/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12454487]

What are some good fiction works about being on the campaign trail? Aside from Edwin O'Connor's "The Last Hurrah," of course.

[Anonymous No.12454491]

>good
>fiction

[Anonymous No.12454495]

>>12454487
Personally I find politics so insanity-inducing. Does anyone else? I can't keep up with it anymore, it seriously erodes at my mental health. I really don't know how much of its circus actually goes towards something beneficial to society.

[Anonymous No.12454496]

>>12454491
Then recommend some good non-fiction works about being on the campaign trail, dingus.

[Anonymous No.12454499]

>>12454495
>I really don't know how much of its circus actually goes towards something beneficial to society.
Absolutely none.

[Anonymous No.12454501]

>>12454487
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 by Hunter S. Thompson.

On another note, one of my professors is a former nominee for president from one of the two major parties who lost the general election. Get to hear a lot of interesting stories.

[Anonymous No.12454504]

>>12454501
>Get to hear a lot of interesting stories.
Share some please.

[Anonymous No.12454505]

>>12454501
>>12454487

Sorry, didn't see that you qualified answers by asking for fiction specifically. In that case I don't know.

[Anonymous No.12454509]

>>12454505
Fiction or non-fiction is fine, I just didn't want the thread to be deleted for being "off-topic" by asking for non-fiction.

[Anonymous No.12454511]

>>12454499
Why do we still have it then, and spend so much money and energy towards it? Why don't we find a better usage for these resources? I find myself in the minority, with most around me paying attention to politics heavily, so my views are not going to be agreed with by many. But I also don't claim them correct, either. I know very little about politics. Just that today's version of it seems like absolute chaos to me, especially in the USA.

[Anonymous No.12454514]

>>12454496
Not him but I agree with his point
Fictional politicians are more often than not cartoony charicatures or oversimplifications.
I just finished "The Years of Lyndon B. Johnson: Master of the Senate" which heavily discusses his campaigning throughout its entirety, both for house, Senate, and presidential office. It is a fascinating subject, campaigning, but it is also incredibly concerning in how corrupt it is so any fictional portrayal will nearly always be much tamer than the real deal. I highly recommend anything written about the politicians of the 50s to the 70s because it is a shameless era of lobbyists and biographies, both of which combine to shine light on facts many years post which would have been tactfully avoided at the time

[Anonymous No.12454520]

>>12454514
That's the one by Robert Caro, right? I've been meaning to check that one out. Have you read "The Power Broker," also by Caro?

[Anonymous No.12454524]

>>12454504
There's a lot to choose from, but probably the most interesting aspect is seeing how someone who was a nominee for the liberal party has views that would be considered at odds with the progressivism of today, just due to being older and what is considered to be liberalism changing over the years.

I think the story that has stuck with me the most was about how the only time he ever recollects having to lie while being involved with public life was for the sake of protecting a family member. While he was running for a lower office (some years before running for president), his campaign opponent had hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on his family and there was some risk of what was discovered coming out into the open. He doesn't seem to regret that too much and I don't blame him at all for it. I am not very sympathetic to democrats or liberals in general, however.

[Anonymous No.12454536]

>>12454520
No, that one is currently on my to read list. I made a thread a year or so ago here about literature featuring statesmen of note and got a lot of great suggestions, that being one of them, Master of the Senate being another.
Too bad the overzealous janitors killed my attempt to revive the concept not too long ago, so I guess we are stuck with shitty "what are books that talk about this specific political thing" threads instead of a kind of political texts general. No, that isn't /his/, because they will not have a discussion about the literature, instead favoring conjecture about whatever topic they can derive from the book in the OP. Also they will say >>>/lit/, so one of the boards needs to house that thread and it should be here where it will be given proper respect

[Anonymous No.12454537]

I'm glad "my" senator is in New York doing "lol! so relatable" media campaigns and not in D.C. or California, doing her job.

[Anonymous No.12454542]

>>12454491
I want philosophoids out of my board by sun up

[Anonymous No.12454564]

>>12454537
Of course, who can forget the moment they "announced for POTUS," it's as memorable as Prom night. Every has fond memories of that experience.

