RIGHTWINGERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

[Anonymous No.13205205]

It's over. Marx gave us our economic sense. Mao gave us our Statecrafting sense. Now... Ben Burgis has given us our Common sense. It was cute watching you all decree victory so early "because trump..." but we win. The trinity is complete! :)

[Anonymous No.13205226]

>Mao the man who killed 70 million gave us our statecrafting sense
cringe

[Anonymous No.13205234]

>>13205226
And now China is about to kill the West.

[Anonymous No.13205244]

>>13205205
Nobody is fighting the left, the left is killing itself in its onslaught of any and all support. You need people to like you.

[Anonymous No.13205261]

>>13205234
NOOOOO WHAT WILL I EVER DO WITHOUT MY CHINESE JUNK AND CHINK SPYWARE? CHINA BECOMING AUTARKIC IS TRULY THE END OF THE WEST!

[Anonymous No.13205268]

>>13205234
Aren't they supposed to be doing something about that pollution?

[Anonymous No.13205305]

>>13205205
Decent book, terrible cover. Couldn't even tell if that was supposed to be Hume, or what.

[Anonymous No.13205318]

>>13205244
The left has literally never lost in the long run and this trend will only continue.

[Anonymous No.13205348]

>>13205205
>Mao gave us our Statecrafting sense
The fucking sparrows man! They're in the trees! They're in the God damned trees!

[Anonymous No.13205359]

>>13205318
1991, though.
>this trend will only continue
Yeah, we just take infinite state debt and taxpayer bailouts until the end of time.

[Anonymous No.13205362]

Reminder that in communism, trannies would be the first to go.
It's neo-liberal capitalism that is keeping you alive and giving you the freedom to LARP.

[Anonymous No.13205367]

>>13205359
>1991
Temporary setback. Just look at the arc of history from at least the Glorious Revolution onward, it bends left.

[Anonymous No.13205370]

>>13205318
>the long run
you mean the past 350ish years. Not that long of a long run all things considered, remember that civilizations collapse.

[Anonymous No.13205372]

>>13205318
Birth rates say hello.

[Anonymous No.13205380]

>>13205367
How will social democracies survive their ever-increasing state debts?
>Temporary setback.
It's been almost 30 years and East is not going leftwing.

[Anonymous No.13205387]

>>13205372
>birth rates
Why does this matter?
>>13205380
State debt doesn't matter. Just print more money. What the East wants doesn't matter, they will be subordinate to Germany which is only going leftward.

[Anonymous No.13205396]

>>13205205
>leftist argument skills
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=XdbwZbK7kGo

[Anonymous No.13205399]

>>13205367
>look at the arc of history
>except ignore most of it

[Anonymous No.13205410]

>>13205205
>Graphic design is my passion

[Anonymous No.13205415]

>>13205396
MY SIDES

[Anonymous No.13205431]

>>13205396
>I AM A MACHINE
>I MUST DESTROY COMPETITION

[Anonymous No.13205437]

>>13205387
>State debt doesn't matter. Just print more money.
You sure about that? National sovereignty over currency is fascism.

[Anonymous No.13205452]

I swear /lit/ is the cringiest board, I struggle to browse this place more than the brain dead shithole that is /x/.
Why do you lefty faggots bother coming to fucking 4chan of all places to spread your delusional reality denying drivel?

[Anonymous No.13205458]

>>13205452
>the brain dead shithole that is /x/.
Schizophrenia is not braindeadedness.

[Anonymous No.13205462]

>>13205458
It’s not the schizos that are the problem, it’s all the bad larping.

[Anonymous No.13205471]

>>13205226
What does some poor ecological and economical judgement have to do with statecrafting? Are you telling me China isn't a strong state

[Anonymous No.13205485]

>>13205205
is that soren kierkegaard?

[Anonymous No.13205491]

>>13205396
Who is this person and why should I care about what he says about an edgelord's webcomic?

[Anonymous No.13205525]

This kind of book isn't new. If anything it's just another indication that the far-left has entered the mainstream of American politics.

[Anonymous No.13205583]

>>13205452
reddit spiral nigger operations started circa 2 months ago learn2lurk incel

[Anonymous No.13205645]

leftist "common sense"
>if the government gives everyone free stuff, all of our problems will be solved

actual common sense
>Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

[Anonymous No.13205654]

>>13205645
unfortunate reality that impinges on your solution
>Some men are not interested in or capable of doing anything but stealing your fish and fishing rod

[Anonymous No.13205659]

>>13205525
>far-left
Latinocommunism with American values doesn't really align with far-leftism in the traditional sense, certainly not with Marxism-Leninism.

[Anonymous No.13205678]

>>13205645
yeah but some people are too retarded or are too physically disabled to hold their pole

[Anonymous No.13205688]

>>13205645

Keep spouting shit retard

[Anonymous No.13205698]

>>13205688
So this is the power of Leftoids giving them an argument...

[Anonymous No.13205705]

>>13205688
prove him wrong instead of slobbering over your keyboard like an actual retard.

[Anonymous No.13205715]

>>13205226
The State is a murder machine, so obviously the statesman with the highest body count is the best statesman. Imbecile :-)

[Anonymous No.13205722]

>>13205705
You're supposed to argue with everyone repeating famous sayings if noone in particular? You can say, nah fishing skills don't mean you will feed someone for life because there are a limited number of fish in the sea.

[Anonymous No.13205727]

>>13205698
whats your argument? that higher education will make people self sufficient? unfortunately in order to get an education you need to pull out student loans. but we can change that by making education free. how much did jesus charge to teach people fishing?

