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Are there any good novels where at least one character is dominatrix, either lifestyle of professional? Not looking for erotica, but "real" novels.

Venus in Furs obviously but are there any other?

>> No.12370910

Fetish is covered remarkably poorly in mainstream fiction and media in general, I don't think I've ever read or seen a fetish scene (outside specialist publications) that felt authentic. I speak as a colossal perv who visits a dominatrix regularly.

>> No.12370915

Write your own porn, anon. I write this with affection.

>> No.12370922

East of Eden

>> No.12370934

>>12370810

Accelerando

>> No.12370944

In search of lost time

>> No.12370977

I'm sure Clive Barker has some

>> No.12371020

>>12370944

Could you elaborate? I am just about to start reading Proust so I'm intrigued. I've read there is that Charlus guy who likes to be spanked by male prostitutes, but nothing about dominatrix stuff. So what character are you referring here?

>> No.12371025

>>12370910
what's it like to have a session with a dominatrix?

>> No.12371046

>>12371025
Depends what you are into. Like every self respecting anon, I like feet and being dressed up as a little girl so I do that with some strap on action to finish with.

>> No.12371055

>>12371046
That's badass

>> No.12371105

There is nothing less attractive to a woman than a submissive man. You literally have to pay these women for their time, and the entire time they're thinking about what they're going to spend your money on while pretending that they aren't completely ignoring you. All you're doing is wasting your money and reducng the chance that you'll ever have a real relationship with a woman. Femdom is a fetish not for weak men, but for foolish men. Literally just hold a bitch down and fuck her hard and she'll do it for free, you idiots.

>> No.12371136

>>12371105

Maybe but what can you do?


Many people are hard-wired at an early age into lifelong sexual patterns. In the words of Woody Allen, which contain as much despair as defiance, the heart wants what the heart wants.

>> No.12371163

>>12371105
Not sure you understand how fetish works. It's not a substitute for a relationship, it's a hobby like miniature railways. Sometimes I want a woman to dress me as a little girl and fuck my ass, so I hire a professional who's good at doing it. It's as much a waste of money as following a sports team. Vanilla girls suck at topping, for the reasons you describe.

>> No.12371168

>>12371020
Albertine is a serial rapist The end of book one has some foreshadowing but the most famous part of the novel is her holding the narrator captive.

>> No.12371184

>>12371136
No it fucking doesnt. Its a fetish. Youve trained youself into this shit through porn. And you know it. Stop visiting hookers. Stop looking at porn. Stop masturbating. Youll soon find that ypur fetish evporates and becomes replaced by the simple desire to meet a pretty girl and fuck her like a normal human being. Youll forget you ever used to get off on that weirdshit and the memory will embarass you. Youve rewired a normal sex drive into obscure shit because you cant get laid normally because of social dysfunction. Its literally perversion.

>> No.12371188

>>12371163
Get a dofferent hobby, faggot

>> No.12371192

>>12371184
Reading books is going to trigger you so bad if you get around to it.

>> No.12371197

>>12371192
Piss off you moron.

>> No.12371205

>>12371184
>Its literally perversion.
Only if its done right. I have vanilla sex all the time, I can get off just fine with that. Sometimes I want something exotic, and sometimes... I even fuck other men. I like having sex you see, and sex comes in all kinds of varieties and most of them are fun. You sound like you should try some.

>> No.12371211

>>12371188
>Get a dofferent hobby, faggot
Why? I like kinky fun.

>> No.12371214

>>12371205
Oh, youre a literal faggot. Never mind then. You really are too far gone.

>> No.12371215

>>12371197
>This triggered
You're going to be in full autistic foaming spasms by the time you get to the Second Attic period if you're this uptight, anonkun.

>> No.12371222

>>12371184
nah, a lot of my fetishes were there when I was 6-8. They just became something that made sense when I got means to do them and learned the boundaries of real life.

You shouldn't assume everyone is like you, puritan-kun.

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Story of the Eye

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>>12371214
Fucking squares man

>> No.12371228

>>12371214
Youve gone from arguing that its innately hardwired into you on a genetic level to its like model railroading. I think a cock ruptured your rectum and your brain is being flooded with particles of shit through ypur bloodstream lol

>> No.12371355

>>12370810
Fetish Girl Bella Lavey
Scarlet Letters Jenny Nordbak

>> No.12371361

Naomi - Tanizaki

>>12371225
Any French fag could point to other Bataille works that actually have to do with domantrices?

>> No.12371375

>>12370944
>>12371020

I think he's referring the the whole affair with the letter or I could be wrong. There's a storyline where Proust's narrator goes batshit and the girl who he is into at the time is using this as some sort of sexual power play.

>> No.12371469

>>12371184
based and redpilled

>> No.12371504

Gravity's Rainbow

>> No.12371518

>>12371046
where did u find her?

