The White Man's Guide to White Male Writers of the Western Canon

[Anonymous No.13243764]

Have you pre-ordered your copy yet /lit/?

>Who better than that unjustifiably overconfident guy in your MFA to mansplain the most important (aka white male) writers of western literature? You can’t miss him: riding the L, writing furiously in his Moleskine notebook, or defying the wind by hand-rolling a cigarette outside a Williamsburg coffeeshop. He’s read Infinite Jest 9 1/2 times—have you?

>From Shakespeare’s greatest mystery (how could a working-class man without access to an MFA program be so prolific?) to the true meaning of Kafkaesque (you know you’ve made it when you have an adjective named for you) to an appropriately minimalist dissertation on Raymond Carver that segues effortlessly into a devastating critique of a New Yorker rejection letter (”serious believability issues”), this guide is at once profound and practical.

>Use a Venn diagram to test your knowledge of which Jonathan—Franzen, Lethem, or Safran Foer—hates Twitter and lives in Brooklyn. (Trick question: all 3!) Practice slyly responding to an invitation to discuss Bartleby the Scrivener with “I would prefer not to.” Sneer at chick-lit and drink Mojitos like Hemingway (not like middle-aged divorcées!). And as did Nabokov (originator of the emoticon), find the Pale Fire within.

>So instead of politely nodding next time you encounter said person at a housewarming party in Brooklyn, you can hand them this book and tell them to roll up their sleeves and cigarettes, and get to writing the next great American novel.

https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062867872/the-white-mans-guide-to-white-male-writers-of-the-western-canon/

[Anonymous No.13243791]

>>13243764
>Dana Schwartz
>Jason Adam Katzenstein

is this some kind of /pol/ parody?

[Anonymous No.13243794]

as someone with Jewish ancestry: Of course a fucking Jew wrote that garbage.

[Anonymous No.13243798]

>>13243794
As a black man...

[Anonymous No.13243804]

>>13243798
What's your point?

[Anonymous No.13243808]

One time I did mushrooms and took a shower and had this whole short story planned about a woman and a man going to college, where the man's brain was relatively normal although subject to various pitfalls, but the woman's brain was like a sparking sputtering electronic machine overloading and rattling apart at the seams as she tried to reduce every experience in the human condition and everything a house of learning has to offer to petty social whims and her own narcissism

[Anonymous No.13243819]

>needing a guide for this
How's high school, anon?

[Anonymous No.13243820]

>>13243791
It's merely reality.

[Anonymous No.13243826]

[Anonymous No.13243828]

Why do J_wish women have such an obsession with guys like this? "How dare you attempt to appreciate universally acclaimed classics??"
I know a few art hoe types and they tweet this kind of shit nonstop.
I'd love to know a guy I could discuss Nabokov with- what's their damage?
>author advertises the handle of their butthurt twitter gimmick account
Embarrassing

[Anonymous No.13243830]

This whole thing stinks of ressentiment

[Anonymous No.13243833]

desu jews can be funny at times

but in the current era it's too easy to make money by simply being a twitter troll

[Anonymous No.13243838]

Western cannon is a deeply problematic phrase. In some contexts it can be seen as a dog whistle for white supremacy.

[Anonymous No.13243842]

[Anonymous No.13243849]

I'm getting sick of these pompous fucks who think it makes them seem like they have a more "refined," and worldly taste than others, by covertly mocking things that a lot of people hold dear to their heart, but to capitalize on the current trends of ridiculous outrage.
I'm Native American, and it makes me absolutely sick to see the crap that is flung at writers like Wallace and Pynchon for merely being white.
It's the lowest common denomination of "satire," or criticism... or whatever the fuck it is.

Lately I've been seeing more of those "Oh, he read Infinite Jest, HE'S THAT GUY" sort of memes being posted by normies that I know, full well knowing that they haVE NEVER READ THE FUCKING THING.
It's a lazy attempt to cast themselves as superior without putting any goddamn effort into it. Ooop! Just post a meme, and BOOM, you're a part of that cool club that relates to English major chicks who have had a bad experience with a guy, and lack the self-discipline and respect to MOVE ON from that. Sure, there are pompous jerks out there, but that's not just relegated to the literary world.
I've never really read an intelligent critique of DFW and his work... all it is is bitter idiots who complain about a perceived character flaw within that writer's fan base, acting like any over-zealous fan base isn't completely annoying.

Western literature is fucking dying. I won't stand-by and let these idiots ruin it with their half-assed attempts at being clever.

[Anonymous No.13243851]

Genocide twitter personalities already

[Anonymous No.13243854]

>>13243833
basically I'm saying jewish talent gets wasted

and it's the fault of easily triggered /pol/tards and dumb goyim in general

[Anonymous No.13243856]

>>13243838
so go live in a society not made by white people

you know the real rise of white supremacy is a response to antiwhite rhetoric though right? you know you're causing this like a self fulfilling prophecy?

[Anonymous No.13243858]

The funny thing is I've never actually met anyone outside the internet like she's lambasting. Most MFA's are giant pussies that agree with everything their female colleagues say, so I don't know what she's mad about. She probably wants Nabokov to come back to life and fuck the Jew out of her, like he did to Vera

[Anonymous No.13243863]

>>13243854
Marx, Freud, Montaigne, Kafka, Hannah Arendt were all Jewish and all of them would be disgusted by contemporary liberal Jews. Even Einstein and Feynman didn't think much of being Jewish. The Jewish identity has only been amplified by WW2. Thanks Hitler.

[Anonymous No.13243864]

>>13243854
Do I need twatter if I'm ever going to be read?

[Anonymous No.13243867]

>>13243856
In others, it can be seen as a rallying cry for the white experience and a form of solidarity. In yet others, it can be seen as a symbol of solidarity or a gesture of rejection. In the case of Derrida's The Dialectic, that expression is the rejection of what he calls 'dialectical supremacy'.

A reader who reads Derrida's work for the first time, and to him, might think: "Derrida just did that, and I like it." Maybe the reader is a Derridaian himself, that is not all! But we read him for his dialectic, and those words have symbolic weight. They cannot simply be seen as a word for the book or a word for Derrida. They represent precisely something quite far from the book itself – something that happens when one talks of Derrida, because he writes something about himself in the language of language. In particular, he writes his critical, political work in a particular way, within the constraints and limitations of his own particular reading. To say that the criticism of Derrida is the work of a 'Derridelic' would then imply that it is in some sense 'racist', in a way that it is not at all.

[Anonymous No.13243883]

>>13243764
Dear Dana,
When we need you to critique the canon we created, or tell us how to appreciate it, we will let you know.
Regards,
White men.

[Anonymous No.13243885]

And yet white men are still the best writers.

[Anonymous No.13243886]

>>13243764
The only people who would get the jokes hang out here and there’s only about 2 dozen of us
I’m predicting a lot of remainders

[Anonymous No.13243888]

>>13243764
https://youtu.be/zUrqUWNcSOg

[Anonymous No.13243893]

>>13243867
Western merely means in English.
You translate a work that was written in a post-industrial society from places like South America or Japan, it's now a part of the Western Canon. Read some Saramago, amigo.

[Anonymous No.13243896]

>>13243885
Nope, a majority published today are women.

