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[Anonymous No.12275239]

There is literally no way that you can find happiness or lasting meaning in your life without God.

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.12275253]

You're a retarded phoneposter shitting up every board with rebbit-tier reverse-burden posts, ergo you're always wrong.
QED

[Anonymous No.12275261]

>>12275239
Which God?

[Anonymous No.12275299]

>>12275239
You are correct.
>>12275261
There is no god but Jehovah, revealed through Christ Jesus.

[Anonymous No.12275308]

>>12275299
I prefer the other chart

[Anonymous No.12275381]

>>12275261

Top tier: I and the father are one.

High tier: I am contained by the father.

Alright tier: I am begotten by the father.

Middle tier: I am set into motion by the father.

Bad tier: I am I and the father is the father.

Bottom tier: I am I and the father is unknown.

Shit tier: I and the father are unknown.

[Anonymous No.12275396]

>>12275381
Only those who are born again of the Spirit are one with the Father. Not all men and women are his sons and daughters

[Anonymous No.12275413]

>>12275299
>>12275308
Why don’t Christ fags understand memes or evidence?

[Anonymous No.12275433]

>>12275299
genuine question, do you believe that he is the Jehovah that we see in the old testament (the guy who is clearly a regional jew god that only wants jewish attention) who then expanded his reach tot he rest of the world? Seems kinda weak of god, but could understand if Jehovah was just the name that that one group gave him in that one region.

[Anonymous No.12275438]

>>12275413
says leftypol

[Anonymous No.12275444]

>>12275239
i can't

[Anonymous No.12275489]

>>12275239
how do you finding meaning WITH god? what does he change exactly?

[Anonymous No.12275493]

>>12275489
>what does having an objective reason for being alive change?
Um, what do you think, you goober?

[Anonymous No.12275531]

>>12275433
Yes. I believe that through him all things were created and that he is the only God. After the flood we forgot him. In Acts we are told "in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways." We made up myths to explain things and worship idols. But now God commands us to repent.

>Acts 17:29-30 (KJV) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

In Psalm 2 we see a prophecy concerning Christ, that if he desires it then he will receive the heathen and the uttermost parts of the Earth.

>7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

And Christ does so before he is received up into heaven. His final instruction to the Apostles then was:

>Mark 16:15-18 (KJV) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

In the book of the prophet Isaiah we also see it prophesied that salvation will also be for us Gentiles.

>Isaiah 49:6 (KJV) And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

[Anonymous No.12275538]

>>12275531
*told that he "in times past

[Anonymous No.12275544]

>>12275239
>heaven is worshipping god for all of eternity
God that sounds like an existential nightmare that you couldn't escape from. Do you never get to even go to sleep anymore? Fucking christ that's horrifying.

[Anonymous No.12275548]

>>12275544
I'm pretty sure that only your soul goes to heaven. Sleep is a bodily function.

[« ƸЖƷ » No.12275549]

>>12275239
Hi.

[Anonymous No.12275553]

>>12275548
until our bodies are resurrected and we are put in the new earth.

[Anonymous No.12275558]

>>12275493
>Um, what do you think, you goober?
Why do you think I'm asking the question, you goober supreme? What does he change? What meaning does he provide?

[Anonymous No.12275560]

>>12275438
I’m not leftypol I just like this meme

[Anonymous No.12275562]

>>12275548
Perhaps he will let me opt for just not existing anymore.

[Anonymous No.12275563]

>>12275553
Well yeah but who knows when that is going to be

[Anonymous No.12275576]

>>12275563
Soon I hope.

[Anonymous No.12275581]

Imagine thinking you could ever actually find lasting meaning

[Anonymous No.12275620]

>>12275261
Actus purus

[Anonymous No.12275626]

>>12275620
Prius?

