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[Anonymous No.12297539]

Why is academic philosophy so boring? I swear, the only interesting classes I've taken have been about the history of philosophy, rather than learning about contemporary questions.

[Anonymous No.12297558]

That might just indicate that you're an actual philosopher. I couldn't stand philosophy departments because they were all analytics pretending to talk about stereotyped and strangely delimited issues that were obviously made factitious as a result of their being stereotyped and delimited. I came to philosophy by studying it historically on my own terms and realizing that the thought-movements contained in it are too big for the walled gardens and near-sighted career-grubbing of almost all academics.

Don't give up on philosophy because its current institutional manifestation sucks. "Contemporary" questions are merely timely in the worst sense.

>I love him who justifies the future ones, and redeems the past ones: for he is willing to perish through the present ones.

[Anonymous No.12297572]

The general public's perception of academic philosophy, especially in anglophone institutions, is usually way off the mark. It's not unusual for undergrads to feel disheartened in their studies.

[Anonymous No.12297602]

>>12297539
What are you reading anon? And what fields interested you when studying history of philosophy? I find it hard to believe that you can engage with the history of the ideas but not with the contemporary discussion of the same topics

[Anonymous No.12297627]

>>12297558
do you think for a second that "fuck institutional analytic philosophy" isn't one of the most basic, retard moves one can make?

[Anonymous No.12297652]

>>12297602
It's all of it. I hate the way they do philosophy in this piece meal sort of way looking at discrete problems rather than the big picture. I guess im a continental philosopher at heart.

[Anonymous No.12297690]

>>12297652
I'm in the same position OP. Personally, what do? When philo boring, what do now? Read book? Me english major, but because everything dumb. So me dumb.

Hopefully, the 200k im pumping into university results in something (it won't). Perhaps I'll get a jog in web development andI spend my free time educating myself thinking how laughable modern university is. It's a wonder how the academic rigor has decreased over the last 100 years.

[Anonymous No.12297802]

>>12297690
Idk. Im a retard though because I deep down i've always wanted to be an academic, but the state of job market in academia is atrocious on top of the fact that american philosophy has never done anything interesting in it's entire history.

[Anonymous No.12297826]

>>12297802
Yes, exactly! What hope is there for us other than to read more and be good.

[Anonymous No.12297864]

>>12297558
t. retard

[Anonymous No.12297927]

>>12297652
do you even realize the irony of your post

[Anonymous No.12297930]

>>12297927
>>12297864
>>12297627
calm down dude

[Anonymous No.12297947]

>>12297930
close

[Anonymous No.12297971]

>>12297947
either way, try actually posting something if you want people to respond to you

posting "you don't really think that do you?? wowwwwwww can't believe that LOL you really think that? wow! haha duuude that's so dumb though lol!" is just white noise, it translates back to "I disagree." which is an empty post

[Anonymous No.12298019]

>>12297826
Read, reflect upon what you read, establish relationships and describe differences between things, redefine or discover true definitions for commonly used words, create models, theories, build up systems, fix the truth on something and claim it to be what is. That's how all philosophers during the last 2600 years have worked.

[Anonymous No.12298026]

>>12297971
lol

[Anonymous No.12298038]

>>12297927
American Analytic philosophers fixate on discrete problems more than any other school of thought in the history of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12298164]

Phil major here. Just focus on history of Philosophy then. And if you're serious about that, then you're going to want to learn a second language too (French, Greek or German etc)

Contemporary philosophy can be boring, but its mostly because those who write modern analytic papers have no literary or historical sense, and are also very arrogant in their beliefs. Be the change you want to see.

[Anonymous No.12298221]

>>12297539
Because you probably like thinkers and texts and history and not solving philosophical problems themselves.

[Anonymous No.12298226]

>>12297652
That's because looking at the big picture doesn't get you jack shit and it all depends on your answers to smaller questions anyways

[Anonymous No.12298232]

>>12297539
kek why do you faggots even like philosophy? I mean some of the ideas are cool but the presentation sucks, I tried reading Witty's Tractatus. Absolutely dull and boring. And yes I am a brainlet. Schopenhauer and Nietszche, now, those I like.

