Why is romance dead?

[Anonymous No.13053374]

Notions of beauty and romantic love, of sweetness and light seemed to have vacated the mainstream consciousness of the west replaced by a preoccupation with mindless rutting, ridiculously over the top pornography and a detached view of romantic relationships that verge on the utilitarian - "well he's alright - he earns a lot and is decent in bed so we'll see what happens." Crass materialism dominates the landscape. The great love stories of history would be seen as laughably quaint, if made today.

Are there any books that chart this shift?

[Anonymous No.13053496]

Because you cannot jerk off to a fairy tale

[Anonymous No.13053508]

>>13053496
Why is jerking off such a big deal at all?

[Anonymous No.13053516]

>>13053374
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.13053533]

industrial corporatism, social liberalism, hyper-individuality, culture replaced by the culture industry.

[Anonymous No.13053622]

>>13053516
Why do people speak in memes when they don't know what to say? Is it narcissism that compels them to speak despite their ignorance?

[Anonymous No.13053628]

>>13053508

Because that's all there is to do in the modern world

[Anonymous No.13053638]

>>13053374
To attach "love" to beauty is folly, and probably why the field died.

[Anonymous No.13053641]

hyper-individuality, narcissist self-regulation and one-dimensional relationships to one another. it's sad how something as emblematically selfless as love, is so often seen, or at least approached, with selfish goals in mind. online dating, for example. it's become an addiction. you may feel sad or rejected or whatever, but you can open your gambling app and with a bit of luck some stranger will reassure your confidence. surrogates of intimacy are involved, but both parts are entirely doing it for themselves. you can even rate your dates on bumble, literally treating each other like Amazon products.
this is not to say that love doesn't exist anymore or that in the past it was much better, but in our training to become more superficial, narcissistic and pathological, the meaning of things like romance is changing.
a life outside narcissist self-regulation would look fundamentally different - without work mania, without rivalry and performance-stress, without dog-fight competition and without the pressure for permanent self-promotion and self-assertion. as long as all these pressures still dominate, the basic prerequisites for developing free social individuals beyond commodified subjectivity are lacking.

i'd rec Marcuse

[Anonymous No.13053651]

>>13053622
you will see unsentimental appraisals of human relationships in the bible and ancient greek stories faggot. i'm not saying there's no such change or that we aren't more cynical now, but you're still a little dumb crybaby with no historical consciousness as it were. contemporary prolefeed is still full of sappy romantic crap.

[Anonymous No.13053727]

>>13053374
Romance was never the default human condition.

It just sells well on TV and in books.

[Anonymous No.13053773]

>>13053651
>i'm not saying there's no such change or that we aren't more cynical now
You're not really saying anything are you? More inarticulate grumbling from a poorly read child.

[Anonymous No.13053777]

>>13053727
>Romance was never the default human condition.
So? What does the default human condition look like?
>It just sells well on TV and in books
Why?

[Anonymous No.13053794]

>>13053773
crying? you are poorly read.

[Anonymous No.13053805]

>>13053374
Work week has reduced the average work week to perennially cynical, miserable slug who thinks he's matured past cloying sentimentality and the romanticisms of old but doesn't have a single poetic bone or original thought in his body, nothing to justify his attitude but his broken body and tired mind

[Anonymous No.13053806]

>>13053794
What's your first language?

[Anonymous No.13053818]

>>13053374
There's a song
Diams cause a effet

[Anonymous No.13053837]

>>13053374
>why is romance dead?
Smartphones

[Anonymous No.13053881]

>>13053374
Hey OP, you are right........no beauty, no peace, no love, no sun, no moon.
It hurts...

[Anonymous No.13053891]

>>13053777
>So? What does the default human condition look like?
Romance is a luxury of idleness when resources are abundant. When they are scare and time and energy is at a premium, people will revert to more primal behavioral patterns.

We are descended from animalistic, savage and brutal creatures that engaged in sister rape, infanticide, human sacrifice and just murder the next tribe for food, and so on.

>Why?
If you really want to know more just google it, there are plenty of resources online investigating early human behavior and evolutionary psychology. It gets technical, so how deep you want to go down that rabbit hole is up to you.

The tl;dr is technological advancement freed up psychological time spent trying not do die which now had to find something to occupy itself with, and well, the euphoria induced by romantic narratives is nothing more than pleasure seeking from reproduction but not operating on satisfying the primal sex drive but on satisfying the social niche drive.

Something like that.

[Anonymous No.13053916]

>>13053374
social media apps like tinder and instagram, sitting in your chair and jerking off to your screen culture, no real need for long term pair bonding in society anymore (the government will take care of the poorer partner if a couple divorces and they have kids)

[Anonymous No.13053970]

Pity the fool.

