/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13163697]

This man is the living embodiment of "Shake his hand son and say I'm your new cashier, sir".

Why the fuck does anyone respect what he says?

[Anonymous No.13163736]

Because he doesn't spew out of context and unexplained autistic bullshit like
> "Shake his hand son and say I'm your new cashier, sir"
and expect everyone to magically understand whatever the hell hes rambling about.

[Anonymous No.13163760]

>>13163736
He does though. Look up his lectures, spews out bullshit like that all the time, about ancient civilizations, jung's theories etc. He's a literal hack and a fraud.

[Anonymous No.13163778]

>>13163697

[Anonymous No.13163798]

>>13163736
>and expect everyone to magically understand whatever the hell hes rambling about
It's a well known boomer meme, stop spending all your time reading books retard

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.13163810]

Because rightwingies need an intellectual to cling to. They’re desperate to prove wrong that old saying about the right side of history being left. So any backward looking traditionalist comes along and they shill him till we all get tired of him.
There’s an inordinate amount of time spent pushing these guys, and a couple of gals, and a whole of effort put into defaming leftist thinkers.
/lit/ didn’t used to be like this. But this has been going on for years and it seems to have driven most of the better posters away.

[Anonymous No.13163833]

>>13163697
>>13163760
>>13163778
>>13163810
All of these people read for the plot.

[Anonymous No.13163838]

>>13163833
As opposed to what?

[Anonymous No.13163866]

>>13163810
But Peterson is a liberal.

[Anonymous No.13163868]

>>13163838

[Anonymous No.13163871]

>>13163838
The pictures.

[Anonymous No.13163878]

>>13163838

prose
its a /lit/ meme
lurk moar

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.13163883]

>>13163833
Sub vocalizer
STEM pseud
Pleb tranny
Zoomer trash
Trumpette Alt-rightist
Bed wetter

[Anonymous No.13163885]

>>13163838
oh no

[Anonymous No.13163889]

>>13163868
Well retard?

Are you gonna open your mouth or just be passive aggressive? Just say what you mean instead of acting like a smug little pussy.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.13163908]

>>13163866
You saying he voted for Trudeau or Harper? Cuz they’re both liberals

[Anonymous No.13163960]

>>13163760
maybe you're just not so smart?
maybe you're low in trait openness

Wouldn't that stuff about ancient civilizations and jungs theories be context?

The valid criticisms of peterson imo are that he projects his theories into the ancient civilizations (as opposed to having his theories be informed by the study of the civilizations) and doesn't do his research and spews memes, is a capitalist huckster, etc. etc.
>>13163810
They need an intellectual to cling to because the status quo is trying to erode their position. They want to fight the tide or redirect it. Most right wingers are just stupid average normies, unfortunately, although I suppose the same is true of leftists. But right wingers get more pushback from the government, the globalists, etc. because they are a legitimate threat, unlike left wingers.
>>13163697
he's pretty smart, and he backs up the boomer memes with a sort of metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.13163979]

>>13163908
left/right is a bad, uninformative distinction because its so relative as to be meaningless. Compared to US all parties in Canada are left-wing.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.13164049]

>>13163960
Their positions are forever eroded. Monarchists won see a return of kings, Christians won’t see Jesus ride his white horse down from heaven, racists won’t see a return of slavery.
They and we all have a legit gripe against state governments. The *actual* left know that too

>>13163979
Leftright is just shorthand, but it does lead people to misunderstand a lot. For instance you just now. Left and right liberals control the world, but they’re both rightwing to anti capitalists

[Anonymous No.13164093]

>>13163838
Prose
But the problem's more with people who can ONLY read for the plot, who usually can't into entry level films like 2001 either because they can't appreciate prose or cinematography.

[Anonymous No.13164098]

>>13163697
>Why the fuck does anyone respect what he says?
He's basically giving self-help books to people with daddy issues.

