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[Anonymous No.13435771]

What does it mean, to be heroic, today?

[Anonymous No.13435778]

>>13435771
To push for change to include all humans as equal -- erase systemic, worldwide oppression and the systems in place that enable it (capitalism).

[Anonymous No.13435781]

To courageously dedicate your life to the furtherment of libertarian socialism.

[Anonymous No.13435789]

>>13435778
>>13435781

Isn't that too specific? I'm looking for general "axioms" here.

[Anonymous No.13435796]

>>13435771
Call people niggers and sneedpost on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.13435800]

>>13435771
if we define 'freedom' as the lack of aversive stimuli, then heroism could be that which promotes it

[Anonymous No.13435802]

>>13435789
For me, being a hero is doing the right thing. Like tying a shoelace or showboating at the right times, my friend how are you? Okay, I’m doing alright. Sweet blessings

[Anonymous No.13435807]

>>13435800

I like where this is going. You mean herodom is beyond emotion and pleasure? Is a hero someone who actively cultivates suffering?


>>13435802

Can you prove the existence of virtue, though?

[Anonymous No.13435828]

>>13435807
on a moonless eve Lazarus appeared unto me and spake, “my love for you is gay like the rain, my heaven buds in this final hour.” how could i resist but to set my neck upon the stone?

[Anonymous No.13435833]

>>13435807
Promoting freedom may be the most obvious trait of heroism, something constant across the various cultural definitions of the word. In comparison, if in the past witches and demons were recognized as aversive stimuli, today being heroic might be closer to science and facts than to fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13435837]

>>13435833

What are these stimuli? I know I asked for axioms, but now I am interested to see examples, since we have established the former. Would you say pleasure itself is the modern "evil", which we must liberate ourselves from, through suffering?

[Anonymous No.13435850]

>>13435789
To push for a world where the life of every human is able to be the best it possibly can be?

[Anonymous No.13435855]

>>13435850

Why and how?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13435888]

>>13435789
>>13435771
It is to SAVE another or many others from death or capture or something.
To slay the beast of capitalism is the predominant heroes quest of the age. Nothing wrong with getting specific

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13435889]

>>13435855

[Anonymous No.13435894]

>>13435888

Should herodom not be redefined, to suit a better approach?

The hero should work within the matrix of plausibility and within the matrix of his own world-view, which is everywhere confused and below the omniscient; he does not rescue, but kills; instead of running from the B E A S T, he is it.

[Anonymous No.13435901]

>>13435837
There are instances where pleasure can lead to pain. For example in self-destructive behaviors such as overeating or smoking. Both involve pleasure and anxiety relief to some degree but, like so many other behaviors, too much can do harm.

Modern health concepts involve the reduction of generalized suffering, not favoring some to the detriment of others. It was once heroic to war and kill people - today we know of healthier means to resolve conflict.

One thing is for certain, there is no way to think the meaning of 'heroism' outside a context, a culture.

[Anonymous No.13435911]

>>13435901

But why should the hero avoid suffering?

[Anonymous No.13435912]

>>13435911
Because the hero must Avoid context

[Anonymous No.13435916]

>>13435912
no heroes do not avoid context. they avoid reason.

[Anonymous No.13435917]

>>13435778
lol commie

[Anonymous No.13435920]

>>13435912

I think the only "evil" today is the propulsion to be happy, & I think the hero is someone who raises himself above the plebeian, popular, "spirituality" of his day, and actively cultivates suffering in respect of this.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13435935]

>>13435894
Are you proposing the idea that the beast is perhaps a kindly creature?
It’s certainly plot for a role reversal fairytale, but the heroes opponent is guilt ridden.
In Star Wars the beast was his own father, a fallen hero, just a boy at one point, but grown up to be “evil”, guilty

>>13435917
Do you have anything to add?

[Anonymous No.13435939]

Every hero that ever lived was a villain to someone else. The only common thread between all heroes was greatness and celebration either posthumous or contemporary.

Be the best at whatever you're doing, defeat whatever obstacles or enemies stand before you and either your fellows or history will declare you a hero.

[Anonymous No.13435943]

>>13435935
maybe the beast is just lonely

[Anonymous No.13435944]

>>13435855
>Why?
Much of the way the world works currently doesn't adhere to the fundamental principles of common morality.
>How?
Already explained in >>13435778

>>13435917
Not an argument.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13435946]

>>13435920
I think you misunderstand the various kinds of happiness there is.
It’s one thing to endure suffering, but it’s quite another to “cultivate” it.

[Anonymous No.13435950]

>>13435935

The Beast is not kind, but he is heroic.


>>13435944

Can you prove that morality exists?


>>13435946

What is your point?

[Anonymous No.13435963]

>>13435950
>Can you prove that morality exists?
If the average person does something that is morally wrong, they will feel bad about it.
And please stop double spacing.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13435966]

>>13435943
Vader was quite lonely. Capitalism is a mindless system. A machine that feeds off of the worst in people. No it’s not sentient, its worker bees are

>>13435950
1. Who or what are you talking about?
2. Suffering is putting your hand in the fire. Why haven’t you given yourself third degree burns yet, anon? You want suffering so bad

Ah well. I sleep now

[Anonymous No.13435970]

>>13435963
How is suffering negative, though?

