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[Anonymous No.13396271]

>I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.

What did Hitler mean by this?

[Anonymous No.13396280]

>>13396271
>What did Hitler mean by this?

That he understood nothing about Marxism besides a broad affectual populism

[Anonymous No.13396291]

>>13396271
What he meant seems pretty clear, which is that Marxism influenced his worldview.
Fascism in general has drawn a good deal from Marxism, but the role it played in the formation of fascism isn't huge.

[Anonymous No.13396471]

>>13396271
it means fascism=communism=socialism=democrats

meaning democrats are literal nazis

[Anonymous No.13396525]

>>13396271
>National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.
Funny because Marx criticized others for their parliamentary and peaceful ways (parliamentary cretinism).
A good way to recognize a real revolutionary is to see how he deals with radicalization. When you see the writings of some of the Founding Fathers of the US, Marx, Bakunin, Lenin, Mao, Hitler, Trotsky, Ali Jinnah, Fidel etc they always want change done quickly or to set the world on fire, they couldn't care less about democracy, rule of law or another gay shit.

[Anonymous No.13396604]

>>13396271
it means Hitler was a National Bordigist

[Anonymous No.13396608]

>>13396471
Dinesh please go

[Anonymous No.13397274]

>>13396271
he realized that basing your society around economics/money is retarded and it should be centered around the volk or your race.

[Anonymous No.13397278]

>>13396271
GANG GANG

[Anonymous No.13397288]

>>13396271
That Rand was right about both him and Marx, the cretins.

[Anonymous No.13397295]

>>13396471
This but hard-unironically

[Anonymous No.13397583]

>>13397295
liberal democracy is the worst plague since christianity

[Anonymous No.13397592]

>>13396525
>>National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.
>Marxists
>Democratic

[Anonymous No.13397786]

>>13397274
What society is based around is a fact of the world, and not something for a dude with a faggot mustache to decide.

[Anonymous No.13397792]

>>13397592
Marxism is direct democracy taken to the extreme

[Anonymous No.13397806]

>>13397792
No, it is a breakdown of the very individualistic premises of democracy, premises of fundamental separation.
>Political democracy is Christian since in it man, not merely one man but everyman, ranks as sovereign, as the highest being, but it is man in his uncivilized, unsocial form, man in his fortuitous existence, man just as he is, man as he has been corrupted by the whole organization of our society, who has lost himself, been alienated, and handed over to the rule of inhuman conditions and elements – in short, man who is not yet a real species-being. That which is a creation of fantasy, a dream, a postulate of Christianity, i.e., the sovereignty of man – but man as an alien being different from the real man – becomes, in democracy, tangible reality, present existence, and secular principle.

[Anonymous No.13399027]

>>13397786
what is that fact

[Anonymous No.13399052]

>>13399027
That how people relate to themselves and to one another is determined by how the work of society is divided among its members.

[Anonymous No.13399074]

>>13399052
so you're advocating for the Economic State and therefore cool with millions of illegals flooding our countries for cheap labor.

[Anonymous No.13399100]

>>13399074
I'm advocating for the abolition countries, including the "our countries" you have in mind.

[Anonymous No.13399109]

>>13399100
so worldwide open borders?

[Anonymous No.13399112]

>>13399100
>eveyone just floods the west but uhhhhhh please dont call it that

[Anonymous No.13399128]

>>13399100
ok John Lennon. I've never heard a more idiotic take in my life. I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen. Room temperature IQ niggers will come en masse to every single town or city in the west and you would get wiped out within 10 years.

[Anonymous No.13399145]

>>13399109
sure

>>13399112
nobody will "flood the west" once they can do non-exploitative work and feed themselves anywhere in the world and their houses are not being bombarded

>>13399128
john lennon is a retard. and so are you, but I wouldn't want to interfere with your erotic fantasy so we can pretend that your post is absolutely correct.