[Anonymous No.13205733]

>>13205727
nigger

[Anonymous No.13205736]

>>13205733
damn, so this is the power of rightoids arguments

[Anonymous No.13205740]

>>13205715
>The State is a murder machine

[Anonymous No.13205743]

>>13205736
how did you come up with that

[Anonymous No.13205752]

>>13205743
teach a man to troll and he can troll for a lifetime

[Anonymous No.13205759]

>>13205205
why does zero books have the shittiest covers
you'd think they'd have improved their design department by now

[Anonymous No.13205767]

>>13205722
There's more fish in the ocean then we could ever need (chinks withstanding).
You're wrong once again, and it wasn't about fish in the first place, it was a comparative metaphor.

[Anonymous No.13205775]

>>13205727
>but we can change that by making education free.
it's not free though, you'll just tax people more, most people that wont even benifit from """""free""""" uni, because they're already in work.

[Anonymous No.13205786]

>>13205740
jokes on you i'm not an anarchist i'm arguing for that power structures treat mass murder as a necessity, not that power structures shouldn't exist :-)

[Anonymous No.13205791]

>>13205318
>The left has literally never lost in the long run
All the left do is complain about their defeats and wring their hands neurotically in expectation of the next. Liberalism and Capitalism is what has never lost in the long run, any attempts at break away are subsumed back in to the body and used to immunise against the next attempt. It turns out that most people lose the will for revolution, of any kind, once they are made to feel secure.

[Anonymous No.13205797]

>>13205318
>Probably cries about neoliberals constantly

[Anonymous No.13205848]

>>13205318
There is a good reason for that. No one, not even self-described leftists, can consistently describe what leftism is. The overlap of beliefs between right wing and left wing thought means everyone involved in this false dichotomy will always consider themselves a winner.

[Anonymous No.13205859]

>>13205848
or youre just really confused about the difference between libs and leftists

[Anonymous No.13205865]

>>13205226
thats how you know op is outrageposting

[Anonymous No.13205891]

>>13205859
I bet you think that leftism and liberalism are mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.13205893]

>>13205234
>the west
America*

[Anonymous No.13205904]

>>13205318
liberals are not "the left", fatboy

[Anonymous No.13205917]

American hours, worst hours

[Anonymous No.13205927]

>>13205891
libs are capitalists, love free markets, and at most would fight for sucdem policies. so yeah, they're incompatible with worker ownership of the means of production. but strategic coalitions with libs can mean progress for leftists, so maybe youre thinking that makes us ideologically the same?

[Anonymous No.13205938]

>>13205927
The real horseshoe theory is that Tankies and the Alt-Right paint the same picture of their enemies but call it different names

[Anonymous No.13205939]

>>13205927
>leftism is defined by worker's ownership of production
That guy was right about leftists not be able to consistently or accurately define what "leftism" means.

[Anonymous No.13205946]

>>13205927
Marxist socialists have appropriated the term 'leftist' when it never referred to them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.13205952]

>SUBSCRIBING TO THE DICHOTOMY

YIKES

[Anonymous No.13205954]

>>13205946
Are non-marxist socialists also left-wing? why aren't marxist socialists left-wing? what is 'marxism' btw? forgive me i am a humble moron

[Anonymous No.13205964]

>>13205954
Left wing originally referred to the liberal republicans in the French Revolution and can sensibly be applied to basically anyone who is left wing of some variety, which includes but is not limited to socialists.

You may as well say only absolute Monarchists are rightists.

[Anonymous No.13205969]

>>13205939
any leftist would agree with that goal. wtf are you talking about?

>>13205938
jews for the alt right and capitalists for tankies?

>>13205946
you mean the "left wing" of revolutionary france? yeah, presumably they meant radical change from monarchy towards liberal capitalism. but its 2019 not the 18th century. lots of terms have changed since the 18th century. whats your point?

[Anonymous No.13205971]

>>13205964
Finally a sensible response

[Anonymous No.13205972]

>>13205767
>doesn't realised my point about fish was the extension of the metaphor to the issue of scarcity
>durr the left can't argue hurr
Please go back to /pol/. Left-right, so long as it is an economic policy issue, does not belong in /lit/.

[Anonymous No.13205975]

>>13205927
>>13205969
>Hurr if u don't support seizing the means of production you're not leftist
are all you freaks this delusional?

[Anonymous No.13205978]

>>13205969
my point is that Marxists don't have a monopoly on language and the term 'leftist' is used just as often to describe left-liberals as socialists. I brought up the history of the term to show that they don't have any sort of reasonable claim to using the word only to refer to their segment of the broader left.

[Anonymous No.13205985]

>>13205978
You're treating Marxists as if they're a priori incapable of having reasonable claims to the use of language. Are you sure you want to do that?

[Anonymous No.13205986]

>>13205975
its rightwingers that put libs and leftists in the same category. libs are capitalists, thats why they arent leftists. whats so hard to understand about this lol.

[Anonymous No.13205992]

>>13205985
The use of a historical example makes it pretty clearly a posteriori. Marxists can use the word Leftist however they wish, but when other people use it in a different way they have no grounds to sperg out about it, since they themselves altered the original meaning of the term.

[Anonymous No.13206001]

lolno

[Anonymous No.13206002]

>>13205986
>its rightwingers that put libs and leftists in the same category
No retard. It's the general public.
>libs are capitalists, thats why they arent leftists.
You're delusional and have no sense of the Overton window, by your standards only 3% of America is leftist because only 3% of Americans identify as Marxist. A left wing person is someone in favour of egalitarianism.

[Anonymous No.13206007]

>>13205645
Read that in the Civ IV voice

[Anonymous No.13206010]

>>13206002

then marxists arent leftists. were very critical of elagitarianism. and ehat you said is accurate. leftists arent very big as a group. most people are liberals.

