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« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 06:44:00 2019 No.13352620 [Reply] [Original]

Why is the liberal tradition so much richer, so much more prolific than the leftist or reactionary traditions?
For example, the liberal tradition can claim:
>Socrates
>Cicero
>Cato
>Machiavelli
>Adam Smith
>Locke
>Rousseau
>Montesquieu
>Voltaire
>Kant
>Hamilton
>Jefferson
>Bentham
>Tocqueville
>J.S. Mill
>Nietzsche*
>Friedman
>Keynes
>Hayek
>Jung

What can leftists claim? Marx? Mao?
And what of fascists? Mussolini and Evola?
Pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:49:25 2019 No.13352648 Child A gets flute, child B is recognised for the good flute she made. If child A makes any money from flute playing child B gets some of the money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:50:40 2019 No.13352651 >>13352648 and if they create a large excess of money they give some to child C to eat and study something or whatever

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:51:07 2019 No.13352653 File: 6 KB, 250x203, 1549693719591.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] C

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:51:25 2019 No.13352654 >>13352620 B obviously

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:53:00 2019 No.13352658 Assuming I have the flute and am deciding, I just nick it and run away, selling it for profit or learning to play it if I can. Otherwise child B gets the flute, child A can try buy it from B or negotiate, child C is told to fuck off.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 06:53:51 2019 No.13352662 >>13352648 okay bootlicker

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 06:55:48 2019 No.13352668 File: 1.76 MB, 219x186, 1544256148499.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352658

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:56:51 2019 No.13352674 >>13352662 no

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:57:40 2019 No.13352677 >>13352620 Why am I deciding? I didn't make it; it isn't my flute. B gets it and can decide what to do with it. Also that isn't how children tallk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 06:58:18 2019 No.13352679 C. Otherwise, they have nothing to live for, their minds atrophy, and fail to contribute to society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:00:02 2019 No.13352685 >>13352620 Why does someone use a tripcode on a fucking anonymous imageboard. Why do you need to feel so special. Why can't you get your validation feelings on some fucking social network like the rest of the people?

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:00:12 2019 No.13352686

>>13352648
Does child B have a say in this, or are we going to force her to make flutes so snotty little bourgeois bitches can give her some pity money after stealing the fruits of her labor? How about child A gets a job of her own so her dumb ass can pay for any flute that happens to cross her path? Oh look, a flute exists and I can play flutes, so that means I own it now. FFS what an entitled little shit.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:00:58 2019 No.13352689 >>13352674 You are forcefully repossessing her property without compensation. The word is theft, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:02:09 2019 No.13352693 >>13352689 >>13352686 no, I'm thinking from B's perspective faggot cia niggy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:02:28 2019 No.13352694 File: 133 KB, 800x450, smart grugg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352689 Imagine saying this to a caveman. This is so divorced from natural law and eugenic order that it's laughable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:04:42 2019 No.13352703 >>13352694 Imagine basing your positions on things on what fucking cavemen would think.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:06:10 2019 No.13352711 >>13352694 cringe

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:07:22 2019 No.13352719

>>13352694
What are you talking about retard? If grug makes a spear and you take his spear and give it to chadgrug because chadgrug is a better hunter, I don't think grug would be very happy about it. Grug would at least expect some sort of payment for it. Even chimps have been seen to barter with eachother.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:07:25 2019 No.13352721

Wow you guys have Bentham. That's nuts. What a magisterial figure. I'm envious really.

The problem with liberal thought is that you think a sensible political position can be constructed from this milquetoast, ragtag collection of disparate thinkers. The liberal mindset really is the most ineffable, simply for the fact that describing one's self as a 'liberal' is entirely meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:08:43 2019 No.13352727 >>13352694 based caveman A thinking

