/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13278944]

Which of them had the best ideology, /lit/? Who was the best choice in the end?

I know this isn't all that related to lit but /v/ is full of imbeciles.

[Anonymous No.13278983]

Caesar's Legion had practical problems, like whether Caesar had actually created an authentic organism whose individual parts (including leaders, since most of his potential successors were garbage) are subordinate to the self-organizing, self-realizing essence of the whole. But putting these practical problems aside, of whether he actually achieved his goal, the question of whether you support the Legion fundamentally comes down to whether you adhere to the goal itself. Caesar's outlook is actually not very Hegelian, it's more Borussian-historicist or maybe "neo-Hegelian" if you want to be generous. Hegel himself is too universalist in the final analysis for what Caesar wants. He supported the Prussian state only begrudgingly and preferred the French Revolution. Ultimately he is more Spinozist than Heideggerian.

The question of Caesar vs. the NCR is really a mirror of the question of whether you follow Heidegger, as the arch-historicist or logical telos of historicism, or "liberalism" on the Straussian model. I say Straussian model because there's a fundamental ambiguity in the term, grounded in the undecidable question of whether Strauss was really the arch-liberal defender of liberalism qua liberalism, or whether he was a cynical machiavel who believed liberalism was the "best we could do" in a godless world, and that we ought at least to forestall historicism from mutating into fascism again and again. If you believe in the NCR, you have to face this same question. Are you a real liberal, do you have the inner strength to be a "naive" liberal," or are you a Straussian whose public face is naive liberalism? Was Strauss a naive liberal, a champion of natural right and the good of man, or was he the instigator of a cult of oligarchs who control a fundamentally degenerate, stagnant civil society, at the end of history?

[Anonymous No.13279296]

>>13278983
And house?

[Anonymous No.13279334]

>>13279296
He took too much vicodin...

[Anonymous No.13279380]

>>13278944
I dislike all 3 of those choices and don't think there's one that's objectively best.
I guess I'd always pick Legion over NCR, but that doesn't change the fact it's garbage.

[Anonymous No.13279549]

I like independent Vegas the best and consider it the option that best fits into the storyline. The entire Hoover Dam shitstorm seems to generally paint all the contenders in a negative light. Rejecting all of them is, in my opinion, the direction that the writers nudge the player towards most. When Benny fails to kill you and dies in your place, you realize why he did what he did and carry his project through to its conclusion, ensuring the sovereignty of all the tribes and towns you meet along the way for at least a little while.
I do really wish they'd had more time to flesh the story out like they wanted, especially since the Legion was supposed to have a large territory under their control to explore. Maybe one day in the far future there'll be some kind of expanded remake with extra content.

[Anonymous No.13279573]

Whatever I choose I always feel bad for betraying House.

[Anonymous No.13279578]

Manchildren, begone.

[Anonymous No.13280591]

Yes man
Fuck rulers, Warlordism only

[Anonymous No.13280649]

>>13278944
None
Followers of the Apocalypse above all

[Anonymous No.13280656]

There has, and always have been, just ONE correct choice.

[Anonymous No.13281154]

>>13278944
Why would a female courier side with Caesar?

[Anonymous No.13281193]

>>13281154
Why would any non-Nord Dragonborn side with the Stormcloaks?

[Anonymous No.13282209]

>>13279549
>ensuring the sovereignty of all the tribes and towns
What is the use of sovereignty for these people when most of them are barbaric heathens who could hardly manage themselves?

[Anonymous No.13282271]

Fuck the Legion
Pansy ass cringe Larper faggots. You don't know how much I enjoy killing the bunch of them in their own fort and elsewhere.

That said, NCR is the lesser evil. They never crossed me, actually, and they pay good, plus Boone and Cass also side with them. Don't give a shit about other tribes, so I always stick with the NCR.

[Anonymous No.13282293]

i REALLY like casinos so i always go with house

[Anonymous No.13282320]

>>13278944

>the legion

A pyramid scheme where they have too keep integrating tribes for man power and if the leader dies it all falls apart

>The ncr

Extremely corrupt with leadership often doubted by older members almost entirely existing out of newer recruits. Often forces people to accept their way of life under the guise of being the better alternative, breeds revolution.

>Mr house

Dude, money, lmao.

>Me.

destroy anything I deem to be a threat to my independent super society which consists of groups of people all working for the greater good ie the gang in free side act like a police, farms in west side provide food for the poor etc When a group becomes a problem I just remove and replace them.


I dunno they all sound equally as bad to me desu

[Anonymous No.13282453]

>>13278944
The only choice, ofcourse, is the enclave.
Genetic purity is the first step towards ascension to God.

[Anonymous No.13283223]

>>13282293
>>13282271
The most NPC answers I've ever read

>>13282453
Absent from the mojave

[Anonymous No.13283254]

Yes Man doesn't count. It's called the Wildcard ending for a reason. It's there just in case you, the player, kill off NCR, Legion and House leadership.
That said, it completely blows my mind how people will parrot the anti-Legion NPCs in the game who say that the Legion will die with Caesar. Legate Lanius should be a fucking hint, but no one gets his character. For the entire game you're told how this man is a barbaric monster, motivated only by bloodlust, all brawn, no brain. Then you meet him at the end and he's the most eloquent character in the game. He would be a great successor to Caesar. That Lanius isn't the stupid brute everyone makes him out to be is supposed to communicate to the player that every NPC in the game is just as ignorant and biased as the rest. All the big, named Legion characters are also smart and extremely well spoken: Lanius, Caesar himself, Ulysses, Vulpes. Take the fucking hint.

[Anonymous No.13283411]

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