/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12521910]

What works of literature explain this phenomenon?

[Anonymous No.12521914]

Needs to pluck those eyebrows and (s)he'll be 8/10.

[Anonymous No.12521919]

Demons, by Fyodor Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.12521961]

>>12521910
”The Mirror Stage”, Lacan
Society of the Spectacle, Debord
Deceit, Desire and the Novel, Girard

[Anonymous No.12521989]

The DSM-5

[Anonymous No.12522013]

>>12521989
this.

[Anonymous No.12522170]

Sex and Character

[Anonymous No.12522176]

>hiding the Adams apple with a choker

[Anonymous No.12522178]

>>12521989
Based and Psychiatrypilled.

[Anonymous No.12522211]

>>12521910
what a whore

[Anonymous No.12522276]

>>12521910
The way of men

By J. Donovan

[Anonymous No.12522291]

Men trapped in men's bodies

[Anonymous No.12522303]

>>12521910
The Emperor's New Clothes

[Anonymous No.12522310]

>>12522176
>putting on a bra as if that would make his chest any less flat

[Anonymous No.12522333]

>>12522310
>eyeliner and mascara as if that hides the derangement in his eyes

[Anonymous No.12522350]

There is a Wellbäck-style novel here, men driven to cut off their dick out of sexual frustration. It could be very fun to read.

[Anonymous No.12522404]

Historia Augusta, Elagabalus chapter

[Anonymous No.12522487]

she's sexy

[Anonymous No.12522494]

Autogynephilia

[Anonymous No.12522502]

>>12522487
I'm asexual.

[Anonymous No.12522505]

>>12522502
this is the "I'm asian" of /lit/ huh

[Anonymous No.12522539]

>>12522487
bASed

[Anonymous No.12522543]

>>12522487

[Anonymous No.12522553]

>>12521910
>that "kill me" look in the left
>"if only you knew how bad things were" on the right
Perhaps some people are just never meant to live the life given to them

[Anonymous No.12522567]

>>12522553
I think they're trying to look like a model

[Anonymous No.12522582]

>>12522543
This is an excellent parody.

[Anonymous No.12522737]

>>12521910
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.12522750]

why do anime and autogynephilia seem to be linked so close?

[Anonymous No.12522770]

>>12522750
Escapism and surrogate social relations. I don't think that they are causally related, merely correlated

[Anonymous No.12522776]

>>12522750
autism

[Anonymous No.12522797]

That's a cute boy on the left, on the right he looks hideous. Why does he do this to himself?

[Anonymous No.12522810]

Anyone here crossdressed before? Is it nice? I've recently gotten very upset at myself for my failings as a man, and feel like women will never like me because of these qualities of mine, which are in the domain of submissiveness and the like. I was thinking of lashing out, by turning to crossdressing and sissyfication as a way to express myself without shame or restraint. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.12522822]

>>12521910
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

[Anonymous No.12522835]

>>12522810
knock it of and just be a bottom

[Anonymous No.12522841]

>>12522810
I've done it before in a darker time in my life. It can be fun in moderation, just do it in private and don't force anyone to participate in it (roommates, gf, family). I wouldn't recommend it because it can be kind of a slippery slope. Don't use it to be a degenerate, it's demeaning to women and yourself, and unsafe not to mention.

[Anonymous No.12522858]

>>12522841
Do you agree with me that clothing has actual, metaphysical energy to it? And that wearing female clothing actually involves taking on feminine energy?

[Anonymous No.12522861]

>>12522810
dress how you wanna dress. haters gonna hate no matter what.

[Anonymous No.12522870]

what works of literature explain why you care

[Anonymous No.12522877]

It's not okay to make fun of the mentally ill
I expected more of /lit/

[Anonymous No.12522885]

>>12522841
>and unsafe
How so?