[Anonymous No.13053973]

>>13053374
Crime and Punishment.

[Anonymous No.13053974]

>>13053891
>We are descended from animalistic, savage and brutal creatures that engaged in sister rape, infanticide, human sacrifice and just murder the next tribe for food, and so on.

im absolutely convinced at this point this is reddit propaganda, yeah life was harsh and cruel and difficult but the more and more I see this narrative pushed the more and more I'm convinced there's an agenda behind it

[Anonymous No.13053992]

>>13053891
>Romance is a luxury of idleness when resources are abundant.
By this logic romance should be more popular than ever, when it's clear that isn't the case.
>When they are scare and time and energy is at a premium, people will revert to more primal behavioral patterns.
Why do you see primal thought patterns brought on by extreme situations as the default?
>blah evolutionary psych blah
Surely the "social niche drive" that leads to a desire for romance is as much a part of "the default human" as the sex drive.

[Anonymous No.13053994]

>>13053992
the relationship between the sexes changes in nature according to the times(complex socio economic variables), its not black or white "romance or rape", romance was a product of its time and now its going away

[Anonymous No.13053997]

>>13053974
They are trying to discredit man as made in the image of God.
It's the only way they can eventually impose the mandatory abortions, the guard-drones flying over every city, the genesplicing of humans and animals, the pseudo deification of AI (ie demon possessed computers), the concentration camps, the last stage of the Demonic rule upon the world.

[Anonymous No.13054001]

>>13053994
>caught in flagrante of self contraddiction
>time for some obscuration!

[Anonymous No.13054004]

>>13053891
>We are descended from animalistic, savage and brutal creatures that engaged in sister rape, infanticide, human sacrifice and just murder the next tribe for food, and so on.
That didnt prohibit romance. It only gave it more reason to exist.
Romance thrives in such conditions.

[Anonymous No.13054014]

>>13053974
>>13053997
>arguing with christian about history dating back more than a couple thousand years

Yeah I've done that enough in the past to know I'm just wasting my time.

[Anonymous No.13054023]

>>13053994
What was the time that produced romance and how is this time different?

[Anonymous No.13054037]

>>13054013
i dont know

[Anonymous No.13054044]

>>13053974
Redpilled as fuck
>>13054014
Reddit as fuck. Not even a christian
Incest was always a taboo

[Anonymous No.13054052]

>>13053374
I agree with OP. Everything nowadays is vulgar. romance written by men is softcore pornography with a cardboard stand-in for a woman. romance written by women devolves into angst filled love triangles. i just want wholesome love between a man and a woman.

[Anonymous No.13054061]

>>13054052
im not trying to antagonize you but have you thought maybe your conception of "old timey romance" is a complete fabrication?
Some years ago i had the chance to read some "love" letters my grandfather sent my grandmother when they were courting. It was basically whatsapp tier garbage.ie: "A friend told me he saw you at the town dance, you told me you didnt like dances"

[Anonymous No.13054070]

>>13054061
romance irl and romance in fiction are two different things. i never worshipped the 1950s in my post, thank you.

[Anonymous No.13054072]

>>13054014
Yeah yeah I've heard it all before you fucking turing flunkie, have fun dying from a scratch at 33, hope you enjoy your shitting your guts out from bad water at 15, welp I hope you're ready to die from a bugbite at -6 gorillion years old, le nasty short and brutish, yak yak fuckin' yak

[Anonymous No.13054083]

>>13054044
>Incest was always a taboo
completely false

[Anonymous No.13054086]

>>13054044
But I pray every day and God answers my prayers faithfully.

>>13054072
>the absolute state of Christian argumentative sophistication

[Anonymous No.13054095]

>>13053970
God I wish that were me
why was I made sapient

[Anonymous No.13054135]

>>13053374
One spook less. I don't give a fuck about, nothing of value is lost.

[Anonymous No.13054149]

Because people think of romance as some fictional nonsense that was a made up barrier preventing sexual gratification.

[Anonymous No.13054157]

>>13054135
What isn't a spook?

[Anonymous No.13054170]

> The body is imaginary, and we bow to the tyranny of a phantom. Love is a privileged perception, the most total and lucid not only of the unreality of the world but of our own unreality: not only do we traverse a realm of shadows; we ourselves are shadows.

[Anonymous No.13054182]

intimacy is for the weak

[Anonymous No.13054192]

>>13053374
It only existed in your head. It's because of social media.

[Anonymous No.13054250]

>>13054070
I think there's been a real problem of the sexes dehumanising each other for a long time. This is nothing new. Jane Austen largely wrote to parody the ways in which men and women never really understood each other in terms of romance, and this was in the 18th century.

