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12444615 No.12444615 [Reply] [Original]

>start with the greeks
>*yawn*
>get bored as helI and feel like plato is a fucking moron and feel like i am learning shit
>skip to the good shit (nietzsche, schops, spinoza, novalis, montaigne, heidegger, whitehead, chink philosophy, 20th century french theory, etc)
>feel like i am actually learning and enriching my mind and am having fun doing so
is "start with the greeks" a meme?

>> No.12444659
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>>12444615
It's a meme in the better sense of the word, but Plato or philosophy isn't what we always mean. We're talking about the literature and culture of the place/time. The mythology, Hesiod and Homer, the Greek playwrights, the historians, art and architecture.

>> No.12444670

>>12444659
What about those of use who aren't philologists and don't have a life long hard on for Greek poesy?

>> No.12444684

In terms of beginning philosophy with the Greeks you are right, it is a complete meme, an unfunny one at that. Start with Descartes and Kant then jump forward to Frege or Husserl.

>> No.12444689

it's a meme. start with Kant instead. from there you can work backward (Descartes, Hume, Spinoza, Aristotle, Plato, Parmenides) or forward (Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, [insert all the 20th century shit here])

>> No.12444690

>>12444615
The point of the meme is that later philosophy builds upon the earlier ideas. Just randomly jumping into Adorno or whatnot will leave you confused.

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>>12444615
>whitehead
subtle bait

>> No.12444758

>>12444615
Is it ok that I spent the majority of Plato’s Republic being angry at Socrates for his utter stupidity? I felt that the guy he was arguing against was more valid, despite being for kindness to others and against Rand etc.

>> No.12444761

>>12444659
Do you just post to show everyone how retarded you are?

>> No.12444771

>>12444761
based

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12444903

>>12444615
Start with the Ass.

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>>12444690
lol, imagine believing this.
The average retard here doesn't even get Zizek, how the fuck would they understand the Greeks?

>> No.12444929

>>12444615
No, if you don’t understand how each new philosophy is building onto previous philosophy you don’t understand it. Start with the Greeks is the only good lit meme and you will always be a retarded brainlet if you haven’t read almost all of Plato and Aristotle at least twice

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>>12444929
>building

>> No.12445653

>>12444659
faggot

>> No.12446037

>>12444670
Well fergetchu.
Go enjoy something more pop.
Do.

>>12444684
>Start with other wrong people, jump to unknowns
Mkay

>>12444758
I would expect so.

>>12444761
Some people post with the name and are acting intentionally stupid. But there's nothing wrong with what I just said above. Start with the Greeks does not refer to just their fucking philosophers.

>>12444948
>De-bro
what the f¿

>> No.12446056

clearly you skipped birth of tragedy ie youre a fucking pleb

>> No.12446057

>>12444615
>Spinoza
>more interesting than Plato
Bull fucking shit, if you couldn’t get through the complete works of Plato, there’s no way you’d be able to understand even a chapter of Spinoza