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[Anonymous No.12255600]

Philosophy in university is obnoxiously easy. My last phil exam is tomorrow, I have barely gone to one third of the class this term and studied for maybe 5 hours yet I will still get at least a 3.0 on the exam.
Unfortunately, I still have the overwhelming feeling that I am completely wasting my money. As my ambitions to learn have gone down I find myself regretting not majoring in STEM or business and being equally miserable in luxury.

[Anonymous No.12255613]

>>12255600
>studied for maybe 5 hours yet I will still get at least a 3.0 on the exam
hardly impressive
besides, undergrad is easy regardless of your major - especially so when you go to a shit school, as you probably do

[Anonymous No.12255616]

>well on his way to graduating with a degree
>sad about it
fuck off

[Anonymous No.12255633]

>>12255613

Top 3 Canadian school my man. Although I will admit I bombed my logic exam because I slacked off near the end of the course.

[Anonymous No.12255637]

Its because you obviously go to a shit uni

[Anonymous No.12255641]

>>12255600
>doesn’t go to classes
>doesn’t study
>i feel like I’m wasting my money
no shit. You can bullshit your way through any degree with minimal effort. I’m doing so with a 4.0 in EE, however there’s a difference between understanding something and getting good grades.

I’m wasting money by reading philosophy and not my engineering texts in spite of great grades

[Anonymous No.12255644]

>>12255633

>trying to impress people on a hentai forum

[Anonymous No.12255646]

>>12255637
Warwick

[Anonymous No.12255648]

>>12255600
Philosophy at my school (Berkeley) feels as though any retard can get a B-, average gets a B, smart but not that smart gets B+, smart gets A-, very smart gets A, and graduate school prospects get A+.

[Anonymous No.12255651]

i hope mommy and daddy are paying for your degree, or that this is just bait

[Anonymous No.12255655]

>>12255633
if it's not uoft then who the fuck cares, even then it's not something to be overly proud of
i'd know, i go there

[Anonymous No.12255660]

>>12255600
The problem with STEM is that unless you're incredibly gifted with access to amphetamines and a boundless work ethic you're essentially relegated to grunt work for the true innovators.

So either you need to be enamoured with what you're studying in the same capacity as someone who majors in Phil/English Lit to the point where it's fulfilling on an individual level or you need to be a one in a million genius. Don't be fooled by the STEM meme, a middling STEM major who took it for the job stability is much more miserable than a middling Humanities major. Just go full nihilist and study business at that point.

[Anonymous No.12255661]

>>12255648
Anon you're probably in one of my classes imao. Fuck this school though

[Anonymous No.12255668]

>>12255600

>"my" money

This meme needs to die. While time and emotional/mental energy are involved, the money involved in getting first-worlders to college is mostly not theirs, up-front at least. It is instead the money of their parents, their government, the tax base in that country. I ultimately did something like 5-10% of my own tuition by the sweat of my brow but I won't pretend that the whole thing was "my" money, because I'm smart.

[Anonymous No.12255678]

>>12255661
Love the classes and campus. Most students are chill. It's just the shrieking liberal subculture and the cult of diversity that sucks in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.12255735]

>>12255660
>this level of cope

[Anonymous No.12255792]

>>12255660
But isn’t this true for literally every field of study/work. Unless you have passion and gift, you can’t amount to anything in Art, Business or Science. The only exception is through nepotism or privileged (as in buying your way to “success”).

[Anonymous No.12255807]

>>12255735
>>12255792
I feel a profound sense of personal fulfillment when I read stuff like Kierkegaard and Deleuze outside of career advancement or monetary compensation. Reading them isn't just for accomplishing something but for reframing how I approach life. I'm sure there are some that get the same experience from advanced set theory or non-euclidean geometry, but for me philosophy and literature are a much more direct. OP's lament that he may as well have studied STEM for the job stability is a moot point because odds are he wouldn't be studying STEM for the joy of it, but for some kind of compensation.

[Anonymous No.12255954]

>>12255807
>this jumbled mess of poor rationalizations and non-sequiturs
>feeling fulfillment from consuming something
No wonder serving coffee is all you're good for, profound Deleuzian scholar.

[Anonymous No.12255956]

>>12255600

of course you're wasting your money if you're paying for college philosophy wtf? philosophy is like a side class you take to supplement other careers. philo is pretty important for doctors or even some branches of comp sci. if you major in philosophy you're throwing your money and 4 years of your life into a big fat fucking dumpster fire.

[Anonymous No.12255969]

>>12255668
You are required to pay back the loans if you are in the UK and USA, probably other countries. Also you don't seem very smart if you are so naive that you don't realised you are getting used by the system like a little bitch

[Anonymous No.12255976]

>>12255956
Wrong and ignorant.