>> No.12371547

>>12371184
You clearly don't know how fetishes work. A lot of people get them before they even know what sex is.

>> No.12371549

>>12371518
Most pro dommes are on twitter these days

>> No.12371560

>>12371549
really? do you just post asking for one or do you have to look hard for them?

>> No.12371568

>>12371163
You pay for doms? What the fuck? I get dommed at kink parties for free.

>> No.12371597

>>12371105
My gf knew i had sub fantasies and would purposely wear high heels to make herself taller and slap me randomly solely because she knew i liked it. In bed we had normal intimate sex because we both liked it. Moral: A girl who truly adores you will do things you like for you and sex is and should always be a game

>> No.12371599

>>12371568
I don't like kink parties, I prefer private one-on-one sessions. Don't like a herd of gawpers watching me get topped, and you can get more intense and build up more of a rapport without needing to please the onlookers.
>>12371560
It's the internet dude, it's not that hard to find sex workers

>> No.12371615

>>12371599
You get dommed at parties then you develop rapport there THEN meet privately and go further, deeper into the abyss.

You gotta know how to play the game. I have two separate doms right now that I haven't paid a penny to.

>> No.12371622

PERVERTS, PLEASE

>> No.12371643

>>12371615
Alas I have a very respectable vanilla life and have to keep up appearances. A discreet paid hour or two here or there scratches the itch and allows me to maintain my veneer. I think I prefer it this way as an occasional thing rather than a lifestyle.

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>>12371643

>> No.12371671

>>12370810
Can't believe no one has mentioned Ulysses yet, where Leopold Bloom is a submissive and gets that letter from his mistress, disguising themselves as Henry and Martha,

"
Dear Henry,


I got your last letter to me and thank you very much for it. I am sorry you did not like my last letter. Why did you enclose the stamps? I am awfully angry with you. I do wish I could punish you for that. I called you naughty boy because I do not like that other world. Please tell me what is the real meaning of that word? Are you not happy in your home you poor little naughty boy? I do wish I could do something for you. Please tell me what you think of poor me. I often think of the beautiful name you have. Dear Henry, when will we meet? I think of you so often you have no idea. I have never felt myself so much drawn to a man as you. I feel so bad about. Please write me a long letter and tell me more. Remember if you do not I will punish you. So now you know what I will do to you, you naughty boy, if you do not write. O how I long to meet you. Henry dear, do not deny my request before my patience are exhausted. Then I will tell you all. Goodbye now, naughty darling, I have such a bad headache. today. and write by return to your longing

MARTHA.

P. S. Do tell me what kind of perfume does your wife use. I want to know."

Legit got a boner at that part and i was so happy for old poldy

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>the people itt and nearly everything posted
Y I K E S
I
K
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S

>> No.12371834

>>12371822
What do you mean? Please explain your opinion.

>> No.12371958

>You seem to have mistyped the captcha

>> No.12372068

>>12370810

Angelina Jolie as dominatrix might just be my ideal woman.

>> No.12372104

>>12371834
Bunch of degenerate sissies. Highlighting the absolute state of modern society.
Everyone is:
>muh feelings
>muh pleasure

Highly selfish and degenerate creatures.

>> No.12372134

>>12372104
Allowing people to like the things they like is the opposite of selfishness

>> No.12372214

>>12372134
Not really. Because this attitude negatively affects everyone else because of the harm they cause to society.

>> No.12372310

>>12372214
You are just projecting that it is doing harm. To others it is the opposite of harm and feels like a release

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>>12370810
I recommend Monsieur Venus by Rachilde. The female character basically sissy hypno's the dude. it was pretty good

>> No.12373654

>>12372104
Clearly being a judgemental puritan brings you feelings of pleasure, so how are you any different? Arguably you cause more damage to society

>> No.12373694

>>12373654
>Arguably good is evil and evil is good.

lol

>> No.12373711

>>12373694
>sex is evil, repression is good
LOL. Do you want to punish all the naughty people who misbehave?

>> No.12373715

Hey there, I see you've decided to make a thread on /lit/. Here's some helpful questions for you to self-evaluate on whether your thread is a piece of shit or not:

1. If you are asking for reccomendations based on genre/subject/content/a certain atmosphere or feel, have you tried searching other places beforehand, such as review sites, academic journals, university syllabuses, or, if you have any, friends?
2. Does your thread contain the name of any famous literary or philosophical figure(s) (or that figure's ideas) that has been shilled extensively on /lit/ in the past few months?
2a. If the answer is 'yes' to question 2, does your thread contain any extensive references to that literary/philosophical figure's works in order to provide a good jumping-off point for deeper discussion?
3. Does your thread contain any ambiguous buzzwords (e.g. "postmodernism", "nihilism", "Marxism") that would require a great deal of elucidation and scholarly analysis to come to a consensus as to the exact meaning of the word?
4. Is your thread related to the act of/motivation to/doubts about etc... reading books rather than the books themselves?
5. Is your thread related to religion?
5a. If the answer is 'yes' to question 5, do you reference any theological studies or actual religious texts in detail in your thread?
6. Do you use any terminology that is used frequently on /pol/?
7. If you are asking for an opinion about the quality of a specific book, is it a book that has been extensively shilled on /lit/ in the past few months?
8. Does your thread contain any actual words (as opposed to punctuation marks or emojis)?
9. Is your thread related to writing advice, yet is not a part of a critique thread?
10. Does your thread consist of only 1 sentence?

If you have answered 'yes' to any of the above questions (or if you have answered 'yes' or 'no' question 1) - Congratulations! Your thread is a piece of shit. Kindly remove yourself (and your thread) from the board and contemplate what you are doing with your existence.

If not - Congratulations! Your thread may possibly be contributing to humanity's total written knowledge of the world. Keep doing what you're doing.

>> No.12373869

>>12371214
Ironically enough, you are the biggest faggot in this thread

>> No.12374033

>>12373869
no u

>> No.12374045

>>12370810
>>12371046
>>12370910
slave and fleshpilled
>>12373711
faulty premise.

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>>12374045
You are fooling nobody you dirty sleaze

>> No.12374304

>>12374234
Projecting your fetish onto the people who comment on how disgusting it is is a faggot move.

>> No.12374314

Is being into femdom a sign that either your brain, or your epigenetic profile, has activated some kind of "C UCK PATTERN" to make you a useful/expendable servitor for women (and, by extension, healthy males)?

Evidence for this theory:
1. Femdom fetishists are usually not into femdom in isolation, but form their whole personality around being a pathetic little bitch who seriously thinks there are any women who like this behavior.
2. Femdom fetishes usually branch out from initial forms to other and more complicated forms of submission, for instance going from simple body worship and facesitting to ultra weird shit that doesn't even have anything to do with physical sex.
3. These subfetishes almost ALWAYS include surrendering masculinity or adopting femininity: getting fucked by a fake dick, dressing like a girl, sucking cocks.
4. Over the past ten to fifteen years, femdom as a whole has increasingly transformed from being a one-on-one fetish, carried out within individual relationships, into being this weird combination of cuckolding, long-distance low-contact humiliation, etc.
5. Women are not responding to these developments by becoming more dominant. They are responding by being submissive to Chad and dominant only toward cucks.
6. Femdom is overlapping and fusing with the more prevalent patterns of nu-males and beta males in our culture, as well as increasing rates of bisexuality.

Conclusion: Being into femdom used to mean that you like facesitting and maybe leather. Now it means a slippery slope into faggotry and being a real and actual "cuck" for a sexually normal couple.

Theory: Is femdom an epigenetic mutation of a dying civilization as all its men turn into self-neutering eunuch faggots?

Possible counterpoint: Most men with dominant fetishes are pathetic weak beta males themselves, and tend to be into gay cartoonish over-exaggerated versions of dominance. So there is no corresponding necessary connection between dominance and alphaness.

>> No.12374325

>>12374314
>Femdom fetishists are usually not into femdom in isolation, but form their whole personality around being a pathetic little bitch who seriously thinks there are any women who like this behavior.
Not sure this is true, but you seem to have thought very hard about this for some reason

>> No.12374328

>>12374314
>Is femdom an epigenetic mutation of a dying civilization as all its men turn into self-neutering eunuch faggots?
> Is femdom an epigenetic mutation of a dying civilization as all its men turn into self-neutering eunuch faggots?
yes

>> No.12374331

>>12374314
>Social conditioning => epigenetics
No

>> No.12374337

>>12374304
Not projecting my fetish, I'm saying anyone obsessing over the sex lives of others usually has some funny business going on themselves.

>> No.12374346

>>12374337
And thats the faggiest thing possible to say.

>> No.12374348

>>12374346
You seem quite obsessed with have faggy things are. Anything to confess closet case?

>> No.12374375
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I wish I were an attractive woman. I would be a kind of black widow. I'd seduce all sorts of straight men -- you know there are so many cute beta straight boys whom women completely overlook but gays fawn over?? what was God thinking -- and they'd allow me to tie them up and do anything to them, and then I'd put them through something they've never expected or experienced, a blurry mix of anguish and ecstasy, until they don't know what they are anymore. Even if I just had their ankles tied firm to a bedpost, I'd tickle their feet slowly and agonisingly for hours. Can you imagine reducing a grown man to nothing but boyish giggles and squirming legs? Making them CRY over light finger touches. That's the sort of thing that permanently rapes a man's idea of himself, even though the possibility has always been inscribed in his skin, in his very DNA. I don't know why women don't make proper use of their power. All the potential limit-experiences that fail to come to fruition out of neglect by the narrow female mind... I suppose if women were nothing more than sexually coveted men, they'd be too powerful.

