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[Anonymous No.12919920]

Which modern thinkers will still be remembered in 500 years time?

[Anonymous No.12919921]

>>12919920
Rupi Kaur, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.12919922]

>>12919920
Define modern

[Anonymous No.12919923]

Chomsky won't but Zizek will.

I know it sounds crazy but in your heart of hearts you know this is true.

[Anonymous No.12919931]

>>12919920
>>12919921
>>12919922
>>12919923
impressive

[Anonymous No.12919937]

>>12919922
Anywhere from the 1950s up until now.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12919938]

We’re all dead in about 100

[Anonymous No.12919953]

>>12919920
Nick Land
Deleuze
Derrida
Negarestani
Brassier
Wolfendale
Joyce
Lacan
Foucault
icycalm
Wark
Russell
Guenon
Girard
Whitehead

[Anonymous No.12919960]

Jordan Peterson
LMAOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.12921493]

Wittgenstein. All answers above this post are meme answers.

[Anonymous No.12921497]

Elliot Rodger

[Anonymous No.12921503]

Heidegger

[Anonymous No.12921510]

>>12919923
Really? I think Zizek is too grounded in contemporary pop culture to have an significant impact, and I don't know if his theoretical work has introduced anything that will be of lasting importance.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12921513]

>>12919923
Why? Because you believe statism will continue?

[Anonymous No.12921514]

>>12919920
Neil de grasse tyson. All answers above this post are meme answers.

[Anonymous No.12921518]

Sheldon Cooper

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12921524]

>>12921514

[Anonymous No.12922446]

>>12919920
Well, by 2500, the Muslims who make up the majority of Europe will probably burn every book written by an atheist in the 20th century. So no European philosopher will matter anymore, since their ideas are heretical.

In the United States the average citizen will probably not know what philosophy is by that time either, so no, none of them will be relevant there either.

The greatest irony of all of this is that it has been the criminal behavior of left-wing philosophers and atheists that will result in the annihilation of their ideas and beliefs. Nothing any of them said will matter at all. It never mattered except to white liberals, and there will never be more of those than there are right now. Their numbers are already dwindling.

[Anonymous No.12922457]

>>12922446
>In the United States the average citizen will probably not know what philosophy is by that time either
Bruh I got some bad news.

[Anonymous No.12922462]

>>12919920
peterson for ending the neet/incel lifestyle

[Anonymous No.12922485]

>>12919920
There will be no thinking in 500 years time. AI will prevent and persecute any deviating thinking patterns.

[Anonymous No.12922504]

>>12922485
But what *is* thought.

[Anonymous No.12922513]

how have u guys not gotten rid of butterfly yet

[Anonymous No.12922535]

young chomsky was based af. tore buckley a new one

[Anonymous No.12922540]

>>12922535
CHAD

[Anonymous No.12922543]

>>12919920
Centuries to come.

[Anonymous No.12922575]

>>12919920
when did he realize he was part of the Cathedral?

[Anonymous No.12922577]

>>12919923
Zizek only wrote relevant shit about the 90s, and has been basically copy/pasting since then, he is not even relevant now

[Anonymous No.12922581]

>>12922543
is he really in Lituania?

[Anonymous No.12922604]

>>12919953
>Nick Land
too obscure
>Deleuze
300 years of relevance tops, but some people keep calling him "the last great french thinker", so maybe 350
>Derrida
not really
>Negarestani
already unknown
>Brassier
0% chance unless his next 10 books become memes
>Wolfendale
already unknown
>Joyce
???
>Lacan
nope
>Foucault
nope
>icycalm
not even a thinker
>Wark
nope
>Russell
nope
>Guenon
nope
>Girard
similar as Deleuze, but not really
>Whitehead
too obscure

[Anonymous No.12922607]

>>12919953
>Deleuze
barely relevant now except for some people copying his style

[Anonymous No.12922611]

>>12919923
I distinctly remember Zizek being treating as something of a buffoon and not someone to take too seriously by most intellectuals before the current political climate took hold. I think people on the left are giving him more credence now because of just how badly discourse has broken down between the left/right etc. In terms of his original contributions to philosophy I don't think he will be remember too well a century from now.