Now that they aren't oppressed they are surpassing men in every field.

[Anonymous No.13243898]

Image from the book.

[Anonymous No.13243899]

>>13243888
George Eliot is rolling in her grave right now.
IF she could only see the self-parody some women have made of themselves.

[Anonymous No.13243912]

>>13243893
>Western merely means in English
Anon is a brainlet. Brainlet!

[Anonymous No.13243924]

>>13243912
You made a post talking about Derrida and how a reader's experience is dictated by what they already know from their own experience... like it wasn't already COMPLETELY SELF-EVIDENT.
Why do you pretend to understand Derrida?

Care to explain what Western is then?

[Anonymous No.13243930]

>>13243828
Inferiority complex, no one likes being reminded that their plebeian skill set is inferior. In the modern age these people are given the platform to screech until people criticizing Rupi Kaur and similar are cowed into silence, so that they can wallow peacefully in their pretentious strain of anti-intellectualism.
And to get a bit more tinfoil, there's an ideological component to it. Classic literature often features beauty, virtue, and interesting thought. Do you think any of these harpies are interested in continuing the tradition of authors like O'Connor or Woolf? Or is it simply a matter of thirsting for easy money over their masturbatory "never improve" garbage?

[Anonymous No.13243931]

>>13243896
>they are surpassing men in every field.
lol

[Anonymous No.13243934]

>>13243798
redditor detected

[Anonymous No.13243935]

>>13243896
You're delusional if you think affirmative action publications are anywhere near as good as the classics that came before. Just think of all the complete PAP that had to be filtered out by decades of time going by.

[Anonymous No.13243939]

>>13243791

If you haven't noticed already you belong over on /tv/ or some shit

[Anonymous No.13243945]

>>13243924
The 'Western Canon', as I've gathered from Derrida and Dilleuze, is a world which, like all cultures and languages in the world, has an identity that goes beyond the national identity and that is defined by a complex set of symbolic traditions. Thus the cultural-historical dimension of the 'Western Canon' is intimately connected to that and is, therefore, a part of the 'Western Tradition'. The Western Canon is neither static, monochoric nor pre-modern (and this latter is problematic because it implies what is essentially an anti-Western concept): there is no 'Western Tradition' from which to draw. The Western Tradition, for example, has been constructed by people such as Jean-Luc Godard or Robert Altman, and, on the other hand, a 'Western Tradition' does not necessarily mean a specific period of time. On the contrary, Western Civilization has emerged from its European past and has been defined as 'modern' (if not 'scientific' or 'technological' or all three as this kind of thing are often defined). For instance, Marx does not consider himself to be a 'Western Hegel', but it is clear from the fact that his philosophical system is based on 'idealism' that Marx's political ideology, even from a Marxist point of view, derives from Marx's idealistically profane polemics.

[Anonymous No.13243946]

>>13243863
>Montaigne
he was only like 1/16th Jewish or something

>Marx
>Freud
>Hannah Arendt
Yes, how could one forget those shining beacons of morality

[Anonymous No.13243948]

>>13243924
Did the Greeks write in English, anon?

[Anonymous No.13243949]

>>13243849
But anon if you like things that arent mainstream top 40 pop, woke NYT best sellers, and my woke blog post you're a white supremacist.

[Anonymous No.13243958]

>>13243764
>White
No, what they mean is "American" or "Western".

[Anonymous No.13243959]

>>13243867
Was your second paragraph made by a postmodernism generator?

[Anonymous No.13243961]

>>13243888
I don't get it. Just a bunch of writing tropes?

[Anonymous No.13243964]

>>13243946
>jews
>morals
pick one

[Anonymous No.13243972]

>>13243945
You're not saying anything of value other than name dropping BIG BOYS.
You're telling me that symbols are the OLDEST AND MOST SUCCINCT set of cultural parataxis that governs a chosen people's experience? Whoa! It's like you have no idea what art truly is.
Anyone can make the argument that a "western" tradition is inherently "European," but that completely ignores the Indo-European Vedic influence on all of culture as it stands.

You're not proving any point. Lemme guess, 19 year old first year philosophy girl who makes long posts like this to impress normies on social media?

[Anonymous No.13243975]

>>13243863

[Anonymous No.13243983]

>another great literature thread

[Anonymous No.13243984]

>>13243935
How many people read the classics? Hardly anyone because they're not that good.

Rupi Kaur sold near 10 million last year alone. Meanwhile male poets are laughed out of the cafes.

[Anonymous No.13243985]

>>13243898
The worst thing is that this is such a CLICHÉ. You think your smug superior white male writer is still spewing this generic mfa-hipster crap? Well, maybe that's just America, where even the intellectual types are normies (more a question of taste than pseudery). Why not go for something more esoteric?

[Anonymous No.13243992]

>>13243984
Nice b8, discord trannie. Heres your (you)

[Anonymous No.13244005]

>>13243972
You need to understand that when I name-drop these men I am substituting ˈlakədā/, which isn't used in the original language, for ˈlakədān. The word comes from the Japanese 金 , which comes from the Arabic كزير . You are probably thinking, oh my god I don't use ʕaŋʣ ʔiːlān, but I love it. So when I say "Derrida ʕaŋʣ" I am saying, "These dudes are my friends, I am using əaŋʣ" in order to show you that these men truly are friends and are really really into me. It's not so much that I use əaŋʣ to mean "that's not me." Rather, əaŋʣ means that these guys are people who really understand what I am saying, so I'll say əaŋʣ.

We are both aware of what we need to get through here, but we have been struggling with the words, what they mean and why we need to use them. We both look at each other. They are the only words that I have in my vocabulary to indicate what I mean when I say WESTERN CANON or WESTERN TRADITION etc.

[Anonymous No.13244008]

>>13244005

[Anonymous No.13244016]

>>13243984
Ah, yes. The brave and noble Rupi! The one who forgoes any and all meter and structure to capture the fake deep Twilight audience of 14 year old girls.

[Anonymous No.13244078]

Ill be honest,i fucking hate (((em)))

[Anonymous No.13244095]

>>13243863
>liberal Jews
>Jewish identity
Wat. The latter is pushed by the conservative types.

[Anonymous No.13244102]

>>13243946
So you're a mawkish Jew then?

[Anonymous No.13244109]

>>13243984
>Meanwhile male poets are laughed out of the cafes.
Male poets do damn fine as rappers. Poetry without music is so 19th century.

[Anonymous No.13244113]

>>13244095
Yeah kind of, but they're more so economic Americans IMO. In an ideal world, they'd go back to Israel ahahaha.

[Anonymous No.13244118]

>>13244113
>>13244095
Whereas the Liberal Jews have created a new Jewish Identity derivative of mawkishness and secularism that isn't quite akin to Israel. Send them back too, but I think they're loathsome and despicable.

[Anonymous No.13244119]

Roasties hate to see men pay attention to anything other than them.

[Anonymous No.13244151]

>>13243791
/pol/ is literally never wrong

[Anonymous No.13244155]

>>13244113
>economic Americans
Sounds like a very Jewish thing to be.

>Liberal Jews have created a new Jewish Identity derivative of mawkishness and secularism that isn't quite akin to Israel
You mean the twitter types with Jewish flags who bitch about antisemitism everywhere but aren't actually practicing Judaism?

