there is not even 1% of the amount of books there should be concerning the largest waste of resources in the history of mankind

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Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:04:01 2019 No.13299630 [Reply] [Original]

there is not even 1% of the amount of books there should be concerning the largest waste of resources in the history of mankind

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:05:39 2019 No.13299637 Americans are spititual bugmen. I love these suburban sprawl pictures because it shows them their ugly selves, and they always seem to try and cope

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:07:26 2019 No.13299640 the issue isn't the waste of land. its the ugliness of it all. there is a ton of land for us to use, we just need to build more beautifully.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!/qKRybJPyoB Fri Jun 14 21:09:06 2019 No.13299649 >>13299637 >Memes. Memes, memes. meme meme. Memes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:11:24 2019 No.13299656 that looks like someone played a city building simulator and optimized it to the point of it being boring

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:14:07 2019 No.13299665 >>13299656 There is almost nothing optimized about that. Even in city builders

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:16:08 2019 No.13299675 >Poor teenagers and college students complaining about homeowners. The grapes aren't nearly as sour as you think.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:16:53 2019 No.13299678 >>13299665 >what are hills there's a reason God stopped you from getting the trips you so desired

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:17:55 2019 No.13299683 File: 113 KB, 666x656, 1491236280628.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299678 >he says so getting constant singles

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:19:15 2019 No.13299688 >>13299675 its funny how every single person who knows the technicalities of suburbs hates them, whereas the people that don't love them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:19:24 2019 No.13299690 File: 34 KB, 461x461, 1550629358128.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299683 >he replies while also getting singles

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:20:25 2019 No.13299694 File: 57 KB, 600x600, 1511462438248.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Commieblocks good >Suburbia bad

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:21:23 2019 No.13299699 File: 11 KB, 248x248, czech.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299690

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:23:09 2019 No.13299709 >>13299699 Damn!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:24:27 2019 No.13299718 >>13299699 I stand corrected, you were the based one all along

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:25:44 2019 No.13299723 >>13299699 Very based

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:38:44 2019 No.13299800 >>13299688 Remain in perpetual servitude to your landlord, peasant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:42:37 2019 No.13299828 >>13299630 It must be allowed to collapse under its own weight. Ted was right about everything, but how can you convince the people alive right now to care about the future? You cant

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:43:55 2019 No.13299838 >>13299800 i don't live in america

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:47:47 2019 No.13299864

Suburbia is unironically the best way of life. In all of human history, there has never been anything comfier. Nobody sharing your roof, nobody stomping above you, your own little bit of lawn, garden, and privacy but without the constant labor required by rural living. Extremely white and safe. Quiet and peaceful.

You can go ahead and live in your tiny overpriced little cuckbox surrounded by diversity and crime, shlepping your groceries up 3 flights of stairs before you finally get to collapse on your ikea couch to watch Netflix like every single other “unique” urban individual. And all because- what- you don’t like the way my neighborhood looks like from the fucking sky?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:50:01 2019 No.13299872 >>13299864 Rural or small town is better in every imaginable way

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:50:35 2019 No.13299876 >>13299637 We did because we could. And why not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:51:53 2019 No.13299885 File: 493 KB, 1879x608, why is suburbia bad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Suburbia is unironically the best way of life. In all of human history, there has never been anything comfier

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:53:38 2019 No.13299895 >>13299864 very burgerpunk post

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:58:10 2019 No.13299926 >>13299885 >Live in crammed slums like rats. It's more efficient to control you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 21:59:44 2019 No.13299939 File: 104 KB, 838x559, detroit-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299926 >live in the suburbs bro, they're superior!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:01:28 2019 No.13299948 >>13299939 What the fuck is going on with that planning. Why would they have a bunch of undeveloped land like that

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:02:16 2019 No.13299952

>>13299630
>mfw born into poverty
>mfw debt
>mfw living with mom in the city
>mfw I just want out
I've tried running away, I've tried making money, I've enjoying myself. I just can't figure out how to escape the feeling of imprisonment. Being a midwit is literally torture

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:05:57 2019 No.13299965

I studied economics. I'm fully willing to accept the benefits of density and the waste of resources that is suburban sprawl. I know full well that the behavior of NIMBYs is patently rent-seeking and often racist.

I also fully understand the visceral distaste people have at suburbs such as OP pic. They do represent a particular type of commodification and conformism. Fair enough.

But nothing will ever convince me that they're not a great place to live, on a very fundamental level. My suburb had a bit more trees than that one and it was a bit less mass-produced, though in all honesty, I'd be fine with living in OP pic. A street where all the kids play, houses that are large and offer you plenty of room to be a family, raise children, and play in the backyard. It's idyllic, not dystopian.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:06:28 2019 No.13299967 >>13299926 Phinney ridge is not slums lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:08:10 2019 No.13299972 >>13299885 Also, understated factor: density creates smelliness. Unless you're literally Japanese, a lot of people in a small area will make any place dirty and smelly. And moreover, blacks can more easily inhabit the neighborhood and harass you

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:10:54 2019 No.13299983 >>13299972 >I'd rather live in a shitty, disorganized, hellish suburb than be "harassed" (read: if one so much as looks at me, I'm going to cry harassment) by a black person yikes, so much for the "rightists don't like safe spaces"

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:11:30 2019 No.13299985

>>13299864
>the ultimate "white" lifestyle is living scared low-effort existences in some prefab box with 100sqft of lawn
And you wonder why whites are all being left behind or committing suicide. It's also goofy as hell that you make suburban living out to be an exercise in individuality, but I guess we all gotta find a way to cope with our inadequacy and I'm glad you found yours.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:14:34 2019 No.13300000 >>13299983 Not him, but there are literally roving gangs of urban youths that come into my apartment building to smoke blunts and knock on random doors trying to do whatever the fuck they're trying to do. Niggers are a fucking plague.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:18:48 2019 No.13300021 >>13300000 based schizo anon, nice to see him get some quints for once :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:21:01 2019 No.13300032 >>13300000 there he is

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:22:36 2019 No.13300040 >>13300021 >>13300032 Not schizo, it's just summer in Chicago.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:23:54 2019 No.13300044 >>13299983 White leftists completely segregrate themselves from black people in their choice of homes and where they send their kids to school. If they had to actually live in a ghetto they'd drop their sanctimony in about a month.

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:25:04 2019 No.13300049

>>13299926
Do you really think controlling the suburbs isn't easy? You cut a few supply lines and the whole neighborhood is kill. I mean, I can understand someone defending rural life or small towns, but suburbs whose only purpose is to serve as a dormitory because you work and do shit in the city is pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:26:11 2019 No.13300056 >>13299637 >waaaah i wanna live in a yurt and eat mammy creampie

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:27:12 2019 No.13300060 >>13299965 There is nothing idyllic about a mass manufactured piece of cookie cutter land where boring assholes sleep and fuck. Nothing. Zoning laws kill suburbs, they're just awful.

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:29:36 2019 No.13300069

>>13300044
>If they had to actually live in a ghetto they'd
become fully communist as they would see the full extent of how this society treats poor people
joking aside, I have white family who have lived in mixed urban ghettos and end up extremely anti-racist, so I guess you're just projecting anyway

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:30:18 2019 No.13300073

>>13299965
Suburbs are a lot denser than people think. It's the highest density NPCs are willing to accept because they get their lawn and some semblance of privacy.