[Anonymous No.12255993]

>>12255976

every society needs different layers i guess, some are just destined for more important things. piss away 4 years pretending ur getting really smart while your parents embarrassingly tell their friends "y-yeah well... steve went into uh... accounting... yeah... his degree isnt entirely worthless h-haha..."

[Anonymous No.12256006]

>>12255993
Philosophy degrees are great for getting into graduate programs in a variety of disciplines, especially law.

[Anonymous No.12256024]

>>12255993
>brainlet can't conceive of career ambitions with requirements beyond undergrad
How is that community college Software Engineering degree going, really smart worthybro?

[Anonymous No.12256028]

>>12256006

ya op just go to law school, that's the only way to make sure your degree is worth the paper it's printed on

>ishygddt

[Anonymous No.12256030]

>>12255633
Hahaha a 3.0 on a Phil exam and bombing logic. Yeah bro philosophy is super easy and you sound like a genius. Have the profs offered you tenure yet?

[Anonymous No.12256031]

>>12255600
>overwhelming feeling that I am completely wasting my money
That's not because of your major but because of your lackluster attitude, you moron. You could have majored in engineering and slacked off and graduated with a more financially reliable degree, granted, but you could still have a very promising philosophy degree if you actually stood out in your class. What year are you in? Fix it now. Work really, really hard and stand out. I shouldn't even have to tell you this if I'm meant to expect of philosophy students that they have a genuine and natural passions for philosophy. If you really can't be bothered even going to class, save your money and time and switch to engineering as soon as possible (assuming you aren't in your final year or something, in which case you made your bed so lie in it).

t. philosophy grad student

[Anonymous No.12256037]

>>12256028
>Purposefully misconstruing the argument.

[Anonymous No.12256039]

>>12256031

>t. philsophy grad student

"future welfare recipient"

[Anonymous No.12256047]

>>12255600
Philosophy shouldn't be more than a hobby unless you're extremly extroverted and plan on becoming a talking head for the people.

[Anonymous No.12256049]

>>12256031
>very promising philosophy degree
Promising what? Becoming a phil grad student and spending your days shitposting on anime forums?

[Anonymous No.12256050]

>>12256039
Did you learn that embarrassingly compensatory comeback during your 7th semester at community college?

[Anonymous No.12256055]

>>12256031

Not OP

What are ways to stand out as a philosophy major?

Is it necessary to talk to professors as much as possible or could you work your way into a graduate program simply by pumping out top-tier essays

[Anonymous No.12256072]

>>12256037

>"philosophy lets you get into useful fields"

okay but its still worthless

>>12256050

"community college bad" says man whom will default on his student loan. when the collectors come-a-knocking, be sure to explain to them the merits of existentialism and hope they will be good enough ppl to give you an extension til next year. score one for the good guys! (anyone else read nietzsche btw???)

[Anonymous No.12256073]

>>12256049
While I'm a grad student? Sure, I shitpost. But I intend to work in academia. It's a long shot since academia is brutal and philosophy academia even more so, but I don't find value in much else. I actually started undergrad as a CS major and quickly realized I'd be very depressed in the long-term if I persisted with it. I also took a two year hiatus between undergrad and grad school to work in a business and that also left a negative impression on me. That's not to say I won't return to it if academia doesn't work out (a man's gotta eat) but academia is my number one priority.

n.b. If I could do this all over again, I might double major with a STEM and philosophy degree. I'd never not take philosophy, though, and I don't regret ever having done so. This is the attitude I want OP to find, provided he still has time to turn things around.

[Anonymous No.12256074]

>philosophy is useless
>define useless
OWNED

[Anonymous No.12256081]

>>12256072
I got my undergrad degree in philosophy at UC Berkeley for free. I work in healthcare and took home 152k last year. I'm doing just fine, buddy.

[Anonymous No.12256083]

>>12256081
>philosophy degree
>high paying unspecified health care degree
>bragging about earnings
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I WONDER WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING HMMMMMMMMMMM? HEHE

[Anonymous No.12256098]

>>12256055
In my experience, you don't need to have great relationships with professors (in undergrad) but don't shy away from opportunities either. I'm an introvert so I regret a lot of what I didn't do in undergrad but sufficed to say the most important aspect is how hard you work. Your classes are going to be filled with people who barely do the work so standing out isn't hard to do. Read more than you need to (and make sure to ask your professors for those extra reading when you can), answer most of the questions in class, and actually start your papers long before most other people in the course start them. A good clue that your professor recognizes your potential is when they look at you most of the time when they're explaining things to the class. For example, I've had courses where the professor would ask a question in class and wait for someone to answer it and then literally say out loud "or should I ask anon?" That's a good sign and that's what I mean by standing out. Also, if you can join any philosophy student societies organized by your department, do so.