[Anonymous No.13206011]

>>13205205
>Marx gave us our economic sense. Mao gave us our Statecrafting sense
and hitler gave us our common sense

[Anonymous No.13206022]

>>13206010
>then marxists arent leftists
my pic is you
>Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy
>were very critical of elagitarianism
Yes, that's why you advocate for a classless society
>most people are liberals.
define 'liberal' you drooling /leftypol/ retard

[Anonymous No.13206042]

>>13205992
I really don't see why anybody should care that you think this.

[Anonymous No.13206049]

>>13206042
You and other Marxists don't have to care, and the rest of the world can continue to use Leftist to mean something different than you.

[Anonymous No.13206065]

>>13205986
Why even talk about left and right at all then? Or are lbtq activists somehow the real right wingers or what's the take here?

[Anonymous No.13206087]

>>13206022
youre gonna tell me what i believe? lol. a classless society doesnt mean i believe everyone is equal or should be equal. "from each according to his ability" implicitly says not everyone is equal. read the critique of the gotha program. we're not trying to make a society in which everyone is equal, but one in which we arent dominated by capitalists, where becoming a jeff bezos places you into a different category of human.

a liberal is an egalitarian and a capitalist. they think what will solve racism is having more black people become ceos and senators and movie stars, rather than through transforming our economy. liberals and leftists will agree on some things, like that racism is a problem that should be solved. but liberals dont understand the underlying causes of those problems.

[Anonymous No.13206118]

>>13206065
its ideology my friend

libs remain rooted in capitalism. leftists believe capitalism has failed and its time to move on.

[Anonymous No.13206126]

>>13206118
in other words, its the difference between the hard cock of revolution and flaccid dong of reform

[Anonymous No.13206127]

>>13206118
and Fascists believe in a 'third position' nobody cares about your gay religion

[Anonymous No.13206145]

>>13205226
And Mao would line up the top third of current China leadership and shoot them dead. Marx and Mao promoted unsuccessful ideas, not one state utilizing their ideas lasted without cannibalizing the previous regimes resources and when those resources ran out they died .

[Anonymous No.13206149]

>>13206127
its so funny you guys use third position, like the conservative version of third way democrats. fascists dont want any meaningful change either. instead of saying "we need more black ceos!" they say " actually, no black ceos, and no black people except as servants and slaves!" meanwhile capitalism still enslaves you all

[Anonymous No.13206158]

Absolutely terrible thread.

>>13206149
Jesus Christ what a moron.

[Anonymous No.13206159]

>>13206087
>youre gonna tell me what i believe?
You're the one who identified as a Marxist.
>a classless society doesnt mean i believe everyone is equal or should be equal
Ah yes. No wealth inequality, Commie block housing, and so on
>we're not trying to make a society in which everyone is equal
Yes you are retard. I've browsed /leftypol/ and commie twitter long enough to know what you want
>but one in which we arent dominated by capitalists,
Then why wouldn't you want market socialism when different worker cooperatives compete with eachother?
>a liberal is an egalitarian and a capitalist
Define your two buzzwords 'liberal' and 'capitalism'

[Anonymous No.13206161]

>>13206149
Name one human society ever that wasn't enslaved, just one. Your socialist attempts so far have definitely not gotten rid of oppressive power structures

[Anonymous No.13206169]

>>13206149
>t. has absolutely no idea what fascism is so he calls it capitalism when he doesn't know what that is either

[Anonymous No.13206171]

>>13205234
>China isn't part of the West

[Anonymous No.13206186]

>>13205205
>rightwingers on suicide watch
meanwhile, leftwingers are setting themselves on fire to protest Trump's presidency.

[Anonymous No.13206191]

Part of me wants us to just have Anglocommunism/Communism with American Characteristics and get it over with already so we can transition to post-Communism like the Ruskies and Polacks.

[Anonymous No.13206192]

>>13206158
aww anon, i love you too

>>13206159
again with telling me what i believe. why dont you just post for me so you can argue with yourself?

>>13206161
people lived communally for much of history. not saying i want to get us back to that, but slavery isnt necessary for civilization.

>>13206169
private industry still exists in any fascist society. nazbols never become all that popular.

[Anonymous No.13206203]

>>13206192
>you must work for your community or youre excommunicated or youre beaten with clubs

Woah what non-slavery

[Anonymous No.13206208]

>>13206192
>private industry still exists in any fascist society
So does state industry. I guess that makes it Socialism now.
>again with telling me what i believe
When you identify as a Marxist why are you surprised when I assume you are for equality and want a classless society. It's not even worth reasoning with you communist retards sometimes.

[قاسم !!Q8buEI7kZvM No.13206222]

Hume was a Tory zealot

[Anonymous No.13206245]

>>13206192
>people lived communally for much of history. not saying i want to get us back to that, but slavery isnt necessary for civilization.
Those people did not have civilization as we know it. Band societies are indeed pretty egalitarian. Their material infrastructure works against entrenched hierarchies, little storable wealth and a general lack of division of labor. That a super complex civilization could forego such hierarchies is laughable. I do not support capitalism (whatever that means) but if something is going to replace it and maintain something we call civilization it will absolutely have entrenched hierarchies and systems of power.

The anarcho-primitivists are at least honest with themselves, silly as they may be.

[Anonymous No.13206303]

>>13206203
if you dont work, you die. how is this any different now? thats such a poor definition of "slavery"

>>13206208
theres no overthrowing of the economic system. fash is fine with the way things are now, just that every country should have a population of the preferred homogeneous group.

marx never called for an egalitarian society. a classless society, sure, but a classless society isnt egalitarian. it simply means that no person or group of oligarchs can control the resources of a society. that does not mean everyones "equal" harrison bergeron style. or that groups of people are equal to another group. those are liberals and their stupid ass complaints about, idk, that fat people are as hot as skinny people. thats fucking retarded, and not our goal. our goal is material equality, not ideal equality.