[Anonymous No.13399203]

>>13399145
no you're clearly the retard who hasn't thought this through. no one from the west will go to the shithole countries. your fantasy stems from an inner cowardice and/or inferiority complex.

you're probably an ayn rand jew who demands open borders for all goyim countries but an ethnostate for israel.

[Anonymous No.13399235]

>>13397583
>Christianity is a plague
Water is dry and the sun is cold.

[Anonymous No.13399282]

>>13399203
>no one from the west will go to the shithole countries.
countries as in geographical regions, since there won't be geographical states
and of course they will, it will be like a never-ending vacation

>your fantasy stems from an inner cowardice and/or inferiority complex.
that's so unrelated to anything I've said that even a 5 year old would recognize it as a projection

[Anonymous No.13399339]

>>13399282
Why not just use the same names? Thats just semantics. Why would I want to actually do anything when I can just go to beaches and nice places all the time?

[Anonymous No.13399367]

>>13399145
So you're literally saying that the reason third world countries are impovershed amd third worlder are moving to the west is because of le ebil colonialist western boogeyman - the source of all global inequality and injustice? Of course colonialism and US imperialism contribute, but that alone isn't explanatorily sufficient to account for the majority of immigration, poverty, and inequality. Certainly the English didn't move to the US because England was being colonized by Africans, so its quite clear that replacement-scale immigration can occur completely unprovoked by outside forces (in which case it become unreasonable to categorically attribute African immigration to le ebil white colonists that don't even exist anymore).

>also inb4 some appeal to an abstract and nebulous network of post-colonial power relations still pervades the world and oppresses black people even more than they were a hundred years ago

The slavs and chinks have endured far worse than the Africans or Arabs and yet they seem to be doing okay. Moreover, western Europeans literally try to "oppress" (even this is going a little far) China and Russia, whereas nothing similar can bey said for Somalia or Saudi Arabia. If anything, NATO is a net econonic and military benefactor for Africa and much of the Muslin world since we give them guns, food, money, and training whereas werre actively trying to sabotage Russia and China.

[Anonymous No.13399385]

>>13399339
you can't. you have to work if you want to eat.

>>13399367
>le ebil white colonists that don't even exist anymore
lmao

[Anonymous No.13399393]

>>13396271

Both Marxism and National-Socialism define the basic unit of understanding when it comes to society not as the individual but as the class.

For Marx the fundamental classes for understanding are the workers and the owners. The majority of society can be explained by analysis of the tension between these two classes.

For the National Socialist the basic unit is the national spirit. The national spirit is what animates the great thing a society is doing, and it exists in struggle with non-aristocratic forces like the democracy, the jews, etc, who are seen as trying to undermine defining character of the people of a nation in order to make them simply commercial or to level them with people they should not be leveled with.

National socialism operates using more poorly defined categories than Marx because Marx was actually describing reality wheras Hitler was basically a romantic.

[Anonymous No.13399396]

>>13399385
Whos keeping track? There arent states anymore...

[Anonymous No.13399403]

>>13399393
the administrative organ of the world society which happens to deal with the distribution of means of consumption

[Anonymous No.13399436]

>>13399403
>small individual states that currently exist already suck at this and keeping track of its citizens so the giant world "TOTALLY NOT A STATE BRO" will

[Anonymous No.13399439]

>>13396271
That socialism without its democratic and internationalist trappings fits nationalism like a well made glove.

[Anonymous No.13399448]

>>13399385
You didn't answer the actual criticism, brainlet. You said that people wouldn't be immigrating to Europe if it weren't for the fact that Western Capitlaism denies them access to employment and self-determination, but at that same time you implied that you're against European settlement of North America because they were unjustifiably usurping Native American land. How do you square these two things? How is it that Europeans have agency (I know even a freshman level vocab word like 'agency' is probably a little challenging for you, so go search that one up on Wikipedia or the SEP and I'll wait) can be held responsible for "taking" Native American land, but when Mahmoud ibn Maliq Taleb moves to Norway it is only because evil Anglos or Frogs robbed his country of its precious resources?