[Anonymous No.12522894]

>>12522858
No, nothing metaphysical like that. It can help you get over mental blocks you've put on yourself though. I had TOCD (kind of like picrel) when I was a kid so crossdressing helped me overcome some of my compulsions and false ideas about gender. It was more in the line of exposure therapy for me than anything else

[Anonymous No.12522901]

>>12522870
Right? I mean, everyone's just living they're lives. Why do you care? He seems happy, are you against happiness? Lol? Are you so bitter that you get upset when people are happy? Why do you care dude? It doesn't affect your life. People are individuals and can do whatever they want. I am just happy that people are happy. Everyones doing their best. We're all basically the same person. No one is smarter or better than anyone else lol who are you to judge? Wow you're soooo smart for judging and criticizing someone. Why judge someone lol? Why not just let him live his life? Why do you care so much? Im happy for others when their happy. I dont judge

Ummm why are you so upset? You literally have a great life? Why don't you just relax? You can do whatever you want in modern society. Aren't you tired of being upset about things you can't change? Why don't you just relax and enjoy life? Why waste your time criticizing others, lol? Why not just relax and stop being upset? Who hurt you? Who hurt you so that you feel the need to judge others instead of just enjoying life and relaxing? Why are you so upset? I'm happy, other people are happy, why can't you be happy? Life is good and everyone's just trying their best to be happy and buy the things that make them happy... Maybe the problem is really with you?? Idk maybe you need to learn to relax and stop being so obsessed with what other people are doing? :S Why don't you just relax and enjoy life?

[Anonymous No.12522903]

>>12521910
The DSM-5

[Anonymous No.12522908]

>>12521989
fuck, sorry boys

[Anonymous No.12522910]

>>12522901
This has to be bait

[Anonymous No.12522914]

>soulless vs soulless

[Anonymous No.12522917]

>>12522903
>>12522908
You guys keep recommending the DSM-V as an insult, but desu didn't they remove transexual fetishism between the fourth and fifth editions?

[Anonymous No.12522919]

>>12522885
He mentioned "sissy" stuff (absolutely disgusting and degenerate) which often involves sex with males, so there is an inherent risk of STDs, rectal injury, violence, and other calamities like blackmail and rape. Sex is inherently risky even for exclusive reproductive sex. What he mentioned is some of the riskiest sex you can have

[Anonymous No.12522931]

>>12521910
Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism by Anne Lawrence

[Anonymous No.12522937]

>>12522919
no for me that just meant pretending to be a girl, like wearing their clothes and behaving like one, not anything w sex

[Anonymous No.12522946]

>>12522885
trannies are killed all the time, like 1 in 8 mtf's in america get got

[Anonymous No.12522951]

>>12522885
you may be physically or verbally assaulted by less enlightened castes

[Anonymous No.12522957]

>>12522937
Oh, and seeing how unfeminine and masculine you actually are can be suicide fuel for some people, so be careful with that

[Anonymous No.12522966]

>>12522937
>I just want to be perceived as a girl
>This is not a fetish, it has nothing to do with sex.
I hate to break it to you on Portuguese tiddly-winks appreciation forum, but you're trans, dude.

[Anonymous No.12522977]

>"fuck off, you're not a real female"
>"actually, no they aren't, but we should allow them to transition anyway because that's the only proven method to alleviate their mental distress"
>*sOcIeTy lets boys dress as girls*
>they still off themselves 9 out of 10 times

How do we address the Tranny Question?

[Anonymous No.12522978]

>>12521910
the suicide note "she" will leave behind.

[Anonymous No.12522996]

>>12522917
I'm pretty sure Gender Disphoria Disorder is still there

[Anonymous No.12523013]

>>12522996
It's still in there but is described as more being caused by social ostracizion than being an inherent part of being trans iirc. Ray Blanchard was on the board responsible for the section so it's more balanced than you might think

[Anonymous No.12523024]

Went from a cute guy to an ugly girl.

[Anonymous No.12523028]

>>12522977
>they still off themselves 9 out of 10 times
Don't believe this man. He is a skeleton and has not posted sauce.

[Anonymous No.12523030]

Islam can't come soon enough.
Inshallah

[Anonymous No.12523056]

>>12522567
>using they instead of it
Ishygddt

[Anonymous No.12523066]

>>12522966
no dude i'm doing it to lash out at women not wanting me. kind of like a girl, who, in finding out guys dont like her, intentionally distances herself from them to make a point to herself that she doesnt need them. if i can't be liked by girls, for being a beta, why not just abandon them altogether? if i can't be liked by them, why not just join them?

