/Non-Abrahamic Western Religions/

[Anonymous No.13310566]

Where do I pick up the thread of Western Religions that don't have Abrahamic roots?

I was thinking Gnosticism, but there are just so many rabbis involved in the early stuff.

Would Hermeticism and Neoplatonism be the only viable options?

[Anonymous No.13310609]

Gnosticism is abrahamic.
All these religions would be considered pagan by the church but if you don’t want to look into the commonly considered pagan ones trace the mystery cults

[Anonymous No.13310613]

>>13310566
if it doesn't exist today, it wasn't lindy and you shouldn't engage. such is paganism

[Anonymous No.13310615]

>>13310613
Paganism is not an insult anon

[Anonymous No.13310630]

>>13310613
>he thinks it doesn’t exist today
Just because it’s hidden from you does not mean it is gone

[Anonymous No.13310631]

Quite literally, the Greeks are a great source. All of the good ones were pagans. I'll type up a list shortly

[Anonymous No.13310688]

>>13310630
it barely exists on the peripheries of human culture, and is practiced by people who actually have a connection to it, unlike gay trad poasters on a Nigerian jenkem forum
It also has no cultural fitness. It can't survive in complex societies because a. long term survival requires written language, which pagans never really mastered and b. pagan faiths are territorialized, by nature the weakest of any ideological construct. a bishop in 1000 AD Byzantium and a monk in Russia in 1600 AD are communicating the same language, organized similarly, instantly, through a single spiritual intermediary. genius. pagans cannot compete in this way and they never will. There is a reason Christianity survives persecution and hardship and paganism doesn't.

[Anonymous No.13310696]

>>13310566

[Anonymous No.13310720]

Leave Ludwig to me.

[Anonymous No.13310728]

>>13310688
The pantheon receives much worship you don’t see anon

[Anonymous No.13310732]

>>13310696
>indo european = caveman
consider not being retarded?

[Anonymous No.13310740]

>>13310566
All western culture has roots in the Levant, Egypt, India. The Greeks weren't entirely original

[Anonymous No.13310795]

>>13310732
that's not a caveman, just a pomo trad nudist
BIG difference

[Anonymous No.13310797]

I'm going to tell you, go quickly through the early Afro-Asiatics real close, since you have to understand them since they are the start of our civilizational histories.
Basically do a short walk through pic related, while the Hittites are Aryan (if you get angry at me using this word, pick a better one cause Indo-European sounds like shit) the Hittites did adopt a lot of Semitic influence in this period. Which is why it's best to know those influences so you can distinguish what is and isn't Aryan.
-Homer next. He's good stuff through and through, and though a bit boring you will most likely think about it for the rest of your life even if you can't remember all of it.
-No need to read most of the pre-socratics unless you have special interests.
-Platon
-Aristotle
-Anabasis
-Caesar
-Aeneid
-The Metamorphosis (Ovid)
-Posthomerica
-Plotinus
around here is where things start getting weird, cause not only has paganism merged with christianity in the form of gnosticism, but it has in many other forms as well which only grow in size during the crusades. I mainly know about northwest (faustian) europe
-Beowulf
-Prose Edda
-Poetic Edda
-Sagas of Volsungs and Lothbrok
-Nibelungenlied
-Sir Gawain the the Green Knight
The 3 matters in medieval history are chock full of pagan imagery and hidden meanings.
By now we start reaching the point where "neo" paganism starts.
-Goethe
-Schopenhauer
-Nietzsche
-Marinetti
-Robert E. Howard, no joke. Wrote great fiction and himself was the sort of christopagan common in the 20s.
-Jünger (himself a catholic, his early life [before ww2] had a lot more LHP characteristics that every pagan should be interested in contrast to the meditation form of enlightenment)
-Spengler, some damn fine works he's made. This is where you may want to go back to the presocratics as he wrote extensively on Heraclitus)
-Evola (stay out of his political Penology)
-Emil Cioran (beware his depression)
-Stephen Flowers (beware his BDSM)
-Collin Cleary (beware his irishness)

People to NOT READ for religious reasons:
Wagner (Firm Christian)
Guenon (Islamo Catholic)
Varg (Placenta)

Now now, I know I skipped A LOT of people. Do not take this as the end all of paganism, it's just a toe in the waters. Don't read this in order either, you will get bored. Jump around and have fun or you will only resent this.
I'll keep this thread up to answer any questions anon may have

[Anonymous No.13310805]

>>13310740
>muh Egyptian law
go be a kang somewhere else

[Anonymous No.13310830]

>>13310797
I really appreciate this. thanks a ton.

[Anonymous No.13310848]

>>13310797
>Guenon (Islamo Catholic)
someone give me the basic gestalt of this phrase

[Anonymous No.13310856]

>>13310566
Tough one. This chart might help a bit.

[Anonymous No.13310866]

>>13310566
The Orphics are Western Mystics not touched by Abrahamism. Lot of Greek cults like Pythagorus’s too

[Anonymous No.13310883]

>>13310848
Dude was a catholic who converted not to a pagan faith but islam. Sure there may be insights, from one of the viewpoints he has, but it is much better to disregard it completely for something more interesting. Which is ironic cause in his first chapter of his first book he talks about "western bias" when he himself has abrahamic bias

[Anonymous No.13310897]

>>13310883
why did he do that

[Anonymous No.13310933]

>>13310897
He went for the Sufism path, which he viewed as one of the only paths available to modern man that isn't native to the region (literally India).
The man was caught up not in his Brahmanism, which is fine enough, but in his sacerdotality or putting too much importance on rituals over other aspects of tradition

[Anonymous No.13311194]

>>13310797
Thanks senpai

[Anonymous No.13311217]

>>13310797
Why no Corpus Hermeticum or other Hermetic works?

[Anonymous No.13311230]

>>13310609
read about Mithraism I guess, although that itself was a Roman adoption of Persian martial mythology. Maybe look into post-enlightenment pantheistic deism? Sure it grew from Abrahamic roots, but became staunchly opposed to Abrahamic dogmatism and ethics

[Anonymous No.13311239]

>>13311230
meant to quote op my bad

>>13311230
>>13310566

[Anonymous No.13311283]

>>13310566
Can you imagine them going at it? God what I would give to see it.

[Anonymous No.13312007]

>>13310566
Zoroastrianism.
Only the Gathas goes back to Zarathustra, and they date to approximately 800-1100 BCE. I recommend Mary Boyce's translation first. I have heard Piloo Nanavatty's translation is good too.

[Anonymous No.13313550]

>>13311217
I really just forgot about it. I was trying to get the big picture of northern western religiosity in one go, but I do know the Hermeticum was really influential in Meditteranean works so if I made a list for that, I would add it there.