[Anonymous No.13164185]

>>13164049
Monarchists, Christians, racists, very comparable...
You shouldn't engage in that sort of rhetoric its on the same level as when boomers dismiss commies and socialists.
Do you believe fascism is completely and forever eroded? (not advocating for fascism)
What about communism? Completely and forever eroded?

States serve a necessary role, namely defense against other states. But effort needs to be put forth to limit corruption and centralization of power.

Its not just a shorthand when most people don't know any further distinction.

[Anonymous No.13164196]

>>13164098
You say that like it's a bad thing
why shouldn't these daddy issues people try to get help? Why shouldn't someone try to help them?

[Anonymous No.13164211]

>>13163810
Wasn’t slavery primarily a leftist thing?

[Anonymous No.13164269]

>>13163908
As a disciple of Georges Dumézil (which obviously he can’t talk about, but he told me at a cocktail party once, before going off on a tangent about Darwin’s other book), he’s a staunch supporter of Jagmeet Singh. He has strong hopes that Singh will “restore healthy masculinity to Canadian society through Bushido law” and “stop those damn neomarxist pussies from confiscating my pocket knife every time I get on an airplane”.

[Anonymous No.13164290]

>>13164211
Democrats aren't really leftist

[Anonymous No.13164302]

>>13163736
>memerson doesn't spew obscurantist drivel
>that fucking dragon diagram in 12 rules

[Anonymous No.13164312]

>>13164302
its probably OP false flagging for yous

[Anonymous No.13164321]

>>13164302
how is it obscurantist if he explains what it means?

[Anonymous No.13164325]

>>13163697
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13164328]

>>13163697
clearly its because some out-of-touch moutain-dew chugging warcraft obsessive started wondering why his mom sighed so much more and smiled so much less than when he was younger and thought to himself hmm I wish my daddy was here to make mommy happy and then while stumbling through Ben Shaprio OBLITERATES SJW with FACTS and LOGIC videos on YouTube he came across a little canadian by the name of mr jordan b peterson who had this air a kind of hard edge no-shit grandaddy who was a little bit suspicious of blacks and pakistanis but ultimately wanted what was best for you despite how tough he was on you like when you peed the carpet and he rubbed your nose in it but now you find yourself watching piss pornography so i guess it all comes full circle thanks mr P

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13164334]

>>13164211
The political party in the south were called the Democrats, though they only supported voting rights for white males. Everyone was capitalist it they of course didn’t like the idea of a central bank in DC. So no, very no. They were a “rightwing” party

>>13164185
They’re very different groups, but all rightwing positions even if they have a left wing within.
Fascism is reactionaries pining for the glories of a new Roman Empire sort of future. Backward looking and I would hope eroding from feasibility.
“Communism” as in Soviet state capitalism should also be push off like a nasty old fur coat.

States will remain for a time as necessary, bu give the people actually democracy, economic and political, and those institutions will transform and eventually, I see, shut off as unnecessary.
Corruption can only be eliminated by eliminating accumulative currency from our lives.

>>13164269
Interesting

[Anonymous No.13164338]

>>13163833
Wait what do you mean? That's the whole point

[Anonymous No.13164340]

>>13164269
kek I can't tell if you're being serious or not but big if true

[Anonymous No.13164356]

>>13164334
Oh, so the only thing they have in common is the name?
And i’m aware that america doesn’t really have a leftist political party

[Anonymous No.13164361]

>>13164338
Roflmao

[Anonymous No.13164379]

>>13164361
I'm confused

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13164381]

>>13164356
I would call president Wilson a rightwinger, and though old Theodore Roosevelt was a progressive republican and leftish Franklin Roosevelt steered the northern Democrats farther away from their racist tendencies. The southern Democrats just ended up switching party allegiance in the 60s, though some still felt ill joining the party of Lincoln.
Parties are just a joke

[Anonymous No.13164480]

>>13164334
>They’re very different groups, but all rightwing
Debatable. What do you mean by rightwing? What does that mean to you?
I think the most meaningful distinction is psychological. Right wingers want distinct, firm boundaries between things, from conceptual (gender) to literal (border walls). Lefties want open borders and genderfluidity.
So we're back to the initial point about the leftright distinction.