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:09:16 2019 No.13352729
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>>13352703
Imagine resorting to social constructs like "property rights" that enable low IQ people to amass wealth by happenstance and to just expect people to accept it when it would have been rectified in a short minute back in Grug's day.
>>13352719
Chad grug would take it from it without remuneration, idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:10:57 2019 No.13352736 I'm a liberal eco fascist. Child B gets the flute and can sell it to A, child C gets beaten up for being a self entitled turd.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:12:05 2019 No.13352740 >>13352736 fails to contribute to society in any meaningful way again You sure BTFO'd C.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:12:58 2019 No.13352745 >>13352721 Not true. Common threads run between liberal thinkers. Those being: inalienable rights, limited constitutional government, republicanism, freedom of speech and worship, and free markets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:13:28 2019 No.13352748 >>13352729 Fuck Grug. Social constructs are good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:13:58 2019 No.13352749 >>13352620 I am stronger than all 3 kids so I just take the flute for myself and nobody can do anything about it. Might makes right.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄3 » !!pWGITim7tZG Mon Jun 24 07:14:04 2019 No.13352750 >>13352736 >eco fascist >not beating B up for using natural resources to produce an useless flute

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:14:07 2019 No.13352751

>>13352729
>Chad grug would take it from it without remuneration, idiot.
And now no one will ever make another spear again because they know chad grug will just take it from them. Looks like instead of hunting chadgrug has to spend some time learning to make spears.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:15:17 2019 No.13352758 >>13352748 They are good if they are based on natural law and serve logical ends. Protecting the status of inferior people has the opposite effect and leads to deterioration of society and the human condition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:16:07 2019 No.13352761 >>13352694 >>13352719 >Even chimps have been seen to barter with eachother. That's not a fair comparison. Chimps are much smarter than Liberals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:16:43 2019 No.13352763 >>13352703 Imagine not.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:16:46 2019 No.13352764

>>13352729
That would make Chadgrug the idiot, because there isn't an endless supply of people to take spears from. Perhaps he could force Grug to make spears, but then he better never turn his back on Grug, ever. It would be much more beneficial to give Grug some sort of compensation so that he gladly continues making spears.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:16:50 2019 No.13352765 > Socrates > Extreme pro-aristocratic troll > Liberal Lol ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:17:14 2019 No.13352768 >>13352758 No it doesn't.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:18:48 2019 No.13352771

>>13352750
Point taken, but if the flute is of use then it can be spared of punishment. My way of eco fascism is to reduce waste and useless humans that cannot contribute to society, people like neets, incels and SJW liberals. Also banning reality TV, yellow news and anything related to adult content. So that children can develop into high quallity adults with critical thinking skills they seem to miss. Also banning all migration from nin-white countries with the exception of very talented individuals. And the enforcement of populatiom control in 3rd world countries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:19:53 2019 No.13352776 File: 300 KB, 800x491, ahem.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >property rights are good and lead to proper societal allocation of resources cringe

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:20:39 2019 No.13352779 >>13352765 >Socrates >great democratizer of philosophy >taking the discourse to the people in the street >not a proto-liberal

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:21:04 2019 No.13352782 >>13352751 fuck off, that's not how this works. The spear maker will make more spears for grug for protection from other grugs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:22:26 2019 No.13352786 >>13352776 >wah people are rich and I'm not Have sex poorfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:23:07 2019 No.13352791 >>13352751 Chad grug would learn to make the spears for himself or if he didn't, he would force lesser grug into slave labor to make them and teach his own tribe.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:23:41 2019 No.13352795 >>13352776 You don't get to choose what is valuable for everyone, that's entirely subjective. It is best for individuals to allocate resources according to their own wants and needs.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:25:51 2019 No.13352804
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Classical Liberalism does not equal American tranny democrats.