>> No.12374450

>>12374314
Or maybe people are just finally starting to become more of themselves instead of putting up facades for societal benefit. Also many girls are genuinely into reversed roles, not just the stereotype of fucking Chad and cucking her beta. You're getting too caught up in the 4chan false image of what femdom is.

>> No.12374458

>>12374314
Aren't most men who got to a dominatrix high powered businessmen and politicians?

>> No.12374460

>>12373715
>>12374450
Oh teah, other point: porn addiction makes people seek out more perverse things. I think that's a more apt explanation of fetishes branching out than "society falling apart has turned me into Vicks"

>> No.12374475

>>12374458
I personally think that's a stereotype submissive men perpetuate because it helps them validate their sexuality. Since being submissive is seen societally as bad for a man, you need to compensate by saying "I'm only submissive because I'm dominant at work". It gives a person an out, since they may not be able to present themselves as a subby bitch 24/7, even if they truly want to.

>> No.12374538

>>12374337
Or, alternate hypothesis: they were ensnared by sexual habit in the past and received nothing out of it, and see the fundamental disconnect between the sexual and the intellectual.

>> No.12374625

>>12374538
>see the fundamental disconnect between the sexual and the intellectual.
"The degree and kind of a man's sexuality reach up into the ultimate pinnacle of his spirit." - Nietzsche

>> No.12374731

>>12374538
>fundamental disconnect between the sexual and the intellectual
No such disconnect exists, which explains why your writing sucks, and why you can't get laid

>> No.12374750

>>12372134
no its not at all friend

>> No.12374766

This is why i like to visit /lit/ from time to time, people are so honest and heartwarming

>> No.12374797

>>12371136
>Mfw when among the first hentai I found online was Bondage Faeries and Dolcett's Club X.
I thank god every day that the Club X story was only the milder, first half, and I only ended up with a BDSM fetish and not fucked up shit like vore and snuff.

>> No.12374817

>>12371643
That's wise. Kink parties are just a step away from videos of you there ending up on your Facebook profile.

>> No.12374827

>>12370810
During one portion of The Satyricon near the end, the main character narrowly escapes a sisterhood of priestesses who try to penetrate him with a spicy dildo after he kills one of their sacred geese.

>> No.12374834

>>12374375
>you know there are so many cute beta straight boys whom women completely overlook but gays fawn over??

Gay dudes like betas? I was under the impression they all wanted athletic jocks.

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>>12374625
And you know what Nietzsche also said?

>> No.12375276

>>12371184
When I was 6 my cousin and I found a VHS recording of a girl groaning while getting brutally rammed in the ass. 18 years later, I'm still obsessed with anal. Porn really is interesting.

>> No.12375466

If you need this kind of deviancy in your life you have other issues. Imagine you’re 80 years old with grandkids, and you have to live with the fact that a women fucked you in the ass when you were 25 and you paid her for it.

Live a beautiful life
Not a hedonistic one

>> No.12375491

>>12371163
God this is the shit I can’t fucking stand about the kink community. They are SO fucking pretentious. Most of the people I’ve met are so dismissive and act like any sex or sexual experiences outside of the kink community ( no matter how extensive it is ) is beneath them and they use the same buzzword EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

“Vanilla”

Time after time these fucks are intellectual lightweights that can’t help but to separate sex from the psychological or at the least compartmentalize. They act like a healthy sex life between two married people is a mistake in private even though publicly they preach about tolerance and how sexuality should be free and accepting. The joke is on them as their community has been highly affected by the new wave of cultural censure and their overlap with the gay community and its politics that have little to do with sex has absolutely infected their social scene. The hypocrisy is amazing. I’m saying this as someone that is very sex positive and thinks that we’re far more Victorian about sexual values than we like to admit. This is simply another placeholder for any form of substance in a consumerist suckhole and the age of techno-nihilism we find ourselves in.

>> No.12375511
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>>12374450
Underage detected. I bet next you’ll tell me the kinds of kinks people are into have absolutely nothing to do with their public life or socialization at all in an attempt to force extreme egalitarian values and you’d actually belive it’s true.