[Anonymous No.12922625]

>>12922611
but he has nothing interesting to say about the current explosion of politics, he was writing for a post-ideological world and has not really updated his stance to now that people are having explicit political positions again. probably too old to have fresh ideas by this point

[Anonymous No.12922648]

>>12922625
Regardless he is something of an enigmatic figure with a lot of charisma who can potentially steer people away from the likes of Peterson et el. His potential utility and not his ideas are the main reason why the left is giving him more credence now than in the past.

[Anonymous No.12922675]

>>12922581
huh?

[Anonymous No.12922680]

>>12922648
i don't think he has any alternative to Peterson beyond normie social-dems like Bernie, which will fail to confront the problems of modernity even if they win elections

[Anonymous No.12922689]

>>12922446
The usa is gonna be a bunch of spic catholic mongrels, vs muslim mongrels while chinks laugh on the moon or some shit. Gonna be a wild ride

[Anonymous No.12922701]

>>12922675
this is huh, wow

[Anonymous No.12922811]

>>12922446
Please don't say this. I'm non-European, with the deepest respect for Europe and it's cultures, and hope so strongly that the Muslim invasion we hear projected of does not come to be in reality - that ideally secularization will transform them quicker than they transform Western culture with Islamism, thus converting them before they can convert us. I hope so, dear lord. Atheism, in the momentum it gave to the scientific revolution, and the movement away from blind acceptance of theology, is in many ways the greatest thing that ever happened to our world, and the West in specific deserves the highest praise for being the geniuses who conceived of the scientific method - the single most revolutionary development of history, in my view. Regardless of what the Christians here might whine about it, science has benefitted them more than they could ever realize. We only need to now restore concepts like transcendence, meaning, purpose and so on through it, to create a complete system for humanity to follow and benefit from. Let's just hope that we eventually arrive at such a future, and not the one you've described. We can only hope, so let's please do so.

[Anonymous No.12923163]

Francis fukuyama

[Anonymous No.12923177]

>>12922811
Based politeposter, are you the japanese guy?

[Anonymous No.12923200]

>>12919920
The French Postmodernists are a given.

[Anonymous No.12923212]

>>12923177
Nope, don't know who that is. I'm actually a Pajeet who just genuinely loves Western culture/civilization a lot and wants to see it both uplift itself from its cultural degradation while simultaneously not reverting itself to the chains of Abrahamic irrationalism, of either the previous Christian or future Muslim varieties. If the West could revive some kind of sophisticated spirituality within itself, while still adhering to rationalism and the scientific method they have contributed so much to the world by, then it'd unironically be the greatest civilization in the world, and an absolute jewel to all those who behold it.

[Anonymous No.12923274]

>>12923212
You are being cucked by the wh*toids. Fix up.

[Anonymous No.12924095]

>>12922604
By remembered I think they mean more ‘will still be included in histories of thought as being important’ rather than ‘the average person will know the name’. The average person doesn’t know the names of any late medieval philosophers but we all know Ockham and Nicholas of Cusa etc.

Whitehead is still remembered and his major work in nearly 100 years old, so I’d say it’s not absurd to put some chips on him.

Of all the others mentioned Foucault easily has the best chance of being remembered. He was an original thinker who wrote on plenty of topics, and isn’t completely awful to read.

>>12919923
All Zizeks books need extensive knowledge of contemporary popular culture. In just 50 years his books would need to be republished with heavy annotations for anybody to make any sense of him. He’s written himself in such a way it guarantees mass popularity today but utter indecipherability in the future

[Anonymous No.12924185]

Premier Xi Jingping for his books socialism with Chinese characteristics

[Anonymous No.12925181]

>>12922604

lol being a "great French thinker" means nothing to being remembered. People called Bergson "the new Plato" and the Nobel committee gave Einstein the prize for blackbody radiation not relativity to head off a shitstorm from Bergson fanboys.
Now hardly anyone reads Bergson, even on time and memory.