Liberal education of plato was to liberate one's mind from the things that would otherwise constrain it. Leftist Americans seek censorship of ideas and thought, destruction of the concept of femininity, and identify politics.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:27:26 2019 No.13352812

>>13352776
Any society even a fascist one needs to make sure that people cannot get rich from useless skills like entertainment. The distribution of wealth is a legit and needed concept. However giving money to people that refuse to work or to minorities should be banned. For example former Yugoslavia gave money for every Albanian child and they didn't work but they kept breeding like animals. Now we have a terrorist state in the Balkans. So I decided to follow liberal eco fascism, it will help the poor and working class of the prefered ethnicity while deporting and reducing the numbers of any unwanted. It will enforce eco friendly laws and invest most of it's budget into science, education and research and not into useless endeavours like war. The result will be a clean etno state. Also the regime will allow any and all constructive opposition because only through criticism can we progress further, bad opposition won't exist or will be dealt with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:27:31 2019 No.13352813 >>13352795 >It is best for individuals to allocate resources according to their own wants and needs. That's entirely subjective.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:31:41 2019 No.13352831 >>13352813 Values are subjective. Facts, and the interpretation of those facts into theory, are not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:32:38 2019 No.13352835 >>13352694 >try to take a club that a caveman made for himself >he beats you to death with it because it's his club and he doesn't want to part with it wow

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:34:20 2019 No.13352845 >>13352620 >^^

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:35:33 2019 No.13352849 >>13352812 >needs to make sure that people cannot get rich from useless skills like entertainment why? what's the difference between providing a good and providing a service, if people are willing to pay you for it?

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:36:50 2019 No.13352853

>>13352779
That's a very shallow reading of the evidence. We have three major witnesses for Socrates - Plato, Xenophon and Aristophanes. All three portray him as aligned with the anti-democratic party.

Would a liberal have been tied up with Alcibiades or the Thirty Tyrants?

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:37:05 2019 No.13352854

>>13352782
So you're saying that in exchange for spears, chad grug provides protection? That sounds like a form of remuneration to me.

>>13352791
Making spears is time consuming. It would be far more efficient to just pay someone who is specialized in that craft while chad grug spends his time on the activity that he is best at: hunting. As for the slavery scenario, in order for chad grug to pull that off and have enough support for it, we'd be talking about a society that no longer resembles the caveman/ state of nature scenario. It is difficult to force someone into slavery in a state of nature because at the end of the day, no man is that much more powerful than any other man. No matter how strong you are, a spear to the throat in your sleep will still put you down, and that's just what you get if you piss enough people off by stealing their shit.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:39:01 2019 No.13352860

>>13352620
>Socrates
Dear lord dyke enlighten us. How was being against democracy liberal?

All of those are liberal philosophers beside first three so no surprise.

If you want to really get your noggin jogging, why are there no great liberal philosophers now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:42:29 2019 No.13352874 >>13352779 >great democratizer Holy shit, how'd he do that? I forgot Socrates was a statesman. >discourse to ppl in the street Speaking to ppl doesn't make you a liberal and he's never written down as promoting free speech. That's anachronistic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:43:41 2019 No.13352878 >>13352776 Who are you to decide the proper allocation of resources? Whether you like it or not, most of your fellow humans are brainlets, and they chose to consume Oprah. The masses spoke.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:45:48 2019 No.13352890 >>13352853 Athenian democracy wasn't liberal in the first place, so there so no contradiction here. Also note I used the word 'tradition'.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:45:58 2019 No.13352892

>>13352620
B can sell A the flute.
There are scholarships A can apply to for financing.
If B is the only person with flute-technology she can under certain circumstances be made to break up her monopoly.
There's a dedicated but limited-scope support program for C with the aim of either making him a contributing member of society or at least preventing him from causing more trouble than necessary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:46:36 2019 No.13352895 God I missed Cicero. Lolololol.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:46:54 2019 No.13352897 >>13352874 >the free exchange of ideas and information isn't liberal Anon, I...

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:48:22 2019 No.13352904 >>13352895 He was an ardent republican. That's enough to ground him into the tradition. He also heavily influenced the founders of the American constitutional republic.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:49:13 2019 No.13352906
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>>13352878
>Who are you to decide the proper allocation of resources?
Who is a physician to decide care of the sick?
Who is a captain to decide care of his ship?
You ask who am I to decide the proper allocation of resources? I am a philosopher-king.
>Whether you like it or not, most of your fellow humans are brainlets, and they chose to consume Oprah. The masses spoke.
I reject democracy and count their deliberations and verdicts as fruitless and inefficient exercises leading to suboptimal outcomes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:49:32 2019 No.13352907

>>13352890
>Athenian democracy wasn't liberal in the first place,

That's the point, liberalism didn't exist then and wouldn't for another ~2000 years.