[Anonymous No.13244181]

>>13243842
Please tell me that that is real.

[Anonymous No.13244194]

>>13243764
What book is the guy on the cover holding? It looks cool.

[Anonymous No.13244200]

>>13243849
Agreed. I hate this new fashionable vein of criticism, where people in the literature community make fun of other people in the literature community for the horrible crime of reading literature. It's elitist, smug, anti intellectual, and reduces the greatest books of all time to a mere fashion statement. Harold bloom was right about the school of resentment: Fake leftism to disguise a dislike of intellectual work

[Anonymous No.13244213]

>>13243764
If he was white I'd read it ironically but I'm not going to support another (((white man))) parody

[Anonymous No.13244221]

>>13243863
The Jewish identity has mostly been amplified by Zionism, Hitler is just a convenient excuse.

[Anonymous No.13244240]

>>13244194
Infinite Jest
I don't know why she hates it so much

[Anonymous No.13244292]

>>13244240
Most people can't comprehend giving seven years of their life to working on something as far-reaching as a big novel desu.

[Anonymous No.13244304]

>>13244240
That’s disappointing.

[Anonymous No.13244320]

>>13244292
IJ is a fucking joke though.

t. guy who worked for 8 year on his novel

[Anonymous No.13244333]

>>13244320
>IJ is a fucking joke though.
as advertised

[Anonymous No.13244356]

>>13244320
>IJ is a fucking joke though.

Again, I've never read an intelligent critique of IJ. In fact, some of the smartest people I've known have gushed over the book.
Harold Bloom through a tantrum over DFW because David called his work "turgid," in a quasi-ironic lampooning of how modern intellectual works compare to easily-consumed mass media of the modern age.

What don't you like about it?

[Anonymous No.13244364]

>>13244356
>threw*

flipping phone posting

[Anonymous No.13244381]

>>13244356
Can anyone tell me what section of the book that is? I wouldn’t mind reading it.

[Anonymous No.13244388]

>>13243764
>Schwartz
>Katzenstein
every fucking time

[Anonymous No.13244390]

>>13243898
>sneakers
my feet are so fucking big that I have to buy whatever I can find in the shoe store as soon as I see it. 9 times out of 10 that's sneakers. I literally have to repair my own fucking shoes. fuck paying 150+ for a size 14 S T Y L I S H dress shoe to impress Anna with bangs and a plath tattoo from Advanced Fiction, jesus

[Anonymous No.13244400]

>>13244381
It's in a tiny end note somewhere IIRC.
Can't remember. Been years since I've read IJ.

[Anonymous No.13244413]

>>13244356
Here's a solid Wallace critique: DFW cannot write female characters well. His men have complex and contradictory inner lives; his women are primarily beautiful or motherly, but not really much else -- and the one woman in his work that DOES have a complex inner life (the main character of The Depressed Person) is pathetic, narcissistic, and a thorough caricature instead of a feeling human

[Anonymous No.13244419]

>>13244413
>is pathetic, narcissistic
well...

[Anonymous No.13244427]

>>13244413
That’s only a legitimate critique if you think books should not be true to life.

[Anonymous No.13244434]

>>13244413
Most male writers can't write authentic female characters, anon. It's why you read both males and females.
Seems a pretty trivial thing to disregard someone's point of view though. Beauty of the canon is that it's a big, long comparative conversation that influences other aspects of art and philosophy.
He did get better with writing about his own self-inserted narcissistic and depressed qualities with a female character in The Pale King later.

[Anonymous No.13244446]

>>13243896

>we are better because we get published

Next you're gonna tell me 50 Shades of Grey is the greatest work of literature ever written

[Anonymous No.13244452]

>>13244155
Yes to both

[Anonymous No.13244456]

>>13243893
>Western merely means in English.
The absolute state of /lit/. Commit suicide, whoever wrote this.

[Anonymous No.13244460]

>>13244221
Zionism became stronger after the Civil Rights movement

[Anonymous No.13244467]

>>13243992
Name one good male author currently being published.

[Anonymous No.13244469]

>>13243867
>>13243945
>>13244005

I don't understand how people's brains get this fucked up.

[Anonymous No.13244478]

>>13244446
Certainly better than anything men are writing.

[Anonymous No.13244483]

>>13243849
Good assessment. It's pretty sad.

[Anonymous No.13244484]

>>13244456
>western society's predominate language that evolved from latin/greek that have been the main operating system for the past 500 or so years
>not understanding the basic fundamentals of language

Yikes! What an angry response to a completely fair assessment.
Learn to code, my dude.

[Anonymous No.13244500]

>>13243896
>majority published today are women
Does that have to do with the quality of the literature? No, it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.13244519]

>>13243842
Based Mel

[Anonymous No.13244529]

>>13244469
Maybe it's cause I'm a woman or maybe it's cause I'm literally in love with a dead poet (his highness' dog at Kew), but the more I look into the books written by men, the more I find female characters less interesting and less interesting and less interesting. Because of this, I feel disappointed to read a book about a man who writes poems and is a poet, in any genre. It's not a real book and I just feel really bad about it (and in fact I feel kinda bad for both male and female readers of all genders, which is also not a personal problem – I know it's horrible but I feel disappointed about how it's been represented, and I'm just mad that no other man in the world writes anything but fiction…).

[Anonymous No.13244536]

>>13244460
Wouldn’t be surprise if the rise of fundies as a political bloc helped.

[Anonymous No.13244539]

>>13244356
It unironically reads like "rambling of mediocre white middle class male"; and don't get me wrong the writing at parts is fucking great as is the humour (at least when it's not going too try hard with the build up) but the content itself is hardly worth the words it took to write it. Shit is so painfully empty, lacking any hint of insight or fresh perspective, it's almost impressive how someone clearly intelligent with great command of the language couldn't say a thing in thousand fucking pages.

Also fuck the excessive footnotes.

And obviously the fanboys are extra obnoxious, though it's unfair to use the fanbase against the work, so let's not go there.

>>13244434
Bullshit. Writing authentic female characters as a male is nothing special; there are thousands of examples who did it. An author struggling with something so basic has issues beyond writing.

[Anonymous No.13244546]

>>13244529
What the hell are you talking about? You sound hysterical.

[Anonymous No.13244558]

>>13244529
What?

[Anonymous No.13244614]

>>13244546
>>13244558
Improve your reading comprehension. I was talking about how the Western Canon is in and of itself a truly vernacular system: in the early 20th century, it was the "old canon". It was the canon established by the English language's pre-Enlightenment authors, who had been writing for hundreds of years, but with some important differences from the English translation. Here are some of the major points:

It is now written, in English (in the modern British Isles, and, as I have shown above) in the language you know as English;

It is based on the "old Canon" in the 16th and 17th century that began in 1260, when the first true English translation was published and written by Robert Cotton. It is not a copy of an earlier translation, but has been made up from many fragments.

The source for the original canon, which originated in Latin, was, I will argue in Chapter 3, John's Gospel. The only evidence that the canon began in either Latin or Hebrew was in John's Gospel, which had, in itself, a large corpus of sources: books written by John's contemporaries, some of which are extant. The earliest text is from the first century A.D., from the first century, probably from around A.D. 565, and it is called the Gospel of Jude.

