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At least for intellectuals before? If you read descriptions about Socrates, a lot of them say that he was ugly and after looking at other intellectuals, most of them are. Although this doesn't lose my respect for them, it's one of the things I found that is common among intellectuals.

Descartes's face looks like a deformed jew, Schopenhauer looks like a goblin version of Beethoven, Stephen Hawking looks like well... Stephen Hawking. Very common.

>> No.12539043

>The extant sources agree that Socrates was profoundly ugly, resembling a satyr more than a man—and resembling not at all the statues that turned up later in ancient times and now grace Internet sites and the covers of books. He had wide-set, bulging eyes that darted sideways and enabled him, like a crab, to see not only what was straight ahead, but what was beside him as well; a flat, upturned nose with flaring nostrils; and large fleshy lips like an ass. Socrates let his hair grow long, Spartan-style (even while Athens and Sparta were at war), and went about barefoot and unwashed, carrying a stick and looking arrogant. He didn’t change his clothes but efficiently wore in the daytime what he covered himself with at night. Something was peculiar about his gait as well, sometimes described as a swagger so intimidating that enemy soldiers kept their distance. He was impervious to the effects of alcohol and cold weather, but this made him an object of suspicion to his fellow soldiers on campaign.
How can one man be this based?

>> No.12539055

>>12539043
By going full autist that cost him his life. Literally /ourguy/.

>> No.12539071

Perhaps... I'm quite unattractive (by my own standards), I've never had a girlfriend and I'm in pursuit of intelligence
It's true

>> No.12539082

Ugly physicality also implies ugly soul.

This must explain why academics and intellectuals have been the midwives of the most horrifying social and political experiments on the planet for the last few hundred years.

>> No.12539098

>>12538998
ugliness is a gift from god
consider yourselves lucky

>> No.12539114

>>12539098
why

>> No.12539116

>>12539082
Is there such a thing as an ugly soul though? If we follow Plato's structure, and ugly soul would the failure of the logos to regulate the other two, thymos and eros but this only happens when we are currently living, not something we are born with.
>>12539098
It doesn't answer my question though.

>> No.12539124
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>>12539098
>gift from God

>> No.12539133

>>12538998
Troll?
Why would Socrates care if he was good looking or not?

>> No.12539136

>>12538998
read Nietzsche
Nietzsche loved making arguments about the fact that Socrates was stomach-turning

>> No.12539142

>>12539129
He doesn't. How does that relate to my question?

>> No.12539143

>>12539133
forget Socrates, why would anyone care?

>> No.12539148

>AT THAT TIME I was only twenty-four. My life was even then gloomy, ill-regulated, and as solitary as that of a savage. I made friends with no one and positively avoided talking, and buried myself more and more in my hole. At work in the office I never looked at anyone, and was perfectly well aware that my companions looked upon me, not only as a queer fellow, but even looked upon me--I always fancied this--with a sort of loathing. I sometimes wondered why it was that nobody except me fancied that he was looked upon with aversion? One of the clerks had a most repulsive, pock-marked face, which looked positively villainous. I believe I should not have dared to look at anyone with such an unsightly countenance. Another had such a very dirty old uniform that there was an unpleasant odour in his proximity. Yet not one of these gentlemen showed the slightest self-consciousness--either about their clothes or their countenance or their character in any way. Neither of them ever imagined that they were looked at with repulsion; if they had imagined it they would not have minded--so long as their superiors did not look at them in that way. It is clear to me now that, owing to my unbounded vanity and to the high standard I set for myself, I often looked at myself with furious discontent, which verged on loathing, and so I inwardly attributed the same feeling to everyone. I hated my face, for instance: I thought it disgusting, and even suspected that there was something base in my expression, and so every day when I turned up at the office I tried to behave as independently as possible, and to assume a lofty expression, so that I might not be suspected of being abject. "My face may be ugly," I thought, "but let it be lofty, expressive, and, above all, EXTREMELY intelligent." But I was positively and painfully certain that it was impossible for my countenance ever to express those qualities. And what was worst of all, I thought it actually stupid looking, and I would have been quite satisfied if I could have looked intelligent. In fact, I would even have put up with looking base if, at the same time, my face could have been thought strikingly intelligent.

>> No.12539160

>>12539043
Read zootheology
He wasn't a man

>> No.12539164

>>12539136
Nietzsche was an ugly bloke himself though.
>>12539143
I wouldn't care? But the question is about the correlation of ugliness and intelligence. Is pursuing intelligence a compensation for their unfortunate looks?

>> No.12539169

>>12538998
no, the pursuit of beauty is for stupid people

>> No.12539171

>>12538998
Pretty much everything we’ve done was to get girls

>> No.12539173

>>12539082
This. Physiognomy should still be a legit field of study desu

>> No.12539204

>>12539169
Unlike intelligence though, beauty is genetic and can't be developed. If you're already good looking you wouldn't compensate by pursuing intelligence. You have nothing to compensate for. If you're handsome but a dumbfuck, you could always go read a book but you can't do the same if you're ugly.

>> No.12539207

It's true. The only reason I want to be a famous intellect is so generations to come will have to suffer the disgusting spectre of my visage. I will put it in my will that an auto icon of me will be created and displayed prominently for all to see. I hope, when flicked to on the projector, in the lecture theater, my image will make the whole class gasp in shock--how could a human being be so ugly? Then the lecturer will make a snippy comment along the lines of "well, he wasn't know for his looks" and the everyone will chuckle nervously. But when they lay their heads down at night it will be my face that haunts their thoughts. That will be my revenge on the world.

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>>12538998
C’est bien, ca

>> No.12539210

>>12539171
>tfw women is both a deterrent and an inspiration.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.12539219

>>12539114
God makes people he likes suffer. The trails of a king are much worse than a peasant.

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>>12539098
>lucky

>> No.12539235

>>12539207
Jesus Christ dude.
>>12539208
Is Satre the most ugly person in the academic world?

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>>12539235
>Is Satre the most ugly person in the academic world?
Idk but he's certainly the most observant