/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12868795]

is the current era we are living in defined by loneliness? everywhere i look people are always rrying to find a connection and human relationships seem more precarious and fleeting than ever. are there any books where i can read more about this?

[Anonymous No.12868804]

>>12868795

[Anonymous No.12868818]

>>12868795
No. Stop trying to project your irreparable social anxiety on modernity. There's no evidence that human relationships were more fulfilling and longlasting in the past. It's not society's fault you're lonely.

[Anonymous No.12868883]

>>12868795
Yes, we are. Capital has obliterated all community and commodified all social connections.

"the pandemic of mental anguish that afflicts our time cannot be properly understood, or healed, if viewed as a private problem suffered by damaged individuals."

>>12868818
There absolutely is evidence that within stronger communities people are less afflicted by social anxiety and related conditions.

[Anonymous No.12868892]

>>12868818
>suicide rates go up+life expectancy drops
>28% of men and 18% of women between 18-30 are virgins
yup no evidence
you are a moron if you think human relationships have not changed when there was a shift from the community to the individual

[Anonymous No.12868914]

>>12868818
>suicide rates go up+life expectancy drops
>23 percent of adults spent the year in a celibate stateup no evidence
you are a moron if you think human relationships have not changed when there was a shift from the community to the individual people feel more alienated than ever

[Anonymous No.12868919]

>>12868795
humans are not pack animal

[Anonymous No.12868921]

>>12868818
>suicide rates go up+life expectancy drops
>23 percent of adults spent the year in a celibate state
yup no evidence
you are a moron if you think human relationships have not changed when there was a shift from the community to the individual people feel more alienated than ever

[Anonymous No.12868938]

>>12868818
shut the fuck up Pinker,
fucking dumbass nerd

[Anonymous No.12868964]

>>12868921
>life expectancy drops
Maybe in the United States of Obesity and Meth lmao.

[Anonymous No.12868968]

>>12868818
>Mental disorders skyrocket in less than 50 years and a majority of all 1st world countries have populations who need medication every day to function "normally"
>Things aren't getting worse, we are getting better at diagnosing them :)

[Anonymous No.12868977]

>>12868964
because of an increase in suicide and drug overdose

[Anonymous No.12868994]

>>12868968
Incredulously asserting someone's position is not a refutation of their position. Yes, we are getting "better" (although psychology is a meme) at diagnosing mental illnesses and doctors are more liberal about handing out antidepressants.

[Anonymous No.12869019]

>>12868795
I'm so lonely anons. I'm a broken shell of a man.

[Anonymous No.12869044]

>>12869019
be my bf

[Anonymous No.12869065]

>>12868994
>we are getting "better" (although psychology is a meme) at diagnosing mental illnesses
We are getting better at making mental illnesses.
The system does not and cannot exist to satisfy
human needs. Instead, it is human behavior that has to
be modified to fit the needs of the system. This has nothing to do with the political or social ideology that may
pretend to guide the technological system. It is not the
fault of capitalism and it is not the fault of socialism. It
is the fault of technology, because the system is guided
not by ideology but by technical necessity. [18] Of course
the system does satisfy many human needs, but generally
speaking it does this only to the extend that it is to the
advantage of the system to do it. It is the needs of the system that are paramount, not those of the human being.
For example, the system provides people with food because the system couldn’t function if everyone starved; it
attends to people’s psychological needs whenever it can
CONVENIENTLY do so, because it couldn’t function if too
many people became depressed or rebellious. But the system, for good, solid, practical reasons, must exert constant
pressure on people to mold their behavior to the needs
of the system. To much waste accumulating? The government, the media, the educational system, environmentalists, everyone inundates us with a mass of propaganda
about recycling.

[Anonymous No.12869068]

If things are so bad explain how we have iPhones and raising GDP. Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.12869077]

>>12869068
thanks

[Anonymous No.12869079]

>>12869068
fuck, OP btfo

[Anonymous No.12869182]

>>12869065
How do I talk to normies about this without sounding like the unabomber and scaring them away?