[Anonymous No.12275784]

Yeah your right I suppose there is no meaning without god except what you decide means something . I'd Rather that than my meaning being I'm In a dictatorship , but it all means something because he loves me ?? Why don't you move to North Korea and worship Kim since being under the boot gives you meaning.Though you get to die and leave korea so it wouldn't be good enough for you . You wish to wear your chains and have the boss man tell you its okay for eternity

[Anonymous No.12275811]

>>12275544
On the contrary, it really is peaceful to worship God here on Earth. If you do it right, you can almost feel it, spiritually. But it’s not so easy to sustain, what with our earthly bodies and environmental distractions and such.

[Anonymous No.12276454]

Lets say that we could figure out there is a god and he does want something from me, why should that give my life any meaning?

[Anonymous No.12276657]

>>12276454
Something to strive for anon. >>12275811
This.

[Anonymous No.12276674]

>>12275381
>I and the Father are one.

So not you, or me or anyone, else perhaps Christ Himself.

[Anonymous No.12276717]

>>12275413
>Implying Christian memes aren't by default the best.

[Anonymous No.12276803]

>>12275811
>not so easy to sustain
I wish this wasn't so true

[Anonymous No.12277043]

>>12275396
All men and woman are children of God.

[Anonymous No.12277073]

>>12275239

First, what is God?

[Anonymous No.12277086]

>>12276717
>unleavened

[Anonymous No.12277090]

>>12277043
In a sense, but you have to be born again of water and of the Spirit to be sons by adoption

[Anonymous No.12277093]

>>12275239
Can't find it with God either. If God is a person, then God is mere plenitude; a nothing, just like everything else, no matter how powerful or knowing or even benevolent.

[Anonymous No.12277102]

>>12277093
read some eastern mystical theology. god's essence is an incomprehensible divine darkness. it can only be approached apophatically

[Anonymous No.12277105]

Excerpt from my Logic Textbook by Peter Kreeft

[Anonymous No.12277124]

>>12277105
If only it were so simple

[« ƸЖƷ » No.12277125]

>>12276717
>The crunchiness of Crispy Christs compels thee
>The crunchiness of Crispy Christs compels thee
>The crunchiness of Crispy Christs compels thee

>>12277102
There is no god but the guy posting on fb

[Anonymous No.12277183]

>>12277124
I mean, it makes sense. Nothing says God like the Tao Ching though.

[Anonymous No.12277193]

>>12277125
you will never be as cool as constantine

[Anonymous No.12277292]

>>12277105
Kreeft was a professor of mine

[Anonymous No.12277296]

>>12277292
i like kraft cheese

[Anonymous No.12277352]

>>12277292
Interesting. I don't know much about him desu.

All I know is that when he wrote that book, he was definitely contemplating existentialism/God.

[Anonymous No.12277417]

>>12277352
Absolutely brilliant but pretty absent-minded. I snuck this picture one day when he did his whole lecture with his tie tucked into his pants.

[Anonymous No.12277470]

>>12277417
That's the logical thing to do... It keeps the tie straight when he doesn't have a clip...

That or he took a dump before class.

[Anonymous No.12277507]

>>12277417
ties are retarded anyway. Years from now it will look like a dumb cultural trend just as we see clothes from centuries ago.

[Anonymous No.12277514]

>>12277507
we don't see clothing from centuries ago like that tho. old fashions are cool. we don't dress that way anymore, but we enjoy seeing it portrayed on tv

[Anonymous No.12277517]

>>12277507
Nah dude, Japanese Rockstars wear a suit & tie to further their rebellion against the rebels. Get a nice sweater vest that says modern, contemporary renaissance to throw over it.

-->/fa/

[Anonymous No.12277535]

>>12277517
I mean, the whole hipster trend is about taking that which was cool during the golden eras cool again. (Vintage)

If you can figure out how to combine contemporary art with the renaissance, with zen Buddhism. (Maybe even throw some flapper influence in there)

You got yourself a million dollar brand.

Smart, sexy, cultured, spiritual, down to earth.