>States will remain for a time as necessary, bu give the people actual democracy
What's actual democracy? Hitler was voted into power. I'm sure you know the typical arguments against anarchy: Inherently unstable, vulnerable to hostile takeover. Why are those arguments wrong?
>I would hope eroding from feasibility.
Only insofar as we are already living in a cryptofascist superstate that does not seem likely to collapse in the near future.

[Anonymous No.13164508]

>>13163697
>Why the fuck does anyone respect what he says?
He's famous because he dissed the lgbt and couldn't be taken down through normal lefty strategies as he was a professor.

[Anonymous No.13164512]

>>13164381
You're a joke.

[Anonymous No.13164517]

>>13164381
Why - Are - You - Still - Posting - ?????

[Anonymous No.13164519]

>>13163697
Because he said a lot of things that, whether they're universally accepted or philosophically consistent or not, people needed to hear. People needed to hear someone express the things he expressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTk-69f64KU
Skip to 3:14 for the essence.

[Anonymous No.13164564]

>>13164519
Holy shit he's an annoying old white guy, typical

[Anonymous No.13164569]

>>13164564
>t. obnoxious slob shaking her head while JBP describes her life to a tee.

[Anonymous No.13164574]

>>13164519
>how can we stop climate change
>well you see I'm a psychologist so I believe that people are capable a lot of great things
>literally ignores the question and talks about unrelated shit

[Anonymous No.13164600]

>>13164574
Not unrelated. He said even these huge societal problems are within the realm of personal responsibility, and that being an "activist" serves a psychological purpose, which casts doubt on the alleged motivations of "activists"

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13164605]

>>13164480
Well right of revolutionary left and their (our/my) goals of free world. Which addresses the rest of that paragraph.

Hitler was not voted into office. Sham democracies are found everywhere. You cannot have a functioning democracy with a capitalist economy.
Anarchism works when it is left to work, so when there are enough people practicing it.
The US is stumbling down from the heights of the 40s 50s and 60s and the torch is passing to China. But he world is a much smaller place now, and it will not support much more of this. The US will collapse alright. Growing more fascist is a symptom of it.

>>13164517
My limo hasn’t arrived.

[Anonymous No.13164607]

>>13163697
Jordan is good at saying banal but truthful/important things in a way that resonates with his audience which is overwhelmingly weird incel 4chan types. A lot of what he says isn't really even that wrong, the subtext is usually extremely questionable which is where a lot of the critique comes from but I think he's very good at clicking with people who probably need to hear obvious shit like "go clean your room" but are usually too pigheaded to really hear it usually

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13164608]

>>13164600
So worse than unrelated

[Anonymous No.13164611]

>>13163866

He is definitely a capitalist cuck, yes.

[Anonymous No.13164634]

>>13163697
dude's a genius

published Maps of Meaning and gave great lectures on existentialism before cashing in on basement dwellers. if thats not the "American Dream" i don't know what is

[Anonymous No.13164635]

>>13164608
No he's right. For example, talking to you makes it obvious that your political positions are extreme COPE

[Anonymous No.13164638]

>>13164600
>not unrelated
>starting literally beating around the bush until one of the other panelists reigned him in
>pulled out an I'm a pyschologist card in the beginning of his reply, instead of just replying outright
>said the equivalent of oh anyone can do whatever they want if they start by cleaning their rooms

I don't know /pol/

[Anonymous No.13164645]

>>13164574
>>13164607
>>13164608
Did you watch the clip, or just ten seconds of it? He explains that it is very much within the ability of an individual to exercise a lot of positive influence over the world, but not straight out of high school. Here's an analogy: before you sit on the supreme court, you have to be a lower level circuit judge. Before you're an effective judge, you have to be am effective district attorney. Before you're an effective district attorney, you have to be an effective lawyer. Before you're an effective lawyer, you have to be an effective law student. Before you're an effective law student, you have to properly fill out and application and complete all pre-law educational requirements. And before you complete all the pre-law educational requirements, you have to learn how to read.
What the woman in the audience is suggesting is, "We don't have time! We need a supreme court justice right now. So what do you tell people who are concerned about the lack of supreme court justices, instead of banal advice about learning to read and completing their pre-law requirements?"
He says, after some back-and-forth, "As a psychologist, I noticed that there are a lot of people who would rather go straight to being supreme court justices without having to put in the effort to learn to read, complete the requirements, finish law school, practice as a lawyer, practice as a DA, practice as a judge, and THEN become a supreme court justice. They want to skip those steps because they're actually more difficult."

