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[Anonymous No.12805389]

Is Eastern Philosophy any good?

[Anonymous No.12805399]

>>12805389
Yes. But the eternal truth is only found in the greeks and in german idealism.

[Anonymous No.12805402]

>>12805389
yes. here's a Buddhist chart you might like

[Anonymous No.12805411]

>>12805399
>german idealism
millenia-late, washed-up Hinduism desupai

[Anti-/lit/ !N4bnZoKwfU No.12805413]

Its different, not deficient, to borrow someone else's phrase about something else.

Bimal Krishna Matilal wrote excellent books on east-west comparative philosophy, and was an expert in both. If youre curious. Although based on your post you wouldnt understand him at all.

In any case many of the classic questions of western philosophy appear in eastern philosophy (how do we know what is true? What is causation? Why do we exist?). Like western phil, eastern phil is divided into many different schools and contains a long history of written texts, argumentative discourse and prominent thinkers.

[Anonymous No.12805423]

>>12805411
Go on, explain how that is the case and watch me prove you wrong with textual fucking evidence.

[Anti-/lit/ !N4bnZoKwfU No.12805431]

>>12805389
That pic is actually pretty funny now that I bothered to open it

[Anonymous No.12805432]

>>12805399
neither of those two said anything remotely profound about consciousness, which is what the most reknowned Eastern doctrines focus on primarily

[Anonymous No.12805442]

>>12805423
I'm just sh*tposting, mate. I've never read into either Hindu philosophy or German Idealism.

[Anonymous No.12805444]

>>12805389
matter of opinion. make your own investigations and decide for yourself. don't count on getting good pointers from people around here. lots of dumb assholes round these parts spouting off simplistic opinions

[Anonymous No.12805459]

>>12805432
Phenomenology has made more insights into consciousness than any eastern scribble

[Anonymous No.12805463]

>>12805459
Such as?

[Anti-/lit/ !N4bnZoKwfU No.12805467]

>>12805444
Considering how prominent ideas like karma are in the Indian worldview, it is easy for me to imagine someone in the west becoming quickly dismissive of Indian philosophy as a whole.

Then again anyone who does 4 or 5 hundred pages of reading should begin to realize that Indian phil is massive and complex beyond description and will at least have a real respect for it.

Theres a good book called "An Introduction to Indian Philosophy" by B. Gupta written with western students in mind, and which makes frequent short comparative references to western phil.

Its a very good starting text on the topic.

[Anonymous No.12805470]

>>12805432
>Plato's Phaedo and Aristotle's De Anima is not profound
>Kant's analysis of the faculties of man is not profound
>Hegel's concept of geist and his phenomenology of said concept is not profound

[Anonymous No.12805475]

>>12805459
Do share the loftiest insights of that school. Not sure it would compare to something like Advaita, and that too having been written millenia before the West even mentioned the word. Indian philosophy alone predated the modern scientific conversations on the significance and nature of consciousness, I don't believe even a single major Western thinker can be shown to have said anything similarly worthwhile on the subject. Haven't read all of them though, so I can't be certain about that

[Anonymous No.12805504]

>>12805470
>Phaedo and de Anima
Spoke of "the soul" as an abstract, but not of consciousness. Not the same.

>Kant's...
Haven't read him.

>Hegel
His Geist from the outside sounds somewhat similar to Vedanta, but that's still a stretch. Anyway what were his insights on consciousness?

[Anonymous No.12805511]

>>12805459
>eastern scribble
You sound...unbiased.

[Anonymous No.12805530]

>>12805475
>Haven't read all of them though, so I can't be certain about that
you probably haven't read any of them lmao

[Anonymous No.12805543]

>>12805475
>advaita
of course you'd pick the most pseud school of thought in hinduism, a school shilled by hindu revisionists to confirm their religiously held beliefs.

Threads over folks, thought it'd be an interesting discussion but its just another 'geunonfag mentally masturbates about vedanta' episode.

Any discussion from now will just result in uninspiring walls of text and 'le based indians were geniuses you stupid western pig'. You have been warned.

[Anonymous No.12805545]

>>12805530
Maybe support your own claims first, before claiming to know what a stranger's background consists of.

[Anonymous No.12805551]

>>12805504
>Spoke of "the soul" as an abstract, but not of consciousness. Not the same.

They are the same. What is the sensitive and intellective soul?

>His Geist from the outside sounds somewhat similar to Vedanta, but that's still a stretch. Anyway what were his insights on consciousness?