[Anonymous No.13399490]

>>13399448
>but at that same time you implied that you're against European settlement of North America because they were unjustifiably usurping Native American land
lmao where the fuck did I imply that you retard

[Anonymous No.13399504]

>>13396271
I like Hitler because I like his story of struggle and he looks like a nice guy. I have a narrative around him that's pretty far divorced from reality. I don't care.

[Anonymous No.13399514]

>>13399490
When you responded in a hostile and sarcastoc manner to my post that compare Muslim immigration to Europe to European immigration to North America.

[Anonymous No.13399584]

>>13399514
I don't see the connection, but whatever, now you know that I don't give shit about who's usurping whose land and whether it's justifiable or not.
I'm just stating the simple fact that the causes of mass migration into Europe disappear together with capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13399748]

>>13399393
>Marx was actually describing reality wheras Hitler was basically a romantic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcXTsTHJIr8

[Anonymous No.13400230]

>>13396271
national socialism is just marxism based on biology instead of sociology

[Anonymous No.13400727]

I’ve read Mein Kampf, and from he little he mentions Marxism I gathered that he hated it. I think he thought it as a weapon against Germans, a weapon devised by the Jews to ruin the German nations. I think for him there was a synonym of Marxism= Jewishness. His solution was National Socialism which was the antidote to Bolshevism in his mind, a movement of pure romantic Germaness to combat the scourge of ‘the Jews’.

[Anonymous No.13400766]

>>13400727
Yep.
>The Jewish doctrine of Marxism repudiates the aristocratic principle of Nature and substitutes for it the eternal privilege of force and energy, numerical mass and its dead weight. Thus it denies the individual worth of the human personality, impugns the teaching that nationhood and race have a primary significance, and by doing this it takes away the very foundations of human existence and human civilization. If the Marxist teaching were to be accepted as the foundation of the life of the universe, it would lead to the disappearance of all order that is conceivable to the human mind. And thus the adoption of such a law would provoke chaos in the structure of the greatest organism that we know, with the result that the inhabitants of this earthly planet would finally disappear.

[Anonymous No.13400834]

>>13400766
Where's the lie?

[P !lM4p4mRDIo No.13401035]

>>13400766
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.13401069]

>>13399748
Good thing we crushed these people into the ground while we still could. Can you imagine how bad the world would be if these monsters won?

[Anonymous No.13401174]

>>13399145
>this person posts on /lit/ and is not baiting
did you come here from the r/socialism raid or something

[Anonymous No.13401360]

>>13399145
there are people who really do believe that every single non-white immigrant to Europe or the USA had his house personally blown up by a drone strike. even the mexicans and squatemalens and shit.

[Anonymous No.13401368]

>>13399393
>Marx was actually describing reality

[Anonymous No.13401379]

>>13399748
what if hitler was right about absolutely everything? wouldn't that be a mindfuck

[Anonymous No.13401385]

>>13401379
huh w..weird right?

[Anonymous No.13401398]

Can someone start a NatSoc thread on /gif/? I don't have any webm's.

[Anonymous No.13401411]

>ctrl+f "Woltmann"
>0 hits

This board is shit. It's fucking shit. You're all obtuse posers who don't read at all.

[Anonymous No.13401472]

>>13401411
>he doesn't realise that he was the anon who failed

[Anonymous No.13401514]

>>13396471
Pretty much

Nietzsche absolute btfo the socialists on this point

[Anonymous No.13401706]

>>13401069
>he thinks this was the average german in 1939
the average american owns 4 houses and earns 250k

[Anonymous No.13401923]

itt: hitler bad

[Anonymous No.13402414]

>>13399145
You are a dumb piece of shit and we both know your dream of a workers utopia is unrealistic and you will die having wasted your whole live slaving away for a soulless multinational corporation. Enjoy hell you dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.13402416]

>>13401923
Maybe he was

[Anonymous No.13402557]

>>13396271
Fascism is communism for people who hate communism.