[Anonymous No.13164657]

>>13164605
>Anarchism works when it is left to work
Are you actually fucking 14

[Anonymous No.13164661]

Because he changed my life. I used to be a NEET a year and a half go then I decided to clean my room and get my shit together. Now I'm back in Uni studying Comp. Science and working part time.

Peterson's whole message is for lost young men to find the courage to fight the chaos of daily life and to get their shit together to become the men they were always meant to be.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.13164663]

>>13164635
>No really look, MEME
Dumb frog posters

>>13164657
Do you kiss Kissinger books before bed?

[Anonymous No.13164664]

>>13164638
If you believe that society is composed of individuals then it follows that all social and political action is an extension of personal responsibility.
Even if we pass laws and so on, the work still has to be done by individuals. I would guess you have different ideological presuppositions which is why you're getting mad.
Cope and seethe more lefty tyranny cuck etc etc buzzwords. I don't want to exchange buzzwords I want to have elevated, intellectual discourse, because it's fun to me.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.13164668]

>>13164661
But it's somehow bad when I tell you to do it.

[Anonymous No.13164677]

>>13164663
So you're redd*t trash makes sense

[Anonymous No.13164692]

>>13164668
No because Jordan seems to understand the causes of why so many are dropping out of society, why so many of them are weak, why so many of them cant seem to get their shit together and he gives solutions to these problems. I've realized the importance of the sense of duty, the need for sacrifice and the need for a central purpose that drives ones life by listening to his lectures and talks.

He is an incredible mind. He's not just a self help author, he is a Harvard level academic and a peer reviewed clinical psychologist ffs. Leftists who criticize him wish they were half as successful and intelligent as he is. He's changed and is changing the lives of millions of people.

[Anonymous No.13164699]

>>13164664
>i'm just going to use big words and act smart

[Anonymous No.13164704]

>>13164668
Why do you insist on sitting on the supreme court when you haven't even started law school?

[Anonymous No.13164731]

>>13164663
Its not like you had a more substantive response so don't try to highroad.

If anarchy works when it's left to work, why isn't it currently in existence? What are the forces that prevent it from happening? What would stop those forces from re-emerging out of your anarchist world?

>>13164605
US may collapse but the bourgeoisie are international, I assure you.

[Anonymous No.13164741]

>>13164692

When you realise the problem is capitalism it'll blow your mind. Peterson is just a liberal shit siding with the status quo of inaction which fixes absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.13164766]

>>13164699
Are you triggered by "ideological presuppositions" because although they're big words, I don't know a more succinct way to say it. And I'm not acting, I am reasonably intelligent thanks for noticing


Last (you) unless you have a substantive reply.

[Anonymous No.13164781]

>>13164741
This is actually a decent line of argumentation, look the history of psychology wrt oppressing minorities and political dissidents and speculate from there about modern psychology, especially considering how signal boosted Peterson gets.

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>>13164731
It is currently in existence. It is up and running. There are millions of adherents world 'round. And it is quite obvious why it it still kept quite and kept from growing faster. Dishonest line of reasoning, anon. To claim a sociopolitical system cannot be because it currently isn't the dominant sociopolitical system is just stupidity.

>the bourgeoisie are international, I assure you.
I think the picture points that little tidbit out already. Of course I know. Capitalist prosperity passes to China–– China claims to want full communism by 2050 I believe is the plan.

[Anonymous No.13164839]

>>13164802
Why isn't anarchy the dominant system now?

