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Anonymous Mon May 13 10:18:25 2019 No.13107948 [DELETED]

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>zeno's paradoxes can be solved by math

Anonymous Mon May 13 11:22:38 2019 No.13108164
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>>13107948
>zeno's paradoxes ca't be solved by math
ftfy

There was a good thread on that once
>>/lit/thread/S10473658
Just saw that it's from 2017. fucc I've been here for too long

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:39:24 2019 No.13108236 >>13108164 it cant

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:44:13 2019 No.13108261 >>13107948 Can be solved by physics though.

Anonymous Mon May 13 11:50:11 2019 No.13108285

Mathematical concepts that formed the basis of calculus do indeed give you the tools to resolve the paradox. It only seems paradoxical because it doesn’t properly take the passage of time into account, it’s always stated as “and then you’d half to move half way, and then a quarter, and then an eighth...” which disguises the fact that the time to accomplish every one of those actions halves itself every time

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:52:06 2019 No.13108293 I want to remind the good folks over at /lit/ that Zeno’s Paradox in it’s essence is about infinite divisibility

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:55:43 2019 No.13108309 >>13108261 >>13108285 nope

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:55:56 2019 No.13108311 File: 17 KB, 903x129, uStupidMotherfuckerTheMereExistenceOfConvergentSeries.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13107948

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:58:13 2019 No.13108318 At some point or another OP is going to drop the boot and say it’s because of “muh Planck time” Can we just skip to then and save the effort of trying to reason with him

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:58:37 2019 No.13108319 File: 31 KB, 113x111, 8809465468451098645498756.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13108236 >>13108309 >it cant >nope great discussion fren

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 11:59:10 2019 No.13108322 >>13108318 retarded >>13108311 >convention is reality kek, still a nope

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 12:03:11 2019 No.13108339 It doesn't matter how far ahead the tortoise starts, you would catch up to it. I tried in real life.

Anonymous Mon May 13 12:29:34 2019 No.13108469

Zeno's paradox is an example of a model failing to accurately represent reality
The point of the paradox is to say "wow, that model had severe limitations, we should be careful of the models we use in the future"
If you look at the paradox and go "wow he really can't ever catch the tortoise, that's crazy" then it went over your head

Anonymous Mon May 13 12:45:10 2019 No.13108546

>>13108469
>Zeno's paradox is an example of a model failing to accurately represent reality
It was never meant to represent reality
>The point of the paradox is to say "wow, that model had severe limitations, we should be careful of the models we use in the future"
The point of the paradox is to shine light on the question of infinite divisibility on the microscopic level
>If you look at the paradox and go "wow he really can't ever catch the tortoise, that's crazy" then it went over your head
I think it went over your head

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 12:48:29 2019 No.13108562 >>13108311 Stupid redditor, that does not need to be a screencap.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 13:04:33 2019 No.13108658 >>13108562 screencap ur mom's pussy juice on my pp

Anonymous Mon May 13 14:04:40 2019 No.13108967
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>>13107948
>>13108164
>>13108285

>Suppose Homer wishes to walk to the end of a path. Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. Before traveling a quarter, he must travel one-eighth; before an eighth, one-sixteenth; and so on.

I think Zeno's argument is quite self-aware and addresses many things. A rebuke of bottom-up Materialism, a Soteriological metaphor for the triviality of detail, a condemnation of Quantity as an abomination, an affirmation of "Eternalism" and a rebuke of Mathematical Metaphysics wherein Number explodes from an eternal Now but cannot commune with Number from another Now. The latter being very important to Absolute Monism.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 14:11:21 2019 No.13109010 >>13108967 Okay that's interesting. Why didn't Zeno just say that?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 14:12:32 2019 No.13109018 You don't "solve" paradoxes, you ignore them. dabs

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 14:14:07 2019 No.13109029 this triggers the fedoras of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 14:17:39 2019 No.13109052 >>13108164 Ummm... is that warosu sure a good thread of zeno's paradox? I've only seen david chalmers and chinese room

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 14:20:16 2019 No.13109064 File: 166 KB, 1200x1000, brainlet wojak.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Fermat's Last Theorem has been solved

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 14:25:51 2019 No.13109096 >>13109064 please elaborate. dont know shit about fermat

