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Hello, I´m trying to get into right wing accelerationism, How do I start reading? Is there some kind of manifesto like the #accelerate one for the left wing version?

>> No.12597658

>>12597636
>How do I start reading? Is there some kind of manifesto

Read Land's article on Acceleration here:

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

He recaps his understanding of everything.

>> No.12597661

>>12597636
What people call 'right wing accelerationism' seems to me highly apolitical. Like reading Land go on about autonomous capital strikes me as completely removing human decision making from the equation. Accelerating techno-capital has nothing to do with hierarchy or tradition, or anything else 'right wing'.

As I understand it Land sees Progressivism as a kind of obstacle for capitalism to overcome, but he sees all of humanity that way, so it's hardly right wing, it's just misanthropic.

>> No.12597669

>>12597636
Nick Land's Twitter.
The HBD biblography: www dot humanbiologicaldiversity dot com
Steve Sailer's blog (not explicitly accelerationist, but will help you grok the modern american right wing mind)
Moldbug www dot unqualified-reservations dot org

that's a good start

>> No.12597671

Kneel before the Basilik, mortal.

>> No.12597683

>>12597636
Idk much about accelerationism but is it primarily a political theory? I've heard some people use it to explain socio-psychological phenomena

honestly idk shit. Anyone have a unbiased description of what accelerationism is? What is the base underlying principle?

>> No.12597697

>Left acceleration - "We must seize control of acceleration and direct it towards our chosen ends"

>Right acceleration - "We must align ourselves with the unstoppable forces"

>Unconditional acceleration - "Nothing we do matters. We must remain silent witnesses"

>> No.12597701

Go back 10 years ago, this meme is dead.

>> No.12597707

>>12597683

Think 'future shock', but on a non-linear curve.

>> No.12597717
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>>12597636
Unironically Siege

>> No.12597921

>>12597697
On which texts does this base on?

>>12597661
Yeah i got that feeling too

>>12597669
How is Moldbug accelerationist?

>> No.12597930

>>12597921
>How is Moldbug accelerationist?
not that guy, but Patchwork was Land's own Happy Place when it came time to imagine what his own ideas taken seriously would look like as applied to political philosophy - 20m tiny little corporate micro-states
>presumably all on the blockchain in one way or another

MM wasn't really /acc himself but goes with Land's ideas the way Hegel goes with Lacan
>and i will now rope myself for making this analogy

>> No.12597952

>>12597921
>On which texts does this base on?

It's kind of spread out over blog posts, Twitter posts, interviews, Youtube videos (some of which are unlisted), etc. Not so much books.

Left acceleration barely existed, and no one even takes it seriously anymore. Representatives of Unconditional acceleration have been fairly silent in over the past two years. Vast Abrupt (vastabrupt.com) aligns itself with U/Acc and has a number of wonderful articles, but it isn't the most active site. Land represents the Right, but he doesn't really write directly about acceleration most of the time. It's more of a background thing that informs his thought.

To the extent that mainstream thinker engage with accelerationist ideas, these distinctions don't even come up. This, in a way, is a throwback to when these concepts first got introduced. At that time the word acceleration wasn't even used, let alone all these other subdivisions. Factions only sprouted up later when people sought to disassociate themselves from Land.

>> No.12597955

>>12597717
Manson is Deleuzo Guattarian AF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRH9Nf0-Bzw

>> No.12597960

>>12597683
It's a theory of aesthetics masquerading as a political theory

>> No.12597965

>>12597921
>On which texts does this base on?
Mostly tweets with anime avatars and some blogs that are probably 404'd by now.

>> No.12597968
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Here's one mans take on Moldbug

https://youtu.be/p6LUjUbikkk

>> No.12597972
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Yarvin lookin' hip

>> No.12597973

>>12597960
all politics, all interpretations of history are ultimately aesthetical and poetic via metaphor/metonomy/irony and synecdoche.

>> No.12597975 [DELETED] 

>>12597636
stop being a fanatic

>> No.12597992

>>12597968
>begins the video with le redpill scene
Yikes, that's gonna be a hard pass.

