Catalog of ships, is there any point in not skiping it?

[Anonymous No.13074835]

[Anonymous No.13074844]

>>13074835
don't skip it

[Anonymous No.13074854]

indeed, naval battles are the backbone of the hellenistic era and its changes. if you want to understand the birth of western philosophy, you must know them ships.

[Anonymous No.13074871]

In the Iliad? It takes 1 minute to read and is a very interesting but brief look at the geopolitical situation of Greece.

What is with all the Iliad hate lately?

[Anonymous No.13074876]

>>13074871
A sure sign of a brainlet invasion, anon. Be on guard.

[Anonymous No.13074894]

>>13074871
seriously in the amount of time it took this retarded op to post this thread he could have read the fucking thing jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.13074977]

>>13074835
Yeah
You get to laugh at the fact that Athens sends a contingent even though the city didn't exist yet according to the timeline

[Anonymous No.13074986]

>>13074977
Yes it did

[Anonymous No.13074994]

>>13074986
My uncle (a classicist) once told me that the Athenian contingent was basically retconned into the original poem
I could definitely be wrong, but he's usually good with this stuff

[Anonymous No.13075036]

>>13074994
Athens was around in the mycenaean period, there is archeological proof, not to mention tradition Athenian belief .
It's has been continously populated for at least 7000 years.

[Anonymous No.13075070]

>>13075036
Whoops

I'll stop propagating that myth then

thx

[Anonymous No.13075082]

>>13074977
>>13074994
Athens is one of the oldest cities in the world, much older than the Iliad. There is extremely strong evidence that a fortress existed there during the Mycenaean period.

[Anonymous No.13075279]

>>13074835
Bruh isn’t it like 2-3 pages max? I don’t remember it taking very long

[Anonymous No.13075298]

>>13074835
yeah skip it. if you feel like it you can skip all the violence passages as well without offence to homer

[Anonymous No.13075301]

>>13075036
>>13074835
What’s the dating on the events described in the Iliad? Its describing a very late pre-historic period isn’t it? Like 12th-10th centuryish B.C.? I find it very interesting contemplating what may have been real about the Iliad. I wouldn’t be surprised if there really was an Achilles, an Odysseus, and an Agamemnon, and a myth sprung up around them as war heroes (and Ithaca venerating a favorite king). Homer is so much fun to read.

[Anonymous No.13075328]

>>13075301
earlier than that i believe. it was all quite distant history by the time homer 'wrote' it. the city of troy was a ruin well before homer was born and the story cycle came about with poets making up stories about how it fell

[Anonymous No.13075353]

>>13074835
>he can't read the iliad without lapsing into self-pity
not going to make it friend. start over from the beginning, and this time, try actually reading the book without thinking about yourself every thirty seconds.

[Anonymous No.13075933]

>>13075353
Read it out loud to yourself, as it was meant to be taken in.

[Anonymous No.13075940]

>>13075933
what, in greek?

[Anonymous No.13075991]

>>13075301
sometime around the bronze age collapse

[Anonymous No.13076359]

>>13075328
>>13075301
Anything before the 7th century is hard to say with any certainty, but these are some generally accepted date ranges. It's hard to see but I have the Trojan war in the 12 century. Eratosthenes dated the fall of Troy at 1184.