[Anonymous No.12454587]

>>12454536
Thanks for your past efforts. Sadly /lit/, as shitty as it is, is still the best place for political and historical discussion on this site. /his/ is a cesspit combining the worst aspects of /sp/, /int/, and /pol/ most of the time, it is rare you actually learn something from that board.

[Anonymous No.12454591]

>>12454487
>Haha look I eat at Penn Station just like a normal person does! I'm just like you!

[Anonymous No.12454652]

>>12454487
What Happened by Hillary Clinton. It's a work of creative non-fiction, at least.

[Anonymous No.12454695]

>>12454491
Back to /v/, fuckboi.

[Anonymous No.12454770]

>>12454514
Not about the campaign trail, but for the same era David halberstams The best and the brightest is a great book

[Anonymous No.12454797]

>>12454487

omg shes just like us

[Anonymous No.12454827]

>>12454797
Harris combines the worst aspects of middle-aged narcissistic women on social media with being a pandering, dishonest politician. Her campaign will be even more insufferable than Hillary's.

[Anonymous No.12454856]

>>12454770
This is a mistaken post. That book heavily features his campaigns, again, for Senator and president, as well as a bit for House Rep, though that one is kind of shitty for him since he greased his way into it. It obviously is not solely focused on campaign trails because that is only a small part of the political process comparatively, but I promise it will talk in more length and depth than any suggestion featuring a fictional campaign

[Anonymous No.12454857]

>>12454511
Was politics like this before social media/tv?

[Anonymous No.12454868]

>>12454495
Modern politics is like a never-ending soap opera. It's filled with obvious layers of bullshit and endless "gotcha!" games that we all know are nonsense, but can't dispense with because at this point it's about the only thing keeping most of the spiritually devoid, utterly materialist west in one piece.

[Anonymous No.12454871]

>>12454857
No, it was much more personal and intimate. The Last Hurrah actually does a good job of portraying the shift from old school paternalistic "man of the people" politicians to attractive media-created politicians.

[Anonymous No.12454875]

>>12454487
OP image reminds me of this. These people don't know how to act naturally around poors so it all comes off fake as hell.

[Anonymous No.12454908]

>>12454491
sup toxo

[Anonymous No.12454932]

>>12454875
Jesus christ.
Day of the rope soon pls. Politicians should be the first to go.

[Anonymous No.12454998]

>>12454487

[Anonymous No.12455179]

>>12454998
WTF is with that filename?

[Anonymous No.12455302]

>>12454487
All the King's Men

[Anonymous No.12455310]

>>12454501
>Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 by Hunter S. Thompson.

Best part of that book is when some governor in some southern state loses his job because of supposed drug-induced gang bangs and Thompson is asked if he's heard the rumor, and he says: "Yes of course, I'm the one who started that rumor." Thompson really was the one who started fake news.

[Anonymous No.12455313]

>>12454487

[Anonymous No.12455315]

Im currently reading All the King’s Men and it seems to have what you’re looking for. Keep in mind it’s based in the 1930s and is more or less a smear piece against a man who didnt deserve it (Huey Long).

[Anonymous No.12455468]

>>12455313
I'm looking for sincere works only, none of that ironic insincere DFW shit.

[Anonymous No.12455471]

>>12455468
I just think it's funny that it exists. "Aboard the Straight Talk Express... Thinking about Hope." What a fucking phony.

[Anonymous No.12455472]

>>12454491
I thought "If This Is Man" was quite good, actually

[Anonymous No.12455508]

>>12454487
Is this the most basic female politician ever? Surprised I don't see a starbucks cup on the table.

[Anonymous No.12455786]

>>12455508
That belongs to Ocasio-Cortez

[Anonymous No.12455806]

>>12455786
AOC can meme (somewhat) though, Kamala Harris is like a middle-aged housewife who browses facebook all day and watches crime dramas on network TV and Netflix at night. She probably does pilates or some shit too.