I agree with the NIMBY problem. But it seems like with boomers on the way out we are starting to see "in-fill" projects that basically turn parking lots into habitable space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:31:13 2019 No.13300078 >>13300069 Do those antiracists live in a white area now by any chance?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:33:18 2019 No.13300089 >>13300078 nope, aunt is married to a black guy, lives in a middle class mixed neighborhood, and has had several mudbabies :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:34:05 2019 No.13300091 >>13300060 I want to have a BBQ and play road hockey

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:34:24 2019 No.13300092 >>13300089 Very BP

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:35:31 2019 No.13300099

>>13299864
Why do you act like suburbanites have much more fulfilling lives that don't involve netflix on the couch? Almost everyone I know has spent some periods of their lives in suburbs and some in cities/rural areas, and without a single exception they were all happier and more active in every way when they weren't stuck in the suburbs
Fractally-arranged streets without anything but other housing developments for miles (and nothing but strip malls beyond that) is absolutely miserable, I'm literally typing this from a place like that right now

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:36:04 2019 No.13300101

>>13300069
You have to be a retard to be some kind of milquetoast liberal anyway, so going full commie about muh poor black people after a taste of living with them (and subsequently moving as far away as possible) is probably exactly what they'd do. Go ahead and enlighten us though because I just see a bunch of people who revel in their ignorance, look for the easiest way to survive, subsequently squander it, then make life hell for anyone who doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:36:10 2019 No.13300102 >>13300089 >aunt is married to a black guy, well that would explain it. The majority of people who live around blacks end up disliking them, as shown by the fact that they all leave and the area becomes majority black

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:38:28 2019 No.13300109 >>13300092 >BP the oil company? >>13300101 >not realizing that everything he just said legitimizes the conversion of liberals to communism >>13300102 she doesn't hate them though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:40:03 2019 No.13300115 Anyone else not from a surburb but think it looks comfy and orderly?

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:45:22 2019 No.13300130

>>13300109
>>not realizing that everything he just said legitimizes the conversion of liberals to communism
It only shows that their problems are mostly their own doing and that they'll squander every effort to improve themselves or their communities. It'd be a much better use of our tragically limited resources to further elevate people with the ability to use it and stomp the lumpenproles into the pavement like rats. Not really communist unless by communism you mean stalinism with a little racist flair.

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:49:12 2019 No.13300140
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Honestly i think that everyone claiming that suburbs are good has never lived in a small town, which is obviously the based option. It has all the "pros" of suburbs
>comfyness
>not multicultural
>trees
But with the pros of a real city such as
>actually having infrastructure
>orderly fashion on the floor plan
Anyone who hasn't tried living in a high rent small town is actually missing out on the best shit there is

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:49:25 2019 No.13300141 >>13300130 >Stalinism with a little racist flair so just Stalinism?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:52:53 2019 No.13300150 >>13300140 All the small towns in my area are either poor filled drug havens or seaside towns full of retired boomers

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:54:31 2019 No.13300155 >>13299972 >Unless you're literally Japanese, a lot of people in a small area will make any place dirty and smelly. My Jap neighbor was a hoarder with a stack of shit 5 feet high in his apartment and all kinds of old garbage outside his door.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:55:01 2019 No.13300160 >>13299895 nice to see burgerpunk catching on

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 22:58:37 2019 No.13300180 >>13300141 Yeah, sure. Though you'd have to be a special kind of moron to support stalinism as any sort of alternative to capitalism aside from it being cool that lots of people would die.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:01:42 2019 No.13300186 >>13300109 Burgerpunk

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:02:11 2019 No.13300187

>>13299630
>>13299640
But what about all the other things that live on the land with us? That are being pushed aside, mowed over and bulldozed for the sake of the American dream!
Beauty is inexorably tied to the diversity and abundance of life on Earth, including the diversity and abundance of 'inanimate' objecs
We evolved to live in diverse ecological communities and so did our sense of beauty. The aesthetic distancing conceptualized by the Greeks obfuscates that. our home is being excavated for these monstrosities. It's not the waste of resources, or the ugliness that makes these places so miserable. It's the spiritual homelessness of it all, it's not autochthonous. That's an alien earthscape. Homelessness is the root of all that tragedy.

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:03:56 2019 No.13300192

>>13299637
I think while this is true, you can also see it as whole cities desiccated to a crisp, waiting for the slightest spark. It's also true that it's never been easier to compel people away from the worst of our habits and towards something better. The trouble with the measure of how unsustainable our lifestyle has become is where is your foothold? Where do you hold on to while you scuttle the rest? Are you permitted any kind of triage?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:05:12 2019 No.13300198 >>13300069 >lived in mixed urban ghettos and end up extremely anti-racist Yeah, you people always say this, but the south is also the most racist part of America and has the most black people. Fuck your anecdotes retards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:15:16 2019 No.13300244 >>13300198 The south is also the poorest educated region in America and by far has the most racist history Fuck your foolish correlation retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:19:27 2019 No.13300255 >>13299800 How's that mortgage treating you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:21:14 2019 No.13300262 >>13299948 That's detroit. The empty land you see there used to be filled with blighted, abandoned houses which were torn down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:23:35 2019 No.13300273 >>13299965 Suburban-style homes and lots don't bother me at all, provided that there are sidewalks and a street grid so that you aren't absolutely dependent upon your car working.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:29:46 2019 No.13300292 >>13300150 Thats the american dream for you brother

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:38:39 2019 No.13300318 >>13300198 I live in the south, dumbass

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 23:58:36 2019 No.13300382 >>13299864 >suburbs are white lol want to know how i know you don't live in a suburb

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:00:04 2019 No.13300386 >>13299926 what is an HOA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:01:17 2019 No.13300393 >>13299630 this style of exurb is the most fully realized form of virtual reality currently available

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:09:22 2019 No.13300425 >>13299872 yeah but you cant live in a rural area in a fuckin city can you? hence sub-urb. Its for city living people not to suffer standard commieblock apartment complexes.

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Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:25:01 2019 No.13300468

>>13299985
Are you implying that people in cities inherently live a life of exertion, that living in a city is a badge of honor and that by virtue of living in a city one is necessarily contributing anything at all? Also, living in a suburb doesn't mean people one doesn't commute to a city.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:27:46 2019 No.13300474 >>13300244 >you have to be taught by government institutions not to act like a nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:31:03 2019 No.13300485 >>13300069 You're making the baseless assumption that limousine liberals are actually principled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:33:02 2019 No.13300495 >>13300000 lolwut lived in a black neighborhood in a black city all my life and never had anything like this happen. worst is usually groups of kids just yelling and being obnoxious but kids of all races do that

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 00:33:50 2019 No.13300496

>>13300468
Never implied any of that, and I hate cities probably more passionately than anyone else ITT. I just think suburbanites are the most brainless pussies on the planet and that anon's smug sense of superiority annoyed me because even if he was just baiting, that's how suburbaniggers think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 01:30:53 2019 No.13300705 >>13299965 ASS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 01:31:59 2019 No.13300711 https://youtu.be/lfy9ZqKUJjU

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 01:32:12 2019 No.13300713 >>13299985 you fucking niggers actually like crime?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 01:42:39 2019 No.13300741 >>13299952 Join the military, no joke. You’ll get a sense of camaraderie while also getting out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 01:51:28 2019 No.13300759 >>13300318 Are you disagreeing that the south is racist

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 02:00:18 2019 No.13300774 File: 96 KB, 890x656, 1560294641753.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299864 I moved to a suburb after living in NYC. Never wanted to kill myself as much as I do now. Sage goes in all fields, and I believe the suburbs must be destroyed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 02:01:28 2019 No.13300776 >>13299630 >largest waste of resources in the history of mankind Would be the meat industry. It’s the main reason we’re losing the amazon.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:11:48 2019 No.13301292
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>>13299630
here's a good start senpai

***Books:
The High Cost of Free Parking by Donald Shoup
>https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free-Parking-Updated/dp/193236496X
Order Without Design by Alain Bertaud
>https://www.amazon.com/Order-without-Design-Markets-Cities/dp/0262038765
Zoning Rules!: The Economics of Land Use Regulation by William Fischel
>https://www.amazon.com/Zoning-Rules-Economics-Land-Regulation/dp/155844288X

***Articles & Blogs
Strong Towns Introduction
>https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/7/27/a-strong-towns-crash-course
Traditional City Primer
>http://www.andrewalexanderprice.com/blog20131204.php
Granola Shotgun
>https://granolashotgun.com/2016/08/31/a-thousand-hidden-subsidies/
SF Housing Primer by Kim-Mai Cutler
>https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
The immaculate conception theory of your neighborhood’s origins By Daniel Hertz
>http://cityobservatory.org/the-immaculate-conception-theory-of-your-neighborhoods-origins/

