with the fact that you failed high school biology?

[Anonymous No.13447533]

>>13447517
We dont know that we dont know. If we begin to be skeptical about something we'ce always taken for granted and we apply the "you cant know anything for sure", you still cant rely on that because the thing you are skeptical about could be true

[Anonymous No.13447540]

>>13447533
>We dont know that we dont know
Ummmm sweetie if we know that don't know that we don't know that's am absolute truth.

[Anonymous No.13447544]

>>13447527
Strawman, meme face, double whammy non-response trying to save face for losing so hard. Get fucked. I got good grades in biology

[Anonymous No.13447550]

>>13447544
Is it an absolute truth that you got good grades in biology?

[Anonymous No.13447552]

>>13447540
But how do we know that we dont know? If we are skeptical about the absolute truth, it all ends in an autistic paradox. Also why condescend with "sweetie" even

[Anonymous No.13447557]

>>13447550
My grade paper says so, and the mark is all employers/universities care about.

[Anonymous No.13447562]

>>13447106
>how do you know that humans havent just died by coincidence every time when they didnt eat food? can you be sure it is the food keeping us alive?
so this is how you reason yourself into holocaust denial huh

[Anonymous No.13447564]

>>13445900
Neey-chuh

[Anonymous No.13447566]

>>13445919
Skip those losers. Read Heraclitus and Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.13447568]

>>13447562
No, its just an example of how you can doubt everything, doesnt mean he actually does.

[Anonymous No.13447571]

>>13447552
>But how do we know that we dont know?
You just said that we don't know. And again, if we know that we neither know or don't know doesn't that make it an absolute truth?

[Anonymous No.13447594]

>>13447571
Yeah. Its weird, it creates like a double argument. We dont know is counterargued by we dont know. Allright fair enough, solved, philosophy brought to its natural conclusion, you have a good one

[Anonymous No.13447609]

I did this but only because I don't understand what the greeks are talking about at all and its written weirdly. I was watching a Cambridge (I think) professor talking about neetzsche and he mentioned that Plato and all the old philosophers would dictate their writings to slaves and that the original papers had no will of the self written in and that it was later added in as people made translations of those papyrus pages ?