[Anonymous No.13402575]

>>13401923
Of course. He ran the country into the ground even before the war

[Anonymous No.13402577]

>>13402557
Fascism is capitalism*

[Anonymous No.13402587]

>>13402577
I do not see fascism as an economic system per se. Hitler's fascism was a mixed bag economically.

[Anonymous No.13402597]

>>13402587
>still thinking in terms of left and right

[Anonymous No.13402605]

>>13402597
>still thinking in terms of left and right
You must be viewing your own projection.

[Anonymous No.13402619]

>>13402575

[Anonymous No.13402673]

>>13402605
>I don't see Fascism as an economic system
>it was a mixed bag economically

[Anonymous No.13403159]

>>13400834
/r/socialism is full of tankie retards, why would I browse it

>>13401360
yes, those people live in little houses, their houses are in a little town, and the town is in your little brain, forming your strawman catalogue

>>13402587
>I do not see fascism as an economic system per se
well, yes, it's a type of government that emerges on top of capitalism

[Anonymous No.13403163]

>>13403159
the first quotelink was supposed to be >>13401174

[Anonymous No.13403313]

>>13403159
go outside
have sex

[Anonymous No.13403332]

>>13403313
it's a well-observed fact that there's a good amount of fascists in incel communities, but basically no communists

[Anonymous No.13403342]

>>13403332
Communists who can't get laid become beta-orbiters instead.

[Anonymous No.13403347]

>>13396471
Fascism and Communism are weeds from the same root of Socialism. Fascism is right-wing socialism and Communism is left-wing socialism.

[Anonymous No.13403387]

>>13403332
i was a member of the local communist youth party in highschool, it was 90% weird dudes trying to hit on the three girls there. as i said, go outside.

[Anonymous No.13403405]

>>13403347
>Fascism and Communism are weeds from the same root of Socialism.
>Fascism is right-wing socialism and Communism is left-wing socialism.

[Anonymous No.13403409]

>>13403405
Yes that's what I said.

[Anonymous No.13403416]

>>13403409
Yeah, that's what you said.

[Anonymous No.13403435]

>>13403416
I'm glad we agree.

[Anonymous No.13403479]

>>13403347
Excuse my ignorance, but doesn't communism predate the idea of socialism? Or am I thinking of socialist democracy?

[Anonymous No.13403510]

>>13403479
As far as I know, marx uses the terms interchangeably, alongside "upper/lower stage of communism" rather than socialism/communism
Democratic socialism is either revolutionary or electoral, but is anti-capitalist. Social democracy (Which americans are now calling democratic socialism, but don't listen to them) was originally marxist in nature (The bolsheviks, for example, were a faction of The Russian Social Democratic Labour Party) , but nowadays it only aims to improve the condition of the working class within the framework of capitalism and electoralism.

[Anonymous No.13403525]

>>13403435
Assumingly exepting the fact that I, unlike you, find what you claimed to be complete bullshit to be mocked. Correct?

[Anonymous No.13403530]

>>13397792
This is only something retards in the DSA and their European equivalents believe. Sure there have been democratic communists, for example Stalinism ironically also makes broad appeals to democratic legitimacy, especially internally.

But there are definite anti-democratic strains within communist theory and practice.

In short, https://readbordiga.org/

[Anonymous No.13403543]

>>13403525
It’s not really that mock worthy at all. It’s not necessarily correct but it isn’t wrong, if that makes any sense.

It’s a half truth: a lot more complicated but you can definitely make the argument that most of the mid - 1900s Fascist regimes were inspired by Marx

:3

[Anonymous No.13403545]

>>13403530
>In short, https://readbordiga.org/
my face when this actually exists

[Anonymous No.13403552]

Nothing. Hitler was not an intellectual at all and they used 'socialism' as a fancy PR word (socialism was upcoming and popular back then) to manipulate the masses. Nothing socialist about extreme nationalism, they're literally polar opposites. Only Americans would confuse those terms.