***Videos:
Incremental Development
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcmzF8zn5FE
Systematic Safety
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNtsWvNYKE&feature=youtu.be
The STROAD
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6jFnOnjzrk
SIDtv playlist
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI7HhZc-h_M&list=PL081769910C63DB75

***Podcasts:

***Twitter accounts:
@wrathofgnon
>https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon/status/883181352933236736
@devonzuegel
>https://twitter.com/devonzuegel/status/1060381939058728963
@380kmh
>https://twitter.com/380kmh

***Academic:
Should Law Subsidize Driving?
>https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3345366

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:21:00 2019 No.13301310 small town > rural > suburb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>city

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:24:55 2019 No.13301326 >>13299965 >But nothing will ever convince me that they're not a great place to live they're good places to live, not great places

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:25:52 2019 No.13301332 It's because libraries kill the incentive to produce literature since the lower potential profit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:34:58 2019 No.13301356 >>13299972 >>13300155 I am not Japanese but my wife is and I live in Japan and people are the same everywhere, just different skin tones and languages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:52:57 2019 No.13301420 >>13299630 In which part of murrica is this hellhole?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 05:59:12 2019 No.13301438 >>13301420 Gonna guess texas

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 06:02:47 2019 No.13301447

>>13299637
>cope
Fitting that you end your post with what it began as, even before you typed a word. Try to run from it, if you have the stomach, even Baudrillard couldn't escape it. It's either already there or it's coming, frog, and the difference is the same in the end.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 06:06:18 2019 No.13301459

I find the constant spamming of these threads quite odd
I mean where on 4chan a place that is suppose to be contrarian yet I cannot think of something more conformist than shitting on the surburban lifestyle.
Literally all the Literature and the Cinema of these 30 last years as been totally shitting on this lifestyle

My personnal opinion is that the average age of the /lit/ poster is around 17 and this is a kind of teenage rebellion because it's clear that most /lit/ poster grew up in such an environment

Now what I find quite sad about it it's that a lot will live the modern "hipster" lifestyle once they will go to uni.
And this lifestyle need to be criticized all these community garden, pale ale bar, living in an overpriced appartment in the downtown of a city, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 06:41:54 2019 No.13301543 >>13301459 there's literally nothing appealing in living in a cloned paperthin box in a cramped neighborhood without any servicies in walking range. You must be a boomer with a huge ass mortgage in one of those shitholes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 06:45:52 2019 No.13301554 File: 57 KB, 750x1000, flat,750x1000,075,t.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299864 >Suburbia and ridding my obesecycle to walmart is unironically the best way of life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 06:57:36 2019 No.13301584 >>13299864 Fuck off /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 07:04:03 2019 No.13301601 This is a bigger problem in stupid cronycon states and with "frontiersmen" in the West. The real US is restricted to the original northern colonies since the South is a disowned bastard child.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 07:09:28 2019 No.13301612 >>13300434 They have more freedumb than people in other places. They only have to muster their wits when white slave raiders come along.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 08:58:55 2019 No.13301873

>>13299864
>Suburbia is unironically the best way of life.

Suburbia is literally all the flaws of city life (still a noisy, crowded human anthill) with none of the benefits (easy access to work and culture). But I guess those cowardly enough to surrender their cities to niggers deserve nothing better.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 09:23:09 2019 No.13301915

>>13301543
>>13299630
>>13299637
The suburbs have always existed, they are a characteristic of cities, specifically growing cities that must push out from their central crowded cores. Sure, they are not the exurban idyllic agri-community with plaid milk trucks pulling red flyers of similarly plaid-wearing spawn, nor are they the compersion-centric hipsterite sublet hives, cells and pods, modular expendibility, permanently obsolescent. I need a place for my kids to run around, to play, to practice, a place to for my guns, my canarios and my container gardens. I very much like the network of sidewalks and roads and the nearby expressway entrance and exit ramps are also highly appreciated, ferrying me in a zip to wherever I'd like to go. What poverty the ambulant or bike-carried urbanite, a life of restriction, of self-imposed geographical ignorance, of high-minded sterility. There must be radically more trees and our food systems must be more localized and, yes, all this depends upon energy and specifically combustible fuels remaining cheap, which is the case for me in my country in the New World. Here we are eccentric and make no sense to those outside and that is ok. We have resources and riches here that infect us, drive us to a strangeness that is unseemly, uncouth to the European or the Asian, who also have suburbs too, one should point out, and they live "happy" lives in them in spite of how controversial such a thing might be to some. In America, the Suburbs provide large plots of land, things you can play with over the course of several years, building something, learning all the hallowed arts of building a home, repairing, upgrading, maybe even, a most suburban thing here, selling your creation to a windfall profit, receiving a cashiers check from the universe as if your virtue itself was affirmed by the economy. But mostly its about making the wife happy with how she'd like to live and wherever your home may be is immaterial to much of your work as a male, and creating in your house a domestic sanctuary, some place special and removed from the profane horrible world that constantly seeks to impose itself upon you, the anti-suburban vanguard carrying much of the munitions for these recent barrages, and I get the jealousy, the envy, the materialist want. All I'd answer is some people have less than you think. For some, it's just that house. That's how they're holding on, they're highest order achievement, that's where the money goes, across generations, pruning, fixing, tweaking, keeping things powered and kids dressed and fed and on their itineraries to and from that home. All orbits this space you create and the suburbs suit it by removing you also from much of the worst of some cities: gang reprisal shootings, public drunkenness, public indecency, public eliminations, all types of profanity. I can keep those at bay secure in my castle and focus only on the wee ones and the wife largely because of the designs of that suburban home.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 09:24:59 2019 No.13301919

>>13301873
"easy access to work and culture"
there is none. Not for anyone with appreciable appetites and taste. For that, you must be willing to go, to traverse great distance and endure no small inconvenience. What is near you is always the easy and known thing. To seek novelty, you will always have to travel. Do better to not reveal your absent experience, channel your youth to something beyond these sour feelings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 09:28:24 2019 No.13301926 >>13299630 Cagers must perish. These abominations would not exist without cage infrx subsidies off the backs of responsible working americans living in walkable/transit-connected areas and not being human cancer.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 09:46:38 2019 No.13301984

>>13301926
Listen to this insect rage at free people freely associating. What a petty conceit, seeing the patterns of suburban construction and becoming enraged by the geometry, wildly speculating upon the very virtues, the essences of those who chose to dwell there. What a pointless exercise in cultural superiority, regarding your fellow citizens living in a different place as somehow more sinful, more wasteful, more modern. Who could ever take you or anyone aligned with you seriously? What a state of utter poverty and decrepitude. To the idiot is "human cancer" but to the visionary, to the man who puts his heart into his era, it is his sisters and brothers, the newcomers, whole boat fulls, batches and cohorts of new Americans, Levantine, Sahelian, Southern American even. Our continent haunts while the world lurks, drawing the daring to it. We host many of them in the cheap constructions of suburbs, complete with sparkling new schools, hospitals and a big box store. Those are the frontier outposts for our civilizational build-out. And yes, we displace turtles and squirrels and pollute, worse even than humans of the past have, who were no saints in the garbage machine department. But we displace wherever we settle. The requisite tasks are to rebuild nature elsewhere, where it is feasible, and strengthen there the nature we depend upon. Restricting ourselves and letting the wilds simmer and burble while we starve is not an option for anyone, even if your betters propose it to you as a lifestyle you could start anytime you're feeling down about being alive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 10:15:00 2019 No.13302095 >>13301926 > RRREEEEEeeeeee cagies!! At least cagies sometimes obey the law. Manbunned fudgepacker bicyclists run red lights and piss off pedestrians by darting into sidewalks when they feel like it.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 10:43:42 2019 No.13302221

so where is this wave of justed asshurt coming from? a suburb is a baby city. all major cities today used to be suburbs. the reason suburbs are ever growing rather than there being more cities is because of urbanization is too fast for humane culture. did some of you city slickers get forced out by your high rents and now live in the suburbs? or is there a european think tank getting packed by burgerpunk dick somewhere larping as literary revolutionaries by posting on an eritrean coffee bean farm?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 11:30:00 2019 No.13302404 >>13299965 >and often racist. what's wrong with that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 11:42:52 2019 No.13302452 File: 66 KB, 800x437, a1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299630 take the rural pill >b-but I have to drive an hour to work! still worth it, or just get a different job