[Anonymous No.12869208]

>>12869182
very slowly, over time. Patience is key.

[Anonymous No.12869209]

>>12868968
>Things aren't getting worse, we are getting better at diagnosing them
or maybe we're redefining what "mental illness" means. You're underestimating the recency of the development of psychology, sociology and physiology as sciences.

[Anonymous No.12869219]

>>12869209
Maybe there was never such a need for them?

[Anonymous No.12869238]

>>12868977
Sure, those human mountains who capsize on their mobility scooters in the Walmart are perfectly healthy.

[Anonymous No.12869241]

[Anonymous No.12869244]

>>12869182
Getting real tired of this sad cat meme.

[Anonymous No.12869247]

How come you don't really hear about people in the past with mental illness? It seems to me that mental illness is a side effect of modernity. Are there any writings on this?

[Anonymous No.12869256]

>>12869247
Natural selection worked better before.

[Anonymous No.12869261]

>>12869247
>How come you don't really hear about people in the past with mental illness?
Read more. Most writers were neurotics, melancholics or half crazy.

[Anonymous No.12869285]

>>12869244
Getting real tired of your shitty posts you faggot

[Anonymous No.12869289]

>>12869019
I'm so sorry anon. I also feel exactly the same, your picture resonates really strongly with what I am inside. That sad cat, holding his plushie for comfort. That's what I want but with my mommygf. I'm so sorry for what you're going through, I hope you'll be okay.

[Anonymous No.12869296]

>>12869247
There was mental anguish though. Like when this shit happens you know shit has hit the fan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518

If you mean like depression though that is probably a lot more common. People didn't have time for it back then

[Anonymous No.12869302]

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12869303]

>>12868883
This.
There are large socioeconomic forces that made this category of “modern man” so common.
Pic related is just the science of it. Use to help help understand and alter it, OP

[Anonymous No.12869344]

>>12869296
>People didn't have time for it back then
How did they not have time for it? They worked less and had more free time than the modern working man. I think depression is a side effect of the modern age, it's not that they just didn't have time for it.

[Anonymous No.12869369]

>>12869344
Reminds me of that rat park experiment, where they had rats hooked on cocaine released in to a park with lots of toys and other rats and they never touched the drugs after that.

[Anonymous No.12869411]

>>12868919
Neither they are solitary ones.
The act more like elephants, wolves and chimps. We are parcially social beings that can live alone but prefer to stay in groups.

[Anonymous No.12869422]

>>12869411
What do you think society would be like if humans were solitary animals like tigers, for instance

[Anonymous No.12869454]

>>12869422
Society wouldnt exist since humans were no longer social creatures then. It would be a jungle with humans running around and raping and killing eachother.
I also find the categorization of animals a bit vague in some cases.

[Anonymous No.12869474]

>>12869247
People with mental illness were either hidden by their families because it was shameful, ostracized by their family/community, or put into an asylum because they were 'crazy'.
We also have a better understanding of mental illness than in the past, hence us calling it mental illness where people in the past have called it a number of different things: hysterical, lunatic, insane, crazy, possessed, etc.

[Anonymous No.12869512]

What would happen to say, a peasant in medieval times, if he was depressed and decided he just wasn't going to work anymore

[Anonymous No.12869530]

go outside, talk to people, Fail and fail and fail at it and never quit.

The problem with this board and the others is that everyone just quits. Good things are fucking hard, that's the point.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12869536]

>>12869512
They’d make him work, send him off to a monk or something. He’d end up in the woods an d live a a thief and beggar
Or he’s a noblemans son and he gets to live like a dolt

[Anonymous No.12869564]

>>12869530
that's not what this thread is about

[Anonymous No.12869573]

>>12869209
>psychology and sociology
>"Sciences"
Nice try lumping in physiology to qualify the other two, but you are way out of your depth here.

