Is crying un-stoic?

[Anonymous No.12434605]

Or is it useless to resist against a reflex?

[Anonymous No.12434615]

stoicism is un-stoic, pass it on

[Anonymous No.12434617]

>>12434605
Crying is a reflex that results from emotions. Having such extreme feelings so as to involuntarily start crying is unstoic.

[Anonymous No.12434622]

>>12434605
>reflex

This is your frail, corruptible body controlling your glorious rational mind-soul

[Anonymous No.12434633]

>>12434605
I only cry when I'm happy.

[Anonymous No.12434952]

>>12434617
What is this gay ass philosophy? The only thing that matters is doing what you want (includes crying)

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12434967]

>>12434617
Fuck that. The act of crying is soothing

[Anonymous No.12435006]

crying sets the mood so do it sparingly

[Anonymous No.12435022]

asking if something is stoic is not stoic

crying as a form of catharsis could be stoic. crying in front of others or because you have absolutely no control whatsoever is not


thinking about whether something is stoic is so god damn gay

[Anonymous No.12435062]

Why would you want to be stoic? Unless you're a third worlder or something, there's no reason not to be an epicurean instead.

[Anonymous No.12435236]

Crying makes my face and head hurt.

[Anonymous No.12436586]

Stoicism isn't about not crying, it's about recognising when emotions impact on your life in negative ways and taking steps to prevent them from having such power over you.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12436589]

>>12436586
wrong

[Anonymous No.12436596]

>>12435062
Because nigga empathy can deplete your life source

[Anonymous No.12436617]

>>12434605
>mfw had to put my dog down
>cried for the first time in at least a decade

[Anonymous No.12436625]

I haven't cried since I was 12 years old when my mother told me I couldn't cry anymore since I was no longer a boy.

[Anonymous No.12436642]

>>12434967
>Soothing is pleasurable
>Pleasurable soothing is emotional
>Emotions are un-stoic
Stop having emotions

[Anonymous No.12436698]

I cry all the time when i consume something emotionally impactful, usually not something sad, but something beautiful.
You're honestly a cuck if you have denied yourself the range of emotions i enjoy.

[Anonymous No.12436703]

>>12436625
Your mother is based.

[Anonymous No.12436711]

I dunno. Crying is cathartic though, and I wish I could still do it.

I haven't cried in half a decade.

[Anonymous No.12436818]

>>12436625
pro-tip: If your a man and some life force which meant something to you, person or dream, you can cry.
This castration on male emotions is unironically a spook and it's the only thing I think feminists have gotten right about men.
Crying irrationally is like they say about porn, you know it when you see it.

[Anonymous No.12436918]

>>12436818
Based^2 and scarletpilled

[Anonymous No.12436921]

>>12434605
crying is objectively unstoic, yes
stoics control their goddamn emotions

[Anonymous No.12436954]

>>12436818
Romanticism has never died and feminists have nothing new to add to an age old discussion.

[Anonymous No.12437219]

I cried a lot up to middle school to the point where I was teased for it
Because of that I evolved some kind of strong resistance against this reflex because I genuinely cannot cry anymore.

[Anonymous No.12437261]

Crying is brought about by emotional hyper-arousal, of course it's not Stoic.

[Anonymous No.12437288]

I usually shed tears in my bed just before I fall asleep, usually these "episodes" last 1 minute or so and I feel instantly better. I don't sob or make any noise. Just tears running from my eyes.

[Anonymous No.12437301]

>>12436617
He was a good dog, and he does not suffer anymore. You'll play catch with him again soon enough man. Try to enjoy your weekend.

[Anonymous No.12437302]

>tfw very emotional and a hopeless romantic inwardly, but cold and stoic outwardly

I'm constantly afraid that people will misunderstand who I really am. Is there any way I can showcase more of my inner emotions without looking pathetic?

[Anonymous No.12437317]

>>12437302
>Is there any way I can showcase more of my inner emotions
>showcase my inner emotions
No, showcasing and expressing emotions is un-stoic.

Be a fucking man bitch

[Anonymous No.12437322]

When was the last time you cried /lit/? It was 2014 for me.