> Also note I used the word 'tradition'.

Note I used the word 'abracadabra' so my argument is correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:50:27 2019 No.13352908 I thought this dyke cunt was a tankie

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:50:46 2019 No.13352909 >>13352904 Democritus influenced Marx. Democritus was not a Marxist.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 07:51:20 2019 No.13352912 >>13352907 >what does the prefix 'proto' mean

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:52:56 2019 No.13352917 >>13352912 >>what does the prefix 'proto' mean You didn't use that in your original shitpost, and even then it's still arguably be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:52:56 2019 No.13352918 >>13352897 >free exchange of ideas Quote. Now. >>13352890 >Oh well shit he came before so he's somehow linked to this thing >while we're at it let's throw Hobbes in there, he liked talking

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:54:53 2019 No.13352926 >>13352620 B. A should have to buy the flute if she wants to play it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:57:07 2019 No.13352934 File: 80 KB, 750x669, 1561357716526.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is B is the midwit choice? Pro-tip, it is.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 07:58:44 2019 No.13352941

>>13352906
>philosopher-king
No such thing. Plato was a hack and the Republic was LARP-core. There is an objective answer to the diagnosis of a patient, there is an objective answer to the quickest and least perilous route for a ship, there is no objective answer to the best manner of rule, and even if there were, YOU certainly would not possess it.
>>13352906
>I reject democracy and count their deliberations and verdicts as fruitless and inefficient exercises leading to suboptimal outcomes.
Why LARP like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:01:25 2019 No.13352949 >>13352934 based shitposter

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 08:01:45 2019 No.13352951

>>13352909
his ideas had little to do with Marxism. equality is to broad of a concept to call it exclusively Marxist. That's why is isn't in the tradition
>>13352918
no quote needed. just examine his actions. he walked about town, and brought philosophy to the common man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:05:14 2019 No.13352963 >>13352941 >ad hominem argument in verbose post pseud spotted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:06:35 2019 No.13352968 >>13352941 >dislikes Plato Time to go back.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 08:07:52 2019 No.13352975 File: 541 KB, 2203x1814, 1550571906053.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352963 if that is verbose then fuck, man here, this chart should work for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:09:18 2019 No.13352978 >>13352975 verbose /vərˈbōs/ adjective using or expressed in more words than are needed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:09:54 2019 No.13352981 >>13352951 >talks about philosophy >to only common ppl A. You're retarded if u think he gave a specific shit about common ppl B. That makes Marx a liberal You're 4 or 5 levels of retarded bf

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:11:02 2019 No.13352989 >>13352963 >ad hominem post with not a single argument to be seen dude I though I was the pseud

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 08:11:46 2019 No.13352993 >>13352978 too long didn't read

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:13:06 2019 No.13352997 >>13352968 It isn't a matter of "like" or "dislike", it is a matter of agree or disagree. Why do you think of Plato as if he is some kind of common celebrity?

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 08:21:21 2019 No.13353016 >>13352981 You fail the understand the significance of Socrates' method of philosophizing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:27:52 2019 No.13353035 >>13353016 Talking w ppl doesn't make u a liberal or fighter for the common man. It certainly doesn't make u egalitarian and being anti democratic doesn't presuppose tranny jacks (g/acc)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:29:10 2019 No.13353040 >>13352620 Anyone saying anything other than child B WILL get the rope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:29:39 2019 No.13353043 >>13352620 bite me, tripfaggette

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:29:56 2019 No.13353044 File: 239 KB, 1200x859, 8743FFF8-521A-4539-86B4-B2E4C9FD5BF2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352620 copypasta. But sorta interesting . Also pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:32:13 2019 No.13353054 File: 24 KB, 478x482, 36533463_10212092616964579_6453989416590376960_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352620 A gang gang