Anonymous Mon May 13 14:51:10 2019 No.13109205

>>13107948
EXPLAIN BERGSON'S "ANSWER" OF ZENO'S PARADOX TO ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU! DON'T DUMB IT DOWN INTO SOME VAGUE SHIT! EXPLAIN BERGSON'S "ANSWER" OF ZENO'S PARADOX TO ME RIGHT NOW OR I'LL LITERALLY FUCKING KILL YOu! WHAT THE FUCK IS A "TIME IS NOT A SPACE HURR DURR DURR"? WHAT THE FUCK IS DURATION? WHY HE DIDN'T GIVE UP WHEN EINSTEIN DIDN'T GET HIS THEORY OF TIME? DON'T DUMB IT DOWN OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU

my god I just want to sleep

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:38:13 2019 No.13109408 >>13109096 x^3+y^3=z^3 has a non-trivial solution where x, y, and z are all integers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:39:22 2019 No.13109413 >>13109408 Please go ahead, what are these non-trivial whole numbers?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:40:25 2019 No.13109422 >>13109096 >>13109408 The "solution" was too simple compared to the problem posited by Fermat

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:41:13 2019 No.13109426 >>13109413 He's just stating it fren, there are no solutions

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:41:15 2019 No.13109427 >>13109205 i know but wont say

Anonymous Mon May 13 15:42:28 2019 No.13109436

My personal pet peeve is people who are incapable of studying different areas of mathematics.

For instance, I like set theory and game theory as much as the next guy, but aside from contemporary mathematics, I also study older mathematics, so my study extends into geometry, and mathematical pedagogy in general.

Actually I was just talking to a woman about mathematical pedagogy IRL brooo like just a few minutes ago. :3

I mentioned the word 'pedagogy' and she knew exactly what I liked. But I also talked about Euclid and Archimedes and Apollonius.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:42:41 2019 No.13109438 File: 6 KB, 207x243, 550.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >time is just a measurement of entropy

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:47:13 2019 No.13109456 >>13109436 why do you type like a teenager

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:54:56 2019 No.13109512 >>13109438 Time is the assumption of entropy.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:56:00 2019 No.13109516 >>13109413 That was the problem you fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 15:56:52 2019 No.13109521 >>13109438 Time is just an incrementing variable

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 16:15:48 2019 No.13109629 >>13109438 You post only makes sense if the theory that dark energy will win out against gravity is true

Anonymous Mon May 13 16:51:39 2019 No.13109882
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>>13109438
yeah, anyone who thinks the second law of thermodynamics is a suitable metaphor applicable to any situation is a complete and total brainlet. It's almost as bad as people who use evolutionary psych to try to explain why they can't get girlfriends.

don't even get me started on the people who watch lectures on youtube and think they understand things

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 17:08:53 2019 No.13109986 >>13109882 did you make this?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 17:10:07 2019 No.13109996 >>13109456 Why are you so stupid :3

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 17:13:09 2019 No.13110023 >>13108322 >reality >reach point B ok anon

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE Mon May 13 17:19:34 2019 No.13110058 >>13109996 im not, you are

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 17:22:24 2019 No.13110069 File: 55 KB, 386x419, FUCK YOU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13110058 die ugly tranny

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 17:25:43 2019 No.13110083 >>13109438 time is the 4th spatial dimension

Anonymous Mon May 13 17:35:55 2019 No.13110124

>>13109882
Anon, the transistors letting you spew this nonsense wouldn't function if quantum mechanics wasn't correct.
I hate brainlets who try to use it to make retarded statements about the universe without knowing how any of it works as much as you, but there are people who do know how it works, and it wasn't just fucking made up. The people getting the funding bitched about in this retarded image DID successfully prove its tenets decades ago.

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:00:59 2019 No.13110249 File: 39 KB, 442x190, ff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13110127

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:02:20 2019 No.13110255 Hm?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:03:10 2019 No.13110259 >>13110124 *approximately correct which, when we're talking truth, is as good as not correct all

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:11:48 2019 No.13110306 File: 74 KB, 360x899, 1472529081888.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13109986 he probably did, but hey it's actual oc, and I kekled

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