/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13293748]

accelerationism makes no sense, prove me wrong
and no, I'm not reading your faggy books

[Anonymous No.13293807]

nigger

[Anonymous No.13293847]

>>13293748
If you were to believe that capitalism will destroy itself, and you are anti-capitalist, it only makes sense to speed up its self-destruction.

[Anonymous No.13293865]

>>13293847

To add, accelerating capitalism as a capitalist also makes sense

[Anonymous No.13293897]

>>13293847
>>13293865
capitalism is human nature you can't speed up human nature retard

[Anonymous No.13293902]

>>13293897
>usury is human nature
Whew lad

[Anonymous No.13293975]

>>13293897
That's a reasonable criticism of accelerationism, as the modern neoliberal order is a very complex system with many factors. However, with popular support of accelerationist policies such as deregulation, it is possible. The real problem with accelearionism, like the problem of class consciousness, is getting significant support.

[Anonymous No.13294024]

>>13293902
az quotes always helpful.

[Anonymous No.13294034]

>>13293975
the support is solved by getting all the trannies on board which soon will be an inadvertent to western cultures (after all the incels will rot togehter and chose islam)

[Anonymous No.13294102]

>>13293897
>this thing from 400 years ago is human nature
>"but but, capitalism is when you exchange things"

[Anonymous No.13294508]

>>13293902
>Whew lad

[Anonymous No.13294639]

>>13293897
>Water is the only thing that exists!
>t. fish

[Anonymous No.13294731]

>>13294639
what?

[Anonymous No.13295020]

>>13294731
if you didn't understand than you are a pleb sorry my man

[Anonymous No.13295044]

>>13293748
>I'm not reading your faggy books
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[Anonymous No.13295063]

>>13295020
the aphorism is that fish don't know what water is because it's all around them, your metaphor is off

[Anonymous No.13295852]

>>13294024
new to /lit/ i barely understand that quote just enough to know its speakin the truth

[Anonymous No.13295853]

>>13294102
>the big bang happened in the 20th century, because something doesn't exist before it is defined

[Anonymous No.13295859]

>>13295063
>water is the only thing that exists
>fish dont know what water is
listen kike stop trying to dance around the subject and realize youre retarded

[Anonymous No.13295941]

>>13295853
He's talking about itself capitalism, not about the word for capitalism, which came later (it was first used in the modern sense in 1850 according to wikipedia).

[Anonymous No.13295945]

>>13295941
capitalism itself*

[Anonymous No.13295952]

Deleuze is not an accelerationist

he influenced land but their ideas are not similar at all. the "capital is sentient" thing is just a scifi reframing of marx. what Land took from Deleuze was the permission to call wriggling on the floor spouting gibberish psychobabble "Philosophy"

[Anonymous No.13296076]

>>13295952
>capital is sentient
Any books on this sentiment?

[Anonymous No.13296489]

>>13295952
>Deleuze is not an accelerationist

Wrong, Deleuze makes an explicit claim in Anti-Oedipus about accelerating the process of decentralising capital /deterritorialisation. He later backtracks in ATP claiming that going too fast too quickly can cause the strata to collapse in on itself (like the hollow BWO of a drug addict) or that we might lose ourselves in a black hole (the descent into fascism). But the primordial beginnings of Landian acceleration are all very much present in the first capitalism and schizophrenia book

[Anonymous No.13296507]

>>13293847
You don’t know what accelerationism is, stop talking about it.

[Anonymous No.13296533]

>>13296507
Despite what OP says, I will read your faggy books. How do I understand what accelerationism is?

[Anonymous No.13296542]

>>13296533
At the core it’s the observation that our current capitalist trade systems encourage all parties within or adjacent to it to participate in and help perpetuate capitalism no matter what their goal is.

[Anonymous No.13296826]

>>13296076
No because neither Land nor any accelerationist claims that capital is sentient. They claim that capitalism is artificial intelligence. Sentience is the capacity to feel things. Artificial intelligence does not require sentience.