>> No.12375564

>>12375491
Vanilla doesn't imply inferiority, I've never come across this attitude you describe. I've come across your attitude before though, someone who has a sinking suspicion others are having a better time than him and projects his insecurities about that
>>12375466
>implying your grandad wasn't into getting pissed on

>> No.12375635

>>12375564
See you just did it. I belive that you actually belive in what you’re saying but you can’t dismiss critique of your tribe as being pretentious and transcendent of the rest of us supposed sexless peons and then go on to describe anyone that deviates from your ideas as someone simply projecting. As if your dinestore psychoanalysis of my entire sexuality and attitude could be refined down to one post by me. As I said I’m very comfortable with sex and sexual values of all stripes, I only know this because I’ve spent time in your community. I’ve yet to see anyone dealing with this topic in a truly thoughtful way. I mean seriously man your argument is a total ad hominem and I’m not even trying to attack you personally just express my distaste for what I see as shallow posturing and language games in your community. Deal with it.

>> No.12375698

>>12375635
The pretentious person here is you. Nobody looks down on vanilla sex. I have vanilla sex all the time, it's just a convenient word to mean 'nobody gets pissed on'. But please keep writing overly long insecure posts about how people you've never met look down on you. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were getting off on the thought that people consider themselves superior to you

>> No.12375730

>>12375698
Literally so obsessed with oppressor/ oppressed power dynamics you can’t have an intellectual conversation without them being shoehorned in. More ad hominem. Reifying all my points about the divorce of the sexual and the pathology of said participants. Something that’s truly in bad taste and beyond the pale or shocking to you would be the idea that people exist in the world that simply aren’t interested in identity defined power structures. Your entire worldview and ideology is based on the premise that that is the simple state of reality. You are truly boring.

>> No.12375744

>>12375698
“But I don’t judge people that have vanilla sex because even I have vanilla sex” literally reads like “I’m not racist because I have black friends!”

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>>12375730
Very sweet that you think you are making intellectual points rather than griping about the sex lives of other people

>> No.12375747

>>12374450
>women are into fucking plain effeminate betas and cucking alpha males
No they’re not
>>12374458
They tend to be ugly weak men in positions of status
>>12374731
Nothing any of you have put forth in this thread is exceptional, conversational eloquence is not something you’ll find on this board to begin with certainly not in this thread of all places. Getting laid is determined by sexual market value, height, facial attractiveness, wealth and charisma or network. Its got little if anything to do with intellect beyond a very low threshold.

>> No.12375758

>>12375747
>uses pua buzzwords
>complains about low quality of discourse
Oh I am laffin

>> No.12375786

>>12370810
Guys, what percentage of girls at present do you think desire to be a dominant, Mommy GF to a submissive, little boy? Who they behave motherly towards, and receive a child's affections from in return?

>> No.12375845

>>12375745
Does it help you sleep at night to think of the world as a place hell bent on policing the sex lives of other people? I think you’d absolutely have to believe that to find pleasure in your kink at all. To you detractors of this are attacking your very essence. Most people by and large could give a shit what you’re doing in your private life. Still waiting on one person that isn’t a brainlet to have some thoughtful dicrosie on this subject. I’d love to see some sociological studies on the types of people that consume and support the kink community. I can only imagine it’s mostly white westerners that cross intellectual spheres with eastern religion, astrology, and other esoteric or “exotic” proclivities to fill up their consumer holes. I don’t how you can defend this dumb shit when the connotation is literally in the name “vanilla” itself as something boring and lackluster. I think it’s great you like to be pissed on mate. Really, I hope it makes you happy because life is short. I’m only asking for my own intellectual autonomy without being looked down on as someone projecting or insecure for not feeling the same way about it as you. I’m here tapping you on he shoulder explaining there’s a whole other world view but that’s threatening to you because it shatters your ideas of power. It’s not meant to be.

>> No.12375854

>>12375786
This is a male fantasy so I’d say you could only find women who will do it for money.

>> No.12375858

>>12375845
>Most people by and large could give a shit what you’re doing in your private life.
Apart from you it seems. You seem to be very angry about something anon. Maybe you need a good shag?

>> No.12375870

>>12375858
I’m convinced you’re a troll. Everything comes to sex. I hope you’re in an accident and survive without your genitals.

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Imagine being angry about how someone spends their bedroom time. Just let people have fun.

>> No.12375884

>>12375845
I've got some anecdotal experience with the kink community in my famously sexually decadent west coast city.
Couple takeaways:
1) Kinksters tend to be older, less economically sound, and physically unattractive
2) Professional dominatrix types tend to be strippers who figured out that they could make as much (or more) money by being a bitch to dudes, and tend to not have any sort of BDSM fetish. They're good actors is all, the fantasy is pretty two dimensional and easy to inhabit.
3) No young or attractive people stay in the scene for long. Me and my gf went to one munch and got creeped right the fuck out of there.
4) Single dudes are worthless in that community, it's dominated by gross old guys with a lower amount of generally older, overweight women they all incestuously fuck.
5) The smugness, you guys would not believe the smugness.