>>13206245
heirarchies are fine by ancoms. its unjustified hierarchies that must be destroyed. those arise through private ownership of the means of production.

[Anonymous No.13206314]

>>13206303
>if you dont work, you die. how is this any different now?
welfare

[Anonymous No.13206331]

>>13206314
so to overcome slavery you need social democracy? not sure what youre going for here

[Anonymous No.13206345]

>>13206331
Welfare was not invented by social democracies, it's at least as old as the Roman empire. there are also institutions like the church that have long histories of charity

[Anonymous No.13206361]

>>13206303
>
>just that every country should have a population of the preferred homogeneous group
Now you did a 180 on your views. You condemned racism a few minutes ago.
>a classless society isnt egalitarian
>our goal is material equality
Hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.13206390]

>>13206303
>heirarchies are fine by ancoms. its unjustified hierarchies that must be destroyed.

AKA we want to self insert ourselves as the """"elite"""" or whatever you want to call it after the revolution. Huh where have i seen this

[Anonymous No.13206391]

>>13206361
you didnt read. i said fascists (fash) want to live in homogeneous groups, not marxists.

>>13206361
wanting everyone to have the same access to stuff is not the same thing as believing everyone is equally capable of the same things (which is part of liberal, not marxist, ideology)

[Anonymous No.13206394]

>>13206391
So why try hard in this society if I get the same shit essentially? Some spooky shit like muh prestige?

[Anonymous No.13206411]

>>13206390
there is no elite, hierarchies would be determined democratically and by merit. for example, people running a nuclear power plant should be the engineers and scientists that know how to run the power plant, not the capitalist owner, which wouldnt exist. obviously we need organization, leaders who can run things competently, etc. for division of labor. we simply dont think the person who should run things is some random guy whose only interest is turning a profit.

>>13206394
you do things that interest you. if you want to just sit at home play video games and post dumb shit on the internet, we wont condemn you to die in your own filth. but i imagine many people dont want to live a worthless life, and intrinsically want to do work. yes, there are going to be people who do nothing. but with automation increasingly viable, we wont even need that large a workforce in the future. in such a world, being worthless will not force others to labor hard for your existence. so whats the point in making people do work?

[Anonymous No.13206435]

>>13205205
what did i just read???

[Anonymous No.13206436]

>>13206411
Who the fuck is going to want to do most forms of physical labor if this is the conditions? Just copping out to muh robots is a shit excuse

[Anonymous No.13206474]

>>13206436
you underestimate peoples desire to work for their communities. we incentivize competition, but cooperation because your community needs a house built or crops picked is rewarding for most people. the belief that no one will do anything unless they get paid is part of our current ideology. but its not a permanent feature of society.

[Anonymous No.13206475]

>>13206002
>>13206022
>>13206159
these bullet-by-bullet posts absolutely reek of reddit. stop fucking posting.

[Anonymous No.13206572]

>>13206411
>here is no elite, hierarchies would be determined democratically and by merit. for example, people running a nuclear power plant should be the engineers and scientists that know how to run the power plant, not the capitalist owner, which wouldnt exist. obviously we need organization, leaders who can run things competently, etc. for division of labor. we simply dont think the person who should run things is some random guy whose only interest is turning a profit.

Works great for a while then someone introduces the progressive stack to th decision making process and now the powerplant is staffed by HIV positive latinx down syndrome coma patients because not allowing them to run a powerplant is fascism despite all the meltdowns that keep happening.

Point is, what memetic hygiene procedures do Ancoms have? How will you guard against malicious, or deleterious, manipulation of public opinion to sway votes?

[Anonymous No.13206591]

>>13205234
>China
>left
Modern China is fascist. Or if you don't like the word fascist, it's far more right than we are. If it "kills" us, it'll be an authoritarian capitalist society "killing" a liberal capitalist society.

[Anonymous No.13206612]

>Why is communism always so vague about how resources should be allocated? They imply that there is this vast surplus that the wealthy hoard for themselves, but I don't see any evidence of this. Fields still need plowing, soil still needs tilling. What is this secret surplus of wealth? What form does it take and how do you plan on redistributing it?

>What is it that irks you about capitalism the most? That our leaders are sometimes incompetent or put their self interest ahead of societies? That your job monopolizes your time with tedious labor? Do you envy the lifestyles of the rich and famous? Do you feel they could do a better job caring and providing for the poor and homeless?

>I'm being serious here, I'm trying to take you at their word and not insult you. Maybe the Socratic method will yield some insight for us all. Is it the waste? Which is worse, the waste produced by the middle class, or the poor example demonstrated by the excesses of the wealthy? What problem are you trying to solve, and how specifically do you intend to go about it?

[Anonymous No.13206662]

>>13205471
>Are you telling me China isn't a strong state
Much of that is thanks to damage control from Mao's successors.

[Anonymous No.13206695]

>>13206572
im not sure, desu. its true the effects of propaganda, both liberal and conservative, have turned our current democracy into a pure shitshow. all i can say is that there wont be a such a large concentration of wealth that the opinions of a few people can be diseminated so widely the way it is now. but youre right, mob rule like cancel culture is fucking dumb, and im not sure how to safeguard against that.

>>13206612
good questions, too hungry to reply rn but if this thread is still up tomorrow ill try to answer it.

[Anonymous No.13206758]

>>13206149
What do you actually think fascism is?

[Anonymous No.13206798]

>>13206612
I think communism is vague about how to redistribute capital because its not really motivated by rational self interest, only vague ideological premises and envy.