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:32:17 2019 No.13353055 The flute belongs to whatever child can take it by force.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Mon Jun 24 08:32:29 2019 No.13353057 >>13353035 but it does demonstrate the willingness to freely associate with others and freely express ideas, which is a core tenant of liberalism. Socrates was all about discovering the truth of things through open inquiry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:32:40 2019 No.13353058 >>13352620 antony was worth 20 ciceros

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:37:01 2019 No.13353077 >>13353055 so it'll end up going to a black kid

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:39:24 2019 No.13353082

>>13353057
He wasn't speaking inanely to ppl to promote free speech. In apology he made no defences through free speech. He spoke about philosophy to find truth. Ppl say he spoke to question ppl and promote submissivity and to make ppl question their ideas. He did not, read Plato. He specifically sought truth. When he was informed by the delphic Oracle that he was the smartest he went to check it out. He did not have as a criteria that they should know they know nothing (in fact he admits objective knowledge in more tangible trades), that was his conclusion in an ironic way. He said he wanted to know the way of the universe in a simple conversation.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 08:45:43 2019 No.13353109
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>>13352620
i would give flute to adult woman that can put it in shes ass on webcam porn site, in this way I will simultaneously improve her financial situation and to some extent she will be able to play on it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 09:23:56 2019 No.13353230 >>13352620 >Socrates stopped reading there. You don't know what you are talking about, and thus should stop talking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 09:43:47 2019 No.13353312 >« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » stopped reading there.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!T2UdrWkLSWB Mon Jun 24 09:50:09 2019 No.13353331 C

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 09:53:12 2019 No.13353340 b, obviously. >lee kuan yew school of public policy lmao. b is also actual socialism, although i imagine the designers of the test intended c as the leftist answer and b as the capitalist/liberal one, which is false.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 10:01:52 2019 No.13353374

historically, liberal tradition is much richer, because it is older, though some of these examples are anachronistic (cicero, socrates, cato) or just plain wrong (nietzsche). certainly many figures from antiquity influenced liberalism (and fascism and socialism for that matter), but liberalism as a political philosophy began in the 17th century. machiavelli is probably a bit of an edge case.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 10:17:06 2019 No.13353437

>>13353340
>b is actual socialism
If it was socialist B would not own the materials. All 3 would collectively own the resources and the flute would owned by the government and loaned to whom every it saw fit. If we expanded the example, B would teach C how to build flutes and A would be given a flute to teach them B/B+C how to play.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 10:21:29 2019 No.13353455

>>13353312
Do you actually think this is the same Butterfly as the woman from years ago? These trips change on a daily basis, and so do the poster’s writing style and politics.
>>13352620
The flute is sold to A by the state, with all of the profits given to B, save for a taxable amount that is put into social programs for C to teach them flute making/flute playing as the market demands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 10:25:05 2019 No.13353465 >>13352620 I give all three children guns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 10:29:55 2019 No.13353487 Give A and tell her to fuck off Teach B to make money with selling flutes Turn C into a laborer for B and never make him forget he is the lowest tier in society

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 10:29:57 2019 No.13353489

>>13352620
Child B. Child A can choose to teach child B and even C to play the flute, in exchange for B giving A the flute some of the time. If child C learns to play the flute, they might be able to use this skill to make a similar bargain with another child who made another flute.

That way child B is not unjustly robbed of their efforts, child A is rightfully rewarded for their skill, and if the two of them are inclined to do so they could help child C, who is in fact not entitled to the labors of the other children and should be asking their parents why the fuck they brought them into this world when they neither own nor play a flute.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 11:16:28 2019 No.13353685 >>13352694 >natural law Cope and seethe c*Tholic

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 11:33:38 2019 No.13353750

>>13352620
The flute goes to A, because mastery of art is superior to mastery of craft, and the production of beauty is the highest aim kf society. B is enslaved to A to produce more and better instruments but is adequately paid, and C is either killed or enslaved gathering raw materials for the production of instruments and paid a pittance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 11:42:08 2019 No.13353783 >>13352620 >>13352648 B made the flute. It is his property. This is the end of the discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 11:51:08 2019 No.13353837 How the fuck do you learn to play the flute without already having one? Child B should get it of course, A can buy it off of B if she wants it that bad. C's a fucking mess of an existence and should go complain to his parents for giving birth to him.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 11:59:25 2019 No.13353876

