/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12407077]

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

[Anonymous No.12407114]

Why is he calling rand an orc?

[Anonymous No.12407128]

>>12407077
It's funny how he's completely wrong on both books; both with the bait and with the switch.

[Anonymous No.12407145]

how very clever

[Anonymous No.12407191]

>>12407128
Are you... seriously defending Rand?

[Anonymous No.12407208]

>>12407077
Why do people keep on going with this joke formula? It's getting stale

[Anonymous No.12407309]

>>12407128
Lord of the Rings does involve orcs

[Anonymous No.12407495]

>>12407208
Or you just don't like it when it hits too close to home.

[Anonymous No.12407547]

>>12407191
Are you... seriously redditposting?

[Anonymous No.12407559]

>>12407309
>>both the bait and switch
>>12407191
I'm defendíng the literary value of her book since she went trough the trouble of formalizing a whole new philosophy of aestetic before writing it and Then followed it to a tee.
If you can't read a book and exercise some critical detachement, You have a problem.

[Anonymous No.12407568]

>>12407077
lol what percentage of 14yos are reading Atlas Shrugged?

[Anonymous No.12407575]

>>12407568
The implication is that only a fourteen year old would be able to find trash like Atlas Shrugged to be profound.

[Anonymous No.12407576]

>>12407309
I thought orcs were an oceanic creature, and lotr doesn't take place on the ocean.

[Anonymous No.12407584]

>>12407559
Rand was a massive hypocrite.
http://www.openculture.com/2016/12/when-ayn-rand-collected-social-security-medicare.html

[Anonymous No.12407585]

>>12407559
Based

[Anonymous No.12407595]

>>12407585
Ooh, two seconds too late. Bet you feel like an idiot now.

[Anonymous No.12407598]

>>12407584
She was collecting her stolen money (taxes).

[Anonymous No.12407611]

>>12407584
>If You can't exercise critical detachement You have a problem
>lol look at me not exercising critical detachment lol I'm so based and redpilled!
Anon, I'm so sorry, But...

[Anonymous No.12407618]

>>12407559
The only problem with the bait and switch is its not exactly clear which novel he's talking about at first. LOTR and AS are equally childish

[Anonymous No.12407621]

>>12407611
>random capitalizations and memes
Russian detected. Also explains why you're defending Rand, she's one of yours.

[Anonymous No.12407636]

>>12407618
That's not the problem, that's the whole point. Pseuds see LotR as childish and Atlas Shrugged as profound so they think "Ah, he must be talking about LotR." Then he says "The other one involves orcs" which exclusively refers to LotR and it suddenly becomes clear that he just thoroughly eviscerated Atlas Shrugged.

[Anonymous No.12407640]

>>12407598
she collected a lot more than she put in. she was basically a neet golddigger

[Anonymous No.12407650]

>>12407640
nICce spôoks;

[Anonymous No.12407656]

>>12407559
>formalizing a whole new philosophy of aestetic before writing it and Then followed it to a tee.
I could do the same thing with my loli slashfic, but nobody would take me seriously, just like nobody takes Rand seriously.
>Axiom: great literature is that which features underage anime girls exploring their sexuality
>behold, a masterpiece of literature

[Anonymous No.12407669]

>>12407656
I'd defend that by shitposting on /lit/!

[Anonymous No.12407680]

>>12407584
>>12407640
wow a jew ripping off the taxpayers? how could this happen

[Anonymous No.12407700]

>>12407680
A Russian Jew, worshipped by Republicans such as Rand Paul and Paul Ryan. It's important to say this every time.

I mean, I guess it's not very surprising that Republicans would be a fan of someone who rips off taxpayers.