What took centuries for your mystical tradition to develop it only took Fitche and Hegel a few years of their lifetime to develop and reach similar conclusions at the level of actual philosophical concept.

Fitche literally believed the world is just one big Cartesian I think...

[Anonymous No.12805567]

>>12805467
>An Introduction to Indian Philosophy

thanks anon. will check it out. you are a gentleman and a scholar ;)

[Anonymous No.12805578]

>>12805545
It's self evident sweetie, I've read both western text and so called eastern text and I've come to the conclusion that the east has never advanced from their psuedo-religious doctrines of self and consciousness into actual philosophically viable notions of it in any rationalist way. Basically their ideas are stuck in the iron ages, while Europe has advanced the study of mind into a more sophisticated framework. It's quite hilarious that you will probably concede that the west has leapfrogged the east in terms of material progress but anything relating to the realm of ideas you put all your bets on ancient cow worshipers, as if the spiritual and the material don't go hand in hand and that you somehow need to renounce your material desires to attain some hidden spooky knowledge. What folly.

[Anonymous No.12805614]

>>12805402
I would include some taoist philosophy to better understand where the Buddha was coming from.

[Anonymous No.12806424]

[Anonymous No.12806550]

>>12805543
nice post full of ad hominems that said nothing about the actual doctrine you were attacking

[Anonymous No.12806559]

>>12805614
There is virtually no evidence that Buddha was influenced by Daoism other than apocryphal Daoist myths.

[Anonymous No.12807191]

Hinduism and Buddhism found how to tap into the cosmic consciousness that we can now understand through quantum mechanics by using kundalini yoga and zen meditation. However they took the wrong path in saying that the self is the highest level of reality, when it is really a personal God whose nature is separate and above the world.

[Anonymous No.12807273]

>>12805504
>Anyway what were his insights on consciousness?

Oof, m8. That’s a big question with a long answer. The man wrote a whole 750 paged book on the subject. The simplest point of it all I suppose is that according to Hegel, mind is ultimate reality, however he doesn’t refer to individual and particular minds, but that the Absolute is constituted of all things and all minds, although it is something beyond all these things. Reason, as he puts it, is universal, and it’s the way in which the Absolute knows itself. The uniqueness about the approach of the Phenomenology of Spirit that makes it distinct from Eastern philosophies that make similar conclusions is the Hegel approaches this by trying to prove that the Mind historically evolves and developes dialectically by logical necessity to different stages, closer to the Absolute. He tries to shows how different levels of consciousness prove to be inadequate to explain reality and this necessitates the developement of newer consciousness in order to reach the destiny of unified being with the Absolute.

[Anonymous No.12807475]

No. If you make a ton of vague statements eventually some of them are going to sound deep. They never went and practised or expanded on their philosophy like the West did

[Anonymous No.12807696]

>>12805467
>An Introduction to Indian Philosophy" by B. Gupta
thanks breh

[Anonymous No.12808225]

>>12807191
I think you're confused about Buddhism, in which there is no self or highest godly-self or atman

[Anonymous No.12808324]

>>12805389
Sure, it's good.

There, I finished your stupid thread. Now please go back to >>>reddit where you belong.

[Anonymous No.12808351]

>>12807191
But some Hindus believe exactly that, especially Vaishnavas.

[Anonymous No.12808378]

>>12805389
>rig beta
>upanichads
kek

[Anonymous No.12808387]

>>12805504
"Haven't read him" is not an argument

[Anonymous No.12808545]

Thread is filled with fools

You wanna a short cut to eastern thought?
Take large amounts of psychedelics, and confront the void within.

>now for the memers to discount psychedelics

[Anonymous No.12808562]

>>12805389
No. Shouldn't even be called philosophy.
>>12805411
Wrong.
>>12805432
Navel-gazer.

[Anonymous No.12808676]

>>12805442
You are the cancer of this board. Burn yourself alive.

[Anonymous No.12808696]

>>12807475
their entire culture is shaped by their philosophy

[Anonymous No.12808836]

>>12808696
so this is the power of the East...

[Anonymous No.12808845]

>>12805389
Why does /lit/ hate Indians so much? :'(

[Anonymous No.12808850]

>>12808696
Nah, theyve seen been heavily influenced by western culture

[Anonymous No.12809090]

>>12805413
Kill Yourself.

[Anonymous No.12809322]

>>12808225
But there is a self there is a unifying experiencing thing
>>12808351
Yes but what I'm talking about is a personal force.

[Anonymous No.12809587]

>>12808845
They're soft targets