[Anonymous No.13164871]

>>13164839

You legitimately engage in anarchy each day. We're taking part in it right now.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13164895]

>>13164839
C A P I T A L I S M
And statism, but all of legalism really. These social institutions have been with us so long people treat them as near sacred cows. In time we could learn to live with these trainer wheels off.

And this >>13164871 very much

[Anonymous No.13164900]

>>13164664
It's worth noting, how Locke (in the Second Treatise) seizes every opportunity to mention how the value of money is "imaginary" and "phantastical," but assumes the reality of the social "compact," despite the fact that it only exists in the same capacity as money, i.e., it has been agreed upon. Which is to say: what is this society that is composed of individuals and what are the individuals that compose it?

[Anonymous No.13164904]

>>13164871
Hugely arguable. What do you mean by anarchy? Or are you having a laugh about how /lit/ has no mods

Anyway, she is the one who said it's not the dominant socioeconomic position, and I tend to agree

[Anonymous No.13164980]

>>13163736
How does it feel to out yourself as a retarded newfag?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13165046]

>>13164904
When you need to look into the topic a bit more.
When you see homeless people, they’re living in anarchy. When a kid is taken care of, fed and clothed for no cost to himself, till his parents scold him for taking something from a store because he didn’t know he was living in capitalism. When a biker gang go around doing illegal things and never get harassed by the cops. Backyard farming. It’s of ways. We get away with little bits at a time, and the state allows it but sometimes looks for ways to regulate it or tax it

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13165053]

>>13165046
*well you need to...
This spellcheck is fucking worthless

[Anonymous No.13165069]

Stop giving butterfly yous and they will starve.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.13165093]

>>13165069
Fake and gay news

[Anonymous No.13165099]

>>13164741
the problem is people have no guidance in their lives
shit parents, shit education system, no religion, no local community
isolation and immersion in technology, video games, TV, the internet, anti-life simulations and dream worlds
men often treated with hostility from the media and the left, especially white men

[Anonymous No.13165151]

>>13163960
https://youtu.be/pZ8EY-MHjSU

[Anonymous No.13165207]

>>13164895
But why was capitalism, statism, legalism able to conquer over anarchy if anarchy is the original and superior way?
>>13164900
I honestly haven't read Locke and i don't know that I can speak intelligibly about him or what he wrote. Having made that disclosure, the US constitution and western ideas of human rights are based in the idea of the individual. Inalienable rights, etc. And I think individuals are self evident, I'm not addressing a borg entity right now, I'm addressing an individual, even through this anon website. As I said, I haven't read it so I'm probably not addressing what you're getting at here. Sorry.
>>13165046
This is well put, very nice, very beautiful.

... Except 1 thing, the biker gang, thats just tribalism. There is no difference between a gang and a state except the state has monopolized the use of violence. Why do people join gangs in prison? Protection from other gangs.

Thst being said, I approve and applaud every effort to distance yourself from the machine of consumer capitalism, although I don't believe total Dissolution of the state is sustainable long term, despite offering a preferable living condition

[Anonymous No.13165239]

>>13165099
Left wingers can generally agree with those statements except they blame capitalism for it.
>>13165151
Based. Also:redpilled

[Anonymous No.13165261]

>>13165239
>Left wingers can generally agree with those statements except they blame capitalism for it.
REPLACE LEFT WINGERS WITH NAZIS

[Anonymous No.13165281]

>>13165053
You're so condescending. This is why you're being called a bigot in that other thread, why do you have to slip in snide remarks? This is the third time I've engaged in anonymous conversation with you, it's a pattern. It's rude and not even rude from shit posting but internalized snooty condescending rudeness.

[Anonymous No.13165286]

>>13165261
Nazis and communists have more that they can agree on than is surface level obvious

[Anonymous No.13165384]

>>13165286

no, they don't. shut the fuck up, burger.

[Anonymous No.13165389]

>>13164605
>The will of the people didn't turn out the way i wanted so it wasn't the REAL will of the people, we need to correct it.
Every time.