[Anonymous No.12455866]

>live in northern yurop
>yesterday everyone at uni was talking about some racist american kids
>today they apparently are not racist but probably are still kinda racist because they wore maga hats
>nobody ever talks about our country's or europe's politics
It's depressing how culturally dominant the US is.

[Anonymous No.12455878]

>>12454487
>OP's pic related
>Penn station refers to Penn station in NY
>not the objectively superior Baltimore Penn station
>not clarifying this by saying "Hitting up the deli in New York's Penn station for an egg and cheese after you've announced for POTUS, shame that I couldn't get one from the one and only true Penn station in Baltimore"

I'm triggered m8

[Anonymous No.12455884]

>>12454868
What do we do, bro? How do we BTFO the modern identity politics, and reinstall a culture devoted to universal spiritual transcendence to the american masses?

[Anonymous No.12455888]

>>12454495
Yeah. I used to follow politics since I was a kid, through Bush, Clinton twice, Bush again twice, then Obummer and now a reality tv star and the deep state (ahem excuse me i mean steady state :eyeroll:) set against him. It's

Abraham Lincoln and George Washington were extremely prescient about politics. Washington feared political parties would take over the nation, and Lincoln predicted that America could only be destroyed by its own hand. Just a few decades later Woodrow Wilson would create the Federal Reserve and debt would become our currency. Interest never takes a day off. The end is nearly here.

>>12454487
Not fiction: Goodwin's Team of Rivals
Fiction: Condon's The Manchurian Candidate

[Anonymous No.12455894]

>>12455878
Get over yourself, dude. Penn Station has always primarily referred to the one in NYC. I'm from the West Coast and I've always known of the NYC one. No one gives fuck about your irrelevant, crime-ridden city's inferior station.

[Anonymous No.12455910]

>>12455866
Nobody in the US has any idea at all of European politics, since they're not mentioned at all on default news platforms here beyond vague statements like 'hungary racist nazis" for liberal sources or "muslims invading germany and harassing jews" for conservative ones. They recently removed Mhz networks from my local pbs stations so the only way my computer illiterate parents can even access news about Europe is via a sky news app I had to download on our tv.

[Anonymous No.12455913]

>>12455894
>west coast
pleb
>thinks New York is in any way superior to Baltimore
pleb
>doesn't recognize Baltimore as the site of the modern spiritual Renaissance and salvation of the human spirit
PLEB

[Anonymous No.12455966]

>>12455913
Sorry, should have clarified that the entire Eastern Seaboard is a shithole region with no redeeming qualities in the 21st century. Baltimore's relevance died with H. L. Mencken.

[Anonymous No.12456004]

>>12454487
I know everyone is memeing Kamala here right now. But if it’s not Bernie, I want her to fucking wiiiiiiiin. Fucking drop that shit eating grin and wiiiiiin!

[Anonymous No.12456015]

>>12454542
>implying he reads philosophy

[Anonymous No.12456145]

>>12455786
AOC's not basic at all, which is why the 70-year-old politicians are all yelling at her to sit down and shut up. She rules

Kamala Harris is a completely dishonest, morally empty career prosecutor (the most corrupt and evil people in the country) and is basically a black Clinton

[Anonymous No.12456445]

>>12456145
how the fuck is she not basic? She's not necessarily dumber than the boomers in congress since they are also retarded, but she's clearly not much above your typical lib-art chick's understanding of how the world works. She's pretty obviously the puppet of some sort of lobbying group.

[Anonymous No.12456697]

>>12454491
Really dude?

[Anonymous No.12456717]

>>12454868
This is literally the exact reason why Trump won in 2016 and it's exactly why he's going to beat whoever the Democrats run in 2020. Matt Taibbi had a great article about this in 2016. American politics has, essentially, become a giant reality TV show. Why are we so surprised that a reality TV star knows how to play the game as well as he does?

[fuck jannies No.12456779]

>>12455884
My Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, the 9th of the daśāvatāra, showed the way
When Kalki-āvatāra, the destroyer of filth, descends on Devadatta and stabs world Jewry straight through its gelded heart with Ratna Maru the blazing comet sword, America will vanish completely from creation.