[Anonymous No.12523073]

>>12523066
You sound like you're rationalizing your transsexuality but it's your life man. Alternatively, if you just want to make fun of women, why not become a drag queen? At least that way you can LARP as femme David Bowie or whatever.

[Anonymous No.12523075]

>>12523056
Living things aren't *it*s friend

[Anonymous No.12523078]

>body mutilation is a good way to treat a mental illness

we have gone full circle back to the middle ages

[Anonymous No.12523079]

>>12523066
You're not gonna make it if you let people affect you like that

[Anonymous No.12523083]

>>12523073
>You sound like you're rationalizing your transsexuality but it's your life man.
Not him but surely he isn't suffering from severe enough gender dysphoria (or any meaningful amount at all) to be trans?

[Anonymous No.12523087]

>>12523078
The vast majority of tranners don't have surgery tho

[Anonymous No.12523092]

>>12523079
>You're not gonna make it if you let people affect you like that
How do you stop your subconscious mind and your feelings from reacting this way even though your rational mind tells you to not let it affect you?

[Anonymous No.12523095]

>>12523028
The actual number is like +50% which is huge and actually increases in likelihood if they go under surgery
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

[Anonymous No.12523099]

>>12523083
Ma'am is your fridge running?
Than you better go catch it!

[Anonymous No.12523103]

>>12523092
Go talk to a therapist about it

[Anonymous No.12523113]

>>12523073
>>12523083
not trans at all guys, or have dysphoria or any of these terms im not familiar with. i'm just kind of upset in life and my relation to women, and seeking an outlet for my frustration. It sounds dumb as hell, i know. just being an idiot i guess. basically my point is that if im already invisible to women, why not make myself even more so, by feminizing myself a bit perhaps? maybe wearing slightly more effeminate dress, and getting earrings, or so on? im already a sensitive lad and maybe id like those kinds of aesthetics, like in certain anime drawings ive seen. the thought only came to me a few days ago

>>12523079
maybe

[Anonymous No.12523117]

>I'm gonna transition and I'm going to look sooo cute and feminine, nobody will even notice I once had a dick :P

No, you're not "passing", you're going to turn into an abomination like pic related

Don't do it. People like you had lives before the establishment decided it's a good thing to escalate on the delusions of the mentally ill

[Anonymous No.12523125]

>>12523103
Sadler doesn't need one, he says its only for people who need others to explain things to them so surely you can learn all you need to without needing a therapist?

[Anonymous No.12523127]

>>12523113
The thing is that most guys who are unsuccessful with women just take up Magic: The Gathering or write angsty poems, very few get the idea to become a woman to spite women. That's a little weird. On the other hand, if you want to wear make-up and earrings and shit, go for it (especially if you live in a major city and not out in the fucking boondocks where you'll get beaten or whatever). Cross-dressing to work out some issues is a healthier alternative than becoming Elliot Rodger, anyway. And I personally kind of dig androgyny in men and women.

[Anonymous No.12523130]

>>12523125
Don't know who Sadler is, but therapists can help you straighten out your thoughts and cut out the bullshit you tell yourself

[Anonymous No.12523137]

>>12523113
>basically my point is that if im already invisible to women, why not make myself even more so, by feminizing myself a bit perhaps?
Because what does that achieve? What you're doing is trying to make a positive out of the things that make you inferior which is a death spiral since you'll just become more of a freak. What you should be doing is trying to cultivate positive qualities even if its a hopeless struggle at least there is a possibility there of happiness

[Anonymous No.12523163]

>>12523137
>Because what does that achieve? What you're doing is trying to make a positive out of the things that make you inferior which is a death spiral since you'll just become more of a freak.
feels so much better to do that though
like when you know you don't deserve to be in a relationship or come in contact with women so you tie your balls up so tight on such a regular basis that you get swelling in your epididymis and you repeat over and over something along the lines of "I'm a pussy free virgin faggot loser who doesn't deserve any affection from any girl"
then when you go outside you look down at the ground or mentally kick yourself whenever you find you feel attracted to a girl who passes you on the street

[Anonymous No.12523165]

>>12521989
Not anymore, now playing video gaems is mental illness but thinking you are the opposite sex is just ok bruh.

[Anonymous No.12523180]

>>12523163
I'm going to level with you. I do not think homosexuality or transsexuality is a mental illness, but I think that whatever you have is a mental illness, some complex of depression, resentment, and anxiety.