[Anonymous No.12407707]

>>12407656
If you took it seriously enought, you'd know why You're making a false equivalence.
>>12407621
I'm Italian, I live in Spain, I've never been in Russia in my life, and you're a brainlet cultist forever in search of an "Enemy" that will retroactively justify all your bullshit and whose imaginary defeat will make you say "Yes! I was so RIGHT accusing everyone that disagreed with me on the smallest detail of being a Russian Bot/ Nazi/ Badthinker! Now Big Brother will surely accept me in the inner party!"
And then You'll find yourself in room 101 for not having genuflected enought in front of a Based Tranny Pedophile, thus failing gravely in checking your privilege.
You will remember me then.
You will imagine my laughing face.

[Anonymous No.12408286]

>>12407707
The irony of you calling anyone a cultist is quite amusing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe your claim about your nationality, but that just makes your perception of America all the more hilarious. And by the way, you guys are responsible for Mussolini. So, glass houses, pal.

[Anonymous No.12408341]

>>12408286
What's are you even going on about at This point? I'm defendíng a book on literary and stylistic merit, you attack it on ideológical ground, and I'M the cultist?
What even IS this about mussolini now ? Are you just playing free associations trying to "score" "points" against your "enemy"?
Go search a good psych and tell him he's a rich man, retard.

[Anonymous No.12408353]

>>12408341
Atlas Shrugged has no literary or stylistic merit, Mario.

[Anonymous No.12408404]

>>12408353
The chick made her own philosophy of aestetic. Come back when you can do that, Tyrone Cousinfucker.

[Anonymous No.12408415]

>>12408404
So did this guy:
>>12407656
And his makes more sense

[Anonymous No.12408432]

>>12408415
No he didn't. He shitposted.
You know that, I know that, we all know that. Get real or go home.

[Anonymous No.12408442]

>>12408286
Mussolini was based and redpilled and his only important failings were (a) having a shitty military that couldn't do anything right and (b) being soft on gli ebrei.

The glory of Rome is eternal and fuck jannies.

[Anonymous No.12408452]

>>12408442
C) allying with That Austrian Retard.

[Anonymous No.12408461]

>>12408432
Yes, but you demonstrate the one valid criticism of randy bois--with all that [sic] aestetic, they've got no sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.12408484]

>>12407584
This has been discussed to death. She wasn't. Just because she would have rather not pay taxes doesn't mean she didn't deserve to get what she paid for.

[Anonymous No.12408488]

>>12408461
>I-I was actually Joking! hehehe!
Anon, this is beneath you :^)

[Anonymous No.12408491]

>>12408488
AARGH so close to quads

[Anonymous No.12408494]

>>12408488
>thinking a different anon is the same anon
lighten up. you shouldn't take this place so seriously.

[Anonymous No.12408505]

>>12408491
fag

[Anonymous No.12408512]

>>12408341
Why are you so butthurt? If you didn't like Mussolini you shouldn't have voted for him. The fucking retards on this board.

[Anonymous No.12408531]

>>12408512
...I didn't tho.

[Anonymous No.12408534]

>>12408432
Rand's literary theory is about as worthless as that anons though. Is she taught in a single literature department anywhere in the world?

[Anonymous No.12408536]

>>12408494
You're right actually. I'm taking this shit too seriously

[Anonymous No.12408544]

>>12408534
Is she? Who knows.

[Anonymous No.12408570]

>>12407584
>Be forced to pay money into a system your entire life
>Don't take advantage of it when you can! That would be hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.12408648]

>>12408536
Happens to all of us. Better that it's an Ayn Rand /lit/ thread than some /x/-tier bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12408669]

>>12408570
>Fuck you, I got mine: The post

[Anonymous No.12408716]

>>12408534
>Is she taught in a single literature department anywhere in the world?
Didn't Harvard hire a Randian savant a while back?

[Anonymous No.12409582]

>>12408716
That really made the anti-intellectual university haters shut the fuck up. Because now that they teach Rand it's okay!

[Anonymous No.12409802]

>>12407208
Agreed, but his criticism of Rand’s ideology is accurate.