>>13352620
The flute belongs to B. Any other choice is theft. If they steal the flute from B, B will simply stop making flutes and move away from a place where theft occurs if possible. Why bother to produce anything if others gang up on you and steal it? That is what I would do if I was B. Let A and C learn to make their own stuff! Democracy is 10 people voting to lynch one person... That is why we have an electoral college! ;-)

>>	Sage Mon Jun 24 12:03:48 2019 No.13353901 File: 25 KB, 308x308, 1556213471605.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352620 Geez butt-hurt-fly...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 12:22:55 2019 No.13354020 File: 237 KB, 1300x2000, 1560636707115.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352620 >butterflyfag >actually mentally retarded opinion Am I surprised? No, I am not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 16:02:31 2019 No.13355286 >>13352749 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 16:02:52 2019 No.13355288 >>13352620 B has the flute but lines it to A for a nominal fee. C is then employed by B to assist B in flute making and to rough up A if they don't pay flute-rent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 16:05:23 2019 No.13355305 >>13352620 why did B make the flute at all?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 16:07:12 2019 No.13355314 File: 553 KB, 900x1677, jailfu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352620 all of the people you named would be called alt-right by today's standards btfo again

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 16:33:40 2019 No.13355462 >>13352620 Why do we have to label thinkers as “liberal” before the concept was even created? Ancient Athens was a shithole town, and most Athenians were strongly against private initiative

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:02:22 2019 No.13355597 >>13352620 Child A, but Child B should be compensated. Child C should be euthanized.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:05:56 2019 No.13355614 >>13352620 B lends the flute to C at a reasonable price and gets to live off income C becomes A’s serf and frees him from menial work

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:07:44 2019 No.13355621 >>13355314 nice chart

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:11:43 2019 No.13355641 >>13352758 >They are good if they are based on natural law Natural law is also a social construct created by preconceptions of what our ancestors were like. The only way to do what you're asking is to lobotomize yourself back to a caveman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:18:14 2019 No.13355664 >>13352620 I can't imagine someone arguing against B A is such a cunt nugget. >Oh I arbitrarily decided I can play the flute the best so give me the thing you made

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:23:58 2019 No.13355678 >>13355314 rol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:27:45 2019 No.13355699 Why doesn't B just teach the other 2 to make a flute themselves? Everyone's happy then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:27:47 2019 No.13355700 >>13352651 Trickledown flutonomics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:45:22 2019 No.13355780 >>13352620 Break the flute in three pieces and shove it up their asses.

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 17:52:21 2019 No.13355814

>>13352620
>Liberals
>Socrates, Cicero, Machiavelli
Excuse me what the fuck?
Well fascism?
>Pirandello
>D'Annunzio
>Pound
>Hobbes
>NIETZSCHE
>Heidegger
Communism?
>Lenin
>Gramsci
>Pasolini
>Sartre*
now I am too tired but the list would be very long.

Child B make the flute so she have it.
Child A is a pretentious bitch
Hey we live in capitalism Child C could easily become an hooker and make some money. Now fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:07:48 2019 No.13355894 >>13355314 Victoria pls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:09:21 2019 No.13355905 >>13352620 Of course a namefag such as yourself wouldn't understand proper traditionalists are busy having a family, not stuck in some university writing a pile of books which will most likely be ignored.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:14:08 2019 No.13355924 >>13355814 >Fascism >Nietzsche Wtf happened,anon? You were based for the rest of the post I’d put Dante on fascism instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:16:50 2019 No.13355937 >>13355924 Well I was meaning his sister ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:20:42 2019 No.13355959 >>13352620 First, we ensure the children have enough to eat and suitable shelter, then we decide what to do about recreation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:23:47 2019 No.13355971 >>13355699 are you suggesting we break up the monopoly held by child B on the flute making market? awfully authoritarian of you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:25:19 2019 No.13355978 Is this the worst thread ever on /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:30:31 2019 No.13356013 >>13355978 you must be new to /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:32:49 2019 No.13356022 >>13352620 socrates was a leftist