[Anonymous No.13403553]

>>13403545
Made as a parody for read settlers, of course. God leftbook was annoying when that peaked

[Anonymous No.13403557]

>>13402414
laughed

[Anonymous No.13403576]

>>13399112
>everybody floods the west
>around 150000 immigrants year in a conitnent of over 700 millions
>everybody loses its shit
>several millions of migrants in the middle east which has 400 millions people
>nobody cares
I wonder when Western people became such whining bitches. It's because harder to believe that those wusses can be descended from the people who bore the brunt of WW1 and WW2

[Anonymous No.13403580]

>>13403510
I see; thank you.

[Anonymous No.13403585]

>>13403332
Because communists support female hypergamy

[Anonymous No.13403586]

>>13403552
>Nothing socialist about extreme nationalism

That is the single stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

If you meant there is no correlation I’d be disposed to agree but if you’re making the statement in an attempt to imply they are opposites in any way, you’re wrong. So far, every socialist regime established has been extremely nationalistic. I wonder why? Is it the fact that you’re an idiot and they don’t want to let people like you into their country and fuck up their regimes modus operandi?

:3

I think we’ve done it. We finally broke this fucking retards brain. He doesn’t understand how or why socialist regimes are extremely militaristic. Jesus fucking Christ, pick up a god damn book

[Anonymous No.13403587]

>>13399504
Also he has a mustache, that's manly.

[Anonymous No.13403654]

>>13399145
>nobody will "flood the west" once they can do non-exploitative work and feed themselves anywhere in the world

Okay and while you wait hundreds of years for this to happen in Africa they've already all crossed the med in bathtubs. Or are you advocating for imperialist wars in order to remake African societies? I don't think the current gen of African warlords would take kindly to you taking away their power to exploit their own people.

[Anonymous No.13403665]

>>13399393
One deals with national unity based in blood kindred.
The other in an abstract definition of workers and owners that don't encompass certain kinds of workers and certain kind of owners.
The former was fairly well-figured out a few years into it the latter still needs mountains of apologia to explain and re-interpret and theorize new ways of applying it precisely because it is not based in reality. Easiest way to make adherents of it assmad is to mention phrases like Human Nature or discuss evolutionary characteristics (muh evopsych biotruths as the retarded are wont to complain).

[Anonymous No.13403687]

Between the Ostsiedlung, Strasserism, anti-Semitism, and Wotanic esotericism, I think it's more apt to call Nazis simply German Autism's final form rather than fascism the likes of Italy

[Anonymous No.13403712]

>>13403576
>dude the continent's like already full
>what will a couple million more migrants hurt?

[Anonymous No.13403757]

>>13403586
>So far, every socialist regime established has been extremely nationalistic.
every regime that used nationalist rhetoric also used socialist rhetoric*
>I wonder why?
because when they're not based on a solid theoretical ground but pure populism, regimes will use every kind of rhetoric that proves successful, the more the better

>>13403654
>Or are you advocating for imperialist wars in order to remake African societies
anti-imperialist
>I don't think the current gen of African warlords would take kindly to you taking away their power to exploit their own people.
no shit

[Anonymous No.13403768]

>>13396271
It means that he understood Marx better than most of the so-called "marxists".

[Anonymous No.13403787]

>>13403757
>anti-imperialist
well good luck implementing your worldwide workers utopia that you think will just magically appear

[Anonymous No.13403815]

>>13403787
>magically appear
I literally affirmed that it would require a war, just not imperialist one.
for a war in Africa to be imperialist it would have to result in an installation of new exploiters in place of the old. imperialism is based on economic subjugation and exploitation, not just any military action

[Anonymous No.13403849]

>>13403332
Commies generally join up with the tranny communities and don't get laid there either.
>imagine being dumped by a tranny

[Anonymous No.13403857]

>>13403815
>it would have to result in an installation of new exploiters in place of the old
So just like every struggle in Africa has resulted in, including those wholly unrelated to imperialism.