[Anonymous No.12869855]

>>12868795
>everywhere i look people are always rrying to find a connection and human relationships seem more precarious and fleeting than ever.
No. But one of its defining traits is alienation. If that type of distinction makes any sense. Also all things in life are precarious and fleeting including bonds with other people. Thinking they are anything else is just setting yourself to be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.12869921]

>>12869855
>including bonds with other people
but... muh soulmate?

[Anonymous No.12870022]

>>12869512
Probably made to work but I would expect actually to not be so depressed due to the cohesion of religious, communal, and filial bonds which are now lost

[Anonymous No.12870246]

>>12868818
>There's no evidence that human relationships were more fulfilling and longlasting in the past.
Yeah I bet no one had fulfilling and longlasting relationships when human societies were limited to 150 people living on the same piece of land for hundreds of years, depending on their community members for survival.

[Anonymous No.12870290]

>>12869019
i feel the same way. i'm 21 and i've wanted to kill myself for 10 years. i blame chemical imbalance, not just edginess. my dads bipolar and my moms clinically depressed. i isolate myself by choice. every time i miss human contact i'll try to surround myself with people and realize that i don't give a shit about gossip and twitter and that i'm better off by myself calling someone on 4chan a retard when i disagree with them and based when i do, and that's all the social interaction i really need. girlfriends are overrated. "friends" are overrated. i have one close friend who very rarely annoys me but i only see him once or twice a month so that probably has something to do with it

[Anonymous No.12870301]

>>12869182
nigga, you DONT

[Anonymous No.12870317]

>>12869182
you don't talk to normies about this stuff, you talk to normies on a very basic level where social conventions and immediate emotional reactions dictate the interaction

[Anonymous No.12870435]

>>12869247
it existed but it was socially unacceptable. now it's trendy and quirky

[Anonymous No.12870526]

>>12868964
>United States of Obesity and Meth
Gonna use that from now on

[Anonymous No.12870562]

>>12869921
If you want a soulmate get a waifu. That's close as one can get a soulmate.

[Anonymous No.12870572]

Thought: As an early-20-something who lives on the internet, I've noticed a trend of loneliness that possibly stems from sexual standards warped by the internet: whether you jerk off to hentai, or you love traps, or you're a furfag, or you're a normie who uses PornHub, your sexual appetite has been distorted by what you know you will probably never have. As such, out in the real world, we crumble. I've never had a sexual encounter be worth it. We're always gonna want Astolfo, or Felix, or whoever the internet has us thirsting after.
And if anyone reading this is a furry, you're not as attractive as your fursona. Not even close. You're 10x uglier than they are. The only reason you have one is as a vessel for sexual wish fulfillment.

[Anonymous No.12870642]

>>12870572
>2019
>having real life physical sex
Pornography has made this point moot. 3D pig disgusting is just not worth the effort. If anything, the less I think and interact with women other than my mom, the happier I become.

[Anonymous No.12870835]

>>12870642
If everyone acted like this there would literally be no more human race.
Say whatever you want, but your ideology is literally going to evolve itself out of the gene pool.

[Anonymous No.12870858]

THE AMERICAN ACADEMY of Emergency Medicine confirms it: Each year, between one and two dozen adult US males are admitted to ERs after having castrated themselves. With kitchen tools, usually, sometimes wire cutters. In answer to the obvious question, surviving patients most often report that their sexual urges had become a source of intolerable conflict and anxiety. The desire for perfect release and the real-world impossibility of perfect, whenever-you-want-it release had together produced a tension they could no longer stand.

[Anonymous No.12870941]

>>12868964
What drives people to overeat and abuse drugs though retard

[Anonymous No.12870951]

>>12870835
You're free to take my advice or leave it. But the point is that a lot of people feel miserable and that women are a pretty big factor in it.

[Anonymous No.12871030]

>>12869247
A lot of them weren't classified yet. We didn't have the labels.