[Anonymous No.12925375]

>>12922604
>Joyce
>??
t. has to have his arguments spelled out in standard form

[Anonymous No.12925422]

>>12923274
Irrationality and arrogance

[Anonymous No.12925783]

>>12919923

Chomsky is famous (as in, you have to read him in every University on the planet) because of his work on linguistics, not whatever he thinks about politics.
He will never be forgotten because he is already an important part of the history of linguistics.

[Anonymous No.12925859]

>>12925783
based. Chomsky's linguistic work ensures his immortality imo

[Anonymous No.12925866]

>>12922457
KEK

Americans think philosophers either write famous quotes & sayings, or administrate mass on Sunday.

[Anonymous No.12925947]

>>12923212
B R I N G
G N O S T I C I S M
B A C K

[Anonymous No.12925971]

>>12925783
Yeah, anybody who thinks Zizek is going to outlive Chomsky knows nothing of his work.

[Anonymous No.12926013]

>>12925859
ok pal

[Anonymous No.12926040]

>>12919920
Jordan Peterson
>>12919923
>Chomsky won't but Zizek will
It's the opposite, actually.

[Anonymous No.12926064]

>>12921493
This. He'll be like Descartes, mostly unread but revered by future intellectuals and a couple slogans will become mainstream. Probably "what we cannot say, we must pass over in silence." Or "the limits of my language mean the limits of my world." No one will understand the tractatus

[Anonymous No.12926079]

>>12922446
Islam is the only Saviour of Europe. I'm glad they slowly replacing Europeans. Who cares about your shitty philosophy books, Quran is the only book you need.

[Anonymous No.12926088]

>>12922446
>In the United States the average citizen will probably not know what philosophy is
>will probably not know what philosophy is
>will

[Anonymous No.12926090]

>>12926064
>descartes is mostly unread
top kek

[Anonymous No.12926115]

>>12923212
Christiaity is literally the inseperable part of western civilization. don't expect a pajeet to get it though

[Anonymous No.12926132]

>>12926090
Compared to how many dumb students know "I think therefore I am" to those that read his actual books? Yeah, he's more revered than read. Plus no one reads his actual book that Discourse on method was a prologue to. He'll, even wikipedia calls it a 500 page "appendix" to discourse on method.

[Anonymous No.12926232]

>>12926064
On the list of thinkers “more cited than read” Descartes is far from that category. Discourse of Method and Meditations are both widely read undergrad texts, a lot of high schoolers read Meditations. It’s not like Marx or Hegel, or even Nietzsche, where the amount of discussion about them is vastly out of proportion to how often people read the primary texts.

[Anonymous No.12926237]

>>12926115
not really, no. has little in common with pre-christian greek culture besides what it stole from it

[Anonymous No.12926284]

>>12919923

Nobody in the continental tradition from 1975 onwards will be remembered in any capacity

Chomsky will be remembered

Nagel, Singer, Kripke

>>12919953

About 30% correct

[Anonymous No.12926293]

>>12926284

Oh, and Habermas

[Anonymous No.12926309]

>>12919920
probably me tbqh...

[Anonymous No.12926324]

>>12926232
I may have misstated what I tried to say. I think Descartes is mostly an empty cultural figure, and I think in 500 years wittgenstein will have the same kind of empty cultural presence, but I think he will be remembered

[Anonymous No.12926370]

>>12926284
Kripke sure, but I doubt Nagel and Singer will be. Like sure Nagel made contributions but I’m not sure why you’d pick him rather than any number of other contemporary philosophers. Is he going to be canonized, but not Dennett, Fodor, Chalmers, the Churchlands, etc?