[Anonymous No.12409834]

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: Infinite Jest and my diary desu

[Anonymous No.12409899]

Woah....so THIS is the power of leftcucks....

[Anonymous No.12409907]

You Cowards Don't Even Egoism

[Anonymous No.12409908]

>>12407077
I already knew the joke after he named the books. Idk who that is and I've never read (or plan to read) Rand, but that 'joke' is so lame.

>>12407208
this

[Anonymous No.12409934]

>>12407077
I took the bait. What is the next step of your master plan?

[Anonymous No.12409945]

>>12407559
/lit/s resident Randfag here. Good lad.

[Anonymous No.12409958]

>>12407656
Except romantic realism, Rand's attempt to make historic Romanticism undergo a resurgence (this time on objective grounds), is nothing so arbitrary as that.

[Anonymous No.12410015]

>>12407584
A person is not made a hypocrite by refuse to martyr themselves and compound the injustice levied upon in a society that makes the operants of LfCap illegal.

[Anonymous No.12410017]

>>12409907
Rand's Egoism>Stirner's

[Anonymous No.12410046]

>>12409582
>anti-intellectual
>university haters
>implying one entails the other

[Anonymous No.12410096]

>>12409934
>>12407559
I hate Randian ideology but I love her aesthetic, I need more stuff like this anons

[Anonymous No.12410117]

>>12410096
Ayn Rand didn't actually pick Nick Gaetano for the cover of her works just FYI. He's got the extollment of human excellence down but some Objectivists surmise Rand would (might) have preferred something less cartoony. No one knows.
It's called "Art Deco" in any event.

[Anonymous No.12410171]

>>12409899
/pol/tard incel

[Anonymous No.12410177]

>>12410096
Have you read The Romantic Manifesto?

[Anonymous No.12410431]

>>12407077
>“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves businessmen."
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.12410448]

>>12410431
I didn't know LotR involved businessmen.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12410506]

>>12410017
Hers is simple egotism. “Objectivism” is trash

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12410528]

>>12410096
Art Deco, Bauhaus, Futurism. Some artists in the art nouveau style might interest you too, but you’d probably lean more towards Frank Lloyd Wright than the Green brothers

[Anonymous No.12410743]

>>12410506
Whatever you say namefaggot

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12410759]

>>12410743
>anonymous tries to lecture me about egoism

[Anonymous No.12410788]

>>12410759
Namefaggotitous tries to _____ at all, ever

[Anonymous No.12410828]

>>12410788
If you can't comprehend why a namefag would know more about egoism than I think you are indeed the dumb one.

[Anonymous No.12410847]

>>12410528
She recommends European art movements yet knows nothing about the economic and political realities of geopolitics

Faux-intellectualism in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.12410885]

>>12407077
no fourteen-year-old could begin to relate to Atlas Shrugged, you can read the words, that doesn't mean you understand them, when Dagny is thinking about her affair with Rearden in such terms about it's base, animalistic intensity, no teenager has had the sensation of being involved in long terms with adequate lovers, inadequate lovers, and then an earth-moving stallion. these guys who try to dismiss Rand as superficial, unrealistic, fantastical, are simply revealing themselves as the prudes, the impotent, the frustrated, the complacent, the conceited, the only argument against Rand I will listen to is one that attacks her elitism and unfortunately it is really hard to argue that someone talented should not be allowed to exercise their talent in whatever manner they see fit.

[Anonymous No.12410992]

>>12410885

[Anonymous No.12410998]

>>12410992
yeah i read that clowes comic too

[Anonymous No.12411004]

>>12410828
Having a massive ego=/=having an excellence of development of ego
Don't be a namefaggot enabler reddit

[Anonymous No.12411005]

>>12410998
He was right about everything.

[Anonymous No.12411014]

>>12411004
*ignore that first "an"

[Anonymous No.12411021]

>>12411005
he ought to be, he copied Celine enough

[Anonymous No.12411022]

>>12407559
What literary value?