[Anonymous No.13244615]

>>13244539
Keep in mind he was on a powerful dose of anti-depressants through most of his life.

I seem to get the feeling that this book will hold a new place within the coming decades as mass media begins to really corrode people's connections between each other.
You've got matter-of-fact running through the gears prose of characters daily lives, interspersed with sections of genuine beauty and emotion, that seemingly get diminished by yet another endnote that is introduced.
Seems like a good structure to convey the nature of how people are living now. I know my life, and the lives of everyone I know, seem to follow this new, mundane and data-drenched world we're in.
That's where I feel the real power of the novel lies. It conveys a desperate disconnection in a very eerie and believable way.

[Anonymous No.13244649]

>>13244614
What is your fucking point, imbecile.

[Anonymous No.13244659]

>>13244649
The Western Canon is not just English literature but all literature of Europe.

[Anonymous No.13244664]

>>13244659
When did I say it wasn't? Why would I exclude French, Russian, German, the Bible, Ancient Greek, and Roman literature? What are you going on about?

[Anonymous No.13244666]

>>13244659
Profound.

[Anonymous No.13244671]

>>13244659
You gotta be shitting me lmao. What a twist.

[Anonymous No.13244672]

>>13244659
>he thinks European Culture is a real thing

[Anonymous No.13244694]

>>13244664
Here >>13243893
>>13244672
Never claimed that

[Anonymous No.13244700]

>>13244659
First of all retard Europe and Europeans are a social construct, secondly there's no such thing as good or bad literature.

[Anonymous No.13244703]

>>13243791
Whatever do you mean, fellow white man?

[Anonymous No.13244713]

>>13244615
>Keep in mind he was on a powerful dose of anti-depressants through most of his life.
That sure explains why the thing feels so lifeless overall.

>It conveys a desperate disconnection in a very eerie and believable way.
I don't disagree and the structure does indeed a good job to get the point across ... it's just the whole idea feels too mundane and obvious to bother conveying. It's the type of thoughts I had as a moody teen. Seeing someone so much smarter and better at writing wasting their talents for that, is awkward as fuck.

[Anonymous No.13244731]

>>13243849
>I've never really read an intelligent critique of DFW and his work

All one needs to critique DFW is to listen to the retard speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52kiS1oV2k0

[Anonymous No.13244748]

>>13244500
Yeah, in a free market women are winning.

[Anonymous No.13244757]

>>13244731
Not a fan of him but the nigga is a writer and being a good speaker and a good writer are different fucking things.

[Anonymous No.13244761]

>>13243939
>S-SHUT IT DOWN

[Anonymous No.13244772]

>>13244672
>Occident/Europe no real
Is this the latest chapo trope?

[Anonymous No.13244776]

>>13244713
Keep in mind you were probably a teen during the time where these thoughts of technological progress diminishing human interaction were taking shape and gestating in the culture.
IJ came out before the big dotcom boom that was looming, after the flash and pan of the 80s where corporatism was marketed as so shiny and amazing; people were getting fed stories of success and triumph daily, so much so to the point where it began to really negatively affect the lives of people. Take a look at how we live now, where so many fantasize about being special, having glory, gaining influence, getting into "The Show" as David put it. Strikes me that this book came out before the whole Columbine phenomena... you got two young men frustrated with their placement in the world, who wanted to "leave a lasting impression," as Eric Harris put it. It's no secret that mass killers are narcissists chasing media fame nowadays, where as a century ago it was a sick need to slaughter in silence for their own sake. Eric Harris even fantasized about Tarantino directing the movie about the killings... and now we see movies like Elephant and Zero Day.
This whole system of corporate self-perfection and branding just doesn't seem to end in a happy way. I feel like that is the biggest lesson in David's work, and life, seeing how it ended.
IJ is just a reflection of the time. That's why it's so good. It captures that feeling into a form of art.

[Anonymous No.13244790]

>>13244757

I've read Infinite Jest, a handful of his short stories, endured a few of his awful essays, and half of Pale King. He writes as he speaks, which some would say is what you're supposed to do as a writer (it isn't), and conveys the same ballooned statements that spin around mundane idea ultimately saying nothing. Infinite Jest is fun and utterly hallow. He's a talented writer. That a country responsible for Melville, Hawthorne, Whitman and The Lost Generation should at this point champion David fucking Foster Wallace as one of its titans is disappointing. What the literary canon needs at this moment is less weed-addicted nerds raised in academia and more homegrown talents, ala Hemingway and Faulkner, or raging drunkards, ala Bukowski and Mailer, to trounce these fucking dweebs. Academia killed literature and produced the sort of dumb cunts responsible for the book in OP's image.

[Anonymous No.13244799]

>>13244790
Well, shit.

ideas* and hollow* before /lit/ jumps my dick.

[Anonymous No.13244819]

>>13243791
The entire world is a /pol/ parody by this point.

[Anonymous No.13244822]

>>13244772
europe is literally a bug on asia's ass. we don't call india a separate continent but a subcontinent. there's no reason why europe shouldn't be a subcontinent

[Anonymous No.13244825]

>>13244790
I feel like this whole criticizing people for living privileged lives is outdated and silly. Don't confuse someone's pain and lower social standing as authenticity.
They're American for heck's sake. Modern Americans can live like the kings of the 12th century with the amount of food and jesters they intake.

[Anonymous No.13244829]

>>13244822
what?

[Anonymous No.13244831]

>>13244772
Fuck of E.U. defense force

[Anonymous No.13244861]

>>13244831
again, what?

[Anonymous No.13244862]

>>13244825
> I feel like this whole criticizing people for living privileged lives is outdated and silly
Who's criticizing anybody for a privileged life? Hemingway was privileged. He was a "homegrown" talent in that he developed his writing while living in the world, versus Wallace, Franzen, Diaz and other similar big names who were trained in MFA programs. Tolstoy was privileged; lived a life; taught himself to write; and took a giant steaming shit upon the idea of trained writers in What is Art. This isn't a lambast against privileged lives but the ruination of literature at the hands of those who come from the same mill and produce the same celebrated mediocrity.

>Don't confuse someone's pain and lower social standing as authenticity.
Nowhere in my post did I suggest that a lower class lifestyle creates "authenticity."

[Anonymous No.13244871]

>people thinking a novel has to ENTIRELY UNIQUE and a fucking philosophical/self-help doctrine

You're all a part of the DFW was criticizing so hard in IJ, and you lack the self-awareness to even know it. Keep demanding these perfect things all your life, and see what addictions/coping mechanisms you'll gather.

[Anonymous No.13244873]

>>13244776
>thoughts of technological progress diminishing human interaction were taking shape and gestating in the culture.
Weren't they there with introduction of any kind of new medium, back to the times of Gutenberg press? Alarmism about technology and technological progress seem to run hand in hand. And sure, the predictions appear a lot more realistic now but overall humanity has a crappy record at predicting how everything will go to shit.

>Take a look at how we live now, where so many fantasize about being special, having glory, gaining influence, getting into "The Show"
Sounds like a logical evolution of muh American dream.

>It's no secret that mass killers are narcissists chasing media fame nowadays, where as a century ago it was a sick need to slaughter in silence for their own sake.
Chasing fame and attention feels pretty much given for most people, it just got a lot easier in the recent decades. There are different types of sick fucks, and it's not like the killers who kill for their own sake stopped and became all wannabe celebs.