[Anonymous No.12523184]

>>12523030
islam is probably the gayest religion, boy fucking is the number 1 hobby in pakistan

[Anonymous No.12523218]

>>12523180
Addendum: And I'm not saying this to belittle you or make fun of you. I've had similar thoughts to yours. And I've also liked cross-dressing. For me, though, it's more like "I'll never have sex again in order to punish the world for making pleasure!" The thing is, I recognize that this is 1) utterly delusional, and 2) the product of unhealthy, not useful spite.

[Anonymous No.12523226]

there is no theoretical backing for transgenderism. there is no such a thing as a "female/male" mind and even if there was one, how would performing the most superficial elements of the social aspects of wo/manhood (wearing makeup, gender specific clothing, pronouns) satisfy it? wouldn't the things you want be specifically the things impossible to have: menstruation, child birth, ejaculation, etc?

there is no reason to think wearing makeup or men's/women's clothing has anything to do with your (innate) mind. they are simply arbitrary social practices that we have created and we follow out of social obedience. i wear men's clothing simply because i've been conditioned as a man to and that's what's socially acceptable. if you wish to go against the grain of social norms, then that's fine (gender norms are pointless) but to create a medical condition for it is intellectually disingenuous.

and there is no theoretical difference between transgenderism and transracialism. if you accept one, you have to accept the other or you're being the racial equivalent of a TERF. but people argue for one while denouncing the other, which is also intellectually dishonest.

i'm all for destroying gender but only if it's done with honesty. simply state: i don't want to do this gender specific practice and that's it. to create this movement, to create this medical industry, to create this false identity. this is all unnecessary and pointless.

if anyone has any intellectually rigorous studies of transgenderism, i'd be interested in reading them but i honestly think it's a sham.

[Anonymous No.12523228]

>>12523127
no dude ur right its pretty damn dumb and as i said its a thought that came to me only recently, i probably wont do it. I dont actually "feel like a girl" inside

>>12523137
>>12523180
yeah ur right. also im not >>12523163 and dont want to do any of that nasty stuff.

if i can be honest w u guys, ill explain myself a bit further. i find myself "retreating", from my identity as a boy and as the person-I-am, as a result of this crushing loneliness that i've come to internalize now. and by retreating i mean sort of "detaching" myself from myself, from my identity. and a thought came to me of maybe losing myself in another persona, that of a girl, and writing from her perspective. writing journal entries, or a play, or whatever. but basically slipping out of my actual identity, which im too depressed to identify with right now, and into one of another, alter ego or whatever, but this time a female so that i can be as distant to my real self as i can, and forget about it as much as possible. do u guys understand what i mean? is thr anything unhealthy abt doing this? i wont wear female clothes or makeup or whatever, but mentally, or psychically, i want to deidentify myself with my boy-self and just lose myself in a new persona that takes away my pain. is this dangerous, or unhealthy, or mental illness or so on? it would also be a good writing exercise

[Anonymous No.12523232]

>>12523180
>but I think that whatever you have is a mental illness, some complex of depression, resentment, and anxiety.
Couldn't the majority of people in the world have mental illness due to having such garden variety dissatisfaction or dread?

[Anonymous No.12523256]

>>12523228
It sounds like you have some self-loathing issues that are manifesting as a hatred of your gender. I've had the same thing, too. Mine mostly stemmed from reading feminists about how all sex is rape but then being expected (by women, not just men) to be a sexual being. I hated myself. I don't know really how to help you except that you should acknowledge that what you feel and what you think is in some sense legitimate, and you aren't a freak for being lonely.

[Anonymous No.12523260]

>>12523226
Not my writing but:

Some regions of the brain are sexually dimorphic. Now, they're sexually dimorphic in the sense that height is sexually dimorphic, not in the sense that genitals are sexually dimorphic. Men are, on average, taller than women. Similarly some areas of the brain tend to look one way in women and another in men. Think of two largely overlapping bell curves.

The research shows that pre-HRT trans people, regardless of their sexual orientation, tend toward androgyny on the group level when it comes to some sexually dimorphic regions of the brain. That is, the center of the trans bell curve is roughly in between the other two. This is a significant finding but it can't be summed up as "trans people are actually the other sex inside". These regions are not *absolutely* dimorphic the way genitals are. We don't call tall women intersex despite of the fact that being tall correlates with being a man and being short correlates with being a woman.