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 11:45:02 2019 No.13302463 >>13299864 You're fucking stupid. Suburbia is like the dollar store of urbia. SUB of URB, SUBURB.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 11:45:49 2019 No.13302468 >>13302221 This is just blatantly incorrect If you don't know how cities and suburbs come to be, don't start posting your retarded shit in a thread where plenty of people have posted information where you can read up on them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 11:53:11 2019 No.13302508 >>13302468 prove it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 12:17:26 2019 No.13302617 >>13302463 Um, classist much, Ms. Dunham?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 12:59:09 2019 No.13302778 >>13299630 How can anyone live here and think they are free.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:11:19 2019 No.13302829 >>13301984 t. Randian maniac

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:11:22 2019 No.13302830
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>>13299939
>>13299948
Idk but it actually looks really nice

>>13299630
>>13299694
>>13299688
>>13299800
I posted it here before, but I'll say it again: if you're an American and you visit the Pacific Northwest, specifically Washington state, you'll see that there are pretty much no suburbs and the city of Seattle doesn't really have any "ghettos". Certainly some areas that are impoverished and not maintained quite as well, but there's almost no violent crime and there aren't any open air drug markets or drug dealers loitering at gas stations or anything like that. Then when you leave the city, there are some less densely populated areas, but you don't see tract housing and cul-de-sac. Actually most of the apartment complexes (and there aren't many of them) as well as other building look like they were built withing the last 10-15 years by actualy architects (which may or may not be the case, but that's how they look). It's all really modern and "quirky" looking. Sometimes it gets boring because you see a lot of the sleek 20th century "modern" Ikea style design and architecture, but it can be really nice.

Pic related is what I mean. Not even a lot, but literally most buildings in Seattle look like that, which was really weird to me when I first moved here. There also aren't really any big apartment complexes, even in Seattle proper. There are some, but they're mostly these new, hip, trendy studios and it's usually just one or two apartment buildings. There aren't really any big "apartment complexes" with like 10+ buildings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:11:33 2019 No.13302833 >>13302778 What can't you do, Anon? Are good things bound to be easy ever?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:15:49 2019 No.13302848 >>13302829 You wish you could so easily taxonomize a random funposter on a Nabataean Bauble Pow-wow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:18:58 2019 No.13302863 >>13302778 why can't someone be free and live there? Does freedom really has to do something with where you live? (maybe if you live in north korea but you get my point)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:19:41 2019 No.13302868 >>13302830 shh.. dont break the propaganda. they might shitpost and spam harder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:20:01 2019 No.13302872 >>13302830 i thought this was a minecraft screenshot

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:21:58 2019 No.13302882 >>13299939 Thought ought to turn Detroit into something like the forest meets the city. There is a ton of vacant lots that could just be used as parks

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:29:44 2019 No.13302920
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>>13302868
>>13302872
Yeah it's kinda strange. Just google Seattle Architecture if you're curious. Our entire city looks like this. What I don't understand is how they can afford it because usually you'd have to pay an architect to actually custom design the building if you wanted to get a small, unique, modern looking house like that, but that can easily cost a minimum of 5 figures possibly 6, so I don't know how they've figured these things out. I kinda miss old brick building though, but if they're not well maintain these are certainly prettier.

Pic related is also in Seattle. It was a pizza parlor down the street from where I used to live.

https://crosscut.com/2018/08/why-do-so-many-new-apartment-buildings-seattle-look-same

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:32:17 2019 No.13302934 >>13301310 t. someone who has no appreciation for the local music and cultural scenes present in many cities

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:45:20 2019 No.13303016 >>13302920 theres a new movement of cheap material designs that look like expensive modernist european style. dont tell anyone though, they might lose their obsession of burgerland.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:47:18 2019 No.13303034 >>13302830 Sammamish, Yarrow Point, Redmond, Bellevue, etc all suburbs like OP pic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:47:29 2019 No.13303037 >>13302830 Not Seattle but what about Tacoma? https://youtu.be/lvkCs7jVHUc https://youtu.be/kp2VzqjM3iU

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:49:59 2019 No.13303059 >>13299965 >I studied economics. stopped reading

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 13:50:21 2019 No.13303064 >>13299864 The absolute state of mutts.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:09:11 2019 No.13303161

>>13303034
Definitely not Redmond, Sammamish, or Bellevue bro. Pic related is not something you'd find in one of these suburban bedroom Yarrow Point, but the other three are high end suburbs where they have high end custom built houses, acreage, waterfront access, and local shopping.

I've traveled and lived all over the US, and you really don't tend to see full blown soulless suburban tract housing in the Seattle metro area. The worst areas for it are probably the California/southwest and the midwest. The East coast has a decent amount, but not too much since a lot of our neighborhoods are older. Also Seattle never got into the modular housing development phase in the 2000s, so you don't see a lot of that. That's sort of the worst contender when we're talking about suburbia: literally miles of land cleared out, no gardens or trees planted, no way to walk anywhere, and literally all of the houses constructed according to the same design, built in factories, and assembled on site.

Bellevue and Redmond, are again high end multi-million dollar suburbs that usually provide resident easy access to country clubs, marinas, and community waterfront access. The sort of suburban tract housing we're talking about usually caters to working class/lower middle class types that haven't really been exposed to the cultural beauty of a city or the recreational opportunities offered by the countryside.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:10:25 2019 No.13303166

>>13303161
*Pic related is not something you'd find in one of these suburban bedroom communities. I've never been to Yarrow Point, but the other three are high end suburbs where they have high end custom built houses, acreage, waterfront access, and local shopping.

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Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:18:22 2019 No.13303217
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>>13302830
Except now all we got homeless drug addicts in nearly ever neighboring city of Seattle. This city is so fucking liberal, it’s turned into San Fran Jr. I literally saw, some drugged out white guy shooting up heroin at a bus stop next to a mom and her little toddler. This also doesn’t mention the fact that this city has seen an increase in gun related crimes. We’ve had the most murders this year in than in any other year this past decade. I feel like you don’t look around the city enough, or you’re one of these new transplants that have come here working corporate for all the big companies that are headquartered here. This city has gone to shit, and any native Seattlelite would tell you the same. Shit, KOMO4 did a documentary on this, here’s the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw please, I implore anyone who comes across this dudes post to watch this documentary.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:43:34 2019 No.13303325

>>13303217
>>13303217
No, I've lived here for awhile. Not to sound rude, but you just genuinely don't have any idea what other cities are like. I've lived and spent a lot of time in cities including Detroit and Baltimore, as well as Chicago, Philidelphia, and DC. Btw if you're curious I've been in the Seattle area for about a year and have lived in UDstrict and Shoreline during that time.

It's not like I'm "sheltered" or unaware of the realities or I haven't "explored" the area. I've actually been to some of the most dangerous cities not just in the US but in the world, and I have a ton of experience knowing what to look for when it come to things like crime, government corruption, and socioeconomics. Seattle just doesn't compare bro. It's a city of middle class white kids with purple hair and tattoo. Of course that trivializes the matter, but I worked in one of the "dangerous" neighborhood in Seattle for awhile just outside of Georgetown, and I also worked in Penn-north in Baltimore, which was the epicenter of the Freddie Grey rritos. Now in a city like Baltimore or Detroit as a west coaster, the first thing you'll notice is that you're a minority. Over 70% of people will be black and you will be one of the few white people unless you are literally downtown in the financial district or at a mall or something.