[Anonymous No.12256101]

>>12256081

"for free"

EPIC underprivileged youth win! based affirmative action! i'm glad my tax money went straight into the garbage!

>I work in healthcare
>took home 152k last year
>useless degree with 0 merit anywhere

o-okay anon-chan lol

[Anonymous No.12256104]

>>12256083
>Accusing someone of having debt collectors at their door.
>Gets butthurt when it turns out that person is financially successful.

Your projection is showing.

[Anonymous No.12256106]

>>12256101
Taking care of sick children is useless? Ok. Also I'm a white hetero male. You guys are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12256118]

>>12256106

o0o0o0ohHhHhHh now the hero of our story takes care of sick children! semper fi bro, thank u for ur service to our country. dont worry, when i see you clanking a metal can with a sign that says "PLZ HELP" around your neck, i'll be sure to pass you a dime or two. just don't use it on any intoxicating substances...

[Anonymous No.12256119]

>>12256098
imagine being this much of a bootlicking faggot
i'd rather be a homeless cretin than a spineless mess

[Anonymous No.12256133]

>>12256119
Why are you upset?

[Anonymous No.12256141]

>>12256119
>Working hard and caring about what you study is being a bootlicking faggot

[Anonymous No.12256155]

>>12256141

>paying for an education equal to 10 hours of skimming wikipedia and listening to other pretentious morons gibber-gabber about literally nothing

[Anonymous No.12256160]

>>12256133
>>12256141
>samefagging
>l-lol u mad bro
seems your spineless nature transcends purely academia

[Anonymous No.12256170]

>>12256160
Only the first reply was me (the grad student). You're clearly very upset and I hope you find some peace.

[Anonymous No.12256188]

>>12256170
>n-no i didn't samefag
>mad haha
literally beginning grad school next year and i certainly didn't partake in any of the faggotry you talk about. it's called not being a fucking retard and getting decent grades. your worthless, subordinate existence is nothing more than a good laugh

[Anonymous No.12256189]

>>12256031
Where do you go to school my dude? Did they pay you or are you going into debt for it? My undergrad was in Phil and I got accepted into English and Phil grad programs but ended up choosing the former because it offered more money

[Anonymous No.12256197]

>>12256189
AUB (I'm not American). Currently paying for a terminal MA but I've applied for a stipend for next semester. Not a major school but the undergrad program is known for being intensive. Assuming I get in, a PhD program in the States is my intent.

[Anonymous No.12256202]

>>12255633
>bombing in arts
this is how you identify the neaderthal in your cohort

[Anonymous No.12256227]

>>12256104
>philsophy grad student
>took home 152k last year
Can your dad get me some Gameboy cartridges for free?

[Anonymous No.12256235]

>>12256227
I did philosophy for undergrad and went to graduate school to become a pediatric advanced practice provider.

[Anonymous No.12256270]

>>12256083
>HMMMMposter
You ruin every thread you’re in
Ruminating out loud isn’t an argument

[Anonymous No.12256315]

>>12256235
>the only reason I'm employed is my grad degree
>philosophy undergrad is totally a great sane choice

[Anonymous No.12256330]

>>12256315
I've been arguing this entire thread that philosophy majors are greatly successful at getting into a wide variety of graduate schools, and that philosophy is conducive to high levels of achievement once enrolled in these programs. Who the fuck is content with a bachelor's degree?

[Anonymous No.12256351]

>>12255641
What school?

[Anonymous No.12256355]

>>12255641
>4.0 in electrical engineering despite not working on the coursework
Totally man good for you that’s wicked you sound wicked smaht

[Anonymous No.12256359]

>>12256330
>I've been arguing
No, you just stated thing without any substantiation. And no, philosophy majors have no advantage over others when it comes to grad school. If anything the generalistic nature of received knowledge completely divorced from any real world application only puts an apt student at a disadvantage compared to almost any other degree.
>Who the fuck is content with a bachelor's degree?
People who decided to be trained in practically useful skills from the get go, puffed up pseud.

[Anonymous No.12256366]

>>12256359
Not the dude you’re arguing with but it’s amusing to watch you enviously seethe. You just know deep down that these dudes with advanced degrees in the subjects you pretend to know about are way more intelligent, well-read and motivated to succeed than you are, and you need to lash out against your comparative impotence by denigrating their achievements. Top tier resentment my dude, I love it.

