/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12896848]

What highly renowned literature explain why this is allowed to happen?
>The photograph depicts United States Air Force Lt Col Robert L. Stirm being reunited with his family, after spending more than five years in captivity as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. Stirm was shot down over Hanoi on October 27, 1967, while leading a flight of F-105s on a bombing mission, and was not released until March 14, 1973. The centerpiece of the photograph is Stirm's 15-year-old daughter Lorrie, who is excitedly greeting her father with outstretched arms, as the rest of the family approaches directly behind her

>Despite outward appearances, the reunion was an unhappy one for Stirm. Three days before he arrived in the United States, the same day he was released from captivity, Stirm received a Dear John letter from his wife Loretta informing him that their marriage was over. Stirm later learned that Loretta had been with other men throughout his captivity, receiving marriage proposals from three of them. In 1974, the Stirms divorced and Loretta remarried, but Lt Col Stirm was still ordered by the courts to provide her with 43% of his military retirement pay once he retired from the Air Force.[6] Stirm was later promoted to full Colonel and retired from the Air Force in 1977.

[Anonymous No.12896871]

>fight for Israel
>get cucked and financially ruined
Based karma

[Anonymous No.12896873]

>>12896848
On Women by Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.12896894]

> 15-year-old daughter Lorrie

she looks 35

[Anonymous No.12896911]

oh boy another incel crying thread! Surely this one will be different from the last!

[Anonymous No.12896918]

>>12896894
Yeah, she's white.

[Anonymous No.12896930]

>>12896848
Why do you need high literature to explain this ordinary shit?
He married a '50s bourgeoisie soulless whore.

[Anonymous No.12896936]

>>12896930
and, forgot to add, society rightly punished him for that.

[Anonymous No.12897231]

>>12896848
okay here you go:
All Women Are Whores

[Anonymous No.12897249]

>>12897231
he cute

[Anonymous No.12897262]

>>12896894
>> 15-year-old daughter Lorrie
o shit sorry lorrie

[Anonymous No.12897282]

>>12896848
Sounds like he was freed from two prisons in one day.

[Anonymous No.12897296]

>>12897231
based and redpilled.
dont ever put your trust on those semen demons.

[Anonymous No.12897299]

>>12896848
Fucker deserved it for fighting on the wrong side.

[Anonymous No.12897479]

>>12897299
*tips*

[Anonymous No.12897640]

>>12896848

[Anonymous No.12897655]

>>12897640
what a fucking bitch. that's a fucking life debt you whore.
poor guy.

[Anonymous No.12897675]

>>12897640
Disregarding the fact that it's written like a bad bait, I see nothing wrong here. Why should she flush her entire life down the toilet after being saved from harm once?

[Anonymous No.12897689]

>>12897675
>>12897640
why is honor and debt such a foreign concept to people in the modern west?

[Anonymous No.12897705]

>>12897675
she'd be fucking dead if not for him

[Anonymous No.12897717]

>>12896911
lmao roasty getting toasty

[Anonymous No.12897720]

>>12897640
Have women ever been loyal and true?

I feel like women have always been like this, starting with the Greeks and reading Herodotus taught me women were snakes even in the Mycenean Age, that's fucking ~3000-1000 B.C.

[Anonymous No.12897738]

>>12897689
>honor and debt
Aren't these two exclusive?
Is sacrificing yourself for others and then demanding lifelong reparations not dishonorable? You basically turned a selfless act of heroism into a business transaction.

[Anonymous No.12897758]

>>12897738
you don't demand them. the other person just repays the debt. it's unspoken and it's their responsibility. you don't force them to do anything, they should just do it.

[Anonymous No.12897790]

I hate women

[Anonymous No.12897810]

Whenever i read a story that involves a separation of a man and his wife it always ends with the girl giving her body to other men sooner or later The ones that dont have the cheating part are the ones that dont explain everything. Its all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.12897833]

>>12897758
>you don't force them to do anything, they should just do it.
So...you force them? You contradict yourself. Honorable acts are honorable because they're done without expectations, it's a price of honor. If the guy expected her to wipe his shits for the rest of his natural life, he should've speficied it before protecting her.

[Anonymous No.12897847]

>>12897640
the truly "honorable" thing to do would be for the man to commit sudoku so it wouldn't be on a burden on his wife
if you guys had a paraplegic wife, would you do the same for her for the rest of your life? keep in mind they literally have no motor function and you have to pay for the extra help/medicine/hospital bills. you also have to abide by the expectations of your own marriage, obviously

[Anonymous No.12897875]

>>12897640
>there are genuinely people on this board who believe this woman has done anything wrong

Do you really think the guy would want to see the woman he loved forced to give up her life? Why else do you think he saved her in the first place?

[Anonymous No.12897898]

>>12897847

Thing is if it was my current wife, answer would probably be yes I would, because conversation and common understanding/bond is something that is incredibly hard to build back up with someone. Especially after you dedicate 9 years of your life to being with them, not many people aside from my family know me that well, and can relate to me on that level. So Even if all I had was the ability to speak with her it would probably be worth it. Would def have to hire a full time nurse though, I ain't doing that shit.