[Anonymous No.12457264]

>>12455913
>Baltimore

If I wanted to see monkies I’d just go to the zoo.

[Anonymous No.12457329]

>>12456717
What pisses me off is when he's lauded by retards for explicitly not "playing the game" and being part of it all, when in reality you're right - he's the bloated, revolting culmination of it.
Nothing has eroded my confidence in people more than the last four years of life in America.

[Anonymous No.12457398]

>>12456445
She's a relatively basic lib-art chick but I strongly prefer that to robotic boomer neocon nonsense
If she is the puppet of a lobbying group, she's pretty good at seeming strongly opposed to them publically. My level of trust in American politicians is nonexistent so I wouldn't be surprised if she was, but she does shittalk them for now

[Anonymous No.12457409]

>>12456445
>She's pretty obviously the puppet of some sort of lobbying group
How is it obvious and which lobbying group or groups?
Please.

[Anonymous No.12457420]

>>12457398
Goldman Sachs was one of her largest campaign donators and she's already stated that she will do whatever she can to prevent anyone touching capital gains. I understand that she's the first even half-way fuckable female to be in congress in a very long time, but keep your cock in your pants.

>>12455866
We're the empire, my dude. Well no, that's wrong, I'm a colonial subject of the United States Federal Government just like you, I just live closer to the Imperial Center than you do. The system is setup to suck as much blood as it can out of us, ship it to the centers of power, and then throw scraps at us to keep us calm and placated.

[Anonymous No.12457422]

>>12456717
Trump won by appealing to rural and suburban white people in fly-over states. He didnt even do very much to pander to them, but his opposition told them 'you're pathetic and evil' so it wasn't very hard

doesnt matter though, in another few years Texas will be too brown to vote Republican and the Dems will never lose again

[Anonymous No.12457427]

>>12454487
DSM-5, disillusion of grandeur

[Anonymous No.12457431]

>>12457420
>Goldman Sachs was one of her largest campaign donators and she's already stated that she will do whatever she can to prevent anyone touching capital gains.
what the fuck are you talking about
https://www.weeklystandard.com/tony-mecia/what-do-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-finances-tell-us

[Anonymous No.12457438]

>>12454487
MOMMY PRESIDENT

[Anonymous No.12457441]

>>12457431
>I don't know how elections in America work
It's okay, not many people do. What I cannot forgive is that you are actually believing a politicians propaganda; you bellow about the evil of Donald Trump and his hate machine then guzzle another's.

It's sad, really.

[Anonymous No.12457449]

>>12457441
show me where you got the information that Goldman Sachs was her largest campaign donor, and where she said she 'won't let anyone touch capital gains taxes'

[Anonymous No.12457502]

>>12457449
>>12457441
nothing, huh?
just bald-faced lying.

[Anonymous No.12457521]

>LOOK IM EATING PROCESSED GARBAGE IN A SHITHOLE JUST LIKE YOU HAHAH

Do people actually fall for this shit?

[Anonymous No.12457534]

>>12454487
>What are some good fiction works about being on the campaign trail?
Mein Kampf and the works of Goebbels, mainly his diaries

[Anonymous No.12457646]

>>12457329
Just do what I did and become a reactionary. Mass democracy has failed, the American experiment has not proved the hypothesis it set out to prove. Everything the Founding Fathers tried to prevent has come to pass, we were better off under the rule of landed aristocracy. Once you accept all these things you can switch your reaction to current events from disgust to amusement.

[Anonymous No.12457708]

>>12457646
But today's landed gentry would be what, finance bros? Shitbags like Betsy Devos? Trump himself? The complete disgust I'd feel at the idea of people like that getting to larp as "lords" would drive me to do everything in my power to kill them. The rich are already awful enough, giving them hereditary titles would only cement their mentality of being untouchable gods.
I'd rather let America run itself into the ground like this and just live in my own self-interest. 21st century politics is for shit-flinging chimps, except the tiny handful of manipulative demons in charge.