>IJ is just a reflection of the time. It captures that feeling into a form of art
Can't argue against that and there is obvious value in works like that ... just for me it's not enough to make something good.

>>13244790
Pretty much muh thoughts on him. It's still unfair to have a go at him for being a shitty speaker.

[Anonymous No.13244880]

>>13244862
>What the literary canon needs at this moment is less weed-addicted nerds raised in academia and more homegrown talents

You most certainly implied it. Damn, Russian bots really do a good job at sowing classist disdain in the west, don't they?

SOVIETS RISE UP! THEY WILL EAT THEMSELVES WHILE WE WATCH, COMRADES.

[Anonymous No.13244884]

>>13244871
>people thinking a novel has to ENTIRELY UNIQUE and a fucking philosophical/self-help doctrine
Absolutely fucking not. And perfection is a dumb, unreachable meme.

A novel still has to say something new and offer some fresh insights, otherwise what's even the point?

[Anonymous No.13244890]

>>13244884
A good story about other people's lives?

[Anonymous No.13244891]

i just want to read the books i like and talk about them, why are girls so mean?

[Anonymous No.13244894]

>>13244880
Sounds more like criticism against cookie cutter MFA program graduates.

[Anonymous No.13244903]

>>13244890
There are too fucking many of these either way. A good story about other people's lives, that gives me some at least slightly adjusted perspective is hardly that big of an ask.

[Anonymous No.13244910]

>>13243791
/pol/ is always right

[Anonymous No.13244923]

>>13243842
>>13244519

i was thinking this was william gibson lol

[Anonymous No.13244931]

>>13244659
>>13244614
>>13244529
>>13243867
Whoa, so this is the power of female thought

[Anonymous No.13244932]

>>13244880
You're right. I deliberately used Hemingway and Tolstoy, two authors born into wealth, as examples of talent as a means of hiding my true aim of "sowing classist disdain" in a thread dedicated to discussing literature and its present fall. Oust yourself sooner as a fucking retard and I won't have to waste my time responding, moron.

[Anonymous No.13244949]

>>13243764
And then one day, for no reason at all, people elected Hitler.

[Anonymous No.13244951]

>>13244932
How am I a moron? You misused language, not paying enough attention to the tone of your words. You created a clear distinction between the Academic literati, and "homegrown" talents.

It's not my fault you suck at the English language, idiot.

[Anonymous No.13244961]

>>13244932
For real, you sound like a little bitch boy.
Maybe think a little, and one day you'll be published! Good boy!

[Anonymous No.13244965]

>>13244951
>How am I a moron?
>and "homegrown" talents
Hemingway. Faulkner. Americans. Literary Canon. Theme of thread. Follow? No? I'll use simple sentences. Get you there. Step by step.

[Anonymous No.13244968]

>>13243896
based

[Anonymous No.13244981]

>>13244965
You still created a classist distinction between "homegrown," ala natural, without finesse, amateurish, and "Academia," which conveys images of slaved-over and, in modern American usage, completely Industrial and lacking any real substance.
I can follow the thread just fine, but I can't follow your dumbass, entry-level perception of literature based on irrelevant distinctions between echelons of writers.

[Anonymous No.13244992]

>>13244965
And also you fail to comprehend just how extensive language was taught in school to people younger in the times of those writers.

[Anonymous No.13244994]

>>13244923
I read it like gibbons

[Anonymous No.13245027]

>>13243764
>a humor book about white americans by a white american
Wow, the peak of social justice.

[Anonymous No.13245047]

>>13243898
Looks like meme magic desu

[Anonymous No.13245325]

>>13243764
The biggest irony of all is that the kind of women who buy this book are the same ones who constantly date the guy on the cover. You'll notice the fixation with particular authors and article of clothing - its all the signifiers of being "literary". But despite mocking this, their fixation betrays the fact that they see the world in this way, where everything (hobbies, interests, how you present yourself, the authors you read) is a form of consumption, an extension of fashion. Social media works this way and cultivates this mindset. It's no wonder this book is based off of a twitter. So when a woman who thinks herself snarky and cultured goes out to date, they're not interested in someone who is knowledgeable about literature but looks like a slob. Even their dating choices are extensions of consumption - they want a man who looks literary, who wears tweed jackets and sweaters with elbow patches. Or someone who is "artsy", in that they have an apartment with instagram-worthy house plants and dress the part. The reason why this twitter account and book get attention is a sort of masochism, a way to make themselves feel aloof from the same strata of society that they belong to, only they've replaced the canon with a handful of NYT bestseller sob stories and painfully mediocre pseudo-feminist poetry. It's true that some men fall into a pattern of reading (Hemingway, Nabakov, Franzen) that is stagnant and boring. But the type of woman who buys this book is also a part of a homogeneous cultural malaise, one that is slightly more contemporary but just as boring, lifeless, and unoriginal.

[Anonymous No.13245349]

>>13243798
11
legitimately a redditor

[Anonymous No.13245359]

>>13245325
Middle class white people were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.13245382]

>>13243883
t. reddit

[Anonymous No.13245393]

>>13245325
Modern urbanites are some of the most shallow people around

[Anonymous No.13245515]

>>13245325
>The reason why this twitter account and book get attention is a sort of masochism, a way to make themselves feel aloof from the same strata of society that they belong to
DFW makes a similar point in E Unibus Pluram

[Anonymous No.13245545]

This reeks of jealous passive-aggression.

[Anonymous No.13245581]

>>13243791
>Schwartz
>Katzenstein

[Anonymous No.13245710]

>>13243842
Possibly the most based thing I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.13245730]

>>13244356
>"Professor H Bloom's turgid studies of artistic influenza"
>David Foster Wallace
kek
Canonjew forever and truly BTFO

[Anonymous No.13246041]

>>13244005
Could you give me your number or some sort of contact information so we could talk, I'd like to be your friend.

[Anonymous No.13246221]

>>13243764
this book is just some twitter asshole profiting off her antipathy toward her ex-boyfriends by parroting dull, half a decade out of style cliches about American MFA fiction writers and their readers. utterly fucking boring

[Anonymous No.13246238]

>>13246221
>utterly fucking boring
Just like
>American MFA fiction writers and their readers
then.

[Anonymous No.13246324]

>>13243764
Totally undecided politically but I'd vote for whoever shot this guy. I guess that just makes me American.

[Anonymous No.13246385]

>>13243842
What the fuck the guy who wrote Neuromancer is this much of a conser-

OHHHH BASED MEL

[Anonymous No.13246445]

>>13243898
the virgin author

[Anonymous No.13246492]

>>13243791
uh....

[Anonymous No.13246501]

I just fucking realized this whole
Book is a tongue and cheek joke and not some diatribe against white men ( it is ) but it’s really more about cream puff college bro’s. That’s amazin.

[Anonymous No.13246534]

>>13243791
WHAT THE FUCK POL WAS RIGHT AGAIN

[Anonymous No.13246559]

>>13244731
he is fucking wrong about prior and posterior if he means before as in temporally prior.