[Anonymous No.12437331]

>>12437322
2012 or 2013, I think.

I wish I could cry.

[Anonymous No.12437335]

>>12437317
I'm getting sick and tired of "being a man".

I'm worried that my abrupt outward nature is pushing people away from me and isolating me from the rest of the world.

I have my emotions completely under control, but the problem is I fear that I've gone too far, to the point where it's stifling my inner self. Inside, I'm human, but outside I'm a robot and that's what I want to change.

[Anonymous No.12437341]

>>12437322
Few weeks ago when I was drunk and some girl in this club started telling me about her rape.

[Anonymous No.12437353]

>>12437322
December 19th 2015, I was on the brink of suicide
I got better though, and not cried since

[Anonymous No.12437365]

>>12436625
What does being a trap has to do with crying?

[Anonymous No.12437412]

>>12437365
Hahahah hahahahhahah hahahaahhaahhaha hahaha hahahahahbhah hahahah hah haha hahaha it's funny because you said trap

[Anonymous No.12437470]

>>12436818
>you can cry about this one arbitrary thing but not about this other arbitrary thing
>this thing that feminists are in actual reality trying to do is a spook
lmfao

[Anonymous No.12437474]

>>12437335
GTFO out of the stoics thread you fucking pussy

[Anonymous No.12437475]

Why can't I cry? Sometimes I want to, but the tears will not come.

[Anonymous No.12437486]

>internet stoics
this meme is atrocious

[Anonymous No.12437510]

>>12434605
No there's nothing more pathetic than a person trying in vain to hold up a shitty paper mask of stoicism as it's clearly slipping off in front of everyone. Be a fucking adult and have some self awareness about your emotions rather than running from them

[Anonymous No.12437516]

>>12437322
2016 I think, when my best friend’s grandpa died. Their family was always like a second home for me, and I knew him better than my own family who’s always been somewhat estranged. He was a tough as nails Marine in the 50s, then a devout but humble Catholic with a big family who always treated me like I was one of their own. Cried like a bitch when he finally passed from stomach cancer.

[Anonymous No.12437519]

>>12437510
this, based and /thread

[Anonymous No.12437531]

>>12437331
>Grandfather's funeral
>He basically parented me
>For some reason I wasn't cry
>I felt there's no need to show/feel any emotion because now I have no one left to care
>Sad and depressed for the rest of my entire life

[Anonymous No.12437602]

>>12437516
>Catholic

Ironic, that his God was unable to save him from cancer.

[Anonymous No.12437640]

>>12437322
couple of weeks ago when i read kafka's letter to his father

[Anonymous No.12437644]

Crying while remaining rational is stoic.

[Anonymous No.12437668]

>>12437322
>nearly cried while watching Legend of Galactic Heroes when Yang and Kircheis die last year
>nearly cried while watching a korean film about the korean war
haven't genuinely shed a tear in half a decade it seems, which is a shame because crying is aesthetic, but tears must be truly earned or they are meaningless

[Anonymous No.12437692]

>>12437322
yesterday

[Anonymous No.12437695]

It is not crying that is "unstoic". Having the emotions that led to crying is what is not Stoic.
The Stoic is not the guy who is sad but won't cry, but the guy who is not sad at all.

[Anonymous No.12437734]

>>12434605
crying is fine as long as its for non-material reasons that aren't trivial, and you aren't crying for sympathy, just out of an outburst of emotion. Crying is very manly but only if you're not a faggot otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12437750]

>>12437317
what the fuck is this bullshit. It's top tier cope. The only reason s0ib0ys say shit like this is because having no emotions is the closes thing they can get to being men nowadays while being PC. Expressing masculine emotion is forbidden.

[Anonymous No.12437764]

>>12437695
That sounds awful. What's the point of living at all if you don't experience strong emotion? Might as well be born a chinaman

[Anonymous No.12437768]

>>12437750
Read Meditations

[Anonymous No.12437775]

>>12437322
Haven't cried in a decade desu. I just feel numb this point.