[Anonymous No.12411161]

>>12410828
I see you took your name off to samefag for a sec

[Anonymous No.12411257]

>>12411161
You know in your heart that you're wrong and that your post is the last gasp of a lost argument.

[Anonymous No.12411272]

>>12409958
She didn't know anything about Romanticism, and nor do you.

[Anonymous No.12411279]

>>12411161
I'll know in my heart that I'm wrong when I see two screencap namefaggot

[Anonymous No.12411280]

>>12411279
Meant for>>12411257

[Anonymous No.12411301]

>>12411257
Get this folks: a namefag allegedly exhibiting Egoism just by being a namefag is apparently an "argument" one could struggle to grapple with.
You crack me up reddit

[Anonymous No.12411327]

>>12407559
Expert troll. Roark would be proud.

[Anonymous No.12411328]

>>12411301
It bothered you that much that you got ignored? Talk about clingy.

[Anonymous No.12411339]

>>12411272
>[...]Such were the roots of one of the grimmest ironies in cultural history: the early attempts to define the nature of Romanticism declared it to be an esthetic school based on the primacy of emotions—as against the champions of the primacy of reason, which were the Classicists (and, later, the Naturalists). In various forms, this definition has persisted to our day. It is an example of the intellectually disastrous consequences of definitions by non-essentials-and an example of the penalty one pays for a non-philosophical approach to cultural phenomena.

>One can observe the misapprehended element of truth that gave rise to that early classification. What the Romanticists brought to art was the primacy of values, an element that had been missing in the stale, arid, third- and fourth-hand (and rate) repetitions of the Classicists’ formula-copying. Values (and value-judgments) are the source of emotions; a great deal of emotional intensity was projected in the work of the Romanticists and in the reactions of their audiences, as well as a great deal of color, imagination, originality, excitement and all the other consequences of a value-oriented view of life. This emotional element was the most easily perceivable characteristic of the new movement and it was taken as its defining characteristic, without deeper inquiry.

>Such issues as the fact that the primacy of values in human life is not an irreducible primary, that it rests on man’s faculty of volition, and, therefore, that the Romanticists, philosophically, were the champions of volition (which is the root of values) and not of emotions (which are merely the consequences)—were issues to be defined by philosophers, who defaulted in regard to esthetics as they did in regard to every other crucial aspect of the nineteenth century.

>The still deeper issue, the fact that the faculty of reason is the faculty of volition, was not known at the time, and the various theories of free will were for the most part of an anti-rational character, thus reinforcing the association of volition with mysticism.

>The Romanticists saw their cause primarily as a battle for their right to individuality and—unable to grasp the deepest metaphysical justification of their cause, unable to identify their values in terms of reason—they fought for individuality in terms of feelings, surrendering the banner of reason to their enemies

Yeah ok.

[Anonymous No.12411369]

>>12411328
It bothered me *slightly* that I was ignored, as I crave (You)s to my lambasts. Don't get psychoanalytic on me skipper.

[Anonymous No.12411557]

>>12411339
As I say, she didn't understand Romanticism and neither do you

[Anonymous No.12411607]

>>12411557
All ears

[Anonymous No.12411685]

>art deco
ah, the fedora of architecture

[Anonymous No.12411809]

>>12411327
Roark was characterised as apathetic and invulnerable to evil. Trolling isn't even close to applicable to the man.

[Anonymous No.12411930]

>>12411369
Lambast THIS. *grabs dick*

[Anonymous No.12412321]

>>12411557
In This thread we see the complete obtusity of the anti-Rand camp and the comparative civility of the "not even such fans of her desu, her work just has undeniable literary value" camp.
I hope this thread might be saved and archived somehow so that every time a neutral Party/ newfag comes here to ask us about Rand we might link It to him, and let him reach his own conclusions.
There's nothing as deadly to the modern left as actually listening to wtf They're saying.