[Anonymous No.13246678]

>>13243791
I can't help but notice now but I want to go back

[Anonymous No.13246681]

>>13244356
>asks for intelligent critiques
>gets "i don't like his female characters" and "he's a white male and that paper could be used on fresh perspectives"

[Anonymous No.13246718]

>>13246681
>reee, you don't like what I like

[Anonymous No.13246740]

>>i'm going to deflect from how i immediately demonstrated that guy's point by saying you're mad

[Anonymous No.13246827]

>>13243791
Its reality and the world is finally waking up to this kike bullshit

[Anonymous No.13246841]

>>13243764
So a liberal is pretending to know what the definition of "white" is, again?

[Anonymous No.13246861]

>>13244390
>only $150
your shoes probably suck. look for something with good leather and a welted or stitched soles and they'll last years without discoloring too much. you'll also be able to maintain them more easily and take them to a cobbler when the soles wear through.

[Anonymous No.13246908]

>>13243794
You do know that you can just say you're a kike, right?

[Anonymous No.13246914]

>>13243764
>Nabokov (originator of the emoticon)
Umm... It was Louis Armstrong, sweetie. Jesus, get woke.

[Anonymous No.13247138]

>>13244949
It had mostly to do with th economic situation.

[Anonymous No.13247160]

>>13243764
This book needs a greek statue in a dark room as the cover and it would be certified based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.13247212]

>>13244539
so your critique is "i don't want to read white men"

[Anonymous No.13247270]

>>13243764
This is slick advertising.....


the publisher hired an intern to write this and make it look like a reader post...

it is subtle but I can tell.

[Anonymous No.13247271]

>>13243888
>He lit a cigarette. His glass of whiskey lit a cigarette.
That was the only thing remotely "funny" in this bit. The rest was cringing resentment.

Grats on trips anon

[Anonymous No.13247283]

>>13243898
>cool woke white male writer shits on white male writers
>doesn't know there's an apostrophe in "three days' scruff"

[Anonymous No.13247338]

>>13247270
Who would they advertise an anti white book to on 4chan, besides butterfly

[Anonymous No.13247350]

>>13243791
I was anti-/pol/ too four years ago.

[Anonymous No.13247354]

>>13243863
>montaigne
I understand amerimutt like to flaunt their 1/16th heritage but it doesn't work here. Montaigne is a goy even according to the experts (Nuremberg laws).

[Anonymous No.13247367]

>>13243888
i liked the joke about circumcision

[Anonymous No.13247472]

>>13243898
>unkempt hair
>three days scruff
omg this is literally me

[Anonymous No.13247651]

>>13244923
haha same

[Anonymous No.13247714]

>>13243898
>Dana Schwartz
>Man's Guide to White Male

why I am not surprised that the book about smart mans thing was written by a pathetic
90 iq woman.

[Anonymous No.13247718]

>>13243898

[Anonymous No.13247787]

>>13247212
Pretty sure it rather boils down to: "He says nothing of interest to me but does it in an entertaining way at times."
And since reading doesn't appear to be your forte, let me empathise the ME. If you found his rambling insightful and valuable, all the power to you.

As for the "middle class white male" it's definitely a contributing factor that lowers the likelihood of him having to say something, but it's not like Proust and Pinecone couldn't overcome it.

[Anonymous No.13247798]

I don’t think this book is criticizing all white men, what they’re criticizing is you fedora lords. Normalfags hardly read so it’s clearly directed at (You)

[Anonymous No.13247819]

>>13247798
That pic makes me thing of this.

[Anonymous No.13247830]

>>13243791
Stop noticing and pointing out things
Its just the 666666666th coincidence

[Anonymous No.13247831]

>>13247819
I’ll give it a read sometime

[Anonymous No.13247834]

>>13247798
lol at the bummy small country losers who keep freaking out over an interstate oasis

[Anonymous No.13247841]

>>13244529
Based for loving Pope's poetry and thereby him. Time is an illusion, you live neither here nor there. My point being that perhaps one day you will find someone comparable for your affections; live no longer in love's antiquated slaughter house.

[Anonymous No.13247848]

>>13244529
what the fuck are you even saying

you think jk rowling wrote good male characters?

[Anonymous No.13247855]

It's okay to be BLVCK

[Anonymous No.13247859]

>>13243888
ain't this bitch be a dude now?

[Anonymous No.13247861]

>>13243984
This is clearly because we have a taste for escapism from our own ignorance, which whips upon our backs.

We have a fetish for forgetting all values. Naturally, this results in the death of taste, as Art is the most powerful articulation and recapitulation of our values, cultural forces and currents.

We are proud to reiterate empty sentiments, as long as they comfort us.

Fuck Rupi Kaur, literally, viciously, hopefully hard enough such that she can never write again, and barely bear to breathe.

[Anonymous No.13247877]

>>13247861
and all other neoliberal domesticated scum.
I'd take anyone with genuine passions over those robots anyday

[Anonymous No.13247884]

>>13243984
>it is bestseller so it has to be good

ad populum. fuck off.

[Anonymous No.13247972]

>>13247841
Thank you. I love Alexander. I will never go anywhere without them.
>>13247848
Yes. In the early 1990s Harry was still an adolescent and was in the midst of becoming much worse at sex than he was at magic. He was in love with Miss Granger and was very attracted to Draco Malfoy. There was one other Harry Potter who did not want sex and that was Harry Potter in the first film (2007) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. The story has been rewritten and rewritten and rewritten so he would eventually fall for Hermione Granger in 2007. However in the fourth film he does eventually find something sexual with Ginny Granger (Ginny Weasley in the film), and in the fifth film Harry still does not act like the Harry we knew would do such androgyny. I think that speaks volumes to our current (or past-current) issue.

[Anonymous No.13247998]

>>13247884
>ad populum. fuck off.

[Anonymous No.13248050]

>>13247998
not even an argument. Stop evidenciating as the absolute moron you're.

Go to lie on the bed reading fucking rupi kaurs until your estrogenous levels are enough high for cutting your dick off.

[Anonymous No.13248071]

>>13248050
>not even an argument. Stop evidenciating as the absolute moron you're.
>Go to lie on the bed reading fucking rupi kaurs until your estrogenous levels are enough high for cutting your dick off.

[Anonymous No.13248092]

>ad populum fuck off!!

[Anonymous No.13248104]

>>13244873
>Weren't they there with introduction of any kind of new medium, back to the times of Gutenberg press? Alarmism about technology and technological progress seem to run hand in hand.

Considering all the horror Gutenberg’s crew ion facilitated, they probably weren’t wrong. I’d wager that our track record is much better than your realize only because the negative flecks of one new technology have eventually been displaced by those of another.

[Anonymous No.13248106]

>>13248071
kid, learn how logic works. You cannot imply something is good because everyone likes it or its a common habit. Coninuing with this argument, beating wives in middle east is as aceptable as anything else.

[Anonymous No.13248207]

>>13243764
I would be more impressed if it was written by white men.

[Anonymous No.13248217]

>>13248106
>talks about logic
>compares wife beating with art

[Anonymous No.13248238]

>>13248217
Well, wife beating is the logical extension of Vox Populi, Vox Dei. Just because a majority thinks something is no proof of its validity, in fact it is usually the opposite in my experience.