[Anonymous No.12871061]

>>12868795

My pet theory is that western mysticism evolved from the intense feeling of wanting other people to bring meaning into their lives, and when the mystics realized that couldn't possibly happen they turned inward to find god, aka a unifying force that brings fulfillment. What we're seeing these days is a widespread realization of that sort, I think, and before much longer we'll see a return to mystic worldviews (whether that's filtered through science, it doesn't matter, it'll be the same idea).

I don't know if there are books on this shit besides Catholics like Teresa of Avila and the Sufis.

[Anonymous No.12871112]

>>12869019
Get a (non sexual) massage. Human contact can help a lot.

>>12868795
Until 1920 the majority of Americans lived in homes. (later for most other countries) Imagine living with a dozen or more people you've known for decades and will know for decades more. When could you feel alone? Maybe in the field, when you're the last to quit for supper, you stop to watch the sunset, and you breathe in, just for a moment, solitude.

[Anonymous No.12871159]

>>12869303
fuck off nigger when will you realize you're the most hated person on this board and never post again? will you please give me an exact date and time? id like to call in sick to work so that i can spend an entire day celebrating and rejoicing in the fact that you're gone forever; preferably via brutal murder/rape

[Anonymous No.12871275]

>>12871159
i like butterfly, newfag.

[Anonymous No.12871288]

>>12871275
Namefags get the rope.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12871360]

>>12871159
>>12871288

[Anonymous No.12871387]

>>12871159
I keep seeing this person pop up.
Story/context?

[Anonymous No.12871401]

>>12868795
People are cucks, everything seems to be done vicariously, watching other people fuck, watching other people play video games, watching other people hang out with their friends, watching other people react to movie trailers etc.
It is deeply disturbing to me, especially fandom "shippers" who become fanatically emotionally invested in two fictional characters non-existent relationship, its literally sick, i could at least understand if they were imagining themselves in a relationship but they aren't.

[Anonymous No.12871408]

>>12871360
;_;

Butterfly did you have sex with another woman last weekend or not

[Anonymous No.12871411]

>>12869182
Just say that technology should exist for us, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.12871418]

>>12871401
>watching other people react to movie trailers
This one is particularly fucking weird. These damn kids

[Anonymous No.12871460]

>>12869019
me too anon, me too. we'll turn out okay eventually

[Anonymous No.12871519]

I remember when Osama Bin Laden died, i saw people out celebrating in the streets and it seemed awful to me. I thought "I know he's a bad guy but that's a human being, Its kind of fucked up to celebrate someone's death, isn't it kind of fucked up to celebrate a necessary evil?"

People are vile pieces of shit, they'll feed you unending platitudes about their sense of empathy, how they hate bullying, how they don't stand for "hate" and yet as soon as a socially acceptable target comes along the mask slips and their sociopathic lack of empathy is revealed.
I don't know if its pressure from hiding their negative feelings or what, people can be pretty nasty here but its nothing compared to some of the people you see on twitter.

[Anonymous No.12871535]

i live in south america but the whole loneliness era is fucking bullshit, i´m the only non-normie in college and i get a lot flak because of it by normies so fuck off op, FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.12871599]

>>12871535
South americans can't be robots. You're always salsa-ing and romancing chicas and playing guitars.

[Anonymous No.12871613]

>>12871599
>You're always salsa-ing and romancing chicas and playing guitars.

only mestizos do that shit

[Anonymous No.12871626]

>>12868795
No it's literally just you OP, go outside and make friends for once. People aren't going to judge you too harshly unless you're a giant asshole.

[Anonymous No.12871642]

>>12868818
Think about how many recreational activities could be done alone in the past.

[Anonymous No.12871713]

>>12868883
Source for that?
Oh yeah.
Just another pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.12871813]

>>12868818
Dont wanna make it a pol thing but
>one in six american white people in are on antidepressants according to the FDA (this is not counting for the unmedicated and undiagnosed)
>almost a quarter of all american adults live celibate according to the general social survey. (This has steadily been going up since the 80s)
>suicide rates in america haven't been this high in 30 years according to the CDC and the rates have only been going up since 2000
How does it feel to be one of the last sane men in an insane world anon?