[Anonymous No.13435978]

Standing up for the right thing despite being hated for it by evil people.

[Anonymous No.13435992]

>>13435778
Nobody does that. Not one person does that. Ppl harass and spy on me and use every technology to try and kill me and nobody cares, your hypothesis is retarded and exactly what political ppl think

>>13435978
Everyone is evil including you otherwise you would tell me what the hell is going on, I'm not a TV show you can turn I'm a human being systematically oppressed and harrassed. This is evil and horrid

[Anonymous No.13436113]

Typically used to describe someone who puts themselves at risk for a noble cause.
It's not as prevalent as it once was since it usually arises in war, but people like firefighters are still generally regarded as heroic.

[Anonymous No.13436120]

>>13435970
Stop fucking babies for pleasure then u lying son of a bitch

>>13436113
Is baby fucking and mind reading and then harassing someone to kill themselves heroic? You're doing it

[Anonymous No.13436131]

>>13435771
almost nothing-The Modern world is just pale, meaningless shadow we insert into and no heroism exists in a world of slavery where people accept slavery and aren't ware of slavery.

[Anonymous No.13436138]

>>13436131
Then save me u evil fuck, this is absolutely wrong, I'm a random person who has done nothing wrong this is extremely evil you pedo fuck

[Anonymous No.13436230]

>>13435992
/x/ is thataway

[Anonymous No.13436234]

>>13436230
You're a disgusting pedophile who is giving up ur freedom for sexual perversion

[Anonymous No.13436289]

>>13435771
To be a white nationalist, despite the hatred that you get from the retards.

[Anonymous No.13436293]

>>13436289
That's a bit too specific.

[Anonymous No.13436297]

>>13436289
You're into interracial sex slavery you bitch faggot all wn's are and nobody respects you and that makes it hotter

[Anonymous No.13436350]

>>13435778
LOL

[Anonymous No.13436354]

>>13435889
Butt Hurt Fly lol

[Anonymous No.13436355]

>>13436293
The hero protects his people against the enemy, this is very basic and universal.

[Anonymous No.13436365]

>>13435970
It puts the recipient through a negative experience?
You don't come off as extra intellectual by questioning basic axioms.

[Anonymous No.13436368]

>>13436365
>>13436355
>>13436354
>>13436350
>>13436293
>>13436289
>>13436230
>>13436131
>>13436113
>>13435978
>>13435970
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>>13435963
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>>13435946
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>>13435911
>>13435901
>>13435894
>>13435889
>>13435888
>>13435855
>>13435850
>>13435837
>>13435833
>>13435828
>>13435807
>>13435802
>>13435800
>>13435796
>>13435789
>>13435781
>>13435778
>>13435771
You are all into interracial sex slavery and having your minds read by corporations and the government, your thoughts will be catalogued against you

[Anonymous No.13436385]

>>13435771
You can't be heroic.

Especially not by being a giant cuck like >>13435778.

[Anonymous No.13436389]

>>13436368
>>13436385
Where is the argument?

[Anonymous No.13436397]

>>13436389
In my post.
Pushing for corporations to better enslave the global population isn't heroic.
"No borders, no nations, fuck living wages"

[Anonymous No.13436827]

>>13436397
>You are all into interracial sex slavery
That part made me assume you were shitposting without a real argument. Still does, honestly.
>Pushing for corporations to better enslave the global population isn't heroic.
How the hell does that logic work? Under socialism, and with automation in place to replace wage slavery, corporations will not need to enslave the population as they do now in order to make money, so they'll stop doing it.
>Fuck living wages
This can be solved with making housing and food free, or better yet by abolishing money altogether. Then there is no need for living wages.
And where did I say or imply that living wages were bad in the first place?

[Anonymous No.13436877]

>>13435771
Heroism cant exist in a post-struggle world. Today at least in the west most struggle is contrived artificially from above in order to satisfy the drive towards action while not allowing for serious structural change. Modern man is a domesticated farm animal, and the only path towards the genuine living necessary for heroism is a painful and violent revolt against the modern world. A complete rejection of modern modes of living.

[Anonymous No.13436883]

>>13436827
>AI will save us!
Jesus Christ you are as naive as capitalists.

[Anonymous No.13436890]

>>13436883
They don't even need to be AI, but just programmed to create a certain type of product.