[Anonymous No.12897920]

>>12897847
>if you guys had a paraplegic wife, would you do the same for her for the rest of your life? keep in mind they literally have no motor function and you have to pay for the extra help/medicine/hospital bills. you also have to abide by the expectations of your own marriage, obviously
I actually would. I know you prob think “oh everyone says that until they get into that situation.” I took care of my elderly grandmother mostly alone for 4 years as a teen, and the love for your wife would be much greater than that. Knowing that the person you love is trapped in their body like a prison, I wouldn’t have the callousness to leave them, I’d be thinking about them every day.

[Anonymous No.12897951]

>>12897920
But it is a significant psychological toll that’s taken upon the carer. Not everyone is able to deal with that. If I was this paraplegic guy, I certainly wouldn’t judge her if she left. I’d hate to think I was the one shackling her to the point where she’d grow to hate me. The real issue I think is that people who wind up in these situations should, ethically speaking, be euthanasised.

[Anonymous No.12897954]

>>12897875
Even in a cuck fantasy like this she should at least take care of him in some way. She simply wants to be relieved of the burden, denying the very weight of life.
It's about the most disgusting thing anyone could ever do; and the tranny discord is worse than reddit.
KYSs.

[Anonymous No.12897984]

>>12897951
Perhaps if they lost their mental faculty as well, but if you are paraplegic and still have a working mind, I disagree on the euthanization.

I agree that some people cannot handle it but some people are terrible human beings. If you can talk to the person still then you still have what should be the bedrock of your marriage, your non-sexual connection with the person.

[Anonymous No.12898002]

>>12897954
What can she actually do for the guy and what quality of life can he reasonably lead? We don’t even know if the guy wants to be taken care of in such a way.

On top of that, the stresses of caring for a person in the day to day is naturally going to breed resentment when done over a long period. Sometimes to prevent that happening, you need to let go. This isn’t a matter of “cucking”, it’s a matter of personal happiness, and if you can only think in sexual terms rather than consider overall happiness, it shows that you don’t understand how love works.

[Anonymous No.12898024]

>>12896848
The Odyssey

[Anonymous No.12898042]

>>12898002
>We don’t even know if the guy wants to be taken care of in such a way.
Exactly, but you assume that either way it must be to the woman's benefit.

[Anonymous No.12898052]

>>12898002
>muh happiness

[Anonymous No.12898059]

>>12897833
no you don't fucking force them. if they're good people they should just do it. it's basic decency.

[Anonymous No.12898065]

The question is one of the reasons 19th century Russian literature fascinates me so much. It's at a time when marriage and religion still meant something but you can see that nihilism creeping up underneath everything and eroding social convention.

[Anonymous No.12898078]

>>12898059
Yeah, why don't people just give up their own lives to take care of someone else who might not even be aware that someone is with him.

[Anonymous No.12898081]

>>12896848
>>12897640
I swear there is a story of some theologian or academic who got married, his wife got into a car accident and was paralyzed or had some debilitating disability literally months after they first married, and he stayed married to her for the rest of her life and was her primary carer. I think it might have been some theologian. Ring a bell for anyone? The dude was a real one, very inspiring story, wish I could find it again.

[Anonymous No.12898104]

>>12898078
because it's what you fucking do. that's a life debt. if you're not going to repay it without any complaining or needing encouragement, you should unironically just kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.12898159]

>>12898104
Repaying the debt would be her going to lead her own life. His life in exchange for hers was the sacrifice. Now, if she were to be bound caring for him forever that it would mean that neither could lead a decent quality of life, which renders his sacrifice moot. What does that kind of existence actually accomplish for either side?

Can you give a single argument for why both sides should give up their lives so the woman can act as a carer for literally no reason? Because I fail to see a single argument why putting the guy down out of mercy isn’t the more humane and morally sound option.

[Anonymous No.12898167]

>>12896911
>oh boy another complaint about our vile behaviour surely the fault lies with everybody but us
toasty roasty please stop posty

[Anonymous No.12898177]

>>12897717
>>12898167
>exact same replies every time
you are NPCs

[Anonymous No.12898178]

>>12896848
maybe that was part of his reward for killing the vietnamese

[Anonymous No.12898179]

>>12898159
it is right and good to help someone in their time of need, ESPECIALLY when they did so for you in your desperate time of need

acting as someone's carer (especially your spouse who you vowed to love through sickness and health) is not giving up your life. There is more to life than fucking and getting fucked.

[Anonymous No.12898187]

>>12898177
the "women are wonderful" phenomenon is more of an npc thing

[Anonymous No.12898191]

>>12896911
Yes, married veterans with multiple children are involuntarily celibate. Especially when they're being held prisoner by an enemy. You sure are smart. Are you Georgetown PoliSci by any chance?

[Anonymous No.12898202]

>>12898081
>a man

[Anonymous No.12898207]

>>12897720
Women were snakes before man walked on two legs bro

[Anonymous No.12898209]

>>12898159
she should kill herself and save the next poor guy from the pain.

[Anonymous No.12898211]

>Invade country and murder innocents
>wife leaves you
Karma is a bitch yeah?

