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[Anonymous No.12438020]

Why are certain public figures so deliberately misinformative about postmodern philosophy? Is it for the purpose of ideological promotion and/or capital gain? Is it simply a matter of the speaker not knowing, therefore an accident?

pic obviously related, as Foucault is often misleadingly lumped in with other pomo philosophers, as if they were a single entity or movement, when in fact Foucault came into great conflicts with Derrida and Baudrillard.

[Anonymous No.12438024]

>>12438020
We don't talk Foucault here

[Anonymous No.12438067]

>>12438020
The really absurd situation we have today is that people have a habit of conflating critiques of postmodernity with the postmodern itself. People like Baudrillard and Jameson weren’t post-modernists because they critiqued post-modernity as a condition of capitalism, rather than using it as their own intellectual programme. Every time someone like Peterson accuses post-modernity of being all about the destruction of western culture, he’s essentially just making a Freudian slip

[Anonymous No.12438071]

>>12438020
>the speaker not knowing
yes. it is ignorance. some american universities like the one that housed my slut ex-gf teach post-structuralism alongside semiotics alongside feminism alongside deconstruction et. al., all under the banner of postmodernism. what distinguishes these fields is conveniently swept aside because they all vaguely support a naive, feeble liberalism that normies love to engender. don't get me wrong though. the people attacking that liberalism have equally illiterate and agenda-driven conceptions of the topics at hand.

[Anonymous No.12438096]

>Why are certain public figures so deliberately misinformative about postmodern philosophy?
Because they adapt the tactics of the enemy. Think: "It's my unique interpretation, stop oppressing me with your 'facts' and 'search for truth'", but minus the: "And read Vattimo."

[Anonymous No.12438133]

>>12438071
That's a good, if chilling example. Another comes from a professor I have this semester, who had the gall to say that identity politics is a product of the "postmodern era"

[Anonymous No.12438151]

>>12438020
The only people who do this are Peterson cultists who no one takes seriously anyway.

[Anonymous No.12438170]

>>12438133
as opposed to

[Anonymous No.12438178]

>>12438020
Why is an academic wearing a suit? What kind of shitty business school did he teach at?

[Anonymous No.12438184]

>>12438170
I mean, I think history shows that the politicization of things like race/gender are far older than what we would call "postmodernity." For example, in America, the 3/5ths Compromise, the rhetoric of slavery, etc. are all very old examples of what we would now call identity politics.

[Anonymous No.12438188]

>>12438020
>reifying postmodern philosophy
There's your problem

[Anonymous No.12438196]

>>12438020
I read some of his books they were nice

We can't stop these public figures, they might be stupid or they might be greedy(I don't think there's a more profound answer behind it, college leftists like to talk about these Frenchmen and so they are attacked), but it really doesn't matter, never trust an opinion about something you haven't read.

[Anonymous No.12438203]

Which kind of public figures? If you're talking about the JBP types, then I don't think the problem is just with post modernism. Pseudo intellectuals seem to have a really hard time defining very basic philosophies.

I mean, if you read up on their definition of stoicism or Nietzsche's philosophy, for example, you'll see that they're mostly dead wrong about those too. It's just not as obvious because they're not as critical of it.

[Anonymous No.12438219]

>>12438178
dude, please stop lowering the always-already abyssal quality of this board

[Anonymous No.12438222]

>>12438219
>dude
thank you bro, upvoted

[Anonymous No.12438224]

>>12438133
Arguably that’s true though, the postmodern notion of history is essentially an argument about power struggles and why certain narratives take prominence over others. Identity politics is directly influenced from that idea, which is why so many groups are striving to have their voices heard, to ensure their narrative isn’t the one that gets buried and forgotten. Obviously instances of identity politics existed before post-modernity but what distinguishes the new movements is precisely that postmodern skepticism torwards any historical narrative, whether that be “social progress”, “empire”, etc.

[Anonymous No.12438244]

>>12438224
Maybe from some people who are considered postmodernists. But to me, that sounds like a metanarrative, and metanarratives as a whole are rejected by Jean-Francois Lyotard's Post Modern Condition
>why certain narratives take prominence over others
That sounds slightly more like Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci than any PoMo philosopher I know of.