[Anonymous No.13404013]

>>13403815
Look you fucking moron. No one thinks you’re smart here. Maybe in some Gen Z college classroom you could get away with this new-Marxist bullshit but not here motherfucker.

Your utopian society is creating a dystopia right now. And you should see that large militarism goes hand in hand with nationalism.

I LITERALLY cannot believe I am engaging with you further. This is denigrating my moral reserve. You must be ten years younger than me or something.

Fuck off :3

[Anonymous No.13404040]

>>13403815
>Once we kill the bad people surely no one will step in and exploit

Kek hasnt this been the socialist hope for like a century now

[Anonymous No.13404055]

Read What is Socialism? By Joseph Goebbels. He breaks down some of the separation between National Socialism and Marxism. Also Gottfried Feder gives some more in depth insight is some of his work. They also talk about things referenced in this quote. A lot of retards will probably say that "Hitler doesn't understand Marxism". But he did. He recognized that the idea of internationalism is dangerous to the people, and that the German society does not want (or at least did not want) democracy. That throughout the course of German Society the people wanted a strong German leader. Except as of late he saw that the leaders didn't care about the people, working off of bourgeoisie interests. So instead he want to bring strong nationalism in with some social characteristics, thus seperating it from Marxism and Marxist Socialism.

[Anonymous No.13404099]

>>13404055
So you would say National Socialism is a consequence of Marxism? Without one you don’t have the other.

:3

[Anonymous No.13404141]

>>13404099
Of course, I'm not saying there is zero similarities but in the end it's vastly different from traditional Marxism.

[Anonymous No.13404142]

>>13403815
lmao look at any african "marxist" leader since the ideologies inception and tell me why you'd be any different

[Anonymous No.13404149]

>>13403768
Genuine question do you think you've said something profound, uncovered some dark secret about modern marxists or something? What make people post shit like this?

[Anonymous No.13404166]

>>13404142
Sankara was awesome. Also random nationalists adopting communist rhetoric without any substance is was pretty common during the Cold War. One could also argue the same about many CPC leaders like Deng.

[Anonymous No.13404174]

>>13404149
Are you genuinely offended? I am fascinated by this behavior.

Do you align with the ‘Neo Marxists’ or the ‘Marxists’?

Genuine Marxists are such a rarity around here, they usually get their asses handed to them by FACTS AND LOGIC.

:3

[Anonymous No.13404184]

>>13404174
>they usually get their asses handed to them by FACTS AND LOGIC
Too far, I ain't biting, ain't no one biting

[Anonymous No.13404187]

>>13404141
I don’t think anyone would disagree with you there.

Hard to meet people with a mature view around here like that. It takes a political scientist to see that Hitler’s movement was inspired by Marxism.

Yes it deviated very severely from Marx’s Rhetoric and political approach in The Communist Manifesto. :3

[Anonymous No.13404191]

>>13404013
>new-Marxism
? just Marxism

>Your utopian society is creating a dystopia right now.
u wot m8

>And you should see that large militarism goes hand in hand with nationalism.
if the military is controlled by a bourgeois organ then sure. it would be internationalist when controlled by a proletarian organ.

>I LITERALLY cannot believe I am engaging with you further. This is denigrating my moral reserve. You must be ten years younger than me or something.
you sound autistic

>>13404040
I never even mentioned any bad people
if all the means of production become centralized under society then yes, transformation of means of production into capital and by consequence also exploitation of labour will become impossible

>He recognized that the idea of internationalism is dangerous to the people, and that the German society does not want (or at least did not want) democracy.
Marx was anti-democracy.

>>13404142
Marxism–Leninism is anti-Marxist.

[Anonymous No.13404197]

>>13404184
>ain’t
Haw haw haw. Looks like I didn get me a southner on muh hook.

... seriously a Marxist that uses the word AINT?! :3

[Anonymous No.13404209]

>>13404191
Some organizing body must be in control of a militaristic operation moron.