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:33:38 2019 No.13356029 >>13352658 Based egoist poster

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:40:05 2019 No.13356052 >>13352711 >tripfag >cringe

Anonymous Mon Jun 24 18:55:09 2019 No.13356124

B keeps it. You guide B to consider lending it to A for the enrichment of all, but it's ultimately there's to learn as they please. Also consider B to teach A and C to make their own. Tell A and C not to be entitled fucks. If C's situation prevents them from learning, discuss with the group whether you all would be willing to help C out, or just help them out yourself.

>>13355314
Catherine or Alexandra pls

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 19:27:34 2019 No.13356298 >>13352620 Clearly A is sold the flute by B, who plays the flute for B and C.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 19:30:15 2019 No.13356311 liberal IS leftist

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:16:13 2019 No.13356781 >>13355314 God give me fortune

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:26:09 2019 No.13356838 >>13355314 rolling

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:27:50 2019 No.13356844 >>13355314 97 lookin cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:29:28 2019 No.13356854 >>13355314 russell russell russell

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:30:36 2019 No.13356857 Give it to C. Fuck womeme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:49:57 2019 No.13356935 Break the fucking flute and teach the brats to sing or do math problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 21:53:23 2019 No.13356959 shitty tripfag thread

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB Mon Jun 24 22:00:06 2019 No.13356990 File: 148 KB, 900x1200, 0ABE4037-53AE-4094-A337-7B3DF17F239A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13356959 It’s obvious bait, ya dumb bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 24 22:54:04 2019 No.13357233 >>13355314 :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 02:28:11 2019 No.13358005 File: 221 KB, 1582x491, capitalism2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13352620

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Tue Jun 25 08:18:22 2019 No.13358858 >>13353082 Doesn't matter what his intensions were. His ideas were the catalyst of the enlightenment, and modern liberalism was born of the enlightenment.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Tue Jun 25 08:19:26 2019 No.13358861 >>13356990 If it's bait then refute it, turbodyke

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 08:23:59 2019 No.13358885 >>13352694 >natural law what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 08:24:50 2019 No.13358887 >>13352653 BASED

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Tue Jun 25 08:32:51 2019 No.13358918 >>13356959 Butterfly once told me tripfags were the brave ones. I've joined suit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 08:33:25 2019 No.13358921 >>13355314 roll

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 08:42:15 2019 No.13358949 B gets the flute and sells it to child A.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 09:02:00 2019 No.13359047 >>13352906 based

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 09:48:48 2019 No.13359306 >>13352758 >logical >ends Pick one. Logic is a tool, not a motivation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 09:58:50 2019 No.13359363 Child B makes it and sells it. Buys more materials, makes two flutes. Sells more flutes. B hires A to play the flute at her brother’s Bar Mitzvah. Child C complains about Jews and sieg heils.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:07:19 2019 No.13359411 File: 29 KB, 394x464, 46185712_1384030798398634_2787142318623293440_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13355314 >Russell every time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:14:08 2019 No.13359461 >>13359363 >Jewish brother >Work in a factory Something fishy here..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:38:48 2019 No.13359611 >>13352941 >>13352906 Is right, you know. I for one would like to see him in the rulers' chair.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 10:53:49 2019 No.13359694
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I bet the rich man could play the flute and had children who could make them. Guess where they are now? Hell. Burning there for eternity. While Lazarus, had nothing in this life. No comfort. Received no compassion. All he asked for was a few crumbs. Poor Lazurus received them not. Oh how big of a difference would they have made! When he came to pass, he went straight to heaven. Think over your choices carefully friends. Eternity is at stake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 11:06:57 2019 No.13359759 >>13355314 rolan

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 12:47:41 2019 No.13360293 >>13359759 Idiot.