[Anonymous No.12277537]

>>12277514
>>12277517
Ties are basically surrendering yourself to anyone who wants to fuck you up by choking you. Fashion is for NPC’s. Jesus said this 2000 years ago

[Anonymous No.12277543]

>>12277537
Right, but aren't Jesus's teachings fashion in and of themselves?

[Anonymous No.12277568]

>>12277543
I was specifically referring to clothing fashion

[Anonymous No.12277574]

>>12275239
I had sex, made an omelette, and fostered a puppy the other day, and that felt pretty cool

[Anonymous No.12277623]

>>12277568
As apart of the hipster culture. Gainesville, Fl, the Portland you've probably never heard of.

The fashion/culture is a byproduct of the value system. Of course this is a product of the counterculture... Not mainstream culture. (fashion)

Fashion to me is a statement & symbol.

[Anonymous No.12277670]

>>12277623
You’re speaking nonsense to me. I have no idea what you’re saying.

[Anonymous No.12277720]

>>12277670
Cardboard Straws are fashionable & cool, not only because they look cool but because they're organic and biodegradable.

Thrift stores are good for the planet & affordable.

[Anonymous No.12277723]

>>12277720
Fashion. An In-depth look.

Also, a form of neo-liberalism.

[Anonymous No.12277728]

>>12277723
Fashion. An In-depth look.

Also, a form of neo-liberalism.

[Anonymous No.12277760]

>>12277105
the problem with pascal's wager is that, all things being equal, there's no reason i can't also suppose that it's possible that there is a god that specifically wants you to believe in no gods. in this case, believing in god will objectively loose you everything.

[Anonymous No.12277777]

>>12277760
Read Pascal

[Anonymous No.12277793]

>>12275531
>In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Drink poison anon and lets see if you live. Jesus claims you will.

[Anonymous No.12277795]

>>12277777
Quints prove God is real

[Anonymous No.12277797]

>>12277777
Based quints is based

[Anonymous No.12277800]

>>12277777
Holy and pascalpilled

[Anonymous No.12277806]

>>12277760
There’s no reason to support your anti-God, though. I can’t say it has zero possibility, but it’s a bit dishonest to say it has the same probability as Christianity. For example, why doesn’t this God want people to believe? Second, if people do believe, then wouldn’t God be punishing them for being correct? There’s just no logical basis for this type of God.

[Anonymous No.12277813]

>>12277777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG__0_zSW0o

[Anonymous No.12277814]

>>12277777
The Lord has spoketh. Repent ye sinners!

[Anonymous No.12277819]

>>12277806
What reason is there to think that the Christian God is more probable than that God? The Christian God is one who hides from his people 99.9% of the time then punishes them when they don't believe in him.

[Anonymous No.12277831]

>>12277819
What is the %.01?

[Anonymous No.12277832]

>>12277819
There's evidence for the Christian God. There is no evidence for the abstract God you made up 5 minutes ago to attack Christianity with your shoddy reasoning.

[Anonymous No.12277848]

>>12277819
>hides from his people 99.9% of the time
God reveals Himsel by concealing Himself. He has given enough light for those who want to seek Him, and enough darkness for those who do not.
>punishes them when they don't believe in him
It should not be viewed as a punishment. It’s not as if you are face to face with God and you are judged for not believing, and sent to Hell. No, you will suffer because you will be separated from God, because you chose to reject Him.

I can understand why a God wants to be worshipped, but I can not understand a god who punished those who do believe.

[Anonymous No.12277854]

>>12275239
I find true happiness whenever I do whatever I want according to my own system of beliefs, and not when I try to act as some religion is telling me how to, I find "lasting meaning" when I understand "meaning" is a subjective human abstract concept and not something that is reflected on the so-called reality as it is presented to us, my own inner self is more than enough to find "meaning" without any other kind of foreign "entity". Now prove yourself right.

[Anonymous No.12277865]

>>12277848
>God reveals Himsel by concealing Himself.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Concealing is Revealing

[Anonymous No.12277872]

>>12277854
>I’m content with always being aware of the fact that my opinions are completely subjective and could be changed in a week
Don’t do pride, kids.