[Anonymous No.13297641]

>>13296507
Fuck off faggot

[Anonymous No.13298047]

Accelerationists really are an embarrassment to humanity.
If they're so fast, why don't they just kill themselves? Embrace the inhuman end. Show us the way.

[Anonymous No.13298071]

>>13298047
Mainländer was an accelerationist

[Anonymous No.13298170]

>>13293847
The reason I am an anticapitalist is that capital parasitizes the community and subverts the spiritual primacy of ecological relationship, devolving the meaning of life to infantile material fetishism. Marxism also sacrifices animate nature to Mammon but at least it doesn't parasitize the community in theory. I guess I'm really not an anti capitalist, capital can be pragmatic. What I'm against is the inanimate materialism that is draining the the meaning out of Life on Earth and leaving us with dead matter.
Accelerationism is retarded. Spirit is the only thing worth accelerating, and that's not really acceleration, it's new growth.

[Anonymous No.13298184]

>>13298170
Just embrace pro-market anti-capitalism like the rest of us (sensible) lunatics, then and maybe we can actually set the right stage for this "new growth" to take place.

[Anonymous No.13298198]

>>13298184
There has to be old growth for new growth. Acceleration is literally causing the old growth to die off. There is no stage being set, and life is not a spectacle performed on stage. What is happening is the substrate is being reduced to nothing. This is not a cyclic disturbance, it's global extinction.

[Anonymous No.13298208]

>>13298184
Also I have no qualms with using the market for pragmatic ends. Accelerating the end of all animate meaning is not that.

[Anonymous No.13298315]

>>13298198
>There is no stage being set, and life is not a spectacle performed on stage
shouldn't have mixed my metaphors really, should've used a botanical allegory about "ploughing the earth" or something to fit with your image of "growth". But regardless, I personally believe your insistence on the privilege of meaning to be a byproduct of your unacknowledged anthropocentrism (for there is no meaning without man and his symbols). I would argue that Spirit is instead characterised by ineffability rather than "animate meaning" (though you'll have to define the latter for me). If spirituality was defined by "meaning", then it becomes something that is tangible and comprehensible; something "normal".

[Anonymous No.13298335]

>>13298315
>But regardless, I personally believe your insistence on the privilege of meaning to be a byproduct of your unacknowledged anthropocentrism (for there is no meaning without man and his symbols)
I'm a biosemiotic panpsychist and I'm using meaning in the Peirceian sense. Signs are living things.

[Anonymous No.13298348]

>>13293897
Mouthbreather.

[Anonymous No.13298362]

>>13294024
Making money out of money is needed for investment and accumulation growth, if it comes to a halt then the system crashes

[Anonymous No.13298391]

>>13294024
There is no zero sum game in economics. There is always a loser.

[Anonymous No.13298411]

>>13298391
Tell that to the gift-giving based economy of hunter gatherers. Which I see no reason to be exclusively obtainable by primitive people. There is no reason that advanced techno-agricultural civilization couldn't return to the primitive primacy of ecological interrelationship, as a matter of fact I think we already have it. We just distance ourselves from animate life with the silly games we play.

[Anonymous No.13298419]

>>13298335
>biosemiotic panpsychist
ah, I see. so you're one of those people with liquified brains.

[Anonymous No.13298444]

>>13293897
That's like saying Communism is human nature. Neither are. They're political systems made by people. Granted, human made structures are naturally occurring. However, that's like saying a building is human nature. That just makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.13298445]

>>13298419
To my disappointment, it's pretty obvious that you don't know enough to meaningfully engage with me on topic. You don't have to attack me to make yourself feel better about being a subpar interlocutor. Not knowing enough doesn't make you a lesser person, but venting your inadequacy through cyberbullying does. You big meanie

[Anonymous No.13298465]

>>13298444
buildings are human nature, retard. or do you think a making a hive isn't a bee's nature either?