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 14:38:53 2019 No.13360832

>Socrates
not liberal
>Cicero
not liberal
>Cato
not liberal
>Machiavelli
not liberal
>Adam Smith
liberal and a retard
>Locke
retard
>Rousseau
retard
>Montesquieu
hyper retard
>Voltaire
fag retard
>Kant
not a liberal, and very based
>Hamilton
retard
>Jefferson
retard
>Bentham
absolute retard
>Tocqueville
barely a liberal, but still absolute basedboy retard
>J.S. Mill
biggest retard on this list
>Nietzsche*
uh what? literally the most anti-egalitarian, anti-humanist, anti-hedonist, idiot there is. Kind of based, but not liberal, very much a reactionary, and anti-enlightenment
>Friedman
absolute retard
>Keynes
retard
>Hayek
idiot
>Jung
Not a liberal at all, not dumb either, but his entire project is retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 15:11:58 2019 No.13360999 >>13360832 t. retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:29:36 2019 No.13361443 In any case eventually the biggest and strongest takes the flute.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:41:54 2019 No.13361509 >>13360832 Based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 16:43:21 2019 No.13361520 A IS EUGENIC B IS STATUS QUO (MIDWIT) C IS MORALISTIC

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:17:12 2019 No.13361986 >>13352906 accepting free market is pretty much accepting the will of the masses

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:19:47 2019 No.13361997 Child b gets the flute, child c can work for the flute and child a can get it financed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:22:28 2019 No.13362010 >>13360832 >calling nietzsche a reactionary Probably should have kept your actual opinions to yourself and just kept calling out respected philosophers as retards on a backwater internet forum.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:23:41 2019 No.13362013 child A gets the flute because the telos of the flute is to be played well. its the only option that makes any sense for art and aesthetics; imagine being on a literature board and choosing otherwise >muh labor >muh feelings

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:27:31 2019 No.13362030 >>13355314 >>>13352620 (OP) >all of the people you named would be called alt-right by today's standards >btfo again Gimme a roll

Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:42:58 2019 No.13362101

>Nietzsche
Literally the opposite of a liberal. Immoral, aristocratic, eugenist, anti-egalitarian, anti-demogratic, etcetera.
>Jung
Unless you're Jordan Peterson, he isn't worth shit to liberal tradition. Jung is a soft-reactionary whose spirituality would probably justify a hierarchical regime. He went as far as to describe as Hitler embodying Wotan.
>Hayek
He's a neoliberal and all, but he went all the way in Pinochet apologetics. Even affirming that a dictatorship is suitable for transitioning to democracy in his interviews and that a dictatorship is needed to stop a government from becoming too leftwing in "Constitution of Liberty".
Now for my list.
Reactionary:
>Dostoevsky
>Schopenhauer
>Ciorian
>Giovanni Gentile
>Oswald Spengler
>Hobbes
>Heidegger
>Nick Land
>Ezra Pound
>Lovecraft
>Paretto
>Carl Schmitt
>Carlyle
>Richard Wagner
>Ernst Junger
>Aristotle

Leftists:
>Proudhon
>Kafka
>Satre
>Derrida
>Deleuze
>Mark Fisher
>Bataille
>Kroptokin
>Gramsci
>Orwell
>Althusser
>Horkheimer
>Guy Debord
>Frederic Jameson
>Oscar Wilde
>Lenin
>Trotsky
>Lukacs
>Stirner

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 18:54:08 2019 No.13362153 I KEEP THE FLUTE FOR MYSELF AND THEN PLAY IT POORLY TO THE CHILDREN WHILST FLEXING TO DISPLAY MY STRENGTH

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:00:21 2019 No.13362189 >>13359363 I see the lefties are adjusting well to giving up their beliefs to be full time jewish slaves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 25 19:01:10 2019 No.13362194 >>13361997 Status quo.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Tue Jun 25 19:34:15 2019 No.13362346 >>13360832 Holy shit I was baiting a bit but goddamn, your fucking retarded.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!yvm0QrHZZJQ Tue Jun 25 19:40:54 2019 No.13362377 >>13362101 Nietzsche was anti-authoritarian and very individualist. He also was the harbinger of subjective value theory. So he belongs in the tradition. Your list is terrible btw.

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