[Anonymous No.12277876]

>>12275261
Any god, it really doesn't matter. Just live for some kind of higher, immaterial thing. The point is that people need to live for something other than consumerism.

[Anonymous No.12277905]

>>12277854
>I find true happiness whenever I do whatever I want
No you don't.

[Anonymous No.12277915]

>>12277728
>>12277720

This.

[Anonymous No.12277918]

>>12277806
>There’s no reason to support your anti-God, though.
of course there isn't, that's the point.
>I can’t say it has zero possibility, but it’s a bit dishonest to say it has the same probability as Christianity.
as far as i am concerned, the existence of anti-god is just as feasible as the existence of god.
>why doesn’t this God want people to believe?
he created all the religions to test us. everyone who is weak minded to believe such obvious falsehoods are sent to hell. easy.
>Second, if people do believe, then wouldn’t God be punishing them for being correct?
they aren't correct. they do not believe in the true god. it doesn't really matter, seeing as how he's god and he can do whatever he wants.
>There’s just no logical basis for this type of God.
why could a god not admire skepticism and incredulity? is this beyond the nature of an infinite being to decide the favor these behaviors?

[Anonymous No.12277924]

>>12277872
>>12277905
Being this close minded!!
But I was where you are once too.

[Anonymous No.12277954]

>>12277872
>I'm going to make a flawed argument about the things you said because I'm to lazy to do something else
Me adult and smart, you kid and dumb

>>12277905
>...according to my own system of beliefs
Yes I do

>>12277924
I'm parodying and Anonymous person on the internet!!
This is a convincing Dunning–Kruger sentence

[Anonymous No.12277976]

>>12277918
This God is far too arbitrary, even human-like, in his conscious decision-making. And what’s worse, it really doesn’t make that much sense. What is this God’s plan for the universe, if any? Is our only purpose as humans to be tested for our intelligence? How would that benefit God whatsoever?

[Anonymous No.12277977]

>>12277854
>literally a living fedora

[Anonymous No.12277983]

>>12277854
Why can’t atheists type without using quotation marks around words all the time?

[Anonymous No.12277989]

>>12277854
Hedonism is destructive and temporary pleasure. True pleasure arises from being able to see past these little pleasures of the body & ego.

[Anonymous No.12277995]

>>12277989
Material concepts of what should be versus that actual experience.

The latter is far superior.

[Anonymous No.12278001]

>>12277989
"being able to see past these little pleasures of the body & ego" and atheism aren't mutually exclusive. It's not theism v hedonism. Check out Alan Watts, or the stoics.

[Anonymous No.12278007]

>>12277983
why can't theists resist ad hominem

[Anonymous No.12278010]

>>12278007
Just take the hint and stop typing like a stereotypical atheist. It only makes you look worse. You’re welcome

[Anonymous No.12278014]

>>12277977
>you do suffer from Dunning-Kruger, therefore I'm right

>>12277983
I'm assuming and nitpicking things, watch me

>>12277989
Hedonism is far from my own system of beliefs

[Anonymous No.12278028]

>>12278001
>stoics
Ah yes, who wouldn’t enjoy deriving pleasure from nothing but the fact that you’re patiently enduring the absence of pleasures and any real purpose in your life? Nietzsche BTFO the stoics hard, but I’m sure you’ve read that long paragraph already right? Well, here’s Pascal:

>The Stoics say, " Retire within yourselves; it is there you will find your rest." And that is not true. Others say, "Go out of yourselves; seek happiness in amusement." And this is not true. Illness comes. Happiness is neither without us nor within us. It is in God, both without us and within us.

Stoicism as a general practice isn’t that bad, but it’s a horrible, nihilistic philosophy to live by. Any intelligent person already practices stoic principles without knowing what Stoicism is.