[Anonymous No.12256375]

>>12256366
>all these wasted letters and words
>umad and bad

[Anonymous No.12256379]

>>12256375
“Hamlet”
>fuk u uncle and life sad
Just because you can reduce everything to nothing in ironic speech doesn’t mean everything is nothing

[Anonymous No.12256382]

>>12256359

You are not an educated person if you degrade your undergraduate degree to mere technical training. Nor are you all that highly trained. All undergaduate degrees are general. No matter what field you work in, you are only skimming the surface with a four year degree. Graduate school is for specialization and technical training.

[Anonymous No.12256392]

>>12256359

[Anonymous No.12256397]

>>12256379
"Brainlet"
>arguing against your own strawmen instead of addressing criticism
Your post is literally "your are envious and dumb and unsuccessful and resentful", i.e. nothing but ad hominem. Go be a booty bothered pseud elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.12256405]

>>12255600
You shall obtain from your studies in accordance to How much You put in them. Nothing.

[Anonymous No.12256407]

>>12256397
The dude you’re arguing against has made every argument I would have made point by point. I’m just checking in after having read through the argument to let you know that I see nearly everything you said as having been born out of envy and resentment

[Anonymous No.12256410]

>>12256118
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.12256437]

>>12256382
I'm not degrading anything and your word games are not as impressive as you seem to think. No, all undergrad degrees are not general. Most of them impart just enough practical skills along with theory to qualify one for a job in the field. Philosophy is among the few that do not. Your whole line of thinking is nothing but silly post-rationalization of your entirely subjectively motivated choice.
>>12256407
>well uh yeah i just wanted to say urmad and seething lmao
Dressing up your autism in nice verbiage doesn't improve it, bubbaleh.

[Anonymous No.12256457]

>>12256098

Thanks very much. All of what you said is basically what I had in mind. I have the right mindset for distinguishing myself, all I have to do now is act and overcome my tendency to present as introverted and reserved.

although, my uni's ONLY philosophy association is genuinely shit and unworthy of the title

[Anonymous No.12256460]

>>12256437
You've convinced me, anon. My degree is worthless. I concede defeat.

[Anonymous No.12256467]

The only intelligent people are at STEM as in you can be studying STEM and learn Humanities on the side, but you can't be studying Humanities and learn STEM on the side.

[Anonymous No.12256469]

>>12256467
False. I majored in philosophy while fulfilling all my prereqs for medical school on the side.

[Anonymous No.12256470]

>>12256457
Don't worry too much about the standing of your program. A couple other people in here mentioned how places like Berkeley are also easy. Concentrate on absolutely standing out and your professors will talk to the big boys for you (via your letters of recommendation).

[Anonymous No.12256475]

>>12256460
Never argued it was worthless. You're quite bad at debating for someone with a philosophy degree.

[Anonymous No.12256481]

>>12256469
>fulfilling medschool prereqs is a sign of intelligence

[Anonymous No.12256489]

>>12256481
The point was that you can focus on humanities while completing science and math courses on the side.

[Anonymous No.12256502]

>>12256489
You can't. Your taking a semester of babby intro to calc, bio, chem and physics courses is incomparable to majoring in any of those disciplines.

[Anonymous No.12256520]

>>12256467
Medicine, unless you go the PhD and exclusive research pathway, is not STEM but just memorization. Most clinicians I've known are literal brainlets without any shred of critical thinking, the smartest ones are more into the Humanities camp.

[Anonymous No.12256524]

>>12256520
Sorry, meant for >>12256469

[Anonymous No.12256535]

>>12256502
It's 4 chemistry classes, 2 physics classes, 2 calculus classes, and 2 biology classes. At the general level, not the intro level. I'm not equating medical school prereqs with the courses a chemistry or physics major takes. I'm simply saying you can do enough stem to get into medical school while getting a degree in the humanities.

[Anonymous No.12256547]

>>12256535
>At the general level, not the intro level.
They all literally are freshman classes.
>I'm simply saying you can do enough stem to get into medical school while getting a degree in the humanities.
And I'm simply saying this isn't even remotely comparable to effort required in actual good science/engineering program, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.12256553]

>>12256547
Did you miss the spot where I say
>I'm not equating medical school prereqs with the courses a chemistry or physics major takes.

You're trying to read too fast, anon. Slow it down and work on your comprehension.

[Anonymous No.12256555]

>>12256547
Organic chemistry, at least where I'm from, is a sophomore class. And biochemistry, increasingly required by many medical schools, is an upper division class for juniors and seniors. Just so you know.

[Anonymous No.12256591]

>>12256555
>>12256475
>>12256460
>>12256397

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=0h0m0s&v=gVEdQJ7qtJw