/lit/ - Literature

[OP No.13367209]

What are the best books to get a comprehensive understanding of the founding of the US and it’s principles and creation of the constitution? I want to build a proper foundation to understand the shitshow going on right now.

[Anonymous No.13367256]

>>13367209
Founding Brothers and The Spirit of the Laws are good introductory books to america.

[Anonymous No.13367284]

>>13367209
You're asking for two different things
>history of US founding
>current constitutional jurisprudence

[Anonymous No.13367292]

The shitshow going on right now is a direct result of the foundation it was built on, brainlet. The Enlightenment and American Revolutions were tragic misteps in human history and has led to the debased state it now resides.

[OP No.13367293]

>>13367284
>these two things are not extremely closely related

[OP No.13367303]

>>13367292
>another post not recommending books and just trying to sound smart
Post relevant books or gtfo anon

[Anonymous No.13367309]

>>13367303
Your premise was flawed, which had to be noted.

[Anonymous No.13367313]

>>13367293
They aren't though. We have 243 years of Supreme Court Jurisprudence to get through to understand the obligations of the different branches, not to mention the legislative and administrative policies that have been passed in that time that intertwine and lay the ground work for the functioning of the government itself. Sure you can learn your basic civics and learn about the separation of powers and how the stamp act pissed a bunch of slave owning farmers off, but that's not going to give you much context for the minutiae of political actions going on within the administration or the actions the courts or legislature can take to challenge it.

[Anonymous No.13367314]

>>13367303
/lit/ isn't your personal recommendation engine. Go do your own research you stupid faggot

[Anonymous No.13367317]

>>13367303
>Post relevant books or gtfo anon
Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

[Anonymous No.13367318]

>>13367209
>the shitshow going on right now.
you should probably look up shit on authoritarianism and postcolonialism, then

[OP No.13367355]

>>13367309
Go away autist, I asked for basic book recommendations on two closely related topics.
>>13367313
I asked for the history and principles (read: philosophy) of the founding of America, not all constitutional evolutions since then.

[Anonymous No.13367371]

>>13367355
>Go away autist, I asked for basic book recommendations on two closely related topics.
You asked for simple books to parrot and regurgitate like a midwit. You have no real genuine interest in establishing cause and effect. He that loveth correction, loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is foolish.

[Anonymous No.13367383]

>>13367355
But you asked it with the explicit intent to understand the current political environment, which you can't understand with a simple knowledge of the founding fathers. But as far as philosophy, the founding fathers were inspired by a wide breadth of philosophy. John Adams would read Plato and Aristotle in Latin, he (a lawyer) drafted the Connecticut constitution which our constitution was based off of, which was only adopted after the Articles of Confederation failed. Much of the inspiration and jurisprudence is based off the idea of natural rights which was popularized by philosophers such as Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.

[Anonymous No.13367392]

>>13367383
""""Post relevant books or gtfo anon""""

DUMBASS.

[OP No.13367410]

>>13367383
I’m just trying to establish the political science basis to analyze contemporary events. Constructional historical study will follow but isn’t main concern now. Thanks for recommending a few leads, I’m starting some John Adam books but would like to expand from there.
>>13367371
You're a straight pseudo-intellectual. If you don’t have any book recommendations, then fuck off. Absolutely no point for you being here.

[Anonymous No.13367415]

>>13367392
>plato's republic
>Aristotle's politics
>Hobbe's leviathan
>Locke's Essay Concerning Human Understanding

holy fuck do you not know how to google anything you fucking degenerate waste of human garbage?

[Anonymous No.13367416]

>>13367410
You're the pseud. If you're not trolling, you're the literal incarnation of this meme >>13367317

[Anonymous No.13367418]

>>13367392
>""""Post relevant books or gtfo anon""""

[OP No.13367420]

>>13367415
I’m just trying to establish the political science basis to analyze contemporary events. Constructional historical study will follow but isn’t main concern now. Thanks for recommending a few leads, I’m starting some John Adam books but would like to expand from there.

[OP No.13367431]

So far, no recommendations. This place is garbage. I might need to go ask on some forum or go on /r/history but they lean a little too left for my liking.

[OP No.13367436]

>>13367416
Fuck off faggot. You’re so stupid you can’t even recommend books on a literature board.

[Anonymous No.13367455]

You have to read to much. All classic philosophy up to Hegel (Including the bible, scholastics, and protestants) is necessary for the comprehensive understanding of the founding of the US. And all classic analytical and continental philosophy (including Hegel) for the shitshow going on right now. You can start with complete works of Plato.

[Anonymous No.13367460]

>>13367436

[Anonymous No.13367463]

>>13367431
>So far, no recommendations. This place is garbage.

You got at least three. Stop whining.

>I might need to go ask on some forum or go on /r/history but they lean a little too left for my liking.

You remind me of this kid who used to post on College Confidential. He was a paleocon or some shit and he kept asking for recs of schools that were preppy and conservative, and then trashed every recommendation he got. My point is, Paleocon Prep is probably dead of AIDS by this point, so don't be like him.

[OP No.13367464]

120? I'd take that. Even 110 isn't bad. Have you ever seen an IQ map, idiot?

[OP No.13367496]

>>13367463
Some faggot is impersonating me because he’s a loser. I’m happy with the recommendations I got here, seems like a good start.
>>13367455
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.13367528]

>>13367496
You're the one bitching at every comment trying to point you in the right direction and wanting to be spoonfed from single sources without any further direction. I assume it all stems from aggrandizing the importance of the Founding Fathers and muh constitution, as if they had it right to begin with. You seem to take personal offense at anything that seems to suggest that they may, in fact, have had it wrong.

[OP No.13367538]

>>13367528
>no books to be found
0/10

[Anonymous No.13367551]

>>13367292
>>13367309
>>13367314
>>13367317
>>13367371
>>13367416
>>13367431
>>13367460
>>13367464
have sex

[Anonymous No.13367607]

>>13367209
see this OP
https://pastebin.com/uWy56vWT

[Anonymous No.13367619]

Patriots by AJ Langguth is good for the history of the Revolution.

[Anonymous No.13367644]

>>13367314
Yes it is

[Anonymous No.13367705]

>>13367209
A collection of Thomas Paine scratched that itch for me. Benjamin Franklin's autobiography is great for many reasons.