I’d say Searle has a better chance at canonization than either Nagel or Singer.

Also I can’t believe nobody has mentioned Rawls. He’s already canonized and I don’t see any reason why that would change.

Maybe it’s more of a long shot but I think Charles Taylor also has a good shot at long term canonization, especially if Christianity ends up becoming resurgent

[Anonymous No.12926385]

>>12926370
hello

[Anonymous No.12926389]

>>12926385
Yeah exactly, I’d pick Putnam over Nagel any day

[Anonymous No.12926413]

>>12926013
not who you replied to, but lol dude the guys work in linguistics was seminal stuff. Also he's consistently hailed as the worlds top public intellectual. He's written over a 100 books for christs sake. Whether or not you like the guy is moot. If the question is in 500 years time, he's got the best shot.

[Anonymous No.12926437]

>>12919920
David Foster Wallace

[Anonymous No.12926442]

>>12919920
Dana Ward

[Anonymous No.12926456]

Bruno Latour

[Anonymous No.12926460]

>>12926437
I think he is inordinately popular on /lit/.

He strikes me as how /lit/ wishes to write/critique (after all we don't write here, we critique and admonish).

He's a freak, but I don't think he's revolutionary enough.

[Anonymous No.12926540]

>>12919920

My boy Chris

[Anonymous No.12926634]

>>12919920
Foucault. Chomsky is boring as fuck and doesn't break much ground and Zizek is a big meme that won't hold up in half a millennia.

[Anonymous No.12927174]

>>12926634

[Anonymous No.12927183]

>>12926370
>Nagel
>hurr durr, i like to molest students, i'm just a bat

[Anonymous No.12927184]

>>12926456
isn't that book just cope and trying to replace the proletariat with global warming?

[Anonymous No.12927190]

>>12926634
>Zizek is a big meme that won't hold up in half a millennia
in 10 or 20 years maximum he'll be gone, depends how long meme-studies like film-studies survive

[Anonymous No.12927191]

>>12919923
O 100%, Chomsky preaches to the choir, which will earn you plenty of contemporary esteem but make you historically irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.12927327]

>>12924095
>Foucault easily has the best chance of being remembered.
I think so too, but more for his discourses on biopolitics than Discipline & Punish. Linking advancements in medicine to demand for a healthier labour force is the blackest of black pills.

[Anonymous No.12928487]

>>12922446
eastern europe is the future, carrying the dead weight of west europe

the eastern european´s burden

[Anonymous No.12928491]

>>12928487
should we thank commies for that?

[Anonymous No.12928497]

>>12928491
ironically.......yes

[Anonymous No.12928652]

*contemporary

[Anonymous No.12928660]

>>12919920
Me, but not because I was good at thought

[Anonymous No.12929190]

>>12928660
why then?

[Anonymous No.12929246]

>>12921513
wtf I love butterfly now

[Anonymous No.12929277]

Tzotcho Boiadjiev! obviously

[Anonymous No.12930018]

>>12919920
taleb obv

[Anonymous No.12930064]

Teddy

[Anonymous No.12930079]

>>12925866
>tfw you're not in Rome

[Anonymous No.12930081]

>>12922543
RIP King Terry

[Anonymous No.12930091]

>>12926540
BASED LANGAN HOLY SHIT

[Anonymous No.12930369]

>>12922446
>Well, by 2500, the Muslims who make up the majority of Europe
reminder that a 56%er posted this

[Anonymous No.12930380]

>>12922485
There will be nothing but thinking in 500 years time. AI will dematerialize and systematize any still-resistant material compound.

[Anonymous No.12930418]

>>12925181
Bergson is still part of the philosophical canon and a household name in many a cultured household.

[Anonymous No.12930423]

>>12926237
>Christianity is not inseperable part of western culture cause 2000 years ago Greeks weren't Christians

[Anonymous No.12930720]

>>12922811
>>12923212
I appreciate you, based Pajeet politeposter