[Anonymous No.12457714]

>>12454495
It's not applicable here really, but I remember a remark in The Splendid Century: Life In The France Of Louis XIV which contextualized the bullshit pageantry and courtly ritualism of Versailles. Shit that seemed as absurd as high-school drama. The jist of it was Louis knew it was bullshit, but he cultivated and expanded and intensified it because doing so distracted all these nobles from petty warmongering or ruling their own fiefdoms like independent monarchs. The tedious fashions, etiquette and living near Versailles weakened these nobles that would otherwise cause problems for him.

However, I just realized that wasn't the main point and one relevant to your circus remark. Rather, Louis said something to the effect of the pomp and ceremony 'circus' was for the masses. They could not look into the nitty gritty bureaucracies and policymaking of governance and so such a theatrical gesture of strength and stability and grace would do more to convince the masses than if he was honest.

In other words, >>12454868 said it much better than I can. Politics always has a theatrical quality to it but ours has intensified the theatre.

[Anonymous No.12457742]

>>12457708
Yeah, I agree that giving the likes of Jeff Bezos a title is a bad idea. I'm not sure what the answer is. I just know that the whole reason the Constitution was written was to try and save us from all the problems we're experiencing now, and they all managed to happen anyway. I've lost faith in the last 300 years of Western history, it all wound up being for nothing.

[Anonymous No.12457756]

>>12457708

I disagree with that anon as that system experiences the same, even more vicious and rapid levels of corruption. It's more the inevitable entropy of humanity. Nothing lasts forever. You can see what landed aristocracies look like in other parts of the world and it's miserable. Military Juntas turn rotten and self-serving, fascistic strongmen with brilliant visions decay, communism fucking lol pretty much dies in the cradle, republicans decay into oligarchy or mob rule, you can have a string of brilliant philosopher kings (exceedingly rare for you to have more than two in a row) and then end up with an absolute retard that fucks it all up.

The best you can do is either struggle to fix the system and go down with the ship or support something new, fully understanding what you replace it with will decay in time. This isn't an advocacy of ennui, but an acceptance of your part to play in the act.

[Anonymous No.12457833]

>>12457646
>Mass democracy has failed
Ummmm sweetie almost every single western democratic country is as prosperous as it ever has been.

[Anonymous No.12457846]

>>12454511
Because it benefits the rulin class.
Those people aren’t really paying attention to wat the politicians are doing.
It’s purposely made confusing to distract and repell, while they all pretend to represent you/us.

As complex as their plots can get, it’s simply a show, a political football game, perpetuated by deep pockets

[Anonymous No.12457858]

>>12457646
There is no mass democracy
You cannot have proper democracy within a capitalist economy due to its corrupting nature.

>>12457833
“Country”? Some people. Less and less.
Neoliberal, please

[Anonymous No.12457863]

>>12455310
The original shitposter

[Anonymous No.12457866]

>>12455315
People really fucking hated that guy and I really don't know why.

[Anonymous No.12457878]

>>12457833
the UK and America are objectively less prosperous than they were in the early 20th century and France, Spain, Italy are going to experience economic collapses in the next few decades all while a fertility crisis creates a constantly uneven population pyramid that is the kindling necessary for total meltdown in all public institutions and destruction of the welfare state. nothing is alright or working well, GDP is the only thing that's growing with lifespan (and commensurate increases in disease burden and mental illness).

[Anonymous No.12457885]

>>12457866
Nearly an authoritarian socialist.
I read It Can’t Happen Here and the fascists who gets control of the US is based Long, but I don’t recall him being all that fascists

[Anonymous No.12457896]

>>12457866
Because he was the real deal so FDR and all the fake populists of the New Deal establishment were terrified and had to shut it down.

[Anonymous No.12457903]

>>12457885
>authoritarian socialist.
how does this work lel
'we will force you to be in control of society comrade'

[Anonymous No.12457905]

>>12457714
>Louis knew it was bullshit, but he cultivated and expanded and intensified it because doing so distracted all these nobles from petty warmongering or ruling their own fiefdoms like independent monarchs. The tedious fashions, etiquette and living near Versailles weakened these nobles that would otherwise cause problems for him.
The shogunate of Japan did the same thing to feudal lords to keep them from rebelling.

