Subvocalization

[Anonymous No.13097085]

Does /lit/ subvocalize when reading. Generally I do but I read so damn slow

[Anonymous No.13097093]

>>13097085
Speed is a meme, a patrician takes his time

[Anonymous No.13097123]

>>13097085
If it's a really good book that has completely engrossed me or in particular scenes.

[Anonymous No.13097124]

Vocalization used to be the norm until late antiquity. Ambrose of Milan popularized reading internally instead of aloud. Augustine even mentioned he was amazed he did not speak when he read.
Real patricians read out loud or subvocalize. Not doing either is a sign of a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.13097154]

I think it depends on the work, you wouldn't intently look at a painting if it's dogshit but if it's done by a real master then you'd take the time to really take it all in

[Anonymous No.13097330]

I do when it's helpful, and don't when it isn't.

[Anonymous No.13097448]

>>13097093
>>13097124
>>13097154
>I-I-m not s-stupid, I just t-take my time!
Cope harder brainletinos

[Anonymous No.13097467]

>>13097448
how is it possible to read without subvocalizing? I try to do it and i just find myself skipping over words and not even enjoying what i’m reading

[Anonymous No.13097470]

>>13097085
Usually when I start to read something, then less so after a minute or so when I get into it.

[Anonymous No.13097503]

>subvocalizing
Isn't it something you're supposed to stop doing after kindergarten? Do you guys also breathe manually and give your feet verbal commands to walk forward?
Where's even the fun in that kind of reading? I don't want to hear the story, I want the story to happen in my mind theatre. I look at the word and it's meaning appears to me instantly, why the fuck would I need to sound it out?

[Anonymous No.13097515]

>>13097503
>t. plot reader
You missed the most important part: prose.

[Anonymous No.13097522]

>>13097503
>mind theatre

[Anonymous No.13097523]

>>13097503
> I don't want to hear the story, I want the story to happen in my mind theatre
These are not mutually exclusive

[Anonymous No.13097527]

>>13097467
That's exactly what non-subvocalized reading is like. It's not for enjoyment.

[Anonymous No.13097549]

>>13097515
I appreciate good prose just fine, my mumbling friend, probably far beyond your level of 'dis werd sound gud!'. I take the whole sentence in instantly, the inscription on the page working as an incantation, producing the meaning in an instant, transcending mere word-structure of its directionally-bound syntax, becoming more than a sum of it's parts.

[Anonymous No.13097555]

>>13097549
Found the pseud

[Anonymous No.13097563]

>>13097549
This is a good meme. I prostrate myself before you my big brain superior. I can't even imagine not vocalizing or subvocalizing

[Anonymous No.13097575]

>>13097555
Most adults do not subvocalize, you're the weird one.

[Anonymous No.13097577]

>>13097527
What's the point of literature if you're not enjoying it, though? Literature is not just about raw information.

[Anonymous No.13097580]

>>13097549
>of it's parts.
It's "its" not "it's". Read more

[Anonymous No.13097585]

>>13097085
sometimes when I don't understand but otherwise it flows smoothly in and I just remember visually?? but sometimes theirs rocks in the river flow and I have to adjust properly and read slower inwhich the subvocalization comes in

[Anonymous No.13097589]

>>13097575
Because most adults don't read LMAO

[Anonymous No.13097590]

>>13097085
What's subvocalizing?

[Anonymous No.13097595]

>>13097575
Gonna need a source on that one chief

[Anonymous No.13097603]

>>13097580
Is this the effect of longterm subvocalizing? Becoming triggered by meaningless changes in spelling as your subvocalizing sub-brain struggles to get past it?

[Anonymous No.13097618]

>>13097085
>reading Vietnam book
>it ain’t me starts subvocalizing

[Anonymous No.13097619]

>>13097603
I don't subvocalize and I'm not the person you were talking to. I just think it's retarded for supposedly native speakers to make such stupid mistakes.

[Anonymous No.13097644]

>>13097619
Alright then Mr. Butt-in, thank you for the correction. FYI I'm not a native english speaker but even if I was I wouldn't care about making a spelling error or proofreading on a cambodian erotic fresco forum.

[Anonymous No.13098521]

>>13097503
>Do you guys also breathe manually

[Anonymous No.13098802]

>>13097575
You’re so wrong. NASA literally has a thing that monitors subvocalization and they tested on a bunch of “speed readers” and found that they STILL subvocalize (just much faster than average).

[Anonymous No.13098807]

>>13098802
>NASA literally has a thing that monitors subvocalization

[Anonymous No.13098835]

I can't think without subvocalizing.
But I don't do it while reading.

[Anonymous No.13098842]

>>13097590
Thinking the words "out loud in your head" while you read. Most humans do that.

[Anonymous No.13098855]

>>13098842
This. They just don't think they're doing it because it's so normal. I didn't think I did until I started noticing after seeing this thread.

[Anonymous No.13099084]

>>13097085
when reading philosophy ill slow down to the point where i sub vocalize with fiction its mostly a breeze

[Anonymous No.13099704]

>>13097093
This. Let speelets turn at mute pace and miss the difference between beautiful and ugly style, the correspondance between sound, mood, vision when the mind is playing like a paragon of sky to whom Earth is comprehended clearly.

[Anonymous No.13099760]

>>13098521
Pic reminds me of the /b/ thread I thought of starting yesterday:

"You're the sort of person who would ------- and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to --------"

Now that's improv we can all make use of.

[Anonymous No.13099806]

Studies have shown that speed-reading utilises the same parts of the brain that are utilised when listening to an audiobook. Probably exaplains why retention is so bad in both cases.

[Anonymous No.13101090]

>>13097124
FUCKING FINALLY
DECLAMATION IS PATRICIAN

[Anonymous No.13101095]

>>13097448
t. Thule believer

[Anonymous No.13101098]

>>13097595
Can't have a source on false information

[Anonymous No.13101110]

>>13099806
Not subvocalizing like a neanderthal =/= speedreading

[Anonymous No.13101116]

How do speedsters read poetry? Do they slow down? Does this extend to lyrical and poetic prose? Where do they draw the line?

[Anonymous No.13101411]

>>13097085
Some types of writing are meant to be subvocalized, and cannot be enjoyed properly when not.
For writing where the author does not care about the sound and flow of the words, but only wants to convey information, it doesn't matter if you do or don't.

[Anonymous No.13101935]

>>13097124
>until late antiquity.
You mean before the (movable type) printing press.
Most of their tales were literal ballads from bards. And the stuff that was written down was hand copied in a verbal voice tense.
>>13098855
>>13098842
>>13098835
>>13098802
>>13097619
Wait wait wait
Wait wait wait
I feel like this thread is working under different definitions of subvocalize.
"Hearing" it in your minds ear is different than subvocalizing

[Anonymous No.13102729]

I subvocalize (or recite wheen I'm alone) when I read poetry and don't when it comes to prose. Apples and oranges.

[Anonymous No.13102783]

>>13097644
>even if I was
*i were. np