You'll also see (or rather you wont, unless your a drug addict, gang member, or you work in such areas but anyway. . .) open air drug markets. These literally do not exist in Seattle. In the worst American cities like Detroit and Baltimore (and Latin American) you have what are called open air drug markets. These are literally areas where people openly sell crack, heroin, and other contraband and the police essentially have no control in that area anymore. There are also literally convenience store in Detroit that basically function as a front for selling drug: you walk in and can by everything from cigarettes and weed to heroin. Again, not in Seattle. Also Seattle had around 40 homicide last year with a population of 700k. Detroit had 200 with a population of are 600k. Chicago had around 800 with a poulation of 3 million. Baltimore had nearly 400 with a population of 600k.

Also, I'm not a poltard or a racist, but as a white person, you definitely would feel uncomfortable walking around a lot of Chicago or Baltimore neighborhoods. There are definitely area where you will stick out and people will say/yell shit to you just for being in the neighborhood. Also you'd probably get robbed, especially if you look like an out of place white person and you nervous because Seattle and San Francisco are the two worst cities you've ever been in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:45:10 2019 No.13303336 >>13301292 thank you for you post, anon. It looks very interesting, saved it for later use

>>	TSJ !ujoY1xUXb. Sat Jun 15 14:47:19 2019 No.13303346 >>13303215 How about a non-beige roof

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:50:20 2019 No.13303359 >suburban What a compromise. You're either in the mix or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 14:50:22 2019 No.13303360 File: 169 KB, 1033x679, Deano.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What books and ideology do Deano and the lads prescribe too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 15:11:18 2019 No.13303443 File: 523 KB, 650x365, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13300073 >real thinkers like me don't care about personal space and privacy >we love to spend our time constantly interfacing with the creative individuals around us

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 15:13:05 2019 No.13303451 >>13299864 fuck you my couch is structube and i watch amazon prime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 15:18:02 2019 No.13303472 File: 152 KB, 911x944, Pugin-Contrasts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just imagine how he'd feel about Suburbia.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 15:41:07 2019 No.13303608

>>13299864
I like being able to walk to get coffee, groceries, weed etc. I also like walking in the woods, especially along a creek or waterway. Neither of which can be done in the suburbs. Small, old towns are good for this. New England has a lot of historic small cities/large towns that aren't crowded with modular housing, and offer you some of the nice features of both rural and urban environment. Too bad I don't live in New England (I think central Europe is like this too, but I wouldn't know).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 15:41:14 2019 No.13303609 File: 444 KB, 1080x792, Screenshot_20190615-150209_Bromite.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13300186 When I see that word, I think of this.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 16:03:07 2019 No.13303738

>>13299864

Overall wrong but somewhat close to the truth
Homesteading is the "right" way to live if you're goal is overall human fulfillment and contentedness
Suburbia is just a capitalist/globalist perversion of this way of life but as such it retains some of the benefits

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 16:14:34 2019 No.13303786 >>13303608 You just drive to those things. Driving is inherently pleasurable although it requires a cultivated mindset.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 16:21:44 2019 No.13303840 >>13300187 this. industrial civilization and technological progress are incompatible with WILDERNESS. Read Kaczynski.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 16:28:00 2019 No.13303871
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>>13303786
Or I can just save money and walk to those things. It's also really inconvenient if I have friends visiting or something. A lot of time we'll have a few drinks and then walk to get fast food or got to the park. This is not so easy in the suburbs. Again I would love a small town. Pic related is exactly what I'm talking about, and is located not far from where I grew up. Like I said, I think they have a lot of this in New England, although pic related is the mid-Atlantic.

There are many shops and stores with easy access, and these small towns often attract a more educated and affluent population than more non-descript rural areas (especially if they're known for historical or cultural attraction). In a lot of these small towns, if you live near literal Main st. you can usually walk less than 5 minutes to a handful of shops, restaurants, and grocers while also being walking distance from trail, trees, woods, and farms.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 16:45:29 2019 No.13303956

>>13303871
You're not wrong, I agree that perhaps there's a more graceful flow and an ease to more densely urban living or else the idealized small town that's good but not quite "discovered" yet, but I think this thread imposes this idea that the form of your domicile or community conditions you inevitably to a certain lifestyle and I really resist this. There's many ways to live in this country and I've had to adapt to several, so I see adaptation as a sharpening agent, something that forces you somewhere, usually to knew knowledge and mastery. I truly have never found anywhere that is quite ideal. Crowds can be energizing and exhausting. The countryside can be serene and stupid. Your New England sounds beautiful and you're not the first to sing its praises. You should be quiet in all honesty less it be found out by the hordes, the rabble. But for me, I would eventually exhaust that street's worth of shops, and even a large city will eventually bore me, personally, having known its various restaurant genres, artistic and entertainment offerings, its architectural details, its red light districts and sporting areas, I enjoy them all, but I also love the drive out of all of that, fleeing it at high romantic speed, atop a magnificently engineered machine, a marvel as literal as that word could ever apply same as an aircraft. I could turn it around at any time and head back into the city and have done this, driven aimlessly, patiently, without nervousness or urgency, just for the pleasure of merging, gliding, accelerating, passing, changing lanes, acquiring again and again a type of situational bliss by checking all mirrors, noting all situations, responding to all variables, being in graceful harmony with all the other drives as best as we all can, being polite, being patient with others having a bad day, endangering no one, enjoying the weather, doing all of this while enjoying controversially good coffee or kombucha or boba or some lavish fruit drink, a whole heirloom watermelon ground up and placed in a cup with a high guage straw for rapid ingestion of your fruit drugs, I think this is a pleasure nearly better than any destination. Much like scuba diving or sky diving, if you enjoy driving, there's a whole world open to you and it's quite exhilarating.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:16:05 2019 No.13304107 >>13303956 Stop posting these massive walls of text, they aren't nearly as good as you think they are when you write them Your prose sucks, something about the rhythm of it just screams "I am trying very hard to be literary but can't actually write"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:19:04 2019 No.13304115 >>13304107 >dont effortpost go fuck yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:41:08 2019 No.13304226 >>13303217 What a corny mouthpiece that ticks all the boxes for all the well-worn neoconservatist scaremongering themes, from none other than an msm outlet. No real solutions, just pointless finger pointing as part of a wider political effort.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:51:19 2019 No.13304276

>>13303217
Bro, this post is retarded. Have you ever been to an east coast city? They literally have average crime rates that are like 5 times higher than on the west coast (and if you cherry pick the extremes you can even find cities where its 10-20 times higher than most of the west coast). Things might be getting worse, but that doesn't mean its bad.

Shit, Sweeden has seen like a 400+% increase in the rates of certain violent crimes, and they still have way lower rates than most of the US. I mean that's just basic calculus/statistics. You can't just look at the rate of increase in crime, you have to look at the whole scenario. Seattle is still an extremely safe city, especially considering places like Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore are literally more dangerous than places like Baghdad and Syria right now. Just look it up. The only place in the entire world that compare to Baltimore and Detroit in terms of violent crime are Latin American cities like Juarez, Sao Paolo, and Tijuana.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:53:33 2019 No.13304287 >>13302934 lol, hope you don't get shot by some criminals while you are experiencing "culture".