[Anonymous No.12457913]

>>12455179

[Anonymous No.12457921]

>>12457903
The same as
>ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer
where there is a magical ontological connection between the nebulous egregore of the People's Will and an executor who is the embodied zenith of the entire race and who guides them in a mechanized, extremely bureacratic system with incredible diffusion of energy in spite of the appearance of extreme unitary authority in the autarch. Its just as retarded and likely to be paradoxical and contradictory, amassing power and using propaganda specifically aimed at the proles and plebs and advertising one's undying allegiance to their whims usually means unpredictable, psychotic partitioning of responsibility and aleatory governance of the public and property owners. Its all stupid, and for stupid people. That's why Stalin and Hitler's writings are and always must be pseud shit.

[Anonymous No.12457924]

>>12457913
When are you going to upload a free version of BAS and your other books? It's not like you can sell them for money at this point with all of the platforms shutting you down.

[Anonymous No.12457959]

>>12457903
Just a modern good-king, a populist. The guy was both governor and senator of his state. And probably would have done similar shit if elected president

>>12457921
Agreed

[Anonymous No.12457968]

>>12454495
Nah, I love it. It's like sports but actually fun and consequential. When you dive into the autism of it all it becomes a thrilling story with twists and turns and bizarre but real and recognizable characters. It's basically the biggest and most expensive competition in human history. China's over here, Europe's over there, the Saudis are funding [x], Israel is doing [y]...

But honestly what I really love is arguing. It's fun to tell people that they're wrong and explain why you're right, it's fun to call them names and laugh when they fall, it's even fun to lose and get pissed off. Sure it's more or less a waste of time, but an extremely diverting one. There are plenty of stupider things you could have as a hobby like video games or coin collecting or posting on 4chan. This one makes you read and learn about countries and history and economics and culture. It forces you to think

[Anonymous No.12457975]

>>12454495
I only pay attention to politics as a form of escapism.

[Anonymous No.12458143]

>>12457975
What are you escaping from?

[Anonymous No.12458227]

>>12457866
Because he would have established himself as Emperor of America and Americans are spooked HARD when it comes to the idea of democracy.

[Anonymous No.12458500]

>>12457924
you've got a point there, fren. i'd like to finish the 3rd book and then see how i feel.
censorship is so goddamn tiresome.

[Anonymous No.12458569]

there's a cinema verite doc on kennedy on the campaign trail along with his opponent.

https://www.criterion.com/films/28907-the-kennedy-films-of-robert-drew-associates

extraordinarily boring. but if that's your thing, should check it out.

[Anonymous No.12458574]

2020 is shaping up to be the most cancerous election in American history. I wish I could be as detached as a European when watching this tragic spectacle unfold.

[Anonymous No.12458577]

>>12454487
All the King’s Men by Robert Penn Warren

[Anonymous No.12458593]

>>12455315
Other than being a populist that betrayed his principles and started selling out his constituents for business connections and contributions? It’s a pretty accurate take on Huey Long, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.12458597]

>>12458574
>2020
i can tell you how it's going to end.

[Anonymous No.12458626]

>>12458597
Just hurry up and have a civil war already.

[Anonymous No.12458707]

>>12455866
Try living next to them.
We need to team up with Mexico and squeeze them out into the middle of the pacific or something

[Anonymous No.12458724]

>>12458574
I’m plenty detached. I don’t like any of them, and I can tell you how any elected official is “cancerous”

>>12458597
His win was “slim” to say the least. He’s not grown anymore popular, despite the fake scandals.
We’ll swing marginally left for a while

>>12458626
Or major secessionist movements!

[Anonymous No.12458796]

>>12458724
State of Jefferson needs to happen in my lifetime.