[Anonymous No.12298244]

>>12297802
>Peirce, James, Sellars, Quine, Davidson, Putnam, Kripke, Brandom, etc. never did anything interesting

[Anonymous No.12298250]

>>12297539
It's to scare arrogant "big picture" retards like you away. Clearly it's working.

[Anonymous No.12298252]

>>12298244
Zzz

[Anonymous No.12298259]

>>12298244
Peirce, James, and Sellars are good, the rest are crap.

[Anonymous No.12298268]

>>12298252
Seriously though, don't go into academia because you're going to get laughed out of the room for expressing opinions like that, which only a brainlet could hold

[Anonymous No.12298290]

>>12298244
No. American philosophy is considered to be a joke outside of the anglo world

[Anonymous No.12298299]

>>12298290
It's not 1968 anymore you blithering idiot, many non-anglo countries, including Germany and France, have incorporated American analytic philosophy into their program

[Anonymous No.12298306]

>>12298290
Yes, by pseuds on the internet, not in academia

[Anonymous No.12298307]

>>12297558
brainlet autodidact whomst too unintelligent
>>12297539
then maybe go for intellectual history.. it's a very interesting discipline

[Anonymous No.12298311]

>>12298299
>American analytic philosophy
A total meme, no doubts. The Americanization of the West is not surprising. At all. It's in every corner.

[Anonymous No.12298332]

>>12298299
Yes, and soon those departments will shut down like the in the united states. who woulda thought trying your hardest to hang out with the hard sciences would end up with your discipline, and the rest of the humanities, being abolished? The rise of the naive scientism is the direct result of fags like Quine and their cock sucking of physicists

[Anonymous No.12298334]

>>12298299
Thats not a strictly American field of study, though.

[Anonymous No.12298337]

>>12297539
analytic is the best for any metaphysical or epistemological topic
continental is best for social analysis, ethics and politics

[Anonymous No.12298342]

>>12298311
A total meme, just like German idealism and Marxism. Cry more europoor

[Anonymous No.12298355]

>>12298332
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.12298357]

>>12298342
>Yah b-but Marx sucks amirite hehe in yer face Yuropoor!

[Anonymous No.12298420]

>>12298342
"Hey im a philosopher, what if we like, did away with philosophy in favor of science?"

[Anonymous No.12298451]

>>12297652
>>12297558
>>12297539

But what if all branches and types of philosophy are interesting and valuable if one is willing to meet them on there own terms and critique both their stregth anc weaknesses? The pinot grigio sipping, neo-beatnik continental who rejects entire swaths of analytic philosophy on the ground that it has a myopic vision and methodology looks exactly the same as the stuffy, old man in the tweed suit who denounces the majority of continental philosophy on the grounds that its impenitrable drivel. Neither is right.

[Anonymous No.12298458]

>>12298337
I would say this.

And phenmenology and philosophy of language is where they both make hot, steamy love.

[Anonymous No.12299882]

Bump

[Anonymous No.12300972]

>>12297539
>>12297558
You were probably just in a shitty school. I'm having a pretty good time and suffer none of the problems you're describing.

> history of philosophy, rather than learning about contemporary questions

lol what the fuck
the vast majority of courses focus on past philosophies, you can look up any school's curriculum and see that

You guys clearly haven't experienced much of what you're talking about. How many classes have you taken, OP? What school?

>>12297558
You too, what experience do you actually have? Because you sound like a pseud

Academic philosophy is just people who liked philosophy enough to commit their lives to it. It stands to reason that you'd get to learn a lot from such people, just take note of which corner of philosophy they actually favor and talk to them about that. A philosophy professor teaching about a subject they don't like isn't going to give you a stimulating class.

[Anonymous No.12301183]

>>12297652
>I guess im a continental philosopher at heart.
:)

[Anonymous No.12301724]

>>12301183
>>12297927
actually fucking these, OP.

[Anonymous No.12301730]

>>12297539
Philosophy doesn't have to be exciting. That said, academic philosophy isn't just boring; it's usually not philosophy at all, but a kind of neutered, sanitized form of it, scholarly work at best.