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:56:07 2019 No.13304303

>>13300099
absolutely based and deserving those digits. suburbs are just a giant plywood shack of misery where the parents watch different televisions in separate rooms while the kids do drugs and whore themselves on instagram. i've never met a suburbanite who had a fulfilling, interesting life. they go to work, go home, and watch television. on the weekends they watch television. they even watch television on vacation (you'll notice every hotel/motel has a television.) and why wouldn't they? because they're lazy, intellectually stunted ratpeople. they go out their door and it's a hellscape with an hour drive to anything that isn't a cookie cutter fucking mcmansion with a bunch of other humanoid sloth incarnations dwelling in it like miserable wretches scrooge mcduck would tell to lighten the fuck up.

imagine every time you go outside to do absolutely anything, it has to be prefaced with an hour cardrive on an interstate. that's life in suburbia.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 17:57:53 2019 No.13304307

>>13300140
I have nothing against this. I prefer the biggest cities possible, but realise not everyone does. the other way to go is the small town built in oldworld fashion. suburbs try for the "convenience" of a big city with the "privacy" of a small town and fail spectacularly at both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:01:25 2019 No.13304325 >>13300776 >humans have been eating meat since cro magnons >only just becomes a problem now meat isnt' the problem. it's providing meat to 8 billion gaping mouths, 7.5 billion of whom are completely fucking worthless and have an iq under 80.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:03:49 2019 No.13304339 >>13300713 >not doing crime What are, a sheep?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:09:23 2019 No.13304382 >>13301873 absolutely based >>13302095 NPCs FEAR the cyclist chad >>13301984 suburbs burn through my tax dollars like niggas at the club making it rain no taxation without representation. i want trains--the thinking man's transit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:10:48 2019 No.13304393 >>13302830 that's just an individual unit carved out of those nu-apartment blocks. at least there it's excusable because they're not paying half a million for the privilege of living in a shipping container.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:11:49 2019 No.13304400 small towns can be lively and a breath of fresh air, but they can also be rotting hellholes dominated by a single Walmart. it's really a mixed bag

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:21:29 2019 No.13304448
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>>13302848
>Nabataean
my nigger i'm surprised other people know about them. pre islamic arabia was beyond based. shame about the muslim thing.
>>13302920
most new construction nationwide looks like this.
>>13303325
you're alright. i'm moving to seattle soon. how is first hill? seattle is the chillest place i've ever been. south s is a shithole but that's all the burban nowhere so who cares. seattle proper is basically just white kids and chinese kids walking around wandering between bookstores and starbucks. even the cagers there are pretty chill and stop to let you cross the street.
>>13303786
>Driving is inherently pleasurable
you're an npc

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:26:06 2019 No.13304461

>>13304303
I grew up in what I would call the suburbs but in a small English market town. Ten minute walk one way was the beautiful medieval centre. Ten minutes the other way, open green countryside rolling hills and farmland. It never occurred to me that American suburban life was miserable. I feel bad for you guys. Is there nothing cosy about it at all?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 18:40:41 2019 No.13304546 >>13304461 >10 minute walk one way you have yet more cookie cutter mcmansions >10 minute walk the other way you have even more cookie cutter mcmansions no. there is not.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 19:10:03 2019 No.13304701

>>13303443
It's not about living as densely as possible, but we can certainly better allocate livingspace so homes are not so expensive. Your pic is an unreasonable extreme caused by a lack of affordable housing. Some ways to solve the problem:

>clearly delineate urban and rural environments. Build city walls.
>repurpose suburbs by relaxing zoning restrictions.
>encourage multi-generational homes

the middle class individualist, consumerist lifestyle is simply not sustainable.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 19:20:50 2019 No.13304759

>>13304461
Depends how close you are to the cities or smaller old towns with history. Generally it would be a 30 min drive to the country side if you live somewhat outside the city. What europeans don't understand is that the U.S. is scattered and a lot of it is rural small towns in between and most of the burgerpunk they talk about are these freeway connected towns you hit while travelling to another city. It takes the same distance to hop a state to travel a different country or two in western europe. This is also why everyone owns a car and drives. The size of Texas for example is the distance from Berlin to Rome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 19:23:50 2019 No.13304774 File: 687 KB, 1200x675, 1556135969959.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >i like driving >i have the freedom to go wherever i want

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 19:49:46 2019 No.13304923 >>13304774 >I like the internet >I have the freedom to go wherever i want

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 20:22:24 2019 No.13305172 >>13304107 Shithead, why would I listen to you? Is there some part of me that gives a shit what you like?

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 20:57:36 2019 No.13305438

>>13304303
The TVs in hotel rooms are for business/single travelers to watch porn. Now they are just there out of inertia.

>>13304448
>first hill, cagers...
Ha. Get a load of this trust fund baby, he sure knows all about the world.

>>13304759
Heh, Kansas City to Boise (nowhere to nowhere with nothing in between) is the same as distance as Berlin to Madrid.

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 21:13:29 2019 No.13305529

>>13304701
life on earth isn't 'sustainable' as long as people keep pumping out more babies than replacement.

and the point was your implication that everyone who lives in a city is not an npc. which is asinine and something an npc loving npc would say. there's nothing npc about being unwilling to sacrifice your comfort for a vast horde of self replicating npcs' sake. in fact that kind of demand is a pretty npc one to make

Anonymous Sat Jun 15 22:09:58 2019 No.13305785

A reason why surburbia sucks besides the geographic aspects are the people. Absolutely shallow and constantly posturing for lack of a better term, petty pta soccer mom homeowner society level of politics, still quite a divide between the ""small local business" owners and bit lower middle class family. Petty gossip, effectively small town socialites.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 22:14:51 2019 No.13305806 >>13305785 you're describing humanity in general. at most the posturing takes a form you find more offensive than displaying the most expensive shoes or being the most self flagellating about your skin color

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 22:35:05 2019 No.13305861 File: 17 KB, 1280x853, 1280px-Flag_of_Japan.svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] makes the west look like a joke

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 22:43:46 2019 No.13305891 >>13305861 I wish I could live in an area where everyone respects their place and other's property like they do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 15 22:45:45 2019 No.13305900 File: 232 KB, 1024x664, Timgad Algeria.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Real Nigga Urban Planning coming through

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 00:32:47 2019 No.13306258

Rather than becoming an NPC suburbanite just buy a few acres in bumfuck nowhere. It'll be cheaper for more land and a bigger house, you'll have much more control over your own property, and studies show that you'll actually know your neighbors more personally and have a significantly greater sense of community comparative to suburban insecToids even if your neighbors are miles away. The suburbs might as well be an anthill

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 01:00:30 2019 No.13306357

>>13304287
Not him but I lived in the rough area of a metropolitan, "diverse" city my entire life and have never had my life, personal property or sense of safety seriously threatened. Most people who are the victims of these things are looking for trouble themselves or are languishing in the same carelessness that will punish them all the same in a rural or suburban area. Muggings and becoming more and more infrequent as the means to rectify the financial damage and punish the perpetrators is becoming more and more efficient. Maybe things are different in the United States but anywhere else in the First World, cities are maintained by state resources to protect against widespread criminality and disorder.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 01:13:01 2019 No.13306391 >>13301356 This nigger literally thinks that cultures don't exist lmao

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 02:12:29 2019 No.13306582

>>13306357
I should have realized this is a european thread. Suburbs are definitely more soulless there. They are pretty soulless in the southwest too, but otherwise the US suburbs are often close to the natural enviornment and houses vary significantly from one another. A midwest suburb, doesn't look the way you think it does.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 04:24:56 2019 No.13306969 >>13299985 the appeal of the suburbs is that dads like it so they can spend time with their children. I guess if you don't have a dad you probably wouldn't get it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 04:31:36 2019 No.13306982 >>13299637 And the irony is you are likely an American

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 04:33:52 2019 No.13306985

>>13300000
>come into my apartment building to smoke blunts and knock on random doors trying to do whatever the fuck they're trying to do
Heavens! Thank goodness I had my smelling salts to hand otherwise I would have fainted at the thought of such depravity

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 13:56:11 2019 No.13308646 >>13303443 Nice homeless shelter

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 13:59:57 2019 No.13308662 I thought most Americans lived in those trailer caravan things

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 14:36:26 2019 No.13308852

>>13305785
A small town is completely different from the suburbs. Small towns have existed probably since antiquity. Suburbs emerged in the first half of the 20th century. Small town life has more in common with both urban and rural life than suburban.