[Anonymous No.12898217]

>>12898081
It's similar to the book in the Bible, where the prophet's wife was one of the qadishtu or temple prostitutes, kept backsliding, and he repeatedly took her back and forgave her.

[Anonymous No.12898219]

>>12898191
You're right, this thread is full of married prisoners of war with multiple children recommending literature to each other.
Are you really so stupid you thought I was calling the man with children an incel?

[Anonymous No.12898229]

>>12898211
>innocents

[Anonymous No.12898232]

>>12898219
>a genuine incel post
Yikes! have sex lol

[Anonymous No.12898243]

>>12898179
>fucking and getting fucked
I never said anything about sex. The fact that you mention this suggests that you’re the one thinking about the situation in those terms.

Being someone’s carer makes sense when that person can lead some quality of life since there is joy both parties can partake in there. What can joy is there when the caring simply ensures that the body doesn’t die and nothing more. If the guy is stuck in a prison in his body, then all this situation does is lock the woman in that same hell. She could easily grow to hate the guy over time, since he’s barely the same person she loved anymore. It’s utterly self-defeating and serves no purpose.

Meanwhile, that woman could go out and find her own happiness in her own way if she so chooses. It may be difficult for her to move on emotionally, but IMO that option is better than forcibly binding someone to a commitment through social stigma out of some misguided notion of “honour” that completely misunderstands why the man’s sacrifice was made to begin with.

[Anonymous No.12898256]

>>12898243
have sex incel, shoo! shoo!

[Anonymous No.12898263]

>>12898232
top quality post

[Anonymous No.12898282]

>>12897282
Underrated post.

[Anonymous No.12898293]

>>12898243
Tbqh caring for your spouse and remaining loving and devoted through sickness will make you a better person character and soul-wise than going out and seeking your own selfish happiness

>What can joy is there when the caring simply ensures that the body doesn’t die and nothing more.
there is more to care than the physical care you provide the person with. If it is a spouse or family member there is also your presence, investment, and love which can still be felt, even if the person is a paraplegic.

[Anonymous No.12898312]

>>12897640
>in sickness and in health

[Anonymous No.12898486]

>>12898081
>>12898202
>>12898217
>B.B. Warfield
Found it. His wife was struck by lightning on their honeymoon and became an invalid, supposedly he never left her side for longer than two hours at once, and he stayed with her as her carer from 1876-1915 when she died.

[Anonymous No.12898563]

>>12898486
>Benjamin B. Warfield was a world-renowned theologian who taught at Princeton Seminary for almost 34 years until his death on February 16, 1921. Many people are aware of his famous books, like The Inspiration and Authority of the Bible. But what most people don’t know is that in 1876, at the age of twenty-five, he married Annie Pierce Kinkead and took a honeymoon to Germany. During a fierce storm Annie was struck by lightning and permanently paralyzed. After caring for her for thirty-nine years Warfield laid her to rest in 1915. Because of her extraordinary needs, Warfield seldom left his home for more than two hours at a time during all those years of marriage.1

[Anonymous No.12898652]

>>12897282

[Anonymous No.12898717]

divorce should be illegal
birth control should be illegal
abortion should be illegal
reap what you sow fuckers

[Anonymous No.12898722]

>>12898104
Your world view sounds like something from a shonen manga.

[Anonymous No.12898727]

>>12898722
a what?

[Anonymous No.12898729]

>>12898717
>birth control should be illegal
>abortion should be illegal
*except for black people

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12898744]

>>12896848
>disingenuous frog posters
Saying “literature” in your post doesn’t make this /lit/

[Anonymous No.12898748]

You guys are so cringe

[Anonymous No.12898766]

>>12898744
you're so smart

[Anonymous No.12898770]

>>12898729
Now you're getting it.

[Anonymous No.12898774]

>>12896848
At least he has his kids, look at the mother. Gotta wonder why the absolute cunt bothered coming.

[Anonymous No.12898938]

>>12897282
Based highhat.

[Anonymous No.12898966]

>>12896848
And she had the audacity to turn up?

[Anonymous No.12898975]

>>12898966
>>12898774
To be in the photo of course

[Anonymous No.12899008]

>>12897720
we are just rediscovering why women were treated like second class beings = because they deserved it.
They're incapable of loyalty, mother nature deemed such lofty things unnecesary for them.

[Anonymous No.12899011]

>>12898766
you're so dumb

[Anonymous No.12899034]

>>12897689
>women
>people
there’s your explanation

[Anonymous No.12899046]

>>12898243
>It may be difficult for her to move on emotionally
lol she was probably fucking a new guy within the week

[Anonymous No.12899136]

>>12897640
Obvious bait

[Anonymous No.12899225]

>>12897720
My nigga it goes all the way back to Adam and Eve

[Anonymous No.12899253]

have sex

[Anonymous No.12899271]

>>12899136
it's food for thought

[Anonymous No.12899317]

You guys know that men cheat too right?

[Anonymous No.12899325]

>>12899317
yeah. and they're rightly demonized as well.

[Anonymous No.12899335]

>>12898722
lmfao, this