[Anonymous No.12437778]

>>12434605
Stoicism is about recognizing what is in your power and what is outside of your power, being aware that inevitable things will happen and all possible ways things can go wrong are actually to be expected to go wrong. It is fundamentally about fixing ones expectations and priorities so they are in line with reality.
Naturally that will lead to you being less upset when bad things happen, because you will most likely have already have expected them to happen and you will have prepared for that eventuality as far as appropriate. But if it still makes you sad and you cry about it, that isn't really stoic or un-stoic. Stoicism isn't about being a Star Trek Vulcan without emotions.

For instance I am aware everyone I know will die eventually (including myself) and it might happen now, in five minutes, tomorrow or in few years. I am prepared for that eventuality. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be sad if it happens. Maybe I would cry. But I wouldn't break down and become an emotional mess because my world view was shattered. That would be un-stoic. Crying isn't un-stoic. Being so emotionally unstable that something so mundane as death makes you break down, that is un-stoic.

[Anonymous No.12437784]

>>12437768
>be Aurelius
>everyone reads your diary desu in the future and thinks you were a cool stoic emperor bro
>in reality you were a literal cuck who fell for the hereditary succession meme, dooming the Roman Empire to the disastrous reign of your crazy despot son instead of choosing a capable officer of yours or letting the senate decide on a successor

[Anonymous No.12437789]

>>12434605
I want to give that guy a hug.

[Anonymous No.12437790]

>>12437668
what is going on in the picture?

[Anonymous No.12437798]

>>12437778
this

[Anonymous No.12437800]

>>12437322
2002. I don't look down upon it in most situations, I'm just not a person who feels the need to cry.

[Anonymous No.12437803]

>>12437784
why should he blamed for the actions of his son?they were beyond his control

[Anonymous No.12437805]

>>12437784
That's not what happened. Didn't you watch Gladiator?

[Anonymous No.12437813]

>>12437322
month ago when I got reminded that how much of a loser I am

[Anonymous No.12437829]

>>12437805

Good point. I got into a debate with some dude who told me that Xerxes wasn't really an 8' tall hermaphrodite so I just told that fag to watch 300.

[Anonymous No.12437839]

>>12437803
He could have not designated him his successor or raised him to Caesar as a youth, Aurelius was just a sentimental faggot

[Anonymous No.12437882]

>>12437784
>>12437839
Commodus was quite promising until he became sole emperor. He had the best education, he visited the troops and was present at Aurelius victory over the Marcomanni. He was declared a man when the governor or Syria tried to start a rebellion, which kind of implies he was supposed have an active roll in the campaign against the usurper. He held many public offices even at a young age. He was already 18 when he became emperor, so he wasn't a 15 year old retard. It's hard to say why he was such a fuck-up as an emperor. He had everything going for him.

[Anonymous No.12437883]

>>12437829
all iranians are hermaphrodites tho, just watch shahs of sunset

[Anonymous No.12437896]

>>12437882
Gibbon explains it well, as soon as the old cadre of Aurelius died and Commodus lost all the advisers keeping him on a leash he was free to all the excess he displayed
He was just a dumb talentless impressionable spoiled child, he was never promising

[Anonymous No.12437909]

>>12437829
>Immortal wife
What?

[Anonymous No.12437919]

>>12437784
>in reality you were a literal cuck
Is this real? /lit/ always says this, but I need proof. Post the text where he says that he was a cuck?

[Anonymous No.12437921]

>>12434605
You ever cry by reflex? What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.12437957]

>>12437921
Hmmm yes I do declare this to be sad. Let the tears commence.

[Anonymous No.12438022]

>>12437919
If his wife slept around then he wasn't aware of it, at least judging by his writings (which he only wrote for himself). He described her as devoted and faithful.
She bore Aurelius 13 children, which were said to look like Aurelius. But the legitimacy of that claim is obviously hard to corroborate.
She traveled around with him, even to dangerous places. So it would be kind of odd that she had time and opportunity to fuck around so much.

She was politically active and made some enemies who would probably like to talk some shit about her after her death. Including Aurelius former mentor Herodes Atticus, a famous orator and sophist. The guy had quite some swing in the literary circles and had many pupils.