You cannot control a military solely through a democratic process for the proletariat. That’s not how a military works. :3

[Anonymous No.13404242]

>>13404209
>Some organizing body must be in control of a militaristic operation moron.
I never said otherwise, you cretin.

>You cannot control a military solely through a democratic process for the proletariat.
neither did I say that. you need to learn to read

[Anonymous No.13404404]

>>13402673
>I don't see Fascism as an economic system
>Hitler's fascism was a mixed bag economically
FTFY, because fascism, in itself, is not an economic system - though governments, even fascistic ones, will inherently interface with the economy.

[Anonymous No.13404587]

>>13403525
Please explain how it's wrong then. Unless you're one of those retards who think the Nazis weren't socialists lol

[Anonymous No.13404681]

>>13396471
based

[Anonymous No.13404694]

>>13401368
What do you think
"Seize the means of production" even mean anon? It doesn't get less abstract than that.
Fascism is about seizing national production, so you can go at a higher and more effective level than what natural capitalism allows. And that means almost everything is a part of the natural production chain, including youth moral and supply chains needed for industry.

Marxism is defined by this, and so is any social theory with root in Marxism. And its contrasted by Austrian school of thought, where its accepted that the marked might work itself out for the better.
The only problem with Austrian school of thought, is that you ignore that the marked is shy and do not dare investments with extreme returns. I.e building national railroads, national highways, maintaining basic supply chain to produce high end technology.

[Anonymous No.13404903]

>>13404242
Then you are going to, by and large, necessitate some form of autocratic control, nationalizing your regime.

We understand that the ideology of Marxism is somewhat cosmopolitan, but as Hayek stated, any form of economic control necessarily organizes and militarizes the nationalistic urge of the society.

This leads me to make the posts like up above where I am helping people to see WHY Marx necessitated the Bolshevik revolutions and Hitler’s regime.

Marx himself had some contradictions in his works as well, making his literature some of the most dangerous, incorrect stuff ever written.

[Anonymous No.13404924]

>>13403552
you've just outed yourself as a biased retard

why even spout your shit about something you have no idea about?

[Anonymous No.13404940]

>>13404903
>Then you are going to, by and large, necessitate some form of autocratic control, nationalizing your regime.
that's not what nationalism means

>but as Hayek stated
Hayek was a retard

>Marx himself had some contradictions in his works as well
you haven't read Marx

[Anonymous No.13404949]

>>13404940
If I state that there are glaring contradictions in Marx’s works then I haven’t read him?

Wouldn’t a better gauge of my interpretation of Marx’s work be to ask ‘what are the glaring contradictions in Marx’s work?’ As opposed to whine and complain that anyone who has any problem with him hasn’t read him?

:3

[Anonymous No.13405020]

>>13404949
>If I state that there are glaring contradictions in Marx’s works then I haven’t read him?
the consequent is true so the hypothetical is as well

>As opposed to whine and complain that anyone who has any problem with him hasn’t read him?
not anyony who has any problem with him, but you, the retard, specifically

[Anonymous No.13405028]

>>13405020
I have read Marx

[Anonymous No.13405122]

>>13405028
>>13404949
>>13404903
The writing on the wall is that you claim to have read Marx
Which essentially means skimming Marx, and then drawing wrong conclusions from empirical analyze thats as blunt as its possible to get. So blunt, that Marxism has survived past decades of more charismatic and brighter Socialists, but Marxism still prevailed.
And Marxism will still prevail in decades to come, because "Seize the means of production" is a far blunter and effective message then whatever Utopian ideal that the charismatic spout.

[Anonymous No.13405165]

>>13405122
no, he didn't skim, he read all of it. and by it I mean the Manifesto. and this is the case with 99% of that portion of those retards which at least technically doesn't lie when they said they've "read Marx"

[Anonymous No.13405227]

>>13404191
>proletarians are internationalist
lol it's the bourgeois who are internationalist and globalist.
Proles are the most nationalist of all and far more prone to isolationism.