[Anonymous No.13248336]

>>13243764
>these yid creeps sincerely believe that people outside their ethnoreligious cult enjoy the literature of "Franzen, Lethem or Safran Foer."
A great example of the arrogant and self-congratulatory nature of the Jew. The mind of the kike is so demented and parochial that he honestly thinks we white male 'lit bros' deeply admire their talentless artists and trained pets.

The only fans of that NYT middlebrow Jew shit are upper middle class liberals i.e fellow Jews. Nobody else. But Jews honestly think that because they give themselves cushy teaching positions, degrees from prestigious universities, and fawning media coverage and awards, the goyim respect their "artistic achievement."

The entire culture industry is just an affirmative action program for mediocre kikes

[Anonymous No.13248377]

>>13243849
Thank you Small Moosefoot. Please write a great Native American novel.

[Anonymous No.13248388]

>>13248336
and they've managed to done it. while the wh*tes have done what..? cry that they can't say nigger anymore?

[Anonymous No.13248427]

>>13248238
Apples and oranges, nigga. Context and reasons that make people think wife beating is acceptable are ... slightly fucking different from context and reasons why people do enjoy a certain work of art over another. It's laughable to even attempt comparing these, even for a shitpost discussion.

And as shitty as majority appeal is of a metric it's the most objective one we have.

[Anonymous No.13248450]

>>13243764
That not a very inclusive title

[Anonymous No.13248522]

>>13243849
Based Savage

[Anonymous No.13248540]

>>13248427
There is no difference at all between the two, attempt to defend that there is

[Anonymous No.13248551]

>>13248427
is called logics, and it is applicable for every example you can give because it works universally, fool. I beg you to stop posting in this board and go somewhere else to study logics before saying such stupidities

[Anonymous No.13248553]

>>13243791
Anon this is merely a coincidence

[Anonymous No.13248555]

>>13243764
Why do people on Twitter think everyone cares about Brooklyn? I've never even been to the US before. Fuck off and keep your squabbles amongst yourselves rather than publishing this inane shit.

[Anonymous No.13248585]

>>13243791
wow somebody is waking up out of the cave!

[Anonymous No.13248607]

>>13248585
How did they pass the fire lfmao Socrates a retard

[Anonymous No.13248695]

>>13248551
T-this has to be irony-posting, r-right?

[Anonymous No.13248704]

>>13247798
What this picture doesn’t show is the thousands of acres of forrest and private property that surround it. Meanwhile this is the norm for MILES in cities.

[Anonymous No.13248738]

>>13248695
Man, what i hate the most of people like you is that never are ready for learning. Your disease i dare to say is ignorance of the own ignorance. I'll try better to reasoning with my dog

[Anonymous No.13248774]

>>13248738
Not sure you're ready to handle the mental capacity of a dog. It's fucking painful to watch when someone is so blatantly unaware of their limitations.

[Anonymous No.13248780]

>>13248774
sure is easier than try reasoning with this guy

>>13248427

[Anonymous No.13248848]

What I hate the most after reading that post is the fact that, despite living in a different continent, I know exactly what "riding the L" means because brooklynites and people who hate them won't shut the fuck up about some subway line.

[Anonymous No.13248931]

>>13243898
the ironic thing is that these type of people are the most likely to be sjw, he looks like john green btw

[Anonymous No.13248940]

>>13244529

[Anonymous No.13248957]

>>13244529

This is the first post on 4chan that I truly believe was written by a woman. No man could write so much and yet say so little

[Anonymous No.13248971]

>>13244790
I agree with like 90% of this. But to claim Melville wasn't a nerd? Did you read Moby-Dick? All of it??

[Anonymous No.13249024]

>>13248971
He was a nerd in the sense of dedicating himself to a topic like some autist. Not this type of nerd >>13243898

[Anonymous No.13249070]

>>13247718
based honorary white male

[Anonymous No.13249073]

>>13243791

/pol/ parody is an oxymoron

[Anonymous No.13249084]

>>13243764

this joke was already made 20 years ago. Now it just seems cliche.

[Anonymous No.13249091]

>>13248555

Brooklyn is pretty awesome, parts of it anyway. It's also swarming with hipsters so it's easy to make fun of.

[Anonymous No.13249104]

>>13243764
>Jason Adam Katzenstein

google is cartoons. They're not even remotely funny. The guy is a bore.

[Anonymous No.13249116]

>>13244095

>liberal jews

being a liberal jew means you're not very religious.
A conservative Jew is much more religious
An orthodox jews is bat shit insane religious

It has nothing to do with politics.

[Anonymous No.13249135]

>>13243764
>mansplain
More like Hebrewsplain, amirite?
:-)

[Anonymous No.13249205]

>>13243851
Yeah this

[Anonymous No.13249294]

>>13248336
>If they’re not Jews they’re still Jews, my god, can’t you see how insidious these Zionistic Heebs are?

[Anonymous No.13249344]

>>13243838
>>13243867
>>13244529
>>13244614
>>13244659

[Anonymous No.13249358]

Yikes OP. Get laid.

[Anonymous No.13249388]

>>13243898

This picture is lit incarnate, no wonder you're all having a hissy fit about it.

[Anonymous No.13249400]

>>13247714
“Dana” is a unisex name, retard.

[Anonymous No.13249719]

>>13243930
>t. never read Woolf
They ARE continuing the tradition of Woolf by bitching and whining about men, male literature and tradition.

[Anonymous No.13249728]

>>13246908
I'm not a kike though

[Anonymous No.13249738]

>>13249344
based and redpilled
those were some cringe posts, they reeked of onions and low t
bluepilled npcs btfo

[Anonymous No.13249761]

>>13249400
In Hebrew, it's a definite female name.

[Anonymous No.13249768]

>>13249738
Your mockery doesn't prove you right.

[Anonymous No.13249922]

>>13249768
desperation proves you wrong tho

[Anonymous No.13250162]

>>13248427
Holy shit, just with this one post you've demonstrated that you dont even understand basic logic.

[Anonymous No.13250173]

>>13243764

[Anonymous No.13250185]

>>13243828
Mark Zuckerberg's sister is another kook who does that

[Anonymous No.13250265]

>>13243808
you should write it

[Anonymous No.13250391]

>>13243791
Merely a coincidence, move along now...

[Anonymous No.13250454]

>>13243888
/lit/ humour and memes is just making fun and hyperbolizing writers and Anons, this is the same, but its bad becuz WAMEN. Get a grip.

[Anonymous No.13250656]

>>13250454
It just goes to show toxic and fragile the male ego is.
>inb4 a dozen (You)s proving my point

[Anonymous No.13250694]

>>13250656
do you think men react more poorly to criticism than women on average?

[Anonymous No.13250696]

>>13250454
>WAMEN
Wrong again, sweaty

[Anonymous No.13250700]

where's the sequel to this book? you know, the one where women write shitty novels and short stories about vaginas and hating men, and write shitty poems about vaginas and hating men.
I can't wait for that one

[Anonymous No.13250713]

>>13250696
that quote just blew my mind, not gonna lie

[Anonymous No.13250720]

>>13244923
i was hoping it was

[Anonymous No.13250730]

>>13243764
>MFA
>L train
>Williamsburg
>Brooklyn
Yeah, fuck those white male New Yorkers. It is time for these white female New Yorkers to shine! Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.13250768]

>>13250173
lol

[Anonymous No.13250777]

>>13250730
Why do you hate white people so much?