>> No.12598001

>>12597960
>>12597973
>theory of aesthetics
...could someone please explain this to me as well? I'd like to learn

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>>12597952
wow this is wrong. Land isn't r/acc, he's much closer to u/acc; u/acc seems to be the default position today. l/acc is by far the most sucsessful branch of accelerationism, stemming directly back to the CCRU through afrofuturism, xenofeminism, ect. I can't think of a single r/acc thinker accepted in academia. that being said, l/acc pretty much disappeared after Fisher died, but xenofeminism is very much in vogue. r/acc is the branch that pretty much never existed, there were a few larpers who like to meme Moldbug but overall they end up sounding more like cyberpunk-fashwave than legitimate accelerationist theory. Chances are if you're an accelerationist today you are either trans, communist, or schizophrenic (not slander, that's just the way it pans out).

>> No.12598024

>>12597930
I'm interested in Land and all those edgy fucks and I got interested in Moldbug ... until I read the Patchwork idea...
I might not see the full picture, but it sounds complete bullshit to me.
- How can he unironically believe that "maximalizing security" could lead to anything but a dystopia?
- How would states be disincentived to not militarily fuck up all the others?
etc.

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>>12597972
>Trump reportedly told Peter Thiel they'd be friends for life and then ghosted him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCG5L6iRyA

>> No.12598037

>>12598024
>- How would states be disincentived to not militarily fuck up all the others?

Land has much to say on this. It basically comes down to game theory and MAD.

>-How can he unironically believe that "maximalizing security" could lead to anything but a dystopia?

Patchwork is all about city states doing there own thing. Some will seek to maximize security. These states will either thrive or fail.

>> No.12598060

>>12598027
Thiel is a fucking nerd who reads lectures on Girard to unsuspecting software engineers and plays chess, I don't see him and Trump ever being able to relate on any level.

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>>12597671
>Some of us are still Marxists, you know!
>Kroahoaaooo *jungle music playing*

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>>12598024
>How can he unironically believe that "maximalizing security" could lead to anything but a dystopia?
start with Singapore. how did they do it? or his notes on trichotomy. he's got interesting things to say about lots of stuff; my own sense is that he was always looking to corporate formalism (later, BTC) as the only conceivable ways to box in the fundamentally schizophrenic human drives that propel capital.

http://www.xenosystems.net/trichotomy/

there are ways of handling governance sanely, but mainly for him they begin with a sharp departure from anything that looks like moralism in party politics.

>How would states be disincentived to not militarily fuck up all the others?
i think the idea would be that trade and business in the long run would be a better look for all. obviously there are holes in this argument as well - sometimes war is good for business too - but i think his feeling was that disinterested intelligence production and Moldbuggian SovCorp formalism would disincentivize people to make war when you can make a lot of other things potentially more useful.

NRx utopias are cyberpunk dystopias flipped inside out and romantic as fuck. they aren't airtight, and lots of guys in that world have been spending years poring over Jouvenel or Schmitt or whatever else and trying to figure out the concept of sovereignty as such. Land has now basically committed himself to writing about BTC and the Nakamoto paper as - so he thinks - a rigorous contribution to transcendental philosophy, with perhaps the hope that eventually political theory will catch up with it. i'm not NRx myself, i don't know. but that was more or less the narrative as i understood it.

>> No.12598119

>>12598006
being trans or communist is hardly subversive anymore. Want to piss people off? want to 'stick it to the man'? epater le bourgeoisie?EsotericHitlerism is the way. there is nothing more transgressive than Hitler.

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>>12598006
>tfw when probably transcommie schizo in denial

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>>12598119
even if you were right (you aren't, it's boomer fodder) focusing on transgression rather than speculative ontology is part of the reason r/acc was a total failure

>> No.12598156

>>12598142
you seriously think there is somethign more transgressive than praising Hitler? It's quasi illegal

>> No.12598193

>>12598142
how about a performative ontology of transgression? insurrectionary satanism, immanent terrorism, the positing of Hitlerism as immanent-Kalki principle? The present techno industrial cybernetic control system is a product of the war effort of the 40s- it was designed to do one thing and one thing only, that is, defeat Hitler. Likewise the whole ideology of liberal progressivism critikal theory etc. was a pure reaction to hitlerism. These systems were refined during the cold war, but hitler remains inscribed within the whole vortex of it. hitler is the implied eschatology. Managerial liberalism, the whole trans fad phenomenon, we as humanity only put up with this shit because we are told the alternative is going full Hitler. and you can't go full Hitler. but what if Hitler is the lesser of two evils? what if trannies are worse than Hitler?

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>>12598156
doing coke and banging hookers is actually illegal, not very transgressive though. Hitler worship is transgressive the way wearing a make America great again hat is transgressive; it "triggers the libs" but literally does nothing to the status quo. Chopping your dick off is unironically more of a threat to the order of things than the desperate reterritorialization of the socius around the despotic-body of a 20th century German autocrat.