[Anonymous No.12871824]

>>12871387
Just your average attention seeking tripfag making mostly bad posts, best to ignore and filter

[Anonymous No.12872269]

>>12871613
Mestizo master race, why do anything else

[Anonymous No.12872292]

>>12871813
I wouldn't know

[Anonymous No.12872424]

What the fuck, /lit/, I thought you all are (self-)diagnosed as (personality disorder) schizos?
You are supposed to do everything you can to avoid contact with others and revel in solitude.
I feel sorry for you healthy personality morons who feel oofy when you don’t have the ‘essential’ attention and literal human contact.

[Anonymous No.12872484]

>>12871061
This is why I think every newspaper has horoscopes. While you can argue whether astrological readings have any bearing on reality (which they don't influence themselves by making these predictions), you can't argue that the physical nature ("Mercury is moving through Sagittarius...") is absolutely scientific correct.

You can dismiss talking snakes, but not so much the movement of the heavenly bodies.

[Anonymous No.12872512]

>>12872424
I can't revel in solitude. I've wanted to kms for about a decade but just recently realized that the past two years weren't me getting better, it was just me losing grip of emotions regarding my life. I want to be better, but I'm only good at burning bridges and stomping feelings.

[Anonymous No.12872520]

Just pretend to be a cool person
I legit pretended to be George Clooney for 3 months, I adopted his voice, charm, even his way of moving, and it got me more friends & girls than I ever had in my life until that

Who cares if it's fake, nobody wants reality anyway

[Anonymous No.12872650]

>>12872484
Horoscopes are for boomers. They're they only people who read newspapers and it suits their magical thinking.

[Anonymous No.12872711]

>>12870951
There should be an organization dedicated to intellectual sperm banks, wherein well established intellectuals are free to donate sperm and help guide natural selection to the right path.
Soon, we won't need factory workers. Buff men will be useless outside of sportsmanship. Therefore, intellectuals who won't have wives should at the very least, contribute their sperm, with the chance of passing on a gifted mind.

[Anonymous No.12872718]

>>12872711
What kind of world are we living in where this isn't some Modest Proposal brand of satire? Ted was right all along.

[Anonymous No.12872907]

>>12869019
Me too. I don't know if I'm going to make it bros.

[Anonymous No.12873669]

>>12868818
Underage B&

[Anonymous No.12873676]

>>12871460
Kek

[Anonymous No.12873726]

>>12868818
>saying this unironically

[Anonymous No.12873971]

>>12869244
Animal reaction images > anime chink shit

[Anonymous No.12874034]

>>12868795
>is the current era we are living in defined by loneliness?
No, because the people who are lonely aren't defining anything, due to living isolated and away from all the people who are actually getting shit done in the world today.

[Anonymous No.12874295]

>>12870951
bro you're gonna die alone with no children lol.

[Anonymous No.12874435]

>>12871112
Damnit, lived in multi-generational homes. People before 1920 lived in multi-generational homes. Sigh.

[Anonymous No.12874447]

Why don't all these sad fucks just kill themselves and get it over with?

[Anonymous No.12874465]

>live under an atomized socio-economical system where people are dehumanized, the inherent value of life is disregarded, all aspects of the human condition are commodified and individuals' worth is reduced to their ability to function as well-oiled cogs in a dog-eat-dog hyper-competitive "meritocracy"
>why are people so lonely?

[Anonymous No.12874549]

I read a study where a guy was a missionary to some tribe in Africa. He told them the story of how his mother killed herself after her husband died and religion helped him through the grief. They laughed hysterically because the idea of suicide was absurd and foreign to them, saying "we kill animals, not ourselves".

Can you imagine a reality where suicide makes absolutely no sense and would never cross your mind? It seems too normal and pervasive to be an aberration created by civilization but there it is.

The study found that suicidality was linked with agricultural advances. Not sure about loneliness.

[Anonymous No.12875498]

>>12868818
This must be half of a bait