[Anonymous No.12458873]

>>12458796
>I want more state senators for Californians
I would prefer a more pure secession

[Anonymous No.12458882]

>>12458724
A massive restructuring of North American would be such a thrill
>New York and Toronto city states
>Quebec reboots the Holy Roman Empire: The Return of Charlemagne
>Vancouver region annexed by China
>California goes to chill with Hawaii, Alaska can come too

[Anonymous No.12458954]

>>12458796
>Redneck pipe dreams of no longer being beholden to people in cities
That's not nearly as radical as you think. We'd still be stuck with the same disgusting sham calling itself political discourse but you'd end up electing slightly different soulless pandering machines like Ted "I'm a cowboy just like you! Pass my six-shooter, yeehaw!" Cruz. I'm disappointed that somebody on /lit/ thinks the /k/ secession fantasy of shooting libtards would solve anything.

[Anonymous No.12458961]

>>12458796
I want to move out of the cancerous bay area to far northern CA but I heard there are a bunch of insufferable pot farmers flooding the place now

Is this true

[Anonymous No.12458971]

>>12458961
>doesn’t like pot. Lives in California
Move

[Anonymous No.12458976]

>>12458971
it makes me paranoid

[Anonymous No.12459048]

>>12458976
Cops make me paranoid

Which reminds me. Don’t vote for Harris, she’s a cop

[Anonymous No.12459074]

>>12454537
You do realise travelling is literally part of your job as an elected official, right?

[Anonymous No.12459099]

>>12458574
Oh yeah, it's gonna be 1972 on steroids. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 has already been mentioned in this thread, and I strongly urge everyone in here to read it. I have a powerful suspicion we're going to relive it, with Trump in place of Nixon and one of the jokers on the Democratic side in place of McGovern.

I'm starting to get kind of worried about the long-term stability of the United States. I've begun to consider emigrating to Europe, but I don't want to leave my family behind. inb4 everybody brings up the migrant crisis in Europe. Even accounting for that they all seem to have their shit together a lot better than we do at the moment.

[Anonymous No.12459100]

I notice a lot of r9k and pol raids on this board that go unpunished. Or is that just the now-regular /lit/ crowd?

[Anonymous No.12459108]

>>12459100
Many of those threads probably do need to be deleted. I assume the mods left this thread up because

A) It actually does contain useful book recommendations
B) It's resulted in some reasonable and interesting discussion rather than just baiting and trolling

[Anonymous No.12459112]

>>12459099
France have been chimping out for months now, and Europe is right next to Africa and the Middle East, which are not going to get any better any time soon, and whose populations are still growing

im moving to the tundra of northern quebec fuck this shti

[Anonymous No.12459120]

>>12457521
Yes, unironically.

[Anonymous No.12459125]

>>12457878
Fuck it, I'm converting to Islam. They seem to be the only ethno-cultural group with some semblance of community and longevity present in the West.

[Anonymous No.12459126]

>>12459112
I guess if Salvini stays in power in Italy I could move there. I have Sicilian blood on my mother's side.

[Anonymous No.12459202]

>>12459099
it's a shitty book by a failing writer

>yeah I started that rumor that this candidate is on pills Xd

Man was a proto-bernie voter, his theatrics surrounding his self-importance as a journo for a shitty bureaucratic campaign that was doomed to fail is ridiculous; he had a Reagan-derangement syndrome and not once mentioned the shadow government, deep state or mil-ind complex because he loved his guns and demagogues.

[Anonymous No.12459315]

>>12458961
There is truth to this, it's the worst in Humboldt County but I've heard cartels and peckerwoods have colonized most of the rural north and even the Sierra foothills with illegal grows.

>>12458971
There's a huge difference between legal backyard growers and illegal grow ups manned by armed illegals and surrounded by booby traps. They aren't even comparable.

[Anonymous No.12459336]

>>12458873
>I would prefer a more pure secession
Such as?

[Anonymous No.12460271]

>>12454487
She's still got it!

[Anonymous No.12460320]

>>12457858
>unironically believing in the power of the pleb in the current year

[Anonymous No.12460382]

>>12459099
>with Trump in place of Nixon
Yeah, and hopefully it'll be a domination like that one was on Nixon's side.