Also see >>13305806

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 14:54:52 2019 No.13308938

>>13304448
I'm aware most new construction looks like this. My point is that literally the entire of Seattle already looks like this. At the same time there are very little of the pre-2008 modular style homes that were really popular in the 90s and 00s just before the recession. Again, I have traveled extensively and have literally spent long stretches of my life (months at a time) living in different cities. Probably somewhere between 15-25 different major cities and towns across the US. I wouldn't be stating something so trivial and obvious as the fact that most construction today involves a lot of hardiplank siding, modern cedar, and greenfiber insulation. I'm well aware of the introduction of these sort of low cost, light weight, often synthetic, eco-friendly construction materials. My first job about 10 years ago was actually working for a company in the mid-atlantic that was pushing a lot of this stuff to small business and government agencies back when a lot of this stuff was just popping up.

My point is that the degree and scale to which this has been adopted in Seattle, coupled with the absence of more traditional architecture and construction is truly astonishing. I really don't know why it's so hard to believe that there could be dramatic regional difference in the architectural design of US cities. It's really not that hard to believe, especially for anyone who has traveled. I mean I'm sure you wouldn't expect Brooklyn, Stockholm, and Tokyo to have similar architecture, so why is so hard to convince other Americans that have never left their region of the country that (for example) LA California, Mobile Alabama, and the District of Columbia are architecturally and culturally very different. The upshot of my initial post was simply that stereotypical modular tract housing that was popular from roughly the 80-00s (and which obviously had its roots in post war suburbia of the 40s and 50s) is not nearly as visible as it is in most of the country, especially the Midwest and Southwest/California (where it's the worst IMO).

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 14:58:28 2019 No.13308957

>>13299630
>cars are absolutely necessary for living here
That's the main issue about this sort of situation. There's nothing there but housing, housing, housing, with no amenities or services. All so everyone can have their Own House and Yard™. But now you've got to own a car so you can get from Your Own House to work (45 mins commute time each way) so you can pay for your house and car. It's a huge waste of time and money. Living space with no sense of community, because all the community-building things are exported to a near city. It's completely against human social nature.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 15:05:28 2019 No.13308994 Some people want to live in a quiet suburb. Some people want to live in an urban apartment. Both should be built.

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 15:13:36 2019 No.13309044
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The spirit of America is warring with natives, expanding into the wilderness, scalping and raping, etc. You only find the true spirit of the American people in the early stages of development of the country. Much like Rome, the people lust for blood, however. Ever ~century there will be a great culling/bloody war for the common man to witness which tends to breathe new life into the docile spirits of the suburban individual. We will see war soon, our lands were sewn with the blood of millions and the spirits cultivated by this land, however far removed from the slaughters of our forefathers, will always return to its default setting: war and rebellion. But then again I am just a humble small-time lumberjack who enjoy an adventure story. I know nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 16:01:55 2019 No.13309312 people in suburbia and the cities should just mass suicide like a cult or some shit and also fuck your lawns if you have a lawn KILL YOURSELF

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 16:07:24 2019 No.13309344 >>13309044 >humble small-time lumberjack So like, you just cut down little apple trees or rhododendron bushes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 16:11:06 2019 No.13309369 >>13309344 I use an axe and a saw to cut trees in forests in the pacific northwest until my trailer is full, then I chop them further into firewood to sell in bundles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 16:28:01 2019 No.13309466 >>13309369 How much does this pay? Why not just sell the timber on your lot and do something else with your time?

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 16:31:16 2019 No.13309480

>>13309466
I own a trailer and land from inheritance and I own my car, tools, and a home gym so my only expenses are gasoline, internet, and power. I bring in around $1500 a month. I do it because I enjoy it and it gives me plenty of alone time to think about God. What else is there to do with my time?

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 19:18:09 2019 No.13310410

>>13309480
One's own opportunity costs are peculiar to themselves. But we are on /lit/ so perhaps something related to that. As it is, were I able to get equivalent to $1k/month from the sale and judicious investment, I might use the extra time to write a novel, find a wife or build improvements upon a homestead.
Anyhow, I've seen such opportunities available in the cascades, including a very enticing orchard, and was curious to the reality of it. Or at least the financial possiblities of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 19:20:14 2019 No.13310420 >>13306985 >relax old man, that gaggle of feral niggers is totally harmless! If you didn't live in some gentrified bubble, it would be open season on your weak ass.

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 20:18:50 2019 No.13310739

>>13300000
If they're just smoking blunt and loitering it doesn't even sound that bad. Basically it sounds like your typical working class black neighborhood. If your in Chicago be happy that you don't live near gang territory or an open air drug market.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 20:22:03 2019 No.13310751 >>13309044 >56% and shrinking When the war will happen the descendants of settlers will be all but extinct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 21:12:50 2019 No.13310998 >>13299630 >the largest waste of resources in the history of mankind You mean feeding niggers in Africa?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 21:14:40 2019 No.13311007 >>13301356 yeah Chicago, Baltimore, East St. Louis, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are all exactly the same. There's no differences between any of those places.

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 21:59:42 2019 No.13311207

>>13303325
>Now in a city like Baltimore or Detroit as a west coaster, the first thing you'll notice is that you're a minority. Over 70% of people will be black and you will be one of the few white people unless you are literally downtown in the financial district or at a mall or something.
I wonder if that has anything, anything at all, to do with the level of crime there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 16 22:16:45 2019 No.13311278 >>13304276 Just want to remind anybody reading this post that those high rates of crime and violence have NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE WHATSOEVER, and that it's 100% the white man's fault.

Anonymous Sun Jun 16 22:46:51 2019 No.13311412

>>13300425

I live in a rural area with rice fields and farmland around my building, but I also live a 15 minute walk from a train station. We also have buses and a few convenience stores where I can receive amazon deliveries.

Sorry man, you can have a small town rural lifestyle and still enjoy modern conveniences. Sure it’s not as convenient as a big city, but I wouldn’t trade the chilled out quiet lifestyle of the countryside for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 00:03:52 2019 No.13311769 File: 17 KB, 249x251, bear.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13299699 >Whipping out the doubles sandwich after being challenged like this Teach me how to be as cool as you, senpai

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 00:17:29 2019 No.13311844

>>13299885
>t. lived in Bellevue for 6 years back in the 2000s

It's one of the most beautiful places on earth, has some of the best hiking and foot trails for "one mile walks" I've ever seen, and you're a 20 minute's drive away from Seattle anyways. Those winding streets and culdesacs are because the houses are on the natural hills of the area and they didn't flatten it out into commieblocks like they did in the city proper.

Any notion of suburb "resource drain" that doesn't take into account the subjective quality-of-life differences that explain why people are draining resources if cities are available and are as good as you claim denies the humanity of the people you'd cram in for the sake of handwavey city planning "Convenience".

Some examples: If you own a car, "not being walking distance to stores" is not a problem; the physical separation means you're safer your rent is cheaper; it's quiet at night; and you get to avoid all the sprawl and traffic. More wall insulation doesn't take the city out of a city, or the high density out of high density.

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 00:34:27 2019 No.13311913

>>13311844
The sprawl and traffic is created by suburbs, the suburbs don't avoid it. I've lived in suburbs of many cities all my life, and at least in America, this is true of all of them. Commuters spend hours of their day driving down freeways, miserable, polluting, and atomized.
What's good for an individual ("I have a car so walking isn't an issue, it's cheaper, I don't have crime to worry about") can still compound into a societal negative, in this case, the complete dissolution of the culture and wealth of cities into cookie-cutter shithole satellites of strip malls and housing.

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 00:53:20 2019 No.13311975

>>13311913
>the complete dissolution of the culture and wealth of cities

But there's that assumption again: making the city better at the expense of the humans that live in it is a trade that's bad for the humans, and ultimately bad for the cities.

You can systematically dehumanize the people in a city by saying shit like
>What's good for an individual can still compound into a societal negative,

And I'm sure in the short term you'll see better statistics (For example, flattening a city to boring, flat plains probably does, like your post says, speed up emergency services who don't know how to use Google maps offline by helping servicemen who haven't taken the time to get to know their own cities because they've grown accustomed to pretending humans live on graph paper move faster).