There are studies that show that transness correlates with genes that reduce one's sensitivity to the dominant sex hormones of one's sex. The dimorphic regions of the brain are influenced by sex hormones. Twin studies show that if one identical twin is trans then the other is overwhelmingly more likely to be trans as well. In other words transsexuality almost certainly has a biological component and actually does correlate with masculinity in trans men and femininity in trans women. Now, does that mean that it is necessarily *entirely* biological? No. It could be that, yes, there is some as of now ununderstood network that controls for gender identity but it is also plausible that the biological differences merely predispose the individual toward developing

[Anonymous No.12523270]

>>12523260
-a cross-sex identity.

½

Animal studies show that if you expose certain animals to a certain amount of cross-sex hormones during key stages of their perinatal development they'll behave like animals of the opposite sex despite overtly looking like their "original" sex. I think that it is plausible that transsexuality is how this phenomenon expresses itself in humans.

Brain studies:
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/46/15466
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321820257_Structural_connections_in_the_brain_in_relation_to_gender_identity_and_sexual_orientation

Gene studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/

Twin/Heritability studies:
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323261652_The_Biological_Contributions_to_Gender_Identity_and_Gender_Diversity_Bringing_Data_to_the_Table

Animal studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3235069

[Anonymous No.12523281]

>>12523260
>>12523270
A reasonable and learned response on 4chan, I guess the polar vortex did freeze over hell.

[Anonymous No.12523293]

>>12523281
Transsexuality is more complicated than is often explained, but when you really examine how it could happen, it just makes sense and is actually quite simple. Activists have really hurt it's public image by politicizing jt

[Anonymous No.12523327]

Is it more gay to have sex with an effeminate man or a transwoman?

[Anonymous No.12523334]

>>12523327

Only if you pander to its desired pronouns.

[Anonymous No.12523341]

>>12523327
It's best to just be asexual.

[Anonymous No.12523343]

>>12523256
okay thx bro ill figure it out. if i can b honest w u, since im feeling so down lately, when i see girls and femininity it feels so light and cheery and it makes me want to be that bc it looks so fun. is that okay? or does that mean im an egg

[Anonymous No.12523387]

>>12522822
a little kid at a show once asked a famous drag queen (also a Drag Race winner like Violet in pic related) "why did you become a drag queen?" Her response, naturally, was "Not to fraternize with children."

I will bet anything that the naked Violet in that pic was uncomfortable, covering her crotch, wondering, "whyyyy do you have your kid in here right now, lady?"

[Anonymous No.12523582]

>>12523256
>>12523343
Different anon, but I've also been having some weird thoughts relating to my gender recently, but I don't know what to make of it.

I also really like femininity and think being feminine sounds fun. Additionally, I also have some feminine tastes in things and am internally sentimental. Even the idea of being referred to as a girl makes me blush a little.

Despite that though, I'm mostly comfortable with my body, I don't want to transition and I have plenty of masculine interests too. It's like, I like being a man, but I also want to feel more like a girl too.

What the fuck is happening to me, and why have these urges come on so suddenly? I doubt I have dysphoria, because I don't hate who I am now, but I still think of myself as a girl at heart.

[Anonymous No.12523612]

>>12523270
>Animal studies show that if you expose certain animals to a certain amount of cross-sex hormones during key stages of their perinatal development they'll behave like animals of the opposite sex despite overtly looking like their "original" sex. I think that it is plausible that transsexuality is how this phenomenon expresses itself in humans.

Thats total horseshit and you know damn well you don't have a shred of evidence to connect these two phenomenon
Show me that trans people are divergent hormonally from any other loser stock they arrise from. You won't find it

[Anonymous No.12523618]

>>12523582
i think firstly its bc masculine-feminine is a spectrum which everyone falls somewhere on and almost nobody is at the polar ends but always has some of the other essence. also i think that we as men are depressed in life and want release and freedom and fun and cheeriness and maybe we see that in the feminine mode of expression? colors, accessories, clothes, flamboyance, makeup, all the rest, it all seems like such a colorful and fun world to be part of compared to boring unexpressive depressing cleancut gray "male world"

[Anonymous No.12523629]

>>12523228
can more ppl respond to my bottompost about wanting to deidentify as a boy and create a female alter ego that i write from the perspective of?