Basically, do kinky stuff with your girlfriend. Don't expect any scene or broader community to be enjoyable.

>> No.12375886

>>12375786
based mommyposter, hadn't seen you for some days fren

>> No.12375895
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pls r8

>> No.12375924

>>12375884
My city is famously kinky too. There's a huge divide in the scene between sexy and more professional types and those dismissed as 'lifestylers' eg unattractive bridge and tunnel people in cheap outfits. All very tiresome

>> No.12375972

>>12370810
Torrents of Spring.

Thank me later.

>> No.12376008

>>12375786
Probably more than you think provided that the sub boy isn’t a manchild.

>> No.12376090

>>12375895
King James' Bible/10

>> No.12376105

>>12375972
Great book, not really femdom though, more bored sexually charged older woman seduces inexperienced boy (which is a patrician fetish in itself)

>> No.12376121

>>12376105
>older woman

They're literally the same age. It's pure netorare femdom.

>> No.12376155

>>12376121
Now I'm remembering, doesn't the husband know about it too? It's like a game between them?
Don't think I've ever been so pissed off at a fictional character though, like a horror film you just want to scream at him to get out of there, though unlike a horror film his actions are completely understandable.

>> No.12376194

>>12376155
Yeah, he knows. Dunno, I had a hard-on throughout.

>> No.12376278

Why is femdom such a recurring theme in literature?

So much literature features women holding some kind of power over men in some way. Even The Illad and The Odyssey feature powerful women whom the male characters find themselves at the mercy of.

If that wasn't enough, Freud placed a large amount of emphasis on the way men desire powerful women and Jung went so far as to argue that men often hold great admiration for the feminine.

>> No.12376297

>>12376278
Because femdom is the best thing on this Earth. There is nothing greater than being suffocated by a woman's softness. All of men's ills would disappear if they experienced such a love from a female.

>> No.12376300

>>12376278
Because its hot. And maybe we all remember mummy being in charge and found it comforting

>> No.12376327

>>12376278
Deep down, many men desire to be smothered by such a love from their lady.

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How do you get the average girl to get off on physically abusing you? Do you just have to find a psychotic/bpd girl and gaslight her or manipulate her in a particular way so she eventually makes you her pin cushion?

>> No.12376349

>>12376297
>>12376327
These. A matriarchy can't come soon enough.

>> No.12376353

>>12376337
Dude, DON'T post such sickening images. Seriously, STOP. You and several others on here post such disturbing content on a BLUE BOARD, and it makes me consider stopping coming here. I don't want to see such gruesome things.

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>>12376337
Just get a professional

>> No.12376425

>>12376407

God damn, look at how hagged-out and bagged-out. The joyless, dead eyes. The gaunt frame.

She'd be a good cenobite!

>> No.12376470

>>12376407
How many of these professionals truly enjoy what they do and the physical and psychological pain they cause? It all seems like an elaborate act most of the time from what I can pick up from over a decade of consuming this shit in video form.

>> No.12376478

>>12376349
based matriarchyposter

>> No.12376512

>>12374314
>an epigenetic mutation
fucking moron don't use words you don't know the meaning of

>> No.12376530

>>12376470
Tbh I'm not sure the chick who cleans my apartment really enjoys doing it. She's providing a service in exchange for cash

>> No.12376550

>>12375895
>my weak tosser

>> No.12376558

>>12376530
Why is it so difficult to find a semi attractive female who is merciless and sadistic? Even one who just enjoys punching my balls or putting me down with her words?

>> No.12376683

>>12376558
I found a girl like this and she turned out to be either Borderline PD or Antisocial PD, because while I got to enjoy the domination and teasing she also was extremely psychologically and emotionally abusive to the point that it was horrifying.

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>>12374375
im a tranny and this is pretty much me, but i do it for wholesome reasons too. course its fun to toy with them.

im in central europe and i destroy people, so they can be rebuilt

>> No.12376714

>>12375878
Do you think people should be allowed to do anything so long as it takes place in the bedroom?

>> No.12376726

>>12376695
You should kill yourself

>> No.12376729

>>12370810
Why would anyone have sex or even look at a "woman" with short hair?

>> No.12376734

>>12376714
I never said that. It's pretty obvious what I meant by "bedroom time."

>> No.12376739

>>12376714
What's off limits then? Is rimming allowed? Cause I like eating ass

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>>12376726
awww whats wrong baby, did i touch a weak spot

>> No.12376755

>>12373654
>Clearly being a judgemental puritan brings you feelings of pleasure, so how are you any different? Arguably you cause more damage to society
You don't get to say "judgemental puritans" when the muslims your side imported are raping women and islamizing the world.
I can't believe our grandparents ever listened to yours.

>> No.12376757

>>12376734
Do you think people should be allowed to do anything so long as it takes place during bedroom time?