Also people loved Aurelius and hated Commodus, so it is easy to give her the fault for Commodus being such a shithead.
Some of the stories told about her are absolutely bonkers. Like she supposedly had an affair with a gladiator who was the real father of Commodus. Aurelius then supposedly killed the gladiator and made her bath in his blood before having sex with her.

In the end it is really hard to say what is true or not. I am doubtful though. If there was truth to it then it was greatly exaggerated and mystified over time.

[Anonymous No.12438131]

>>12434967
Feel free to cry while you're slobbing my knob.

[Anonymous No.12438139]

>>12438131
>cry while you're slobbing my knob
literally me

[Anonymous No.12438143]

>>12438131
ironically the type of men who supress emotions are more likely to suck dick since they have no qualms about disgracing themselves to gain power through manipulation

[Anonymous No.12438172]

>>12437470
It really comes down to this:
>femenists/ess-jay-double-ewws: you can express sadness and frustration but not anger
>anglo-right wing: you can express anger and avarice but not sadness and frustration
Being a man is about expressing both at the same time

[Anonymous No.12438175]

>>12435062
stoicism is the perfect philosophy for the emotionally stunted modern macho man who is always wondering why he's so alone in this chaotic world, i.e. half a /lit/

[Anonymous No.12438186]

>>12438172
Except anger is an anti-stoic quality.

Even crying is more stoic, as crying is justifiable as long as you don't lose your ability to be rational.

[Anonymous No.12438189]

>>12438022
>If his wife slept around then he wasn't aware of it
Anon from previous thread said something about some voices speaking to Aurelius about his wife's infidelity and warning him about how his son would not be his and Aurelius says that he loves his wife so it doesn't matter. So, all of this is false?

[Anonymous No.12438195]

>>12438186
rationality is just a tool for action. It doesn't mean anything without emotion to guide it. You should be able to be rational when needed to accomplish something, but deciding on what to accomplish requires a strong understanding of your own emotions.

[Anonymous No.12438227]

>>12434605
Only as of not understanding their worldview. From stoic perspective crying is not happening because if you are crying you are ignoring the important aspect of the Logos and rebelling against how things are in rational sense. They are not against emotions but show you that if you let them impact you this way you are misunderstanding the why because if you knew how things really are you wouldnt be crying in the first place. Crying and the likes happen if you want the world to conform to something it cant be because it is not its nature. Stoicism is ideal, they have the stoic sage which cant be reached so you strive to be like that ideal. It is a life long process of constant reminding and molding yourself, persisting. Stoic would reply to your question that it depends and it is of no importance. What is important is a different kind of focus, the focus on the logos and the things that are in your control, what they see as natural. Not crying will result from stoic training and accepting it as an ideal you want to follow.

[Anonymous No.12438288]

>>12438227
Some people choose to cry because it feels good. While crying is an emotional outpouring, it's not technically a loss of control if one actively chooses to lose control in that moment.

[Anonymous No.12438295]

>>12438189
Most of these claims are based on a book called Historia Augusta, which was written many years after the fact (researchers assume late 4th century/early 5th century) and is generally regarded as poorly and hastily put together. The author included rumors and questionable sources. The author used several pen names so he could claim that he was publishing a collection of books, rather than just his own research. It's not really a reputable source for anything in my opinion.

Like I said it is all based on questionable sources. We can't really tell how much is there to the claim. We don't have many historical records from that time. Maybe his wife was participating in adultery, maybe not. To me it sounds like baseless slander and rumors. But that is just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.12438315]

>>12438175
> modern macho man
> /lit/

LoL, try modern fat incel

[Anonymous No.12438335]

>>12438315
I'm a macho man incel

[Anonymous No.12438357]

you cry for things you certainly cannot change.

[Anonymous No.12438363]

>>12438022
>>12438295
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.12438375]

>>12438227
>the world is a fixed place
>you must conform to rationality
cuck. Even science itself is formed by the will of individual people.

[Anonymous No.12438396]

>>12434605
why is everyone trying so hard to be stoic? just be depressed and mask your emotions around others like a normal person. at least that type of person is fun to be around instead of being in the same apathetic state consistently.