[Anonymous No.12278056]

>>12278028
>Ah yes, who wouldn’t enjoy deriving pleasure from nothing but the fact that you’re patiently enduring the absence of pleasures and any real purpose in your life?

This strikes me as from someone who hasn't studied the stoics at all. As in not even a wiki article. As in you're just guessing what it is. What have you read? I'm not being condescending I think you should read up to sharpen your own arguments.

>Nietzsche BTFO the stoics hard

Sincerely. For your own sake, try not to sound like you're 15 years old.

>The Stoics say, " Retire within yourselves; it is there you will find your rest." And that is not true. Others say, "Go out of yourselves; seek happiness in amusement." And this is not true. Illness comes. Happiness is neither without us nor within us. It is in God, both without us and within us.

This doesn't even try to be an argument, it's clearly an opinion.

I can't emphasize enough how it's important to read up on philosophies, opinions by people (no not 4chan) throughout the centuries that disagree with you. If it doesn't change your opinion it will in the least make you more informed and stronger rhetorically.

[Anonymous No.12278070]

>>12278028
>Stoicism as a general practice isn’t that bad, but it’s a horrible, nihilistic philosophy to live by. Any intelligent person already practices stoic principles without knowing what Stoicism is.

Except Epicureans.

>This doesn't even try to be an argument, it's clearly an opinion.

Makes sense to me.

[Anonymous No.12278084]

>>12278070
>Makes sense to me.
That's good. No seriously, if it makes you happy follow it.

[Anonymous No.12278136]

>>12278056
>This strikes me as from someone who hasn't studied the stoics at all
I read Meditations in HS and read a lot of Epictetus and Seneca quotes. I was big on this stuff for a month or so believe it or not.
How do Stoics derive meaning or pleasure in any form? Serious question. It seems like all they care about is avoiding negative emotions. But how to seek the good? How to avoid indifference? How to have purpose? Well, the Stocks must have really practiced their indifference, because they don’t care to answer these questions

[Anonymous No.12278144]

>>12278136
And posting it just in case no one here has read it:

You desire to LIVE "according to Nature"? Oh, you noble Stoics, what fraud of words! Imagine to yourselves a being like Nature, boundlessly extravagant, boundlessly indifferent, without purpose or consideration, without pity or justice, at once fruitful and barren and uncertain: imagine to yourselves INDIFFERENCE as a power--how COULD you live in accordance with such indifference? To live--is not that just endeavoring to be otherwise than this Nature? Is not living valuing, preferring, being unjust, being limited, endeavouring to be different? And granted that your imperative, "living according to Nature," means actually the same as "living according to life"--how could you do DIFFERENTLY? Why should you make a principle out of what you yourselves are, and must be? In reality, however, it is quite otherwise with you: while you pretend to read with rapture the canon of your law in Nature, you want something quite the contrary, you extraordinary stage-players and self-deluders! In your pride you wish to dictate your morals and ideals to Nature, to Nature herself, and to incorporate them therein; you insist that it shall be Nature "according to the Stoa," and would like everything to be made after your own image, as a vast, eternal glorification and generalism of Stoicism! With all your love for truth, you have forced yourselves so long, so persistently, and with such hypnotic rigidity to see Nature FALSELY, that is to say, Stoically, that you are no longer able to see it otherwise-- and to crown all, some unfathomable superciliousness gives you the Bedlamite hope that BECAUSE you are able to tyrannize over yourselves--Stoicism is self-tyranny--Nature will also allow herself to be tyrannized over: is not the Stoic a PART of Nature? . . . But this is an old and everlasting story: what happened in old times with the Stoics still happens today, as soon as ever a philosophy begins to believe in itself. It always creates the world in its own image; it cannot do otherwise; philosophy is this tyrannical impulse itself, the most spiritual Will to Power, the will to "creation of the world," the will to the causa prima.