[Anonymous No.12523642]

>>12523343
>>12523582
>>12523618
Keep in mind also that, as guys, the only parts of femininity we see are the fun parts. We don't see the relentless bullying that women pile on each other, what a fucking bitch it must be to learn to put on make-up, and we don't bleed from our genitals once a month.

[Anonymous No.12523647]

>>12523629
Sounds like an interesting psychological and literary experiment. I think Vollman does this.

[Anonymous No.12523682]

>>12523226
Freud and Jung both claim humans to be bisexual

[Anonymous No.12523685]

>>12523612
No one is saying that adult people with GD have the "same hormones" as the gender they identify as pre HRT. What the passage is saying is that gendered behavior is in some part influenced by biological sex, and because biological sex is determined by prenatal hormones, one influence a child's behavior by exposing them to exogenous hormones during gestation. Isn't it a big coincidence that the number of gender dysphoric children skyrocketed after the introduction of glyphosate into industrial agriculture (which is known for being a potent endocrine disruptor) and the use of estrogen-mimicking BPA plastics


(BPA has been found to bind to both of the nuclear estrogen receptors (ERs), ERα and ERβ.[25] It is 1000- to 2000-fold less potent than estradiol.[25] BPA can both mimic the action of estrogen and antagonize estrogen, indicating that it is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) or partial agonist of the ER.[25] At high concentrations, BPA also binds to and acts as an antagonist of the androgen receptor (AR). as per wikipedia)

[Anonymous No.12523723]

>>12523685
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency
Necessary but not sufficient. Whether hormones are a contributor to the behavior says nothing of the roots of the pathology which is to say the nature of the pathology.

For any tranny with a naturally anomolous hormonal profile you'll find 50 normal people who don't

[Anonymous No.12523778]

>>12523723
Medicine is an inductive science. Even though we don't completely understand the causality behind a pathology doesn't mean that we can't feel our way through the dark and find best practices and way to achieve positive outcomes. The prenatal hormone model is the current (incomplete of course) explanation of GD and homosexuality that I've ever come across. Look at the birth order effect: for every older brother that a boy has, there is a 15% chance increase of him being exclusively androphilic. There is definitely something going on with hormones

[Anonymous No.12523791]

>>12523642
thats very true n im aware of that

>>12523647
interdasting. do u think its unhealthy tho? should i not resort to such outlets, and work on my own psyches issues?

[Anonymous No.12523846]

Foucault explained the phenomenon well in the History of Sexuality and Madness and Civilization

[Anonymous No.12523856]

>>12521989
It doesn't explain why even if there were disorders involved

[Anonymous No.12523868]

Which authors would have become traps if they were born in our time? Mishima was big into cross dressing

[Anonymous No.12523888]

>>12523618
I know. The fact that you're not ostracised for being pretty and emotional is great and working to look cute/sexy sounds like so much fun. I even think that having feminine mannerisms and having that kind of female sass would be cool too.

The problem is that I'm a stoic man and I have no way to just embrace my inner girl outwardly without looking ridiculous. I'm starting to consider whether or not I should just refer to myself as female online just so I can indulge that desire a little. Like, I've said, I just feel so confused about my gender right now.

>>12523642
You're right. Although, you're also forgetting the fact that women have to deal with creeps and stalkers as well as misogyny too.

Those things notwithstanding though, being a girl still sounds fun. This is especially true when you consider that most girls have larger friend circles to rely on for support. You also get to make female friends without them constantly being suspicious of you wanting to get in their pants.

[Anonymous No.12523895]

>>12521961
Care to expand?

[Anonymous No.12523907]

>>12523165
Gender and sex are different things, look up the definitions.

[Anonymous No.12523920]

>>12523868
Hemingway for sure
Mishima
Kafka maybe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Timol%C3%A9on_de_Choisy this guy

[Anonymous No.12523943]

>>12523868
Didn't he date trans people? I watched some documentary where his boyfriend/girlfriend who was trans was talking about him. It might have been pre-transition though.