Now that porn is seen as less vulgar, it means that sex comes more into play in romance fiction now. Prior to this however, men saw women as nothing more than muses to validate their egos, and women saw men as a means of social security.

What I'm driving at is that romance fiction based on pure feelings of love rather than material wants has always been rare.

[Anonymous No.13054271]

>>13054250
>Jane Austen
Well, I'll have to read her. It's just a great shame that the sexes seem incapable of understanding each other. now in modern times it's worse than ever, both sides screaming horrible accusations at each other. i just want pure warm cuddly love.

[Anonymous No.13054294]

Read Anna Karenina FAGGOTS.

[Anonymous No.13054345]

>>13054294
NO

[Anonymous No.13054360]

>>13053374
what's with incels and lamenting that things that never actually existed don't exist anymore in The West

[Anonymous No.13054539]

>>13054360
I don't know, you tell me.

[Anonymous No.13054639]

>>13054271
The thing I find interesting about gender conflict is that it more or less completely dissapates during times of war. It was the combined efforts of men AND women that actually defeated the Axis Powers during WW2, and the suffragette's attempts to shame men through the white feather campaign during this time was met with widespread scorn by both men and women. Steps were even made towards actual gende equality, since women were recruited as factory workers, spies due to the Allies' "all hands on deck" approach to battling the Nazis.


I think gender conflict is largely a product of peace and a lack of the genders sharing a common objective. Men and women work together better when they share a common goal and something actively threatens them both. This is why I feel the cult of individualism present in society is exacerbating the problem, as there's just no unity.
If we want men and women to stop fighting, I feel as though we need to give them both something to fight for. This is why romantic relationships that endure hardship tend to have longevity, where as fickle relationships crumble at the first sign of conflict.

[Anonymous No.13054656]

>>13053374
i think love is the only thing still living?

[Anonymous No.13054684]

>>13054639
This is also true of class conflict anon

[Anonymous No.13054698]

>>13053374
>off topic post
>"any books for this feel?"
I'll bite though against my better judgment. Dating apps and social media, despite their popularity have been an unmitigated disaster for interpersonal relationship. We now have big tech corporations reshaping the way people interact with each other because of a profit motive. A good example of this is tinder: they've said it themselves they want to do away with thr notion of love, marriage and monogamy because these things don't lend themselves very well to their buisseness model, and as such you have the financial incentive motivating these companies to push for hookup culture.

[Anonymous No.13054733]

>>13054698
based ted

[Anonymous No.13054743]

>>13054698
based

[Anonymous No.13054751]

>ctrl + F "thots"
>0 answer

The answer is" thots".

[Anonymous No.13054945]

>>13053773
But anon... He is saying something :) read more, learn more about history, and you'll see that your question itself is misguided and idiotic :)

[Anonymous No.13054962]

>>13053374
The loss of faith is the cause.

[Anonymous No.13054982]

>>13054945
Cringe but redpilled response

[Anonymous No.13055034]

>>13054945
Hi, could you be more vague please? I'm getting the sense you're talking out of your bum :D

[Anonymous No.13055059]

Read Stendhal aHA aHA ha

[Anonymous No.13055071]

Why rely on disney tale meme engineered to promote long term happiness when you can have McSex instant gratification?

[Anonymous No.13055613]

>>13054271
>Well, I'll have to read her.
It's basically the exact same hypergamous rape fantasy as every other female-written "romance", don't bother.

[Anonymous No.13055669]

>>13055613
Bollocle

[Anonymous No.13055727]

>>13053974
You are right. It's bugmen easy to digest "I love science" broscience reverting to authority by dropping science buzzwords.

[Anonymous No.13055765]

>>13054698
They also get budget from corporations and supranational organizations to spread STDs

[Anonymous No.13055842]

>>13054192

bruh that pic just depresses me fucking delete it please, thanks

[Anonymous No.13055991]

>>13053374
With a few exceptions such as among well-off people in 19th century England, notions of romantic love would have been seen as impractical fairy tales by most people in almost every age and land. That said, don't let 4chan fool you into thinking that the world is full of deranged porn addicts. Most people I know in real life are looking for rather vanilla relationships and want to get married and have kids.
As for sweetness and light, it comes and goes in different forms. The Christcucks probably did a pretty good job of instilling hope in people, but eventually everyone who isn't stupid or mentally ill realized that Christianity was almost certainly just fairy tales.
More recently, the hippy and new age movements brought forth new kinds of hopefulness.

[Anonymous No.13057332]

>>13055991
You sound underage