It's the things that your statistics don't track that are ruined, and you can see the symptoms of the psychic scars in the massive (and growing) homeless population's mental issues, the shittier air that over a decade probably takes six months to a year off your life, the hit to your well-being of being unable to have a big dog or walk around the neighborhood with your kids confident in your physical safety, and the feeling that even though you're home from work, you aren't truly in a place of rest, because you can hear your neighbor throwing a party and people outside won't stop honking their horns.

The desire for this kind of breathing room and tranquility isn't cultural dissolution and atomization - it's humans actively choosing not to be shoved into the box that city planners built for us, because humans can't live in a box for extended periods without acting like the prisoners they effectively are. We put up with the traffic because it's the superior alternative.

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 02:49:27 2019 No.13312349

>>13303325
Have you not been to the crack donald’s in downtown? It’s pretty much an open heroin market. Also, certain areas in Seattle or adjacent to Seattle can be quite dangerous, such as pioneer square or rainier beach. It’s not as terrible as some impoverished east coast city, however, you’re romanticizing Seattle through rose tinted glasses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 03:04:14 2019 No.13312405 >>13311844 idk man I lived in Bellevue last year without a car and it pretty much sucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 03:34:59 2019 No.13312489 >>13312405 No argument there if you have no car (public transit's mediocre), but if you have a car for getting around it's great. It's an amazing place to take walks, not a great place to get around BY taking walks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 04:50:50 2019 No.13312669 >>13310420 Tbh you just sound like a racist pussy frightened of black children

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 05:04:51 2019 No.13312706 File: 755 KB, 1824x1368, size of tokyo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] suddenly whites don't seem to be the master race in this area, but east asians

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 05:08:11 2019 No.13312714

>>13312669

not him but Chicago is horrifying compared to Seattle, in fact I've been more scared in Portland than I ever did in Seattle. Shit, I watched the aftermath shooting in the alley outside my apartment in Seattle and I still feel this way. I get a bit nervous at most.

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 05:12:57 2019 No.13312727

the suburbs were an extension of postwar society in that they were structured around , insular and security-driven lifestyles, efficient automobile mobility, and uncompromising individualism based on high economic growth. The suburbs, the interstate highway complex, the shopping mall, and the fast food trend are entirely interconnected in American society. The trend away from such things in America today is not driven by millennials being more urbanite and multicultural (or whatever), it's driven by the suburbs becoming less livable due to traffic, the middle-class debt burden, decreasing homeownership, and increasing costs associated with various aspects of suburban life which have not been balanced out by wage growth since the start of neoliberalism. Desire for urbanism based on the mostly-successful urban planning of Asian and European metropolises is irrelevant, the fact is that the suburbs are extended retirement communities for people who already had it made before Reaganite policy choices hit their zenith and started extracting their vicious price. Even generation X hasn't fully managed to integrate within them, and the trends have only been down since. Even if you wish for the manufactured individualism of 1962 with every fiber of your being, every vestige of that lifestyle is withering on the vine due to factors outside the control of any actor except the market's unseen grasp. No amount of backlash and retrogression can stop the leaks in that old vessel; forty-five with all his desperate mercantilism cannot even slow it down. It's not about what you wish for, it's about adapting to the inevitable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 07:59:04 2019 No.13313229 >>13299630 >concerning the largest waste of resources in the history of mankind And your pic is related to this how? It's literally the most efficient way to build single family homes there is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 10:29:49 2019 No.13313788 >>13313229 Commieblocks are more efficient

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 10:30:49 2019 No.13313790 >>13299637 fpbp

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 10:46:15 2019 No.13313835

>>13311975
Cities come with their problems too, but you completely ignore the atomization and alienation that the suburbs enforce in their residents. The effect is subtler than "my neighbor is loud," but has long-term detrimental effects - any kind of legitimate community is impossible in the sprawl and commute of a suburb. Cities in the past couple of decades have seen their senses of community dull too compared to the 19th and 20th centuries, but most still have it somewhere.
Cities may have annoyances, but most people when comparing the two can feel the hollow artificiality of the suburb in their bones. It's unsettling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 10:49:37 2019 No.13313842 >>13313229 Suburbs are wastes of land, wastes of water, and wastes of energy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:06:23 2019 No.13314916 >>13313842 false. they're a good way to spend your land, water, and electricity. if you think your lifestyle is too comfortable you could donate some of it i guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:21:58 2019 No.13314989 >God tier Coastal town Mid size city >Good tier Rural Small Town/Village Small city >Okay tier Outer metro suburb >shit tier Major metro area Normal suburb

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:21:58 2019 No.13314990 >>13301447 cope harder & have sex

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:35:24 2019 No.13315096 >>13314916 If I build commieblocks I can extract 10 times as much rent as I could from suburban dwellings on the same land

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:36:52 2019 No.13315109 >>13315096 no you couldn't. you'd need to sucker tenants to live in your commieblocks instead of owning or even renting a suburban house

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:41:01 2019 No.13315138

the general rapid industrialization leaves no time for 'authentic culture' to develop. cities have 'culture' because they are old and unironically those who have this hipster idea of 'being cultured' because they are new transplants to a city and never really had ancestry there are those who kill that culture. its the information age fucko, everyone gets the same 'culture feed' no matter where you are. read sloterdijk. who would people prefer to live in coffin apartments in city for the same price of a less cluttered townhouse out in the suburbs? it all sounds like cope, 'my cage is better than yours'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:50:18 2019 No.13315204 >>13315109 The entire urban property industry disagrees with you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 15:59:38 2019 No.13315276 >>13315204 the existence of things you claim are capitalistically inefficient disagrees with you. maybe you could solve the inefficiency by buying and replacing suburbs with commieblocks. let us know how that works out for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:01:15 2019 No.13315286 >>13315276 Okay dude. A wizard gives us each a ten acre plot on the Upper East Side. You build suburban homes, I'll build commie blocks. Let's see who makes more money

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:03:31 2019 No.13315313

>>13315286
>on the Upper East Side
you don't get to choose the land you dishonest faggot. you claimed commieblocks would be better than suburbs on the same land. so purchase some of the land which market forces have built suburbs on and show us you're right

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:06:39 2019 No.13315338

>>13302882
>walk five blocks from downtown and you’re in a dark shrouded forest, filled to the brim with homeless camps and needles, where feral packs of negros stalk the outskirts selling drugs and raping woman, bodies are regularly discovered, many more people go missing there, the two blocks immediately adjacent to the forest quickly become known ‘danger zones’, with higher murder rates than Aleppo. At night, you can hear the screams echoing from behind the canopy, punctuated occasionally by blasts of gunfire.
I think you underestimate America. Imagine Brazil but with less scenic with shittier public services and more niggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:06:51 2019 No.13315339 >>13303360 books? uh harry potter was well good. ideology? brexit party innit mate are farage will sort it out

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:23:33 2019 No.13315461 >>13315313 You are being dishonest. You are claiming suburbs are better, apart from all the instances when they clearly aren't. If suburbs are more efficient, why don't they build them on the Upper East Side?

Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:27:37 2019 No.13315498

>>13315461
No i'm not you hypocritical liar. You are the one who started this claiming "commie blocks would be better than suburbs on the same land". I did not claim suburbs would be better than commie blocks on the same land because i'm not a retard who can't handle the concept of different housing being economically optimal in different locations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:33:53 2019 No.13315535 >>13315498 >commie blocks would be better than suburbs on the same land But this is true, as our Upper East Side example shows. Now you are back pedalling

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:34:49 2019 No.13315545 >>13315535 You are making false generalizations and trying to justify them using examples much more specific than your generalization. Because you're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:37:17 2019 No.13315566 >>13315545 Okay anon. I wish your suburban homes in the inner city project every success

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:37:41 2019 No.13315567 >>13315535 theyre not commie blocks. because they cost less to make and you could cram more tenants in the amount of space. so then they are essentially capitalblocks..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 17 16:45:16 2019 No.13315607 >>13305900 >those public spaces >that arch 8/10, would live there

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