[Anonymous No.13436931]

To get past 2 weeks of nofap

Our ancestors were never bombarded as the modern male is today with such profuse and variegated, readily available and free pornography and forms of sensual stimulation. To say we are living in Weimar is frankly an insult to the Weimar Republic, which displayed merely the nascent forms of the fully matured methods of dopamine milking sexuality in modern Western "civilizaiton". How can a man not be heroic when to NOT view pornography and to NOT sodomize the devil so to speak, or to parley with his faux cherubic succubi, is to be viewed by society as a freakish aberration, or a hint at some hidden perversion, though what possible perversion one could "hide" amidst this general piss-pool depravity it belabours the mind to conceive.
Men who don't mindlessly masturbate when riding the road riddled with the potholes of boredom, called life, should be held in reverential awe, but instead are viewed as anti social lepers by their zombie like contemporaries.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13437306]

>>13435978
Stop abortion by making it unnecessary. Women and girls do not get abortions for fun or because they’re evil.

>>13435992
I do that. I don’t want people to harass and spy on you, but I am unable to help you directly, so I will do my part to break this rotting system that causes these problems of yours.
>>13436234
You off your meds?
>>13436289
You’re an evil fool. You deny your fellow man his humanity and don’t give a rats ass about the rest of nature either. Its all just a commodity to you, and if you can’t slaughter it, you’ll enslave it. Because the goals of the white nationalist isn’t to just kick darker people out of their borders, it’s to build an empire and dominate. There’s not an ounce of hero in a nationalist

[Anonymous No.13438085]

>>13435778
you would have an easier time trying to lasso the moon

[Anonymous No.13438500]

>>13437306
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0FPdTRzZWFk

[Anonymous No.13438543]

>>13435771
fight for a Marxist-Leninist world

[Anonymous No.13438573]

>>13437306
Evil and liarpilled

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13438582]

>>13438573
How do you mean?

>>13438500
What’s it say?

>>13438543
Bad cult.

[Anonymous No.13438721]

>>13438500
BASED italian american vocarooanon

[Anonymous No.13438756]

>>13437306
>people who murder unborn children for being inconvenient aren't evil
I know women who have had abortions and none of them were remotely justified and I no longer associate with them because murdering unborn children was just the narrow end of the wedge. Anyone who materially or morally supports abortion is committing a terrible sin. That includes you. Repent.

[Anonymous No.13438928]

>>13435778
>all humans as equal
This is the wrong answer. also a real faggot

[Anonymous No.13439028]

So many insects in here. There is nothing heroic about nonsense like "equality" or all the other garbage humanism spouted here.
First, obviously not everybody is equal. Some are born stronger, smarter or prettier than others. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
Secondly, suffering & evil in man is always going to be a part of our lives. And in many ways, it's better that way. We never would have created any great work of art or achieved the scientific & engineering achievements we did without suffering. Contentment breeds apathy.
Thirdly, any kind of utopian project that attempts to eradicate all suffering will end up being more tyrannical & genocidal than anything that came before. When the communists had to learn that human nature is not the way they'd like it to be, their ideology turned very misanthropic in practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BZylziBKI

[Anonymous No.13439081]

By setting an example of how to transcend postmodern muckmuck googop rainbow blob world.

[Anonymous No.13439127]

>>13438500
>pics
is this for real? someone post em

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13439283]

>>13438756
Adopt all the mentally and physically impaired children of your region and raise them yourself.

>>13439127
What does he say?

[Anonymous No.13439340]

>>13439283
>Adopt all the mentally and physically impaired children of your region and raise them yourself.
No thank you. While I do already happen to work professionally with disabled children, I doubt I could personally afford to support the 0.01% of abortions conducted which are conducted for the reasons you mentioned. I think instead if we took the tax dollars that go toward paying for the 99.98% of abortions conducted which are conducted for reasons of personal convenience we could instead afford the medical and care-giving costs to support those mentally and physically impaired children during the course of their lives instead of murdering them.

[Anonymous No.13439378]

>>13438500
Watch it Chrissy
I'm happy to see you're back, don't ever leave us again.

[Anonymous No.13439540]

>>13439283
Did you actually just say that? I am not a beacon of morality, but christ..

[Anonymous No.13439870]

>>13439283
>>13438582
is butterfly hearing impaired?

[Anonymous No.13440152]

>>13435778
You can't just answer correctly. You're meant to say some asinine meme shit.

[Anonymous No.13440168]

>>13435771
Going full John Brown on an ICE facility.

[Anonymous No.13441440]

>>13440152
yeah bro because people like pol pot, jew pedophiles and negroid dope slangers are equal to regular working class white p

[Anonymous No.13441537]

for me it's still applying yourself and achieving some amount of your potential, even though your getting old and you had shit poor luck in life (in other words you have every reason to quit)

[Anonymous No.13441623]

>>13435771
#resist

[Anonymous No.13442774]

>>13435778
When all humans are equal, life will be hell.

[Anonymous No.13442899]

>>13442774
This literally makes zero sense. What is your reasoning for thinking this?

[Anonymous No.13444156]

>>13437306
>Women and girls do not get abortions for fun or because they’re evil.
No they get them because they're irresponsible and can't manage taking a fucking pill every day

[Anonymous No.13444190]

>>13435778

[Anonymous No.13444477]

>>13435771
Standing up to globo homo.