[Anonymous No.13206822]

If we were to put all idle people to work, how would that benefit society? How would people find meaning in doing a menial job that could just as easily be done by a machine? At what point are we simply manufacturing work to be done instead of addressing meaningful work that actually needs to be done?

[Anonymous No.13206838]

>>13206822
Perhaps there is work that people would enjoy doing that could just as easily be done by a machine, but can you really say that about all such jobs?

[Anonymous No.13206860]

How can a society claim to be democratic when an individual has no say in who should lead its people?

How can a society be egalitarian if only those who are willing to commit to violence to overthrow the state have a voice in deciding who their leader should be?

[Anonymous No.13206869]

>>13205396
Every person like this I come across just confirms my theories. Leftists are made of actual pudding.

[Anonymous No.13207076]

>>13205205
Nuke Zer0 bookkks

[Anonymous No.13207384]

>>13205318
Funny how leftists claim liberalism is leftist whenever it's convenient, but when it's inconvenient they'll throw tantrums over being associated with liberalism.

[Anonymous No.13207454]

>>13207384
That anon is most likely liberal, faggot

[Anonymous No.13207460]

>>13205205
who won?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmjfvlOE5g

the left?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmjfvlOE5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRciANHeGlg

or the right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_FqPz_9d4o

[Anonymous No.13207461]

>>13207460
>the left
should be these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IzJwF0KjFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRciANHeGlg

[Anonymous No.13207470]

>>13205387
>Just print more money
Nice troll

[Anonymous No.13207489]

>>13205234
Yes, but because the CPC is fulfilling the wet dreams of right wing nationalists.

They have rejected pretty much the entirety of Western leftist doctrine and a calling them "leftist" is pretty much retarded and genuinely neocon tier.

[Anonymous No.13207508]

Leftism has beeb assimilated by liberalism. It's over leftoids, time for something new.

[Anonymous No.13207530]

>>13205927
>so yeah, they're incompatible with worker ownership of the means of production
But who cares about that?

The fundamental flaw in your thinking is that the somewhat "far right" gives a single fuck about economics. I really couldn't care about iny less.

Right wingers define "left/right" in terms of social policy, while left wingers define "left/right" based on economics. I don't give a shit about economics, that is why I don't care to make a distinction between you and "the libs", you both push for basically the exact same social policies.

[Anonymous No.13207546]

>>13206149
That is the dumbest misrepresentation of fascists I have ever seen.
Even the MSM is more reasonable towards fascism then that.

Also *genuine* (i.e. non LARP) fascism isn't white nationalism, the USA is clearly a multi racial state and many of the blacks living there have a deeper connection to the land then many whites.

[Anonymous No.13207636]

>>13205396
how does this man live with himself or even wake up in the morning

[Anonymous No.13207648]

>>13205205
Why exactly is it that Americans have to do absolutely everything in the most embarrassing manner possible?

[Anonymous No.13207777]

>>13205396
Good fucking Lord, that was absolutely hilarious.

[Anonymous No.13207778]

>Zero-IQ Books

[Anonymous No.13207806]

>>13207489
It's especially funny to see Western commies suck up to China because they are 'communist', while they've transformed into an openly fascist state. It's even funnier when these are the same commies who call others bootlickers.

[Anonymous No.13207813]

>>13207806
>while they've transformed into an openly fascist state.
Fascism seems to heavily rely on the past value structures - unsurprisingly. Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy are so alien from modern China it's unbelievable.
Perhaps if China had a monotheistic phase, or was without that atheistic period, it would be a good place for humans to live in.

Or perhaps you're full of shit and it's just an oligarchy.

[Anonymous No.13207823]

>>13207813
>Fascism seems to heavily rely on the past value structures
People always say this, but fascism is, at its core, a futurist movement, which only uses past aesthetics for its own justification, but certainly not its value structures.

[Anonymous No.13208355]

>>13207806
The "China is still Communist!!! Yanquis BTFO!!!" meme, mostly due to American communists in all likelihood, only started after Venezuela imploded.

[Anonymous No.13209405]

>>13208355
Nah it's been around for much, much longer, and definitely isn't restricted to murricans. Hell, even Zizek complained about it.

[Anonymous No.13209517]

>>13205318

This. The western world will continue slowly but surely along it's historic tragectory of becoming more and more liberal and progressive. Right wingers may be able to slow it down and create set backs, but it is ultimately inevitable that the left will always win in the long run (unless all human advancement is thwarted by extinction or the second coming or domething like that).

[Anonymous No.13209587]

>>13209517
Is that also true in South Africa?

[Anonymous No.13209675]

Why is the alt-right such cringe?

[Anonymous No.13209915]

>>13206171
Uh?

[Anonymous No.13209922]

>>13207813
Franco was never a fascist and China is clearly a postcommunist nationalist state

[Anonymous No.13209963]

>>13206435
Whether you're talking about the book you posted or the book in the OP, both are absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.13209972]

>>13207460
Imagine hating trans people, bad look buddy.

[Anonymous No.13209990]

>>13205452
>4chan of all places
4chan always was and always will be apolitical

[Anonymous No.13210018]

>>13205452
ive been on 4chan for longer than youve been alive, kiddo. if you dont like free speech and debate, why are YOU on 4chan? to be circlejerked by your fash friends?

[Anonymous No.13210030]

>>13205452
TOURIST DETECTED

[Anonymous No.13210047]

>>13205318
The CIA defeated the Left in the 60's by turning its focus to stupid woke shit, labor has been progressively dismantled for half a century but hurr it's OK because I get to own the racists epic style by playing rap music loudly around my dad

[Anonymous No.13210057]

>>13210047
okay zoomer

[Anonymous No.13210071]

>>13210047
Not everywhere is America

[Anonymous No.13210073]

>>13210057
He's right you stupid moral grandstanders don't give a damn about the worker

[Anonymous No.13210089]

>>13210073
its true, but with bernie on the rise the left might come back. if the primaries go our way we might actually get worker power back on the table.