[Anonymous No.12278163]

>>12278144
The only thing I don't like about philosophy books is that they seem really rambly sometimes. Very hard to isolate specific teachings and then internalize. (for me)

>>12278136
I could understand why you feel that they do everything to avoid negative emotions. If you detach completely then nothing external can harm you in an emotional level. If you transcend spiritually, then nothing external can harm you physically either. (When it comes to the actual experiencing of pain that is.)

[Anonymous No.12278224]

>>12278163
>you detach completely then nothing external can harm you in an emotional level.
Yes, but what’s the point? It just sounds like an inverted hedonism. It’s so empty and tasteless, like Buddhism and Alan Watts.

[Anonymous No.12278356]

>>12278224
I hope you're operating on a really deep level of irony right now.

[Anonymous No.12278362]

>>12277915
>Casually brings this back to the bottom.

Because well-thought-out ideology.

[Anonymous No.12278412]

>>12278356
I’m on a deep level of sincerity. Stoicism and Buddhism are basically the same thing, but Christianity accomplishes what both try to do while having culture, history, symbolism, theology, and faith

[Anonymous No.12278433]

>>12278412
Whilst I agree with your first half. I must say that the second half of your claim about Christianity is quite bold.

Granted where you're from may be different than where I'm from, but most of my exposure to Christianity is lost in materialism, hypocrisy, and often times douchebaggery.

I still like Jesus's teachings on a personal level, but on a religious level, I find they idolize him and lost touch with that which he actually taught.

(For instance, not practicing forgiveness themselves but rather just pointing towards Jesus forgiving for them.) There's literally no point in that other than just continuing down a path of insanity & sin, using God's child as an excuse and justification.

Personally, I realize that Jesus is within, a part of me. So is Krshna & Buddha. I also am in touch with my mystical roots, which many are not. Which stoicism paved the war towards.

Lol, the occult. (Druidism) Heard the Romans did not like those guys!

[Anonymous No.12278455]

>>12278014
>Dunning-Kruger
Not him, but you have to go back

[Anonymous No.12278469]

>>12277854
I hope you come to realize just how insubstantial your position is and that it simply cannot hold up to philosophical scrutiny, and I hope that you examine these questions further.

[Anonymous No.12278477]

>>12278469
>Projecting

[Anonymous No.12278552]

>>12278433
You seem to be judging Christianity by its followers. This is like saying Islam is peaceful because of its peaceful followers, of that Islam is violent because of terrorists. Look at the holy book to judge the religion, not the people who may not live up to it.

[Anonymous No.12278559]

>>12278552

[Anonymous No.12278609]

>>12278552
You have a point.

I'm terrified to read the Koran though. I hope there's a successful thread about it one day that I don't miss.

[Anonymous No.12278614]

>>12278609
Why are you terrified?

[Anonymous No.12278618]

>>12278609
>I hope there's a successful thread about it one day that I don't miss.
This is your problem right here

[Anonymous No.12278635]

>>12278614
Anger Issues. Bias against mainstream culture.

/leftypol/

[Anonymous No.12278660]

>>12277915

[Anonymous No.12278698]

>>12278618
Hah!
>>12276304
Succesful 9 hour old thread! Imagine that!

[Anonymous No.12278803]

>>12275239
I used to think otherwise but I've come to realize that this is true

[Anonymous No.12278833]

>>12275239
It's not necessary that a god be the only thing that you can set as the meaning of your life. Any set of ethics that nourish the inner soul like religion is sufficient. God and religion satisfy spiritual needs. If you can satisfy those other needs without god, by yourself, then you can be perfectly happy in this godless world. It's difficult to do that by yourself though.

[Anonymous No.12278851]

>>12275239
Instead of devoting your life to a fictional character, find meaning in yourself by getting to know yourself, that's how you find happiness

[Anonymous No.12278915]

God is dead and no one cares.
If there is a hell I'll see you there.

[Anonymous No.12278971]

>>12275239
I cannot prove it to you.
Yoy have to believe.

[Anonymous No.12279003]

>>12278915
OP here, I accept this statement