>> No.12376796

>>12376744
No you have it all wrong, I merely despise delusional dingbats like you. I've already won because even if you're one of the few trannies who doesn't kill himself I can just take solace in the fact that you'll grow into a monster as you age. It'll become even harder to hide the fact that your a man. Think of me when you see little children recoil and laugh behind your back.

>> No.12376812

>>12376695
You should never hurt another person. Please, recalibrate your hobbies. There's nothing wholesome about "destroying" others.

>> No.12376847

>>12376478
The prospect of a matriarchy replacing the current patriarchal system in our post-scarcity society is a beautiful one.

Imagine a world were women are no longer expected to objectify themselves and can instead focus on growing as people.

Imagine the focus being shifted from the international """"community"""" to the local community with these independent women taking charge to improve the communities they live in from day to day in from within.

Imagine these women feeling fufillment as they can not only become more well rounded people, but can also make meaningful contributions to the community rather than being treated as an expendable tool.

Imagine, as a man, working not for a faceless corporation or bureaucracy, but for your local community which the women have poured blood, sweat and tears into making a homely place.

Imagine coming home and being rewarded for your work by your wife with affection and being able to vent all your problems to her without shame.

Imagine never feeling lonely ever again because men can weather all storms with women standing firmly at their side.

Patriarchal socities don't offer this. They only offer an endless cycle of war, conquest and alienation for both sexes due to an increased process of dehumanisation as a means of maximising efficiency.

>> No.12376855

>>12376796

Why would you take solace in such a fact I wonder. Schadenfreude is not good for the heart young man!

>> No.12376860

>>12376812
destruction is not always a bad thing. sometimes people need to be destroyed, so that they can start anew.

>> No.12376863

>>12376855
I just told you why. I despise trannies. Jesus Christ dude lay off the hormones.

>> No.12376873

>>12376863
Why do you despise trannies? They cant help that they are mentally ill.

>> No.12376889

>>12376873
I value truth above all and they're the walking antithesis.

>> No.12376894

>>12376757
You're trying oddly hard to put words into my mouth.

>> No.12376914

>>12376889
so you seem them as the ultimate lie?
or maybe you just dont like that they are untruthful about their biological gender?

>> No.12376919

>>12376894
I didn't say you said anything. I'm asking you a question.

>> No.12376936

Only acceptable kinks are impregnation, pregnancy, and missionary while holding hands and making eye contact with the lights on. In other words, the only acceptable kinks are the normal healthy non-kink ones.

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>>12376863
you're the type i like to break down the most, that hateful little mouth of yours, how id love to gag it with my cock. breaking down every piece of that fragile masculinity you possess, holding your balls in my hand squeezing at will, chaining you to the floor, shooting you up with hormones, witnessing your manly grunts turning into cute feminine moans, the tears of a broken man are so precious, so much potential crushed under my heels, how beautiful it is to watch them squirm.

and in the end do you know they never harbor ill will? thats what i love the most, the utter destruction of a hateful element of society. Truly im doing the world a favor.

>> No.12376973

>>12376919
If it's legal and each party is consenting I don't care what sex they have, man.

>> No.12376996

>>12376967
I can tell I got into your head because now you're responding to my post multiple times. You're a sad and pathetic little man and you always will be.

>> No.12377037

>>12374375
>not just gently teasing them
>so you slowly brake them every minute of their lives in front of everyone
>no one doing a thing because it's just playful joking
>forcing them to submit or answer back with pent up rage and become a monster everyone will hate
clearly you don't think like a woman

>>12374834
gay dudes are either supermodel only or super open about anyone as long as they seem to be cool to hang out with.
not that different from not gay men

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What is it about kink that bring out all the raging puritans? People who wouldn't dream of being homophobic get all butthurt

>> No.12377088

When I was 6 or 7 I got a Where's Wally book, the first one. In one of the puzzles there was a family trapped in a zoo-like-cage with the animals watching them. I probably though it would make more sense if the animals were dressed and the people naked, I recently saw it again and I was surprised that the people were actually clothed. I would think about that scenario now and then and feel super happy, adding stuff like being fed, hosed down, touched by strangers. I was like 12 when I realize that was what people call a fetish, my idea of it was more like a game or a short term life style.
At no point did I develop any furry fantasies, even though the antro animals were right there, next to the thing that ticked with me. So I always found it weird when people think that there is some sort of way to control fetishes just because some people are fringe, as if the small numbers mean there was a secret battle being fought and everyone else got saved from being like that.

>> No.12377097

>>12375466
so what? Imagine being 80 and feeling guilty for what you spent money on 55 years ago, that's super pathetic.
on the other hand, having to pay the bills and remembering how much money I spent on getting fucked in the ass that month would make me reconsider a lot of things.