>I've begun to consider emigrating to Europe
I've thought about that myself as I'm looking to start a family. Not because I believe the U.S. is "unstable" (not all states are California, New York, Florida, and Texas), but because I want my children to grow up somewhere where they're not vilified for their skin color and where I don't have to see constant waves of retarded brown and black skinned children draining resources while simultaneously decrying the foundations that made this country possible.

>>12459100
>I notice a lot of r9k and pol raids on this board that go unpunished. Or is that just the now-regular /lit/ crowd?

I've been coming to /lit since 2011 and other forums on the site even earlier. /b/ begat /pol/ and the spirit of /b/ has always been the nourishing power sustaining this website. Noob posters tell others to "go back to /pol/" but /pol/ is the transformation of /b/ and /b/ is 4chan and always has been. There are plenty of nice places for people who have taken to heart the brainwashing of their alma maters. No reason to hang out here if you're one of them.

[Anonymous No.12460436]

>>12460382
You seem to misunderstand the function of then-/b/, which was a buffer for incoming children and a sequestered area for shitposts. It was the first board people came to when they heard about the site, and it acted as a baptism by fire. You lurked to learn the culture, what to expect when you posted things, and how things like greentext and noko and sage and wordfilters worked. Eventually you learned about new boards, ventured out, and went to /b/ less and less until you outgrew it entirely.
/pol/ is similarly the first place people end up because it has /b/'s old reputation for shenanigans, but rather than beating newfags into shape so they can learn how the culture works, it exploded so fast in 2016 that it (and by it I mean niggers like you) declared itself the new culture. /pol/ is full of retarded manchildren and actual, literal boomers that act like anyone disagreeing with their homogeist is a redditor when the majority of them showed up in the last three years fleeing from that very place.

[Anonymous No.12460459]

>>12454495
I pay very close attention to filipino politics, because I am not filipino and I can therefore be entertained by its twists, turns, sudden betrayals, and its general wackiness.
Remember: it's only "isanity-inducing" if you consider yourself to have a stake in it.

[Anonymous No.12460544]

>>12454496
Up, Simba

[Anonymous No.12460638]

>>12460459
>I pay very close attention to filipino politics
That sounds entertaining, what sources do you use to follow this topic?

[Anonymous No.12460687]

>>12454487
She's trying so hard to be a "yas queen" it's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12460697]

>>12460638
GMA and ABS-CBN, they're the 2 big news orgs and tend to compete with each other. There's nothing worthwhile rn, the coming house elections involve too many characters, but come a corruption scandal or a presidental election and then you end up with proper publicly aired political intrigue.
I'll also admit it was Ilustrados by Miguel Syjuco that got me interested in the topic.

[Anonymous No.12460729]

>>12457968
Oh I see you are a politics aficionado, maybe even a connoisseur. I bet you have a great time watching Ben Shapiro owning some inferior beings with his supreme intellect and capability for debate.

[Anonymous No.12461178]

>>12460382
wow, even earlier than 2011!?

[Anonymous No.12461265]

>>12460729
Yes, I am probably smarter than you. This is not necessarily your fault as my IQ is in the top 1% of all test-takers, but it is something you should be aware of before proceeding any further with this conversation

[Anonymous No.12462038]

>>12454487
Mommy...

[Anonymous No.12462091]

Believe it or not, non fiction is for brainlets.

[Anonymous No.12462118]

>>12454487
Not fiction, but Wallace's essay on McCain was really insightful and enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.12462567]

>>12457742
>the whole reason the Constitution was written was to try and save us from all the problems we're experiencing now
You fell for propaganda. The Constitution was written to put a minority of rich white people in charge of vast resources and violently force everyone else into a mediocre existence as serfs to capitalist "lords". That's exactly what happened. If the Constitution was written for any other purpose (say, empowering the masses) we wouldn't be in this situation.

[Anonymous No.12463061]

>>12454495
then it's working

[Anonymous No.12463303]

>>12462567
woke

[Anonymous No.12463726]

Pic related is a female democrat in the year of our lord 2019.

[Anonymous No.12463737]

>>12462567
>a minority of rich white people in charge of vast resources and violently force everyone else into a mediocre existence as serfs to capitalist "lords"
extremely based