[Anonymous No.13250785]

redpill me on this thread
is it worth reading?

[Anonymous No.13250845]

>>13250785
yes

[Anonymous No.13250848]

>>13250785
no. i'm only here because my ego is easily damaged.

[Anonymous No.13250867]

>>13250785
no

[Anonymous No.13250907]

>>13250785
maybe

[Anonymous No.13250994]

>>13243791
>two white authors

ugh, wheres the PoC

[Anonymous No.13251018]

>>13243858
They're literally lampooning those guys who agree with everything they say and are super feminist, but then stop short of "all white men should shut up and pay for queer POC to attend college/get published in their place."

[Anonymous No.13251029]

>>13250777
Get laid poltard. Im sick and tired of the shit tier 0/8 bait we keep getting from the deranged rednecks over at pol.

[Anonymous No.13251042]

>>13250994
Wait, you mean giving voices to POCs was not about crackers voicing their thoughts about darkies?

[Anonymous No.13251079]

The thing that gets me is that the type of woman who would love this book - devour it, post about it, recommend it to her friends and orbiters, reference it incessantly, etc - either a. immediately falls/has fallen for a man exactly as described, or b. begs her tinder hookups to degrade and choke her in bed. Jesus, it really all comes down to sexual pathology, for everyone, every single time. The shittier we're treated the more we love. We have to justify why we're with the man or woman we're with, and we hamster that into adoration. Every single time. I've never, ever, ever met a #feminist who didn't love being choked and slapped.

[Anonymous No.13251093]

>>13251079
>using "hamster" unironically
>projecting your cumbrain worldview onto everyone else

[Anonymous No.13251106]

>>13243984
>Meanwhile male poets are laughed out of the cafes

Take a break from the internet man

[Anonymous No.13251127]

>>13251093
>cumbrain
>implying you wouldn't have disagreed if he didn't use hamster

[Anonymous No.13251137]

>>13251079
How the fuck is consensual choking and slapping against feminism?

[Anonymous No.13251177]

>>13250994
>two white authors
What book are you talking about? Certainly not OP's that for sure.

[Anonymous No.13251262]

>>13251177
>jews aren't white

[Anonymous No.13251268]

>>13250785
i don't know

[Anonymous No.13251387]

>>13251137
The fact that you had to include "consensual" is the reason why.

[Anonymous No.13251550]

>>13251106
Fuck nvm, am I really so tired as to not read enough of that post to notice it's supposed to be "anti-SJW" bait?

Good night you wicked males. Shall we all try and treat each other kindly tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.13251654]

>>13244356
Here's a criticism I wrote on /lit/ a few years ago that I still standby. I think the anon who mentioned how DFW is still in the same tradition of mediocrity that produced him is also correct.

When DFW mentions PoMo Irony I always felt he is talking about a very specific, niche problem limited to postwar middle-class America, and experienced only by people who have both the time and intelligence to consume that culture in vast amounts. In his essay on Dostoevsky, he sort of sums up his problem with irony in that in prevents authentic expression. Authentic expression and people, to DFW, was captured by the drama/philosophy in The Idiot, TBK, or Crime and Punishment; characters who developed honest schema based off their (unknowingly limited) information and experience, and tried to apply them to the "big questions", the one's concerning identity, metaphysics, ethics, etc.

But with irony, the authentic conflict between the individual and the world becomes diluted, and instead of the individual proposing an answer, the individual takes down answers other proposes. Or, the irony instead pushes the authentic conflict into the background, while a self-consciously less authentic conflict takes place in the foreground. DFW thought both types of irony had become too prominent in the literary world, with the likes of Pynchon or Gaddis who made (knowingly, he seems to imply at some points) Stephen Deadalus-esque books: esoteric, hyperintellectual, and with a 2smart4u attiude. That Dosto essay attempts to structurally reflects this writing, with Wallace stuffing in existential questions in-between his review on why Dosto is still interesting.

Now where Dave falls apart is that he tried to reconcile the supposed divide between hyperirony and authentic living. Unfortunately he never seemed to pull off either quite well, writing a 1,000 page doorstopper with over 400 footnotes, while at the same time making it a thoroughly easy-read and about the same ethical solutions of an Oprah book club. We see the worst of it in Hal Incadenza, whom DFW sought to make an intellectual but isolated as his own fault, but instead comes off as neither. His intellect barely comes off as being shocking (Kierkegaard influencing Camus is underrated?) and his isolation never feels quite as persuasive as K's, Ishmael's, or Stephen's, or the Bartlebly's narrator, or Pessoa's, or any really any canon author whose tackled authenticy vs. irony or intellect vs isolation or whatever. Nevermind the weakness of the adversting or consumer culture themes; Joyce covered the issue brilliantly in Bloom, what with personal hygiene being tied to a cultural imperialist force, which also ties to advertising being used to internalize and create personal anxieties, while also being tied to its inherent class implications. What Joyce could do in a couplet and offhand comments, pulling from a history of soap, DFW does in 300 pages, pulling from the hyperreality of middle-class America.

[Anonymous No.13251662]

>>13243849
Have my scalp.

[Anonymous No.13251787]

>>13243764
>mansplain
What
>riding the L
What

[Anonymous No.13251989]

>>13247798
lol we're the bourgeois, we're not in MFA programs

[Anonymous No.13252342]

>>13243764
this girl's been putting me on blast for years now... ngl it's pretty rich

[Anonymous No.13252499]

>>13251262
Yes they are, they just act like they're the "good whites"

[Anonymous No.13252530]

>>13243939
/tv/ wisened up to this years ago

[Anonymous No.13252546]

>>13243791
Kek that's why I clicked on this thread

[Anonymous No.13252643]

>>13243798
>>13243794
Well played guys, and this is coming from a Bruins fan.

[Anonymous No.13252680]

>>13243791
Life is a pol parody.

[Anonymous No.13252706]

Can all of these faggots bitching about Jews go back to 2017 /pol/? It’s not interesting anymore.

[Anonymous No.13252713]

>>13252706
t. Goldbergstein

[Anonymous No.13252727]

>>13244151
if don't care about facts or history, /pol/ is very right all the time.

[Anonymous No.13252735]

>>13252706
its jews fault I can't have sex because of uhh....cultural marxism and uhhh....feminism. youtube man told me so.

[Anonymous No.13252747]

>>13252713
t. Somali-IQ 56%’er

[Anonymous No.13252760]

>>13252747
Joke's on you I'm Argentinian so I'm 100$ white

[Anonymous No.13252814]

>>13251654
Nice work, Anon. I like this.

[Anonymous No.13252860]

>>13250785
Yea its great, a lot of informed, well thought posts here.

[Anonymous No.13253185]

>>13243808
Honestly sounds like it could be a fun read

[Anonymous No.13253188]

>>13250785
With jews you lose.
There, saved you a few precious minutes reading shitpost diatribes.

[Gawain Philbert No.13253239]

>>13243898
>sneakers
ie what 90% of people that guy's age wear most of the time.
Observational comedy brought to you buy people who don't observe things.

[Anonymous No.13254353]

>>13243791
What do you mean anon ? Stop being anti semantic.