[Anonymous No.12438248]

>>12438219
dude, if you've ever like been in, like academia man, you'd know that it's not an irrelevant question. Fashion reveals psyche.

[Anonymous No.12438262]

They couldn't get away with it if philosophers were capable of explaining postmodern philosophy In a way that doesn't sound completely fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.12438276]

>>12438248
and fashion changes, so it's useless to to compare pieces and psyches transhistorically. suits in the 1960s university are no more indicative of business than fedoras in the 1920s are indicative of mental illness

[Anonymous No.12438282]

>>12438276
kek'd

[Anonymous No.12438287]

>>12438248
The argument that anyone wearing a suit must be a hypocrite is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.12438317]

>>12438020
They (the Saturnian Cabal of ((Thelsa)) Doom) don't like their simulated control paradigm being deconstructed. Any pomo philosopher questioning this realities' power structure will face resistance from every angle from useful idiots, or be belligerently misrepresented by the elite's "intellectual" automatons. Pomo philosophy breaks down the mantoid hivemind programming to it's basic essentials and exposes it's weakness.

[Anonymous No.12438325]

>>12438317
>(the Saturnian Cabal of ((Thelsa)) Doom)
Do you mean the liberal-capitalist establishment or something far more grim?

[Anonymous No.12438338]

>>12438325
The root of liberalism, capitalism, communism, and the fractal-reserve banking system that operates them originate in ancient Mesopotamia. Yes, it is far more grim that can be fathomed by most.

[Anonymous No.12438343]

>>12438338
Please don't be that one guy I knew who believed in QAnon and claimed to have been abducted by ayylmaos as a child

[Anonymous No.12438362]

>>12438343
Wasn't Qanon a defender of the president? I know his Qweb was fairly legitimate, but it was nothing new. Anyone having read the original Matrix series or Jan van Helsing will already have known that information.

[Anonymous No.12438371]

>>12438362
>Wasn't Qanon a defender of the president
not to drift too far off-topic but yes, he was essentially a presidential white-knight

[Anonymous No.12438374]

>>12438020

You basically got it with the "ideological promotion" bit.

[Anonymous No.12438388]

>>12438371
Yeah, it's a common tactic for disinformers. Info-bomb with mostly-truths while incorporating bits of the control agenda to program potential truth-seekers.

[Anonymous No.12438389]

>>12438287
They're not hypocrites, but in the modern world wearing a suit in academia means you're stupid enough to have to resort to "professionality" rather than pure talent to survive, especially in STEM

[Anonymous No.12438401]

>>12438389
Some people just like to wear suits. It's not important within the context of this conversation.

[Anonymous No.12438415]

>>12438020
>Foucault came into great conflicts with Derrida and Baudrillard.
Books and articles for this as well ad books that point out the differences in their philosophies?

[Anonymous No.12438418]

FUCK Foucault, bloody post modern neo Marxist liberal fascist.

[Anonymous No.12438432]

>>12438418
This post appears to be an automated spambot.

[Anonymous No.12438435]

>>12438244
identity politics isn't metanarrative in the slightest. it's literally postmodern essentialism.

[Anonymous No.12438443]

>>12438435
>postmodern
>essentialism

[Anonymous No.12438445]

>>12438415
Baudrillard has a book called Forget Foucault, and one of Derrida's first prominent texts was a critique of Foucault's Madness and Civilization, which frustrated Foucault to the point of them never reconciling.

[Anonymous No.12438461]

Peterson is CIA

[Anonymous No.12438482]

>>12438415
Foucault's Madness and Civilization -> Derrida's "Cogito and the History of Madness" -> Foucault's "My Body, This Paper, This Fire"
Baudrillard's Forget Foucault

[Anonymous No.12438572]

>>12438244
How is identity politics itself a metanarrative? My point was that intersectional thought is the result of this post-modern conflict of narratives, and the rejection of the idea that there is one objective framework through which we can understand the movement of history.

[Anonymous No.12439798]

>>12438443
spectrum-essence is still an essence

[Anonymous No.12440026]

>>12438020
Every side is ignorant to a side that is not theirs.

You have to be absolutely retarded to think anybody in opposition of a side understands the the sides they criticize to the greatest degree. Or, at least, a degree that would be respectable to those within the side being criticized.