[Anonymous No.13405264]

>>13405227
I was talking about a proletarian organ, which can only be formed by class-conscious proletarians. The people you speak of are not yet that, but only members of a chaotic mass of wage-labourers, some of whom can and will get duped by reactionaries into putting "national interest" over their class interest, sure.

[Anonymous No.13405282]

>>13405165
>>13405122
I’ve read more than the Communist Manifesto you fucking morons.

No, Marxism will not ‘prevail’. It has wreaked absolute havoc on the known world and has only served to divide humans ideologically further still.

You sicken me, and your inability to believe someone like me actually grasps the dialectical historical approach to an organic culture like Marx espoused in Vol. I of Capital, and then looks at history and knows, absolutely knows in the bottom of my heart that no, absolutely not.

History has not been about class struggle at all. But about the interests of everyone working together. :3

[Anonymous No.13405290]

>>13405165
>>13405122
>they think you have to agree with Marx if you’ve read Capital

LOL.

No. You are a dunce. And just like that, because of the vocaroos last night, your ‘movement’ is fucking over.

Dead.

[Anonymous No.13405354]

>>13405282
>Marxism will not ‘prevail’
Marxism prevails by standing against the tooth of time, and it keeps surviving far more charismatic leaders than Marx.
If you think it means something else, you are welcome to give it profound words.


>>13405290
>. And just like that,
>because of the *insider joke of something like a IRC network nobody has participated in* last night,
>*random gibberish*
K kiddo.
Don't go do the drugz.

[Anonymous No.13405370]

>>13399504
the more you read about him the more you admire him.

[Anonymous No.13405399]

>>13405354
It means something else than what...?

You’re the one not making any sense.

Define communism in WORDS not FEELINGS please

[Anonymous No.13405437]

>>13405399
>Define communism
1. Idea: Seize the means of production
2. Action: Worker class collectively do this
3. Result: Society isn't shit

4. Pragmatic side effect: Won't stop Stalin 3.0 from seizing power down the line, because Charismatic pragmatists eventually flicker closer to the means of collective power
5. The end: Communist society collapses because of evils of man. Or it just keeps on going as another tyranni, where the worker controls the means of production under great Overlord Gorbachev

Addendum:
Nice spacing kiddo

[Anonymous No.13405451]

>>13396271
The non conformist white youth who would have just ten years ago swelled the ranks of the left are now swarming to the radical right. It stands as evident that left is the last bulwark of a decadent bourgeoisie order, the spearhead of americanisation and craven consumerism and and advocate for slave morality and a thoroughly bovine way of life. Just look at your average leftist: shrill panicky, neurotic, a snivelling repressive bureaucrat who sees fascists in every corner, has read no book since harry potter(reading anything else marks out one as suspect in leftist circles), has no sense at all of art and the sublime. In leftist spaces online you get banned for devviating from the cnn vice disney cnn nyt party line or being even mildly cynical about woke mass culture. The leftists dont want virtuous citisens, they dont want warriors or great artists, they want economic units, consumers, complacent lobotomised tolerant and homogenous.

[Anonymous No.13405464]

>>13405264
All smart marxists end up as globalist corporatist neocons and woke ad execs/journos, all smart proles end up as fascists. If you are a non elite white hetero you have literally no reason for supporting the left and every reason for supporting the radical right

[Anonymous No.13405469]

>>13405464
>If you are a non elite white hetero you have literally no reason for supporting the left
leftists are anti-communist

[Anonymous No.13405499]

>>13405469
Intersectional Kojevian trotskyte neocon synthesis is the ultimate form of communism. I consider myself anti deutsch even though I am american

[Anonymous No.13405529]

>>13396271

i don't really trust that quote unless it has a source because right-wingers like to misattribute and make up quotes to make nazism look like it was left-wing

[Anonymous No.13405727]

>>13399584
>doesn't see the connection
They have non-material reasons for migration anyway. Research Jihad.

[Anonymous No.13405827]

>>13405727
yes, all 30 of them