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[Anonymous No.13015735]

what would he think of trump

[Anonymous No.13015856]

>>13015735
He would hate him obviously. See his chapters in Revolt of the Elites about discourse. Everything Trump embodies inculcates a lack of respect for standards, virtue, debate, and civil society. While Lasch was a "populist", a term he used tentatively to identify a particular late 1800s sociopolitical movement, he was not a populist in the sense that people call Trump a populist. Trump's populism means rallying the forgotten masses under a strong executive branch as a necessary check against legislative elites, using a kind of brash slam politics to navigate ideological contests and outwile his opponents. Lasch's populism means devolving the function of those legislative elites to local communities, whose ability is maintained by democratisation of the tools of competence and prosperity, which includes a spirited defence of moral standards, intellectual attainment, and economic self-sufficiency by the locality.

[Anonymous No.13015899]

>>13015735
The therapeutic society that displaced the traditional family fails to give the superego meaningful structure as a defense against infantile rage of separation. The result is a primal superego filled with archaic images of the parents as giants who can satisfy every wish. Trump embodies this fantasy of the omnipotent father for a society without fathers.

[Anonymous No.13016060]

>>13015735
Who knows

[Anonymous No.13017668]

Buml

[Anonymous No.13017687]

>>13015856
>Trump's populism means rallying the forgotten masses under a strong executive branch as a necessary check against legislative elites
forgotten masses believe this then wonder why they are forgotten

brainletcanyon.jepeg

[Anonymous No.13017697]

>>13015856
>Lasch's populism means devolving the function of those legislative elites to local communities, whose ability is maintained by democratisation of the tools of competence and prosperity, which includes a spirited defence of moral standards, intellectual attainment, and economic self-sufficiency by the locality.
sounds a lot like Thomas Jefferson

[Anonymous No.13017703]

>>13017687
It's not all that different from the old English idea of "king and commons," is it? The idea that the Sovereign stands up for the common masses against the combined forces of the aristocracy and the merchant class.

[Anonymous No.13017706]

>>13017703
If you think Trump is that you're brain dead.

[Anonymous No.13017709]

>>13017706
That is exactly how Trump brands himself though

[Anonymous No.13017960]

>>13015856
>>13015899
These, but I also imagine he would not be particularly surprised at his rise, given that it is the logical conclusion to the social and economics dynamics he was clearly attuned to. Trump and the managerial elites who hope to displace him deserve each other and while he would not be so cynical as to see in The Donald a useful rhetorical sledgehammer against managerial liberalism, there are others today who luckily do not share such compunctions.

[Anonymous No.13018037]

>>13015735
Both sides fall into the narcissism trap, both are partially right in their own ways but also massively self deceptive and idiotic.

[Anonymous No.13018217]

Threads like this make me wish /pol/ wasn't so full of fucking morons. This thread probably properly belongs on /pol/, but there's no way it would ever have this level of discussion if it was made there.

[Anonymous No.13018299]

>>13015735
saw Lasch's daughter at Wegmans a few weeks ago

[Anonymous No.13018375]

>>13018299
And? What? Did you bend down to sniff her panties?

[Anonymous No.13018657]

>>13017709
Maybe, but then he goes and appoints the Wall Street crony capitalists he was supposed to protect the common masses from.

[Anonymous No.13019606]

>>13017687
>>13017706
>>13018657
I'm not claiming that Trump is a good leader or politician or that he's an "authentic" voice of the masses. I'm just characterising him by examining the exercise of political power under his Presidency, so as to make it clear how his populism differs from Lasch's.

>>13017697
Interesting connection, I don't know enough about late 1700s-early 1800s America to guess what Lasch might think, and I don't know a lot about Jefferson's ideas. There do seem to be connections, though Lasch doesn't seem as a priori hostile towards manufacturers, industrialists, and urbanisation.