[Anonymous No.13210092]

>>13210018
>>13210030
>free speech and debate
You faggots are so hopeless if you think this gay bait thread has any place on here.
Maybe you're the fucking tourists when you think this reddit garbage has a place here.
Next you'll tell me blacked threads are discussion.

[Anonymous No.13210095]

>>13210057
Snark is cope

[Anonymous No.13210112]

>>13210095
no, you're just an idiot ;0)

[Anonymous No.13210118]

>>13210092
>NOOOOOOOO MUH SEKRIT KLUB!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.13210123]

>>13210089
Yeah no, caring about the worker is how you get people to care about the left, it's not care about the left and they will take care of you eventually.

[Anonymous No.13210148]

>>13210092

damn youre triggered bro. maybe stormfront is more up youre alley. we can post whatever we want, have you ever considered that? also, if 4chan is just for right wingers, why do we have /lgbt/?

>>13210123
thats what bernies rhetoric and policy is all about. yesterday he just released a plan to give workers right of first refusal + board of director seats and other actual socialist (not just sucdem) policies. the left is coming back, and there are plenty of us that care about workers. the "left" you see on the internet are not representative of actual people.

[Anonymous No.13210156]

>>13210123
>implying the left is the party of the workers and also implying that workers feel any sympathy for the left

[Anonymous No.13210172]

>>13210148
Yikes

[Anonymous No.13210175]

>>13210148
>we can post whatever we want, have you ever considered that?
N-no I haven't considered that. I guess I'll have to concede this discussion.
Proceed as you see fit.

[Anonymous No.13210184]

>>13210172
YiKeS
>>13210175
thanks, now go troll other threads

[Anonymous No.13210187]

>>13210156
>Implying the workers are voting in their own self interest while also lacking class consciousnes.
Workers are consistently voting against their own interests at the moment because the establishment is painting everybody as 'just a regular Joe'. It's nothing if not a propaganda tactic to reduce class consciousnes.

[Anonymous No.13210193]

>>13209517
>Liberalism is left wing.
The fact that you believe this is literal proof that your country is shifting to the right you fucking inbred.

[Anonymous No.13210232]

>>13210187
Class consciousness is false consciousness.

[Anonymous No.13210239]

>>13210232
so jeff bezos isnt actively trying to fuck us over? lol

[Anonymous No.13210241]

>>13210187
The fact that 'class consciousness' hasn't been achieved while capitalism rampages on, may give you pause to reconsider whether it's not just a lie, and that 'the' working class is actually a multitude of working classes that are more defined by national, religious, ethnic, or otherwise tribal forms of consciousness that are far more powerful.

[Anonymous No.13210255]

>>13210241
No no anon the capitialist upperclass is brainwashing them to think that way!

[Anonymous No.13210262]

>>13210241
or it may be that powerful forces are actively suppressing it because it is a threat to their power, while promoting other types of consciousness because it deflects anger away from them?

>>13210255
this but unironically. meanwhile you think jews are doing the brainwashing, lol

[Anonymous No.13210280]

>>13210262
>or it may be that powerful forces are actively suppressing it because it is a threat to their power, while promoting other types of consciousness because it deflects anger away from them?
I mean the far right and religious terrorism are seen as major security threats, while the far left is almost completely absent. Why? Because they offer no threat to the neoliberal order whatsoever, because they know class consciousness is such a fragile and impotent thing.

[Anonymous No.13210287]

>>13210280
nah. they all freaking out about bernie but they wont even impeach trump. white nationalism is fine, since nobody is shooting up galas and fundraisers, just synagogues

[Anonymous No.13210292]

>>13210262
>if you don't worship mammon first and foremost then you're brainwashed

[Anonymous No.13210307]

>>13210287
>white nationalism is accepted by the elites
Islamic terrorism might be to a certain extent, but white nationalism is absolutely seen as an absolute evil. Just look at the hysteria following the Christchurch massacre and compare it to the Sri Lanka bombings a month later.

[Anonymous No.13210333]

>>13210262
When did I mention jews fuckboi? Get out of here with your gaslighting

[Anonymous No.13210335]

>>13210307
what are you talking about? it doesnt affect elites at all. christ church killed a bunch of prole muslims. who cares? poway killed one jew. pittsburgh killed 11 jews. normal, non elite jews. if white nationalists do something real like shoot up bilderberg, maybe theyll do something. but what has actually happened since then? all antifa does is dox people and get them fired. people get "canceled" off the internet not put in prison or killed like the fbi does to blm activists. its not the elites doing anything, its all regular people doing weak shit that doesnt matter. no one gives a shit about your white nationalist movements because its not a threat to anyones power.

[Anonymous No.13210354]

>>13210335
>prole muslims
lmao, they were just muslims. Why make it out as if them being 'proles' mattered in any way? Why desperately bring everything when it's obviously not the case? Can commies do anything besides class reductionism?

[Anonymous No.13210360]

>>13210333
its pretty obvious, desu

[Anonymous No.13210362]

>>13210287
My god the victim complex

[Anonymous No.13210366]

>>13210354
because if they attacked the sultan of saudi arabia, you can believe trump and his cronies will give a shit.