>> No.12377114

>>12376973
so you don't enjoy cocained fulled sex matches to the death against white tigers?
you sound boring :-(

>> No.12377126

>>12377073
dude, get that shit out of here, I'm trying to quit smoking

>> No.12377141

>>12376847
we haven't lived in a patriarchy for a long time. Money has been the ruling power since at least the industrial revolution.

Men - powerful or otherwise, have very little actual authority, whether they've won the dominance game that men play for the attention of women or not.

The end of patriarchy- the collapse of the traditional social structures IE marriage, religion, that followed the Industrial Revolution has only allowed women the "freedom" of wage labor. Modernity, not the patriarchy has in fact deprived us of the picturesque coexistence you're imagining. The effeminate subservience you're imagining for yourself is just sexual neurosis. No amount of social engineering will make women desire faggy sensitive men.

>> No.12377156

>>12376967
plz do this to me

>> No.12377173

>>12376967
>breaking down every piece of that fragile masculinity you possess
>and in the end do you know they never harbor ill will? thats what i love the most, the utter destruction of a hateful element of society. Truly im doing the world a favor.
This is what my bully did to me though
It wasn't erotic and I still have nightmares years after

>> No.12377188

>>12377114
>you sound boring
You're 100% right about that. It's why I browse a literature board.

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>>12377097
Money is for spending. People spend thousands following a baseball team, or collecting guitars and other such nonsense
>so long as a man rides his Hobby-Horse peaceably and quietly along the King's highway, and neither compels you or me to get up behind him,--pray, Sir, what have either you or I to do with it?

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>>12377173
nightmares are one of the greatest gifts this world has to offer, you should be thankful

>> No.12377207

>>12377197
hell ya private vice public virtue my dude thats what time it is

>> No.12377269

>>12377203
Every time I try to better myself or do something productive other than distracting myself through mindless habits he is always there still influencing the way I think and I can't perceive it any differently or forget about it, I just still feel completely broken and I can't focus on what I'm doing and I get really sad.
I'd probably be thankful if it had been an attractive girl who did this to me, as pathetic as that sounds. The dreams are always repetitive, either I keep trying to fight, my weak punches don't do anything or fail to connect with his head and this make me look weak for trying or its a trippy take on the insecurities he made known to everyone around me, endless pressure and not being able to do anything about it. Wake up cold and scared

>> No.12377321

>>12377141
You do realise the economic system has inherited aspects of patriarchy, right? Society as we know it is very male geared. Women are encouraged to discard their femininity in an attempt to become more like men, all under the assurance that they can "have it all". This ultimately proves not to be the case, as mothers often struggle to raise their children if they try to imitate masculine modes of work place competitiveness. Yet they must, since the economy has made one-income households less viable. On top of all this, women also paradoxically have to sell their sex in the workplace by being an attractive face for the company to use in PR campaigns. Women in the work-place are therefore encouraged to discard femininity, while still suffering from objectification.

>> No.12377401

>>12377197
so we're agreeing, right?

>> No.12377495

It’s amazing when these hyper-leftists and their kinks encompass sex and politics all at once but when a kink goes outside their comfort zone it gets shunned quickly. A great example of this is the whole small community of women wanting to be dominated by Trump voters. Not to mention things like gunplay or any other “problematic” kinks.

What if your kink is to be a Puritan? What I’d nothing makes you cum harder than sex for the purpose of conceiving a child? The best thing about sexual pathology is that it hasn’t no bounds. I’m not even saying this as a rightist lol. The kink community is a fuckin joke.

>> No.12377553

>>12377495
you mean hyper-liberals.
liberals are the right wing in most of the world and are usually tied to catholic puritanism. Leftists are traditionally anti-religion, which includes disliking sexual dogma.
For example in the soviet union, not a nice place, capitalist propaganda could get you in jail while homosexuality got de-penalized. It went back to being a touchy subject as soon as the liberal government took the helm.

>> No.12377566

>>12377073
What was this? Maybe like 80$ of cheaply produced leather and bullshit sex toys from Spencer’s Gifts? What is it about kinksters that they think what they do is some secret cloak and dagger ritual. Yeah ok, I’ll just pretend that not every American hasn’t known about bdsm since The Secretary came out on videocassette. They conflate people’s distaste for them with Puritan idealism
Which is virtually nonexistent in The West by anyone with a phone. You’re just a fucking retard that’s all.

>> No.12377580

>>12377553
Sure, I’m aware of everything you said. It’s really just a language game. I’m assuming most of the people here are Americans right now as this is only a phenomenon perpetuated by bored housewives and people desperate to feel something. All this being said I would like to believe that in the world there are high powered hot swinger couples that are truly sexually liberated but most of the people attracted to it have probably owned atleast one plush doll manufactured by Nintendo.