>> No.12598219

>>12598194
>Hitler worship is transgressive the way wearing a make America great again hat is transgressive
Not comparable m8. It is quite literally illegal in some western countries. Although the maga hat is largely more edgy than being trans as well

Chopping your dick off doesn't threaten anybody, and the entire establishment is shilling for it right now, how can you see it as transgressive? Even if by status quo you mean capitalism, you are in no way threatening capitalists by cutting your dick off. And it's not like international capital wants a Hitler style America, the very idea horrifies them.

All this leaving aside whether the ruling class are truly capitalist shills at this point

>> No.12598220

>>12598193
always pick deterritorialization over reterriorialization, otherwise you remain vainly gesturing against the motor of modernity

>> No.12598225

If you read Land's blog, he thinks some of Moldbug's ideas are painfully naive. That is he is trying on some level to contain the threshold forces, that cannot be contained axiomatically. What he does sympathize though is that Capitalism in its present condition is greatest threshold of "controlled anarchy" global society can afford. But Land doesn't think axiomatically like Moldbug does, so accelerationism is in some sense unconditional, the problem is how to make do with the present situation without total endemic collapse, though I am not sure if Land really wants to avoid such an event.

>> No.12598240

>>12598219
>the entire establishment
>the left wing in the united states is the entire establishment of civilization
cringe burger logic m8; if you can't see how deterritorializing trends are reterritorialized through political movements in order to maintain a grip on the Human Security System I would just say read more Land. Becoming-trans is inherently a form of becoming-inhuman

>> No.12598247

>>12598068
rare nick pic

>> No.12598255

>>12598240
Landian trans-humanism has literally nothing to do with gender politics, and 'the left wing in the US is the entire establishment of civilzation' is Moldbug 101

>> No.12598278

>>12598220
but what if only way to deterritorialize is through anarcho hitlerism.
>>12598240
>Becoming-trans is inherently a form of becoming-inhuman

but its just so lame. like you could argue furries are a form becoming-inhuman as well. Like furries, trans people are hardly a threat to civilization, ludicrous creatures definitely not worth taking seriously. Hitler Cultists? now we are talking

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>>12598255
I wasn't talking about trans-humanism (which Nick Land rejects by the way) or gender "politics", I was talking about Deleuzian reterritorialization. I really don't care about Moldbug desu he's probably the least interesting thinker Land has ever written about

>> No.12598308

>>12598194
what the fuck are you talking about

>> No.12598314

>>12598278
funny you mention that; I have unironically made the argument furries are prime cosmotechnics and a perfect example of the integration between digital personas into the physical world. Yes, furries are far more transgressive than Hitler cults, which again is a reterritorilization on the despotic-body of Hitler and not a true movement of deterritorialization

>> No.12598333

>>12598299
If you don't care about Moldbug then you simply don't understand Land.

>> No.12598354

>>12598314
what is your opinion on the teachings of Charles Manson? (>>12597955) the similarities with D&G are eerie. Manson is Dionysius. The Family are Bacchantes. California is Macedonia.

I JUST PLAYED MUSIC PEOPLE WERE AFFECTED BY THE MUSIC I PLAYED

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>>12598333
Land wrote all his best work years before he ever discovered Moldbug, have you never read Fanged Noumena?

>> No.12598367

>>12598358
I read FN years ago when NRx was becoming a thing and Land has integrated his older stuff with neoreaction

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>>12598354
all I'll say is you haven't started to go down the cult rabbit hole till you find out both Manson and Son of Sam were involved with Process Church of the Final Judgment

>> No.12598382

>>12598367
NRx is like the retarded younger cousin of accelerationism that can't stop posting edgy memes on facebook to trigger his parents. Hell Negarestani is a better torchbearer of Nick Land then Nick Land is
(the bitcoin book is turning out dope though I will admit)

>> No.12598398

>>12598382
The only problem you have with NRx is that it contain explicit wrongthink. It fits perfectly with Land's philosophy, which would be the entire reason he liked Moldbug so much.

>> No.12598497

>>12598398
No, I just think it's incredibly anthropocentric to think we can theorize the proper social system to move the system forward, it's almost as bad as communism in it's idealist tendencies. Nick Land turned NRx because he came down off the meth, realized bladerunner never happened, and thus lost his faith in Capital and tried to save it from IQ shredding, ect. instead