[Anonymous No.13210379]

>>13210362
lmao, youre here complaining about being oppressed cause youre white nationalist friends cant sieg heil in public (you still can, btw)

[Anonymous No.13210387]

>>13210360
>If you dont agree with my commie bs you are a NAHZEE

yikes bucko, keep having that dissonance though

[Anonymous No.13210391]

>>13210379
An endless series of caricatures and misrepresentations

[Anonymous No.13210397]

>>13210335
>elites dont care
You have powerful lobby groups like the ADL and SPLC trying to frame everything they dislike as 'white nationalism'. One of the biggest tactics used against Trump was to associate him with unsavory politicians, most notably on the far right, such as KKK endorsements or him being praised by people like David Duke. This obviously failed, and the blowback is that it gave the far right free publicity. Immediately after Trump got elected, they instead hammered down on the white nationalism narrative, with CNN labeling it a 'whitelash against a black president' (nevermind the fact taht key voters flipped from Obama to Trump). You have neoliberal mouthpieces like Paul Krugman and Justin Trudeau praising diversity and the wonders of open borders.

Honestly, you have to have been living underneath a rock to be oblivious to all this, especially after 2016. Then again, you are a commie.

[Anonymous No.13210403]

>>13210387
>>13210391
im 100% right and being a little dick cheese not saying what you actually believe proves it.

[Anonymous No.13210410]

>>13210403
Ad hom

[Anonymous No.13210427]

>>13210397
and what has the focus on white nationalism done? they cant even get trump impeached. its not a problem for the elites. you have the victim complex thinking everyones out to get you, but all thats happened is some people got banned from off social media. boo fucking hooo. real activists doing real things get put in prison or killed. i wish they did that to your heroes but they wont.

[Anonymous No.13210433]

>>13207813
>Fascism seems to heavily rely on the past value structures - unsurprisingly.
Unless you're a literal Whig history Hegelian communist retard who thinks fascism is a capitalist reaction to the supposedly inevitable rise of socialism, it would be obvious to you that in the early 20th century, the most traditional political system was monarchy. But fascism was anti-monarchic and democratic in the sense that it believed its power came from "the people" and not by hereditary right or law. There is nothing really reactionary about fascism, or rather its reaction is fabricated.

[Anonymous No.13210449]

>>13210433
yeah but it was still regressive, even in Italy it was about embracing traditional values for the most part

[Anonymous No.13210450]

>>13210433
Reactionary as a term has lost all meaning desu

[Anonymous No.13210460]

>>13210427
>they cant even get trump impeached.
The President is a symbolic position so they don't really put all their effort into it, but it's not because the right has any power that Trump is still in the White House.

[Anonymous No.13210469]

>>13210427
Impeaching never meant anything its just a way to rile up partisans

[Anonymous No.13210480]

>>13210449
Only selectively. Its main proponents were atheists, which was quite radical in Catholic Italy for the time (still is).

[Anonymous No.13210482]

>>13210410
still waiting on your actual beliefs, pussy

[Anonymous No.13210491]

>>13210482
can you even use that word on 4channel?

[Anonymous No.13210513]

>>13210491
i knew it, lol. cant post it, but wont stfu.

>>13210460
its not that they have power, its just not a threat to them

[Anonymous No.13210520]

>>13210513
looks like this keyboard warrior just earned another notch on his belt!

[Anonymous No.13210530]

>>13210520
if you wanna fuck me, just say so. also, no.

[Anonymous No.13210547]

>>13210530
uwu

[Anonymous No.13210673]

>>13210433
There are basically no critical differences between ideologies that conceive of power as bubbling up from below.

[Anonymous No.13210694]

>>13210450
It never had meaning in the first place

[Anonymous No.13211140]

>>13210187

[Anonymous No.13211156]

Sage,
/lit/ isn't /pol/.

[Anonymous No.13211340]

>>13211156
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.13211388]

>>13205205
Why do you lefties care so much about Ben Shapiro? Just seeing him on the cover let me know this book is shit.

[Anonymous No.13211401]

>>13205396
Thanks. I wasted 35 minutes and hate myself now.

[Anonymous No.13211496]

>>13211140
nigger, leftists have been on 4chan since at least 2006. i know because i was here then. pretending its *your* board and its only for right wingers is some gay shit you need to let go of. or stay in pol where the stupidity repels us.

[Anonymous No.13211510]

>>13211140
They say those three people are still posting here today

[Anonymous No.13211517]

>>13205205
No trinity could be complete without a glass of Coca-Cola™. It's the taste that lefty's crave!

[Anonymous No.13211520]

>>13211496
Lefties also weren't insane antiwhite racists back then. Nazi weeabooism was alive and well too.

[Anonymous No.13211530]

>>13211496
>thinking replacing nigga with nigger makes you look less reddit
>actually im le oldfag
>*your*
>gay shit
>stay in pol [sic]
>us
Fucking CRINGE. You have to go back, tourist.

[Anonymous No.13211568]

>>13205396
>Stonetoss
>Hate Speech
Fucking the Turner Diaries is hate speech. Stonetoss making fun of Ess Jay Double-U's isn't

[Anonymous No.13211574]

>>13211520
we were focused on antiwar, net neutrality, piracy, free speech, and (for some reason) scientology back then. but its not that we transformed into tumblr feminist cucks. that culture grew apart from the 4chan left.


>>13211530
i dont post on reddit lol. ive always been on 4chan. never fucking left. this is my board, if you dont like it, leave, NIGGER

[Anonymous No.13211578]

>>13211574
None of that is exclusively leftist

[Anonymous No.13211596]

>>13211574
What's your reddit username?

[Anonymous No.13211602]

>>13211578
A lot of it is antileftist now. Free speech for example.

[Anonymous No.13211613]

>>13211574
Simmer down, Vaush.

[Anonymous No.13211627]

>>13211578
you're right, its anti-authoritarian, specifically. thats what i like about this place.

>>13211596
moot#faggot

[Anonymous No.13211688]

>>13205234
shoo shoo stinky chinky

[Anonymous No.13212455]

>>13206612
the bolshevik runs and hides from questions he does not like..

[Anonymous No.13212575]

>>13205318
This is sort of true. But societies can collapse. The Roman Empire being the most famous example. Athens was a pretty liberal society by ancient Greek standards, in some ways, but what followed its golden age wasn't a clear upward trend of "progress". Minoans never recovered. The Mayans never recovered. The middle East sans Egypt never fully recovered. The Islamic Caliphates never recovered.

[Anonymous No.13212645]

>>13212575
Did all those societies become "liberal"

[Anonymous No.13212661]

>>13212645
It's a constant refrain throughout history that "we got fat and decadent, our morals loosened, and it led to our downfall". The two possibilities are that we're uniquely enlightened and know better than everyone who came before us, or "progressivism" is something which has happened many times before in one form or another and has presaged the downfall of the society

[Anonymous No.13212669]

>>13212661
Yeah but those guys were all bigots.

[Anonymous No.13212674]

>>13212669
Uniquely enlightened and know better than everyone who came before us, then

[Anonymous No.13212690]

>>13212674
At least our collapse will be funny. I wonder what they'll call it. The Madness, or something?

[Anonymous No.13212693]

>>13212690
The Big Yikes

[Anonymous No.13212696]

>>13205645
redpilled leftist common sense
>give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Loan him a fishing rod and you can exploit his surplus labour (and the majority of his fish) while alienating him from his favourite discipline

[Anonymous No.13212697]

>>13205645
>he doesn't know that communism calls for the abolition of the state

[Anonymous No.13212739]

>>13209990
lmao

[Anonymous No.13212745]

>>13209990
I alway thought 4chan was anti-whoever-the-president-is, but that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.13212753]

>>13210018
You just outed yourself you troglodyte

[Anonymous No.13212762]

>>13210118
4chan has always been some kind of sekrit club. Once again reddit migrants keeps making their presence intolerable.

[Anonymous No.13212767]

>>13211688
god damn it, lol

[Anonymous No.13212792]

>>13212753
i bet you dont even know who wt snacks is

>>13212762
its not a secret club when it gets in the news every few months

[Anonymous No.13212798]

>>13212792
AHAHAHA YOU THINK THAT'S OBSCURE ? HOLY SHIT FUCK OFF ALREADY

[Anonymous No.13212807]

>>13212798

so who is it then?

[Anonymous No.13212833]

>>13212807
you really think you are clever or special for knowing him? Its just a google away. WT is all over mainstream "oldfag" culture just as much as moot. From pics to videos. You could just be a redditor who is too afraid to browse le ebil 4chins and still know. All that shit was cataloged and put in a nice little package for redditors to read.

[Anonymous No.13212836]

>>13205226
>killing 70 million landlords
>bad

[Anonymous No.13212845]

>>13212833
lol you really take 4chan seriously huh

[Anonymous No.13212857]

>>13212845
Says the redditor who tried too hard to fit in. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.13212888]

>>13205226
You’re next

[Anonymous No.13212907]

>>13212857
i dont have a need to fit in, im old af and ive been here for over a decade. you sound like an asspained newfag tho lol. dont get riled up so easy next time, compadre

[Anonymous No.13212998]

>>13212907
your attempt to prove your oldfaginess prove otherwise. Redditor/newfag or not you are still a faggot.

[Anonymous No.13213023]

>>13210118
So predictable.

[Anonymous No.13213027]

>>13212907
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.13213032]

>>13212907
>redditor status: assblasted

[Anonymous No.13213043]

>>13212907
The absolute state of this board.

[Anonymous No.13213044]

I thought this was supposed to be an Intelligent board. If you don't support the right, you're a spy.

[Anonymous No.13213051]

>>13213044
This is unironically true.

[Anonymous No.13213067]

>>13213027
>>13213032
>>13213043

lol wow

[Anonymous No.13213091]

>>13206361
It is not racist to acknowledge the fact that homogenous societies are happier, healthier and less crime ridden.

[Anonymous No.13213093]

>>13212998
>>13213023
>>13213027
>>13213032
>>13213043

You know what? FINE.

I am a redditor.

I came here in 2016.

AND.

I'M.

STAYING.

[Anonymous No.13213103]

Is this /pol/ all of a sudden?

[Anonymous No.13213109]

>>13213093
>acceptance
good. next is to stop being gay

[Anonymous No.13213113]

>>13213103
>all of a sudden
I unironically browse this as a better pol

[Anonymous No.13213149]

>>13213093
you need to copy my posting style, no caps, erratically used apostrophes, and misuse of youre and their

[Anonymous No.13213151]

>>13213093
Go back :)

[Anonymous No.13213157]

>>13213093
Youre an honest man anon now leave

[Anonymous No.13213183]

Why do any if you care about this stuff? Spend more time offline and you start to realize nothing within this argumentative and political realm of thinking matters at all. You are powerless and all you do is add needless stress to yourself, whether you accept that fact or not.

[Anonymous No.13213195]

>>13205205
theres no such thing as "rightwingers"
thats a meme perpetuated by leftists
there are radical leftists and moderate centrists

[Anonymous No.13213201]

>>13213183
NON ONONO, the wronged individual is the gratest mover and shaker of human history I can change the world and Ill change YOU if you post this shit again...

[Anonymous No.13213212]

>>13213195
if only that were true, that would make the overton window far to the left from where it is now

[Anonymous No.13213350]

>>13213183
>bro just turn your brain off

[Anonymous No.13213537]

Yikes, you fucking